Topic: Bitcointalk mixer ban, Altcointalk is active in that scope. (Read 1058 times)

Absolutely right, there are certain risks because of this. For example, there are quite a few semi-documentary programs of journalists on youtube about leaks of personal data and how ordinary citizens suffer from this. For many years, for example, there was a very urgent problem when a person was issued a loan from a bank or a microfinance organization, and a person might not know this.

The most interesting thing is that in order to combat this problem, they did not deal with data leaks. It's just that over time, most of the organizations that issue loans stopped doing this without any explicit consent from the client himself.
And from March 1, 2025, according to the law, anyone will be able to come to any bank and write a statement stating that it is prohibited to apply for a loan. Well, so that no one else gets a loan without his consent somehow 

That's very funny. Laws are words written on paper, what matters the most, is, how they are enforced. Germany has one of the best employment law but do you really believe that workers' rights are so protected? Just visit warehouses in Germany or ask any amazon delivery guy, they are all exploited. Many companies in Germany, even the most famous ones, do many shady things to save money on workforce. Don't expect that BRICS laws will be enforced as they are written. In Russia, piracy of games, movies, softwares and so on in absolutely legal. Professional studios run pirate movie websites.

Don't get fooled and don't trust BRICS data protection laws. What's written is absolutely different from what's enforced.

I'm nit-picking here but wouldn't that mean you're almost always in danger and not in almost no danger?

With politics in Russia, I really don't believe that their government and related agencies have respect to handle their citizen personal data carefully and secretly. They can get such data any time, leak it any time or destroy it too. I even don't need your example to know that things for privacy are bad in Russia.

Citizens are not bad but the government is bad and they cause a lot of big problem for their citizens.

Do you have any information source and link to share, to prove that it is true?

What countries do you mean? Because in Russia you are in almost no danger for leaking data. For example:
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5492583

For reference: 60 000 rubles at that time was approximately equivalent to $1000.

In Russia, on the contrary, there are big problems with this. Almost any person's data is already on the darknet

1- strength is not in centralisation, the more bitcointalks the better
2- the more exchanges the better
3- A lot of new forums have came and went, who knows maybe altt will disappear one day, maybe not ... maybe it will grow ... who knows!
4- Links to btt were blocked because some users just spammed their link to the original btt campaign back in 2017-2018, it is no longer the case :
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=312821.0
5- Admin on altt does not have a paid for signature, nor operate any account that have a paid signature.
6- Btt is part of history, nothing can change that, but the defiance have long been lost, it has been replaced with yachts and mansions and compliance.
7- The soldier does not know the importance or not of his sacrifice, but the general surely does.  Bitcoin need altcoins as altcoins need bitcoin.

Oh c'mon look here, almost everyone is wearing signatures in this thread, and every single one's response is worth to read. People are earning money, forum is getting traffic, projects are getting visibility — when everyone is getting what they want why should one shoot in the foot by banning signatures?

Congrats to altcointalk, but Bitcointalk will remain on throne as in Bitcoin and altcoins.

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Teleporting thing was announced long before in 2020, it was posted here as well. Seems to be manual process, and no sensitive info is shared.

It is an individual opinion, In as much as the member is active here and continues his/her quality contributions to the forum, I see no wrong in being a member here and also joining the Altcointalk forum, it bases on the individual's availability of time and effort to contribute in both platforms. If they can do it, fine, but I think it will take some members teleporting to the platform time to adapt to the Altcointalk platform because it may lack some features available here on the platform that makes posting easy.

I have heard of this teleporting of a thing and I must say that it is a serious concern as to how this is possible and for what reason. Is it for the M!xer's money?

Regardless, the forum that will be like BTCt must do a whole lot, and if it eventually happens, then good luck, after all, a signature campaign for example has the BTCt as its pioneer and any competition is always welcome. But one sure thing is that it is these people here who can give the altcoin forum that needs relevance, but with time, one will still realize that this place is better.

No matter what, many people would want to remain here and some people will have their double standard on the two forums as well. This means that the population of BTCt will remain and keep growing while some few people will only deviate to the other. Let's wait and see till the end of next year.

Post quality had gone low much earlier and the Merit system was brought in for that. It has improved post quality after enforcement but it has its own nuances. Banning signature campaigns is something theymos will not do - because the point has been brought up many times and admin knows that the maximum source of traffic on this forum is from campaigns.

