Topic: BitKong potentially scamming its users (Read 339 times)

Marlboroza is right. With provably fair mechanism it is very easy to prove that casino cheated.

Here is my guide about provably fair mechanism in luckydice - its sister site of the same company so it should work the same or similar way.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.54086701

Bring here 1 bet that they cheated (server seed, client seed, nonce, expected outcome and cheated one) and we can talk.

yes the site is a scam. you only hide behind that ridiculous provably fair bullshit because you know that you are not manipulating the results but rather compliment that in your code. how can you call it gambling when you coded these ridiculous streaks of games that cannot be won. everyone who played at your site knows what i mean. what kind of gambling is that?.. I think some federal departments should review your code and send you to prison for 30 years for this type of scam. unbelievable how you programmed a game that pops in and out of this "mode" when you are winning or when you bet too much. and then you will say check the verification. you know your site is rigged to shit and no one can prove it because it is part of the code. pretty ridiculous how you can sit there, coding a game that has no wins even possible. you think you are really smart but you know you ripped everyone who plays off.

Seems you don't know how provably fair system work or you just don't believe in provably fairness (Research this https://cryptogambling.org) You need to prove that they changed result, if you can't do that this thread is nothing but a FUD created by someone who lost money in gambling site.

Please verify your result and post details here (I suppose you saved server seed hash somewhere before you placed that one bet?).

That's despicable attitude.

We won't post here any further, it's impossible to have a conversation with this business, amazing to see the people behind it ... what a despicable attitude.

So, you have few faucet sites, and playing at your direct competitor freebitcoin (but never win) and bet at BitKong time to time. You know that better to bet on dog runs in Australia so it can’t be rigged + you do not believe in cryptography. You know for sure that alexa’s rank decides who earn more or less.

I changed my mind, please contact us at [email protected] to discuss your claims!

We are not "loosing" credibility, you might claim we are losing credibility but not loosing.

This is not a random thread, it was based on experience of over 20 users. It was mentioned in the beginning there isn't any "proof" other the user claims but your proof is based on client server/seeds which is pointless claim - as FreeBitco.in is doing the same and most rollers don't win the top prize (we rolled there for over 3 years without winning the top prize or even the one below).

With our CoinFaucet.io site we get similar complaints, and we are open for criticism - you clearly are not open for any, unless it's backed by a real proof, so according to you user complaint is 100% meaningless - fair enough, but it's okay to disagree on this, in a professional way, just like you provided a valid response without the use of any foul language (kudos to you for that).

Ridiculous thread with a ridiculous accusation really - it’s not bitkong loosing credibility, it’s actually you loosing (provided you had any...). Opening random threads and stating things like that with no evidence it all is completely unprofessional.

Main purpose of the provably fair is that a casino can't manipulate your rolls in mid game but if they provide you with Server seed hashed and client seed prior to the game then they are not. (As simple as that)

I haven't played on Bitkong for a long time but I never haven't felt something like this.


[1] Before trying to make I checked the Client seed and Server seed (hashed)



Client seed: bfadfd8a407b1ecc2c2a498cc44d4148
Server seed (hashed): 355f12ae2fee9d61726fe95aa64b724b42c59c02cc8446266f85f14ad77ed405
Server Seed: 8e861f9f56fd65012c5738a56e962161edb91e3c31a4dbd1b15344eae70134fb

I tried to play it with faucet and won till the end on "Easy" steps and here is the result:





[2] Now in "Fairness" Section below they also provide a calculator and here is what verifier gives me the result.




If anyone wants to check or feeling that I am inclined to Bitkong side are free to check this BET ID:

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There it goes that they are "Provably fair" and what you and they(as in users who are not coming up in front) are truly feeling this due to straight losses which might happen. Anyone who is in gambling understands that but some find it hard to get it when they lose.

If you still think that they are manipulating somehow then please feel to prove but this accusation is baseless and not going to alarm users with this.

With an attitude like this it looks like we won't be on the same page, fine - we'll leave it like this (double meaning).

Thanks for your time.

After reading your messages it’s hard to stay professional lol. Please share all complaints here. We have nothing to discuss with you other than “Conspiracy theories 101” book.

Try 50 to 100 consecutive small bet. If the result is still the same then I might agree with you that something is wrong about fairness since losing consecutively with that high win rate is questionable. But if you just doing it once a month then I don't see the logic on accusing there fairness easily for that 1 shot on long time frame interval.

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I might try it myself later to help you.

As the owner of the site it would be firstly quite wise to not use words such as WTF - this doesn't imply any professionalism, and on the contrary - it only shows a childish type of response to an accusation. It would be much wiser to provide an answer with 100% professionalism - we haven't used any foul language in this thread against your site neither, and as mentioned we almost barely opened a scam accusation in Bitcointalk and we are not ones who run to do so, so if we posted an accusation - there is a valid reason for it, at least from our end.

We appreciate you have a nice UI and that your site looks great in terms of design (better than ours if we have to judge it) but we are not here to discuss how the site looks, and we are not here to claim the calculator script in your site is broken - we are here to advise you and other members, that something is "fishy" with your site - whether you like it or not - this is based on too many accusations we have gathered from our end.

