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Topic: Bitmain Launches Antminer S9 Hydro (Read 1552 times)

newbie
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November 07, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
#37
Can someone help me? Picked one of these up recently. Got it set up yesterday finally.

The machine turns on, and I've had the water pump through at least once? But now what happens is the fans just go super loud, no water appears to be moving, and then after a few seconds (maybe minutes) the machine just turns itself off.

What am I doing wrong?
member
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November 07, 2018, 01:32:43 PM
#36
Any news about the noise of the miner itself?
Are the fans on the radiator monitored as well? (can they be deleted?)
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live long and prosper
November 07, 2018, 10:10:26 AM
#35
My Hydro also runs since about 2 month... did anyone put this system to a external heat exchanger and feed his heating system at home??

My plan is to use 3 hydros and put it to an ex heatexchanger that is connected to a 1000l heating tank to heat about 300m² with about 33° water temp.
full member
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We are not retail.
September 11, 2018, 04:08:02 PM
#33
Since temp changed here in the NW 80% fan speed has been very welcome on my ears on the s9's. I want to try one of these too. Hoping to order in a month or so and place in office. Though Bitmain radiator looks to have a number of 120mm fam makes me wonder some on dbs.
legendary
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September 11, 2018, 11:08:33 AM
#32
I may grab one of these devices just for the reduction in noise as a result of the liquid cooling (45-58dB according to the site listing), and the thing just looks interesting to work with overall. This is obviously a bit of a novelty device like the C1 was due to the radiator and all, and it’s likely an attempt from Bitmain to offload existing S9 stock or chips, but it’s been a while since Bitmain has officially released any watercooled equipment, and I’m excited to see how these things actually turn out.

I wonder if it’ll be possible to use an aftermarket radiator and pump on one of these things. $130 seems like a somewhat hefty price to pay for their radiator.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
September 06, 2018, 11:15:30 AM
#31
You mean one water connection starts to leak and sprays water over your 20 other miners... yeah that might cause a call or two to the support Smiley

you do realize  that  distilled water  does not conduct power.

I have had leaks in water cooled systems  and you don't kill the system  if you have distilled water in it.
newbie
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September 06, 2018, 10:23:48 AM
#30
Hopefully it is just to sell off their inventory of remaining chips and deal with any customer issues that arise due to liquid cooling before they roll out the S11.  

You mean one water connection starts to leak and sprays water over your 20 other miners... yeah that might cause a call or two to the support Smiley
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
September 04, 2018, 12:36:18 PM
#29
Hopefully it is just to sell off their inventory of remaining chips and deal with any customer issues that arise due to liquid cooling before they roll out the S11.  

they have yet  to build a good chip since losing the chip designer to whatsminer this seems to have really set them back.

Maybe  there won't be an s11 until they  rob a design from the other builders.
donator
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September 04, 2018, 11:51:36 AM
#28
Only pitty is: why do this with 2.5 year old technology instead of the newer technology that all competitors have...?

Hopefully it is just to sell off their inventory of remaining chips and deal with any customer issues that arise due to liquid cooling before they roll out the S11. 
full member
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September 01, 2018, 09:36:25 AM
#27
So tempting to just grab one of these since I need psu's. .. . then I think of my exhaust project getting finished.
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September 01, 2018, 02:23:54 AM
#26
Another overclock S9? with liquid cooler original S9 can crank up high freq i think..its cooler and silent

I was thinking that myself,it made me think of the C1 .  The ant C1 was a over clocked ant S3 .


I was waiting for something like this for a long long time.. well I have been waiting since 1TH/s Antminer C1 became obsolete... I used those to warm my house 2 years... They are quiet, emit heat and I can get my heating expense back.. well using C1's I even had some "left overs" Smiley

I definitely plan to get one or two if the get little cheaper.. lets say.. 2x cheaper Smiley


I still have one working C1. same  i might buy one.

its essentially just an S9 (i/j)
It has four hashboards, so obviously it hashes 1/3rd higher, and uses 1/3rd more power. Effectively its just 1 1/3th S9 in one housing, winch is possible due more effective heat transfer.
It saves space, less noise, re-usable heat (if you can), and less problems especially in warmer areas.
I see the benefits....
Only pitty is: why do this with 2.5 year old technology instead of the newer technology that all competitors have...?

They did one time then stopped because of greed which I'm guessing will be the reason they don't again > greed.

Hint Antminer C1 an you could use the water blocks from the C1 on the antminer S5's which may happen again with the S11 etc .
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August 31, 2018, 08:49:16 AM
#25
its essentially just an S9 (i/j)
It has four hashboards, so obviously it hashes 1/3rd higher, and uses 1/3rd more power. Effectively its just 1 1/3th S9 in one housing, wich is possible due more effective heat transfer.
It saves space, less noise, re-usable heat (if you can), and less problems especially in warmer aeas.
I see the benefits....
Only pitty is: why do this with 2.5 year old technology instead of the newer technology that all competitors have...?
hero member
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OGRaccoon
August 31, 2018, 05:33:23 AM
#24
Some of the product information seems to now be listed on the main bitmain website around the $745 range.

