Topic: BitDice Casino Campaign Manager BoXXoB refrains from paying. (Read 1002 times)

So I took a look and both sides have valid arguments.  The posting style does read like "oh shit I need 20 more posts to get paid today, I better post more", HOWEVER all of the posts are quality, with thought put into them, on topic, helpful, and demonstrate knowledge of what he's talking about (if he's talking about a website it's clear he checked the website out, if he's talking to a person about their posting habits, he links old posts).  I think by the spirit of the rules, he should be paid and maybe warned privately about posting a bunch on the last day (unless he's been warned of that previously, which doesn't seem to be the case).

Ah cool. Yeah, I think paying a percentage of the payout would be a pretty fair way of handling these types of cases. It definitely adds some additional work on the campaign manager's part but I think would be useful and users would certainly appreciate it. I think you've been doing a good job with this campaign thus far and making adjustments as necessary to improve the campaign or increase clarity in certain rules comes with the territory of running a new campaign like this. Keep up the good work.

In cases like this I'll probably go with paying a percentage of the payout in the future as long as the posts are good quality like Joel_Jantsen or you for example. Alex is planning on paying Joel by the rule of 8 posts max per day. Same with you (kolloh) I think.

All I want is to imrove my work quality.

(also, the rules will be clarified and updated later!)

It becomes difficult to meet the requirements of the campaign unless you are posting around 5 posts each day or fairly close. If you post too few, you will end up with too many remaining in the last days to not fall under the too many posts in the last day requirement or into the post bursting rule if the posts are posted during a short timeframe. I fell into the too many posts in the last day (well last 24 hours I guess as it included an evening/morning for me) category as well this week. I tried to ensure that I wasn't post bursting by spreading these posts across the entire day and making constructive posts as well but if you miss too many posts early in the week, it is difficult to recover. I would think that it might be beneficial to include some leniency based on previous performance of individuals as well as post quality, but that isn't my decision. If the user remains in the campaign for the following week, these posts near the end will still gain visibility for the next couple of days depending on the location of the posts so I'm not sure how harmful they are if they are of good quality. It just might result in less visibility during the beginning of the week. I think the goal is for equal visibility throughout the week, which is understandable, so trying to evenly space out posts as much as possible makes the most sense. It just requires more attention to timing throughout the week.

I don't feel BoXXoB is scamming or trying to screw people out of payment. He is just following the rules of the campaign strictly and doing his job in an effort to prevent spam forum and gain the most value from the campaign as a whole.

Leave kidding here you are caring of a business.
Read with care what i said. Reply the points what you understand.
That is my last reply to this accusation. I have provided what I noticed.

You're one of who I kicked out, right? Why the alt?

That red text doesn't do much justice.

1. One of the problem with Bitdice signature campaign is that the manager just deny the participants due to the new born rules which appears just after counting the posts when the round completes which is injustice 'to impose the rules after the round complete and the participants do what was asked in the start of the round'. ( I am pointing it out for the second round in which a number of members were denied of payment due to a new rule imposed just after the second round end up).

2. Secondly the manager do not know that what actually happens in a forum. He do not know that a forum is. He do not know that forum is a place of discussion where some people gather to discuss something and in that discussion a person add something to the discussion without waiting for a specific time interval after getting response from the others. As I said a forum is a place where some people discuss a topic then just suppose there are two friends in a room and they have to discuss about a thing (for example a book) one friend say something about the book the other reply to him at that time then the first one will not wait for an hour to answer him but they both will continue without keeping a specific time interval for each other to reply. They discussion for to be fruitful matters only the quality sentences and do not matter in how much time it conducted. It is nonsense to say that discussion completed in a shorter time period is something bad and it is nonsense to say that the longer a person discuss (more posts in a day) is spamming.
I have saw a number of forums where the members without any signature campaign or any other reward often do hundreds of posts in order to continue the discussions on the forum just for knowledge etc.