Now what do you want to do with this information? We are not sure, but we felt the need to share it with others, as likewise we not interested in upsetting our users who visit our site and expect to see valid offers in it - some other scamming advertisers were all removed from our site likewise, and our site wouldn't have survived if we had let and allowed bad advertisers to promote their content to our users - we're not implying you are "bad advertisers" for everyone - but we had enough bad experience that we are simply not interested in promoting the site anymore.

If you wish to discuss this via email or for us to forward you the account users - we are happy to do so - PS you can discuss/resolve/compensate our users, we don't mind losing the bets to your site, but we do care about our user experience very much.

No, we didn't create the script - you could say the same about FreeBitco.in - which is "provably fair" but the amount of users hitting the $200 top prize is very minimal - it's defined by the system, whether it's provably fair or not - only that FreeBitco.in is free, so you could mind less if you don't win the top prize - here people actually deposit their own money into a cash machine that simply swallows it.

So what benefit would you get by "verifying" results in the system itself? Fairness and verification is something that should be defined or regarded also by the users and not only by the site itself - if you take away that freedom to express the opinion of over 20 users (we have all their emails saved) - then you automatically side with the site and accuse the accusers of lying - why would any of our member complain about this site for no reason? What incentives do our members have to complain specifically about this site?

Hint: We used to run other gambling sites in our site, we had no problem with many of them, incl. William Hill.

Hint: Since then we are not very happy to promote many gambling sites in our site - we want our users to make money, not lose money - we don't mind if we give them a fair chance, but this site based on our and our user experience (more than 1, more than 5, more than 10, more than 20!) - doesn't seem to be fair! Take it or leave it.

Final Hint: If you want to bet with better odds - just bet against a dog in a greyhound race, in the UK you only have to guess which dog out of 6 won't win the race - in Australia it could be even 1 dog out of a 8 or a 9 dog race ... at least there you know the chances of "rigging" the race is minimal than dealing with a site that whatever it says - seems to come with lots of skepticism in practice.

WTF this even means? What is “credible information”? Fairness page explains step by step how to verify your bets and includes client-side calculator with nice UI to verify your bets.

What does this mean: "BitKong potentially scamming its users",  they are either cheating users or they are not.

Have you (or any other user) manually verified result(s)? Have you verified result(s) in old system?

Users who deposit and play the game lose on the very first attempt.
This is not 1 user or 2, there are dozens of users from different countries.

Whilst it's appreciated they have a fairness page - it doesn't contain any credible information:
https://bitkong.com/en/fairness

We care about the bottom line, not about the process - the bottom line is users are not happy with this site, we'd be happy to direct them to this thread to share their experience if necessary but most of them would be newbies in this forum as they don't use Bitcointalk.

Yeah so wheres the evidence? What is the "red flag" exactly based on? Note: I am not affiliated with that site at all...

Obviously is not the right definition, there are red flags around this site. We have no intention of posting something against a site that is not even competing with our business model, we believe in fairness and the site doesn't seem to be 100% fair.

Alexa ranking is important - this site is not among the top ranked Alexa sites, yet you see dozens of games every second... the fact over 20 users in our site sent us a message about this site is also unusual - we do get complaints on sites we promote from time to time but not in a massive amount like this.

You seem to underestimate the accusation here, we've been long enough in business to know the value of business and fairness, it's not an easy thing to to pull the scam accusation trigger - lots of thought and consideration was given/taken before posting this thread.

Thanks for your time.

I am sorry to say that but you wrote yourself... this is OBVIOUSLY not enough to talk about a possible scam - honestly I actually think even posting this is not reasonable - yeah some gamblers said they didnt win "enough" in their opinion? Wow... And an alexa rank really has nothing to do with that at all...

We have been following BitKong for quite a while now, and previously we promoted the site in our site, however the amount of complaints from users about losing on the very first attempt has been massive, and previously the game was to guess which 2 out of 3 boxes are safe to click on and it was working fine in a fair way. Since their change, it's 3 out of 4 which is supposed to be easier but apparently it's not. Not at all.

We've tried the game ourselves 4 times in the past 2 months, the results are as follows:



Except for once we could never move forward beyond the first row, "surprisingly" we always hit the losing brick. And that's exactly what over 20 members of ours have told us - which is why this thread is initiated.

By all means this is not "enough" to accuse BitKong of cheating, however we do have a lot of complaints from users with the same thing (for privacy reasons we cannot share their information).

Whilst BitKong might claim it is reliable - we tend to believe it employs some in-house accounts to play in the game and show winnings and show users as if the site is constantly active.

Its alexa ranking is 52,000 - our faucet site CoinFaucet.io is twice the rank of this site (for the better) and please trust us when we tell you - this by all means is not a lot of users, you won't make that much unless you cheat your members somehow.

Once again this is not a 100% credible accusation the site is cheating - however we do tend to believe the site is not 100% honest with its users, and any one dealing with this site should deal with extreme caution - we won't be depositing any single cent further into this site and likewise we have stopped promoting the site in our site and we won't be promoting it ever again.

Thanks!