I can only imagine some users running on campaign on this forum and another on another forum. I can only make time for one so hats off to those people and I appreciate the hard work on their side.

Its a personal decision whether to move to a different site just because they are allowing signatures and we should let people have that liberty to take such decisions.

It is only ban on mixer signature campaigns and mixer announcement threads on the forum.

Signature campaigns from non mixer companies will be allowed.

theymos even can do more, ban all signatures and signature campaigns if he sees post quality is very low because of signature campaigns.

I went ahead and created my account on that platform in 2021. There are a few users from this forum who are legends here and on that forum. That doesn't mean that forum was buzzing with activities.

BTT is better than the other forum being discussed in this thread. There are certain regulations and a few user based investigation that make the forum more suitable to generate quality content.

Above all it is not right to question BTT only because a certain signature campaign is getting banned next year by OP. Atleast Theymos preferred the existence of forum first than a signature campaign.

For some of us it might be stooping to the US, while it is for me is nothing but a phase that will pass on in the future. As it is not possible for the government to stop what is meant to happen in the future.

Rome wasn't built in a day; The forum got less spammy after the introduction of the merit system, while activity on BTT skyrocketed after the introduction of the signature campaign. Prior to these two developments, life was a living horror here . ATL forum might experience this same or not


The BTT domain has been banned in Russia and other parts of the world for quite some time, but we still have them here via VPN. U.S citizens could do the same.

@op, it's important you know that altcoinstalks have been in existence as far as 2018 of earlier, the only thing was and still is that, they do not drive the kind of traffic bitcointalk drives, the altcointalk forum have been pretty active, just that it can't be compared to bitcointalk, there have been times some managers tried running signature campaign over there, but later left due to lack of enough activity.

It is true to say that, signature campaign is among the force that has been keeping this forum pretty active, but understand that, if for whatever reason, signature campaign is totally scrapped from this forum, true that many will become inactive here and active where the signature campaigns have moved to, but then, rest assured that this forum can never abandoned, those who will continue to be active here will still be active even in the absences of signature ad campaign.

And for the record, I do not know about others, but I myself am here to learn, and as well teach, and nothing is wrong earning a few dollars while learning, in your office where you work, you learn a new thing everything, and you still get paid salary at the end of the month, it's same thing here.

Its only Mixer campaigns which are getting banned, its a decision which has been made,
its not a requirement "yet", its like a preemptive decision in order to preserve the forum as
an entity. Here is the first paragraph from the announcement.


As regards the altcointalk forum and people switching their activity to that maybe
these scenarios will happen:

a.) Only a minority will move their activity and there wont be a "brain drain" to affect BCT
because most of the top quality posters will remain here.

b.) Because of point a. above those who initially move to ACT will eventually migrate back
to BCT because this is where the vast majority of active members and general chat will remain.

2024 will be an interesting year nonetheless.  I wonder how things will change for Bitcoin Talk and particularly Altcoin Talk.  They are getting a lot more activity now but I wonder if authorities will do anything about either of them.

I can imagine most Bitcoin Talk users will only create an account there for the Signature Campaigns which barely pay any thing anyway.  There is a lot more activity but not much at all compared to how active Bitcoin Talk is, which means you either earn little to nothing or you spam Altcoin Talk to reach maximum post quota.

Even if Altcoin Talk is hosted outside of The United States, I think their domain can get banned in the United States and even Europe.  If this ever happens it means there is a clear crack down on Mixers.  At least we can now see some body else risking it so we can see if there will be any consequence in the end at all.

I believe it is and this could be the breakthrough I wonder if this is still enforced and if many are aware of this especially those who are teleported checking Altcoin talk they already have a large banner advertising on their homepage

I'm not sure why the Satoshi old forum moved to the US server, and with all the shady limitations and legislation in the US, theymos never considered shifting the server location to somewhere much safer. I admire the admin of the ATL forum and his dedication to data security.


It's work in progress, alot of reshuffling is currently going on and sooner or later BTT will have a serious competition

I don't know why theymos can't change the hosting location. It's not a very hard job at all.

It must be a heaven for the gamblers.

Altcointalk discussion activity is very low and most activitiy is probably originating from new signature campaigns now. Maybe new activity will reviwe Altcointalk.
Where I agree to you: internet has many forums for different topics and Altcoin discussion might be attractive opposed to Bitcoin discussion.