3. The Third problem is that the admin of bitdice when hiring a person for a service do not look that how much the person have experience in that area of work. BitDice is giving a good pay to the participants then why they are unable to hire a well experienced manager from the forum. BoXXoB is either an inexperienced in the field of management or he is working to get free advertisements by planning while taking the favor of the administration of the forum by the propaganda of anti-spam (without having any knowledge about spam and anti-spam)

4. With all above BoXXoB not scammed only 0.035 but more than that from more than a dozen of participants.

For the betterment of bitdice I consider it better that bitdice hire lauda, Lutpin or yahoo62278 for the management of that campaign.

Primarily no.I mean I wouldn't post on a topic without having intentions of actually contributing to it.To simplify it further,I refrain myself from posting on a topic just for signature sakes.

Wouldn't that make one look like a sheer signature spammer ? For example,if I wish to make 5 posts everyday to make it up to the rules by the end of the week,I will try my best to complete that 5 post cap.I'm afraid I will tend to post rubbish without having any intentions of actually contributing to the topic just because I have to make 5 posts anyway.Makes sense?

I dont want to be in the middle of this but this bolded statement made me chuckle a bit. If you didnt post to be paid then this thread in fact wouldnt have been made would it?

I personally can see arguments for both parties here. Boxxob is trying to be strict and considering you made a majority of posts on the final day he is being very strict on his rules and denying payment.

You do qualify as per rules of number of posts needed for payment. You do qualify as far as quality goes. Its just how he interprets his own rules. I personally would pay you and maybe message you to try and spread out your posts a little better.

Either way i think this thread is beneficial to the rest of the community involved in signature campaigns. A campaign is ran at the manager and companies discretion. So in order to avoid situations such as this, you all should try and spread yourselves out throughout a payweek. A company is looking for maximum exposure as stated by Alex. The best way to get that is to see ppl posting daily a few times a day vs 20 1 day 8 another 4 and so on

I have not said anything against you or BoXXoB I am just showing statistics in there,  but the campaign had rule.  Else what is the use of the campaign rule if not to be followed?

This accusation and defends need the statistics because you were not paid under some rule.  I don't know which of these you do not understand



edit: i will refrain myself on replying here again because replying here again and again forfeit my purpose of only posting the OP posting statistics within the week six range of BitDice signature campaign for reference purpose.  Sorry for the troubles

So according to you,what the posts break-down should be like ?5 posts every day ? 3 posts in the morning 3 in the evening every day ? Sorry but I don't post to get paid,I post if something interests me regardless of the time or day.

It can be used as reference, its not that im siding with either of you but it certainly tells that BoXXoB have a point.  And since your post statistics within that week range is not posted here, i think it would be wise to see where BoXXoB is coming from

edit: on the other hand it also show that you made the quota needed to get paid in that campaign.

Not sure if that's really jobless or productive.Neither it makes any sense here.Your point being ?

I got some data extracted here prior to the OP post history within the 6th week range

Sections he posted during 2017-01-04 16:05 - 2017-01-11 16:00 

Economy / Scam Accusations / : 13
Other / Meta / : 5
Economy / Reputation / : 4
Economy / Lending / : 4
Economy / Services / : 3
Economy / Digital goods / : 2
Economy / Service Discussion / : 2
Economy / Gambling / : 1
Economy / Web Wallets / : 1
Economy / Games and rounds / : 1

Post per Day
January 7, 2017 : 1
January 8, 2017 : 4
January 9, 2017 : 3
January 10, 2017 : 8
January 11, 2017 : 20

Hey Joel_Jantsen,

Sad to hear that you are having a problem with the campaign. I agree with you that it double how you understand If we see that you've posted on the last few days before payday, you wont be paid term of not posting during the last days, however, I do believe that you agree that half of the posts can fall under that criteria.

The reason why we have this rule is that we want that our signature under your profile was seen as much as possible, to make it happen, you need to post everyday, thus we can reach wider audience rather if you post at the last day, when only people that are online during that period will see it. Box is trying to maximize our benefits of this ad campaign. These are very strict rules, I agree.  

Can you email me details on when (if) he first time warned you about it, whether you previously did it, I will review and discuss it with Box. My email is [email protected].

Regards,
Alex.