Probably because you have different preference. It’s a forum dedicated for altcoins so it’s obvious that they will have many sections since altcoins has a vast scope compared to Bitcoin.

I agree that Altcointalk forum is kinda messy when you compared it to Bitcointalk because this forum is made plain and simple but there’s always a room for improvement to correct the flaws especially now that there’s some user that teleported in there. I don’t see it as a competitor but rather just a different forum dedicated for altcoin since altcoin discussion here is too generalized due to lack of section and category while there’s tons of altcoins.

People run after their own interest and people also follow the trend. The people running to Altcoinstalks is not all about money, but to also have a better sit incase the forum will turn into a major force in the future.

People will still be here. The only scenario here will be deserted is when the domain is no longer accessible. If signature campaign is banned, the traffic cannot reduce more than 60©

Someone who invited me here so my quality posts in facebook, and told me he will introduce me to a forum where I will be paid for posting. But when I joined this forum, I fell inlove with the knowledge acquired here. Infact, I became a full member with very high merits but refused to join signature untill I learnt alot. Learning, teaching and earning is the best formula
It's a goodnews, it's always good to have an alternative.

Altcointalk is completely messed up site.
Horrible structure,
Many sections and arrangement of sections don't make sense,
To many sections,
Sections about each shit coin,
Needless explanation texts as default setting,
Ads everywhere. Altcointalk looks like Las Vegas.

Weekly payment of less than half of what was paid here, don't forget. The only way I see a significant amount of traffic going to that forum is if the payments on this one are reduced and/or on that forum increased. At first some people might even combine accounts on both forums, which would be like having your main account and an alt account but without having to build it up.

There's going to be a positive effect, the teleport feature that the altcoin talk team implemented a few months ago is a means to improve the content of their platform by giving good posters here incentives to transfer their activity from this forum to their forum and the mixing ban here is some sort of blessing in disguise for Altcoinstalk.
Maybe this is the opportunity they need to be competitive, they already have their token as incentives but a weekly payout from mixing campaigns is what will make Altcointalk a desirable place for forum content creators.

Admins seem to get preferential treatment in signature campaigns on that forum. There is obviously some quid pro quo going on — it's not that they are doing it for free speech or some other virtuous reason. They have a right to run their forum however they please but it wouldn't come as any surprise if their domain got seized eventually. Participants should be aware that by using centralized services there may come a point where their BTC is considered tainted and will be questioned as to the source of their funds.

While having alternatives to Bitcointalk is a positive thing, altcointalk still needs a lot of improvement in terms of quality. Last time I visited it was full of spam and poorly translated content. Most of their users seem to be from regions lacking in economic opportunities and aren't very fluent in english. It is perhaps not the best place to be advertising a mixer but at this point these services might have to settle with what they can get and hope it turns out favorably.

Bitcointalk forum is not just a regular forum without rules and regulations. There are reasons why the Mixer campaigns was stopped with effect from 1st January, 2024.

The forum is in compliance with regulatory policies and will not want to meddle in affairs that raises concerns. It is not just that the forum is concerned, these projects are using the forum to engage in marketing operations. The forum has done this for its reputation sake and if other forums decides to activate it to keep theirs busy, it's entirely up to them.

one thing is certain, the signature campaign on this forum will never be abolished and even if that happens, there will still be many members who will provide good posts on this forum.


On what basis is your claim, so you say that there is not a single member who comes to this forum with the aim of seeking knowledge, if you go to the WO thread you will find many members who do not join any campaign, they post because they are like it.


There is nothing wrong with this, even though there has been a drastic increase in altcoinstalk visitors, visitors to this forum will not decrease, this forum remains the most complete library for seeking knowledge about Bitcoin and also information about other cryptocurrencies.

That way bound to happen any days. Now that mixers are gone (almost) from bitcointalk, they have to go somewhere to advertise their brand. Hence the alternative altcointalk. And the altcointalk administrator are surely taking this as an opportunity to increase their site traffic. As we know we have a large numbers to campaign participant.

Even if the signature feature is removed, people will keep posting here no matter what. There are many users who doesn't even have any signature added but posting tons of reply everyday. Signature do have a big part in the forums traffic but what I said above is also true.

I'm pretty sure that the Altcointalk admins are very much aware of what's happening here they clearly stated their stand that they will welcome mixers promotion in their forum, this is a welcome development for the mixing industry and for posters, they could only follow Bitcointalk's stance if there at least two or three mixers that become notorious as money launderers so far all the mixing that's going to make a campaign there next year are all doing good and there are no big issues like what happen to Sinbad.
We never know if Altcointalks become the marketing platform of mixers, we'll know that in the first 5 months.

Yeah links are filtered - few years back no user was allowed to post links from altcointalk so I guess it's still on.. vise visa


theymos is also a mod on Reddit 

Pst, sheriff, you realize you are a traitor, right? But yet you keep boasting about being a mod in there and have the audacity to keep posting here. What are you, a double agent?😂

Because what you posted leads to a dead link This is to sustain and verify what you posted, I don't know because I have not posted a link coming from altcoinstalk yet but Bitcointalk may have filtered links coming from Altcointalk I read somewhere on Altcointalks that they are not allowing links coming from Bitcointalk maybe they are doing the same here, we have to verify that.

Lol. I just Googled his true name for the first time and got a lot of results, including images (which I'm not sure are real). He appears to have attended a number of conferences while moderating r/Bitcoin. Everything now makes sense; every decision he made was for his own safety. Fair


What is the difference between what you posted and what I quoted earlier? And, once again, their teleport feature began years ago; I recall teleporting in 2021, while others did in 2020; I'm not sure if the feature was paused, but I'm certain it didn't begin a few months ago.

Your picture is wrongly cut, it's only possible to see tiny part of it.
Where was it announced on Altcointalk?

Here is the screenshot of that, the admin of Altcoinstalk clearly stated his stance on the subject this early this will open a new platform for Mixers.
Altcoinstalk has existed for over 6 years already although their teleport feature was announced many months ago it is just now that many members are taking this opportunity to teleport their account from here to there.

You used to think theymos was the closest thing to satoshi in terms of privacy? That’s a wild statement to make. I don’t think theymos was ever anonymous was he? The first time I googled him I came across his real name in seconds. I don’t think he ever even made an attempt to try and hide or be anonymous. Maybe I’m wrong?

There are many factors that you have to consider when you promote a project. There is a huge reason why companies run signature campaigns on bitcointalk and some of them even pay a premium price to their sig campaign participants.
Bitcointalk is a very popular place to discuss Bitcoin, altcoins, blockchain technologies and every business that is crypto-friendly. That means that Bitcointalk.org has a lot of traffic.
At the same time, bitcointalk.org is a very old website with a very high ranking in search engines. In overall, it's the first cryptocurrency forum in the world with legend members and is a well-established community, bitcointalk has no competitive alternative.

Moving on altcointalks.com doesn't make sense to me. If bitcointalk saw mixers as a threat, then altcointalks should consider that problem. This is simply easy, Bitmixer stopped operation and shut down their own website because saw a threat that if they continued, they would be caught. Many mixers were created after Bitmixer and many ended up very bad. Today we have a different case. Bitcointalk falls in trouble because of mixers but other forums take advantage and call mixers to promote themselves on their forums. If it's trouble for bitcointalk today, it will become trouble for them tomorrow.

This is what the Altcointalk admin said about the data protection law of the forum and if the U.S should come demanding for it.


simple answer No,
because they do not have the right, and i am not a US citizen, nor the server is in the US
there are a 1000 other reason that i will not go into in details.

I also believe the other forum will follow what Bitcointalk did when the traffic is big, take a look with centralized exchange that allow people to trade without KYC e.g. Binance, Kucoin, Bybit etc, now all of them already ask KYC if you want to use the service or withdraw your coins.

I just don't understand why altcoinstalks give a feature to transfer your Bitcointalk account to there, obviously to attract users in this forum, but I feel there's something suspicious which they could take advantage from your data.

IF you're the campaign manager.

I doubt it if people actually leave this forum in favor of the other forum, we all know how multi-accounters work, they would go there to do some  meaningless garbage posting while having an open tab on here, then they can leech off both forums, milking the essence of life out of both forums. The campaign managers should observe that forum and identify who is participating on both sites, we already know a few of them. They shouldn't be allowed here if they are over there getting paid.😉

The user base has been built on the strong foundation that in this forum you can get paid very well for writing. There are people living off this forum in third world countries. And for people from developed countries it is a good extra income. In the few forums I know where you can earn a few bucks, the pay is much lower than in this one. If signatures are totally banned from this one and go elsewhere, most of the userbase will leave.This has been talked about ad nauseam on the forum and I think the general consensus is what I am saying.

Traffic will surely go down but I don't think it won't be as bad since bitcointalk has built its userbase over the years + it ranks well in search results.


Who knows, it could be temporary. I honestly think it's pretty likely that they will start considering following bitcointalk's steps if they get into authorities' radar-- you know, like being mentioned on their website or something.

Well, the thing about this is one thing that had been talked about in the past about the assumption of a global ban on signatures: that the traffic would go elsewhere. In this case, it happens partially, if the mixer campaigns go to shitcointalks.com part of the traffic will go from here to there, but I think not much, because here the remaining campaigns will still pay more. Although it is a warning of what could happen in the future in the face of more restrictions: that more traffic will continue to be lost in favor of other sites.

Casinos are still doing signature campaigns here and I would say that there's a possibility that this can happen but given how active the forum is, it's unlikely that it's going to lose a lot of members, maybe lose some people active on different boards but definitely not going to be in any kind of total disappearance, maybe you're too focused on signature campaigns that you think it's mostly the only reason why people are active here.
No you're not, if the opportunity presented to you to join a campaign here, you would've get into it, don't lie about that. At the least you're honest about that one yourself so yeah. But there's definitely some people here that don't care about signature campaigns, they're only a few so you don't see them a lot and so you think that no one like that exists.

That won't be the case I think, exchanges and crypto casinos are still doing some campaigns here and there's probably projects out there in the future that will use the forum as a platform to promote their services or whatever.

Altcoinstalk is within US jurisdiction based on this data and if there's a warning they can also impose on their forum what Theymos did, it's still up to the administrator how to decide if the mixers promotions start on altcoinstalk but since the site's domain registrar is GoDaddy they are compliant to US terms.

https://altcoinstalks.com.webstatdata.com/

Have you discovered that the altcoinstalks you're talking about is never being active until the campaign managers are taking their awareness job to the platform in other for them to continue with their business, how many people will find it more interesting even after when there's no signature campaign anymore to participate in there, bitcointalk here is a home for all, it's not only about our campaign participation that matters most, we are all bitcoiners that are always interested about bitcoin discussion, you can see a number of people being active on bitcointalk without having being participated in any signature campaign, this is all about passion for what you have invested on which is bitcoin itself.

Interacting through forums is very addictive just like posting what's on your mind on Facebook so those who are active whether they have a signature or not will continue to post but those who want to be incentivized will not post frequently but there are still signature campaigns it's not alarming for the forum, activity will be the same.

The altcointalk campaign is experimental we will see in the coming months how the forum performs and can the mixers create a brand through that forum and attract more users and will altcointalk will be their forum platform.

Because the BRICS nations have better data protection laws than the US, most private websites are hosted outside of US jurisdictions, at least in my experience.

Yes. 99%

You're right altcoinstalks is very active now but I don't know if the forum was inactive before however the growth it sees after the mixer campaigns moved there is very high. Not only one but two professional campaign managers have running campaigns on that forum that's because they have open-handedly accepted the mixers on their platform. The mixers had to move somewhere to advertise their services and that's why they moved there because from 1st Jan 2024 they aren't allowed to advertise their services on this forum.

I believe it's the first time when someone has launched signature campaigns on that forum and in initial days I believe the pay is still fine. With the passage of time and growth of the forum the pay may get higher. The pay of the mixer based campaigns was also low a few months ago on Bitcointalk but in current times when mixers aren't yet banned, some users are getting around $250 a week for participating in those campaigns.

This is a stupid question. Why Altcointalk wasn't active a few days ago? The answer is simple. There were no signature campaigns that paid a good amount of money. Why it's becoming active again? Because there are some campaigns. Of course, the market economy helps forums to remain active. Do you think everyone writes for money? NO. Not everyone. Moreover, even when people write for money, sometimes they add value to your thread. It's easy to find who is writing for money only and who is not. When you see people write only on some specific boards where their campaigns ask to post, (Gambling for example) it's understandable why they do not show any interest on the other side of the forum.

Fair enough, but what makes you believe that? Are all those very liberal countries known for their freedom of speech (especially Russia and China lol) or some other reason that makes you believe that?


Are they maybe hosted in BRICS countries?

Op I got my 100% knowledge about Bitcoin from the Bitcointalk forum. There are two things every users have to do here in the forum. One is to learn what you don't know, and that means you don't know cryptocurrency (Bitcoin) so you are here to learn and when you known then you start to educate or contribute to knowledge and when you have contributed to knowledge for people to appreciate then you rank up and if you want to join  signature campaign to contribute you are free because it is your knowledge. The world now is rule by knowledge.

And what you said that everyone profile has signature code is wrong. JJG is a reputable user in the forum and he is contributing every day yet he is not in any campaign. And not everyone has the ambition you have in the forum. Some are just here to educate others about Bitcoin. Well the banning of Mixers has made AltcoinsTalks to grow well but that will never affect the activeness of Bitcointalk forum. If you check the total number of active threads in beginners and help board in the two forums, you will confirm that Bitcointalk is far active than the AltcoinsTalks. There are some days AltcoinsTalks has only 4 threads for the whole day but in Bitcointalk it enter two pages.

I continue to believe that sites hosted on BRICS servers are more safe and provide more freedom. Reasons why most DEXs and casinos are not hosted in the U.S jurisdictions.

Where was the old Satoshi forum hosted before moving to the new software? Curious to know


Nothing as such, the forum is well run and safer. I'm a moderator so I know facts

Agreed, he should call for fast delivery instead, walking down the streets is dangerous. Lol.

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Someone recently claimed they have used the same password on that forum and they got hacked here, apparently that forum is run by thieves, though that claim needs more investigation. Time for sheriff to get to work. so chop chop.😂 

Whether anyone agrees or not it doesn't change the fact that the altcointalk traffic can't be compared to half the traffic of bitcointalk community has despite mixers now operating in the altcointalk with members here teleporting over there.

There's an adage in my local parlance that says, "if you are big, you are big", so bitcointalk is a big active community and in as much as Bitcoin sits as the leading cryptocurrencies anything associated with altcoin will always have the status of altcoin in the face of bitcoin in extension to bitcointalk forum.

Even with the signature campaigns allowed day-in and day-out people are still leaving the forum and that is how new people are also trooping in too, maybe as a newbie you are ignorant of that, do your research about it.

About everyone having a signature code, that's isn't entirely true, not everyone in the forum is with a signature campaign code still they are happily contributing their knowledge to the forum. AFAIK, signature only serve as a motivation to frequently be active 24/7.

If you're observant you will without been told know that the attack on mixer that led to it's proposed ban in bitcointalk from 1st January 2024 is an attack targeted on bitcoin of which this forum has been instrumental to bitcoin popularity.  Else why is the government not having issues with mixers been continually advertised on altcointalk but are against it been continued on bitcointalk.?

Read the writing on the wall mate, the attack is indirectly on BTC popularity and not just about mixers.

Of course not, my guesstimate is that in case of signature campain (and bounty campaign) ban. bitcointalk traffic would go down at least 90%, maybe even more. Everyone is aware of that (forum staff included), therefore I don't think that there is a big possibility of that happening.


Given their stance on bitcoin and freedom of speech in general, imho it would be even worse (e.g, people from Russia have to use VPN in order to access bitcointalk as its banned there) if site was histed in BRICS countries.

thyemos' mistake was messing with his privacy and location; I had no idea he was going down a street in the U.S buying McDonald's. I used to think he was the closest thing to Satoshi in terms of privacy, but I was wrong.

If only the site was hosted on one of BRICS servers. Who knows.

This discussion has been had many times before, but you probably aren't aware of that unless your account is an alt of an older member, which I'd put the odds at 50/50 of being the case, probably better.

Were there any mixer campaigns prior to Chipmixer?  I can't recall there being any, just ones for various exchanges, casinos and the like.  In any case, any forum can do what they like.  Theymos could probably even decide to allow discussion and promotion of mixers if he wanted to, but he doesn't.  That doesn't mean bitcointalk is going to suddenly become a ghost town, and I can tell you with near 100% certainty that just because altcointalk became active (I'm not sure I've even heard of them) and that mixer campaigns are going away that this forum's going down the tubes.  This place is the place to discuss the king of all kings when it comes to cryptocurrency.

Now then, how many of these BS topics by apparent newcomers are we going to get?

Hell yes.  Pretty much everything I've ever learned about crypto has come from bitcointalk.  Most members are indeed here to earn money, but there are a lot of people in campaigns or not in them who are willing to answer questions for anyone who asks and to start threads on hot topics concerning bitcoin.  It's a great place to get a feel of the bitcoin world and the people in it.

This would not improve any legal safety for Bitcointalk unless theymos himself also moved outside U.S. jurisdiction. What is stopping law enforcement from forcing him to hand over database access and/or records from the "off-shore" servers, in the event they come for questioning or arrest?

Well, unforseen events contributed to Bitcoin adoption so if ban on mixers on BTT is going to be the breakthrough altcointalk needed to raise the DA and DR of the sites so be it.

Secondly altcointalk is hosted outside the U.S jurisdiction, it's one of the safest forum out there. Something theymos should have done a long time ago.

I don't think you can get a sincere response from most people here, they might say they are ardent fans of Bitcointalk, but in truth, they are for the money. Bitcointalk however has a whole lot of usefulness, it is useful for learning even as you gain knowledge and impacts your idea as well, and it is very useful when it comes to earning also. You can know those who are in for the money naturally, though they learn and impart knowledge as well, and you can know those who are just imparting knowledge and learning where they can without the main focus on the money. Anyhow the case may be, you will realise that those who are in for the money are more than those who are in for the knowledge, to gain it and impact it. So, if anything bad happens to the forum, you will definitely see them run away. They will say otherwise or act otherwise if asked, but it's a lie.

As for the altcoin forum, some here are already running to it, that's a fact. I know the altcoin forum exactly the same time I joined Bitcointalk and I have been loyal here. Even as I hear about going there to have a double presence, I forbid it myself because quality is better than quantity. Bitcointalk forum is number 1, just like Bitcoin, and I don't think I need more load on myself anymore. So why not stick to the best and shun the rest?

It's very active and full of signature participants... normal people still go to bitcointalk because that is one of the first results you get in a google search for most bitcoin topics.

Also did you know that the rates they are paying over there are less than what even a Full Member can earn here? That is the difference in the domain rankings of these two sites.

If you say everyone here has a signature code on their profile, you are wrong, but the majority of all the active members here wear signatures on their signature spaces, and most of them who don't wear signatures might be a result of not having a campaign yet. But still, there are members who, since I joined this forum, have not worn signatures, and they are even more active than most of us who are advertising a particular brand.
 
If you are not yet convinced about members who don't wear signatures, I can make you a list of at least 10 of them.
 
There is also no doubt that the traffic and audience here will reduce if the signature part of the forum is entirely disabled. Many are here for knowledge, as they claim, which is also an undeniable fact because there is a lot of information here and more to learn than we can imagine.

The earning part is also one thing that keeps people going, and most people have dedicated their time here on the forum as a result of the double benefit they get, so if one of these is cut down, we will definitely see a reduction in active users.

Bitcointalk is one of forums globally and one of Bitcoin, cryptocurrency forums. People can use many forums if they want but let me ask you what forum is most important with you?



If you are here to learn, gain knowledge, why did you create this topic to discuss about signature?

Do you agree with what I think? We found that the altcointalk forum was not that active even a few days ago. But now altcointalk forum is very active as professional manager is running signature campaign. People run after their own interests.

Now if this BitcoinTalk forum is not allowed to conduct any kind of signature campaign, will everyone be active in this forum as it is now? No one posts here without profit, everyone has a signature code on their account, there are only a handful of people left.

Well am I just here to gain knowledge in this bitcointalk forum? Are you also just here to gain knowledge? I won't say, no one comes to this forum to gain knowledge, signature is the only goal besides gaining knowledge. I also have a goal in the future to grow my account and try to join signature campaigns.

Well now if all types of signatures are stopped from this forum then there will be no people to post here. I'm not saying that absolutely no one will post, there will be many who don't have any kind of signature. Am I right or wrong about this? What is the benefit of closing the mixer campaign? altcointalk are allowed. Has it been justified to stop the mixer campaign at all? Discontinuing the mixer campaign on the BitcoinTalk forum has had one benefit, that is, the activation of the altcointalk forum.