Code:
S9 Hydro-18.0T

Hashrate, TH/s
18.00

Power efficiency on wall @25°C, J/TH
96.00

Adapted power supply model
APW5

Adapted power supply, Watt / Volt
1728W / 220V

Detailed Characteristics
Value Min Typ Max

Hashrate & Power

Hashrate, TH/s
18.00 18.40

Power efficiency on wall @25°C, J/TH (1-1)
96.0 102.7

Power efficiency on wall @40°C, J/TH (1-2)
103.2 110.4

Power on wall, W (1-3)
1728 2031

Power supply input voltage, V AC (2-1)
200 220 265

Power Supply input Frequency Range, Hz (2-2)
47 50 63

Power supply input current, A (2-3)
7.85 10.16

Power Supply Safety Protection
Output Overcurrent Protection, A DC (3-1)
216 225

Low Voltage Input Protection, V AC
90 100

Hardware Configuration

Quantity of hash chips
216

Quantity of hash boards
4

Networking connection mode
RJ45 ethernet 10/100M

Miner Size (Length*Width*Height), mm(4-1)
360*125*190 Net weight, kg (4-2)

Noise, dBA @25°C  (4-3)
 
45 58   <---- Nice drop in sound level from this compaired to say S9 80 db

Environment Requirements

Water inlet temperature, °C
15 (5-1) 55

Water flow, L/min
5 (5-2) 15

Flow system pressure, kPa
50 300
hero member
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August 30, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
#23
I was waiting for something like this for a long long time.. well I have been waiting since 1TH/s Antminer C1 became obsolete... I used those to warm my house 2 years... They are quiet, emit heat and I can get my heating expense back.. well using C1's I even had some "left overs" Smiley

I definitely plan to get one or two if the get little cheaper.. lets say.. 2x cheaper Smiley

full member
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August 29, 2018, 11:42:46 PM
#22
Another overclock S9? with liquid cooler original S9 can crank up high freq i think..its cooler and silent
member
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August 29, 2018, 07:30:50 PM
#21
cool idea but some one has been selling s9 water blocks on ebay for some time now .they cost, it looks like they modded some GPU water blocks to fit S9 hash boards .

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antminer-s9-Hashboard-with-waterblock/202354553927?hash=item2f1d457447:g:B7oAAOSwyLdbNkAn

This does look cool but nothing new and more to get money for old chips for bitmain I'm guessing, which it will sell . now if the S11 or what ever they call there 7nm chip model does this at 32 th or higher using like 1400 watts that might be  something to look at maybe .

What I hope happens, later on is some one figures out a way to lower the power use age as the hash goes up at some point they will have to. it's possible but when is the question.
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August 29, 2018, 03:39:37 PM
#20
for those interested, the S9 Hydro is now available on the bitmain.com website - no longer China-only.

Miner itself is $780 USD. With radiator + PSU it comes to $1008 USD or 0.18645827 BTC as of [right now]

For the whole set we have it listed just over 1.4k. Seems shipping charges are higher for this but the APW5 is 2600w and is $10 less than the APW3++ they have. Since I need 2 more psu for the evga's that arched I'm going to grab these. I'll have to have web check shipping prices for other antminers see if they've change their rates on all their listings.
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August 29, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
#19
Residential - yes, but not that good in a hot climate. Those large radiators are harder to vent outside than a plain S9 with some ducts. But works great in a cold climate during the winter - free quiet heat.

The way to run these is having a well pump water into a drum and have closed loop water supplies running to each miner (and don't use the radiator).  Using the radiator would be senseless for venting the air out of the mining space. You would just need some circulating pumps (get a three speed and set for 40 psi) and a bladder to distribute each water lead. If the hashrate was a bit higher, I would order some.



Seems, nobody is willing to do the math...  It is a worthless piece of shit even with -free- energy...

18TH mines 0.0007 BTC a day x 365 days = 0,2555 BTC a year without diff and hashrate going up.
Roughly every year the mining power triples, so 0,2555 BTC \ 3 = 0,0852 BTC a year taken in the diff and hashrate rising.
(Again, I do not count energy. Presume you have this free for this calculation)

Even mining 2 years = 0,0852 BTC x 2 = 0,17 BTC mined in 2 years (not even mentioning the diff and hasrate rising in 2020!)

Costs of the miner are (for me in the EU with VAT and import) +- 1300 euro (without PSU) = 0,22 BTC cost of the S9 Hydro right now.

Simply said; You're better off keeping your BTC in your pocket and skip this garden hose miner Wink

I give you an amen on that.
newbie
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August 29, 2018, 01:51:02 PM
#18
for those interested, the S9 Hydro is now available on the bitmain.com website - no longer China-only.

Miner itself is $780 USD. With radiator + PSU it comes to $1008 USD or 0.18645827 BTC as of [right now]
full member
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August 29, 2018, 10:40:27 AM
#17
Seems like a cash grab to sell off the rest of their old S9 parts. I bet they wish they had Yang Zuoxing back.
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August 29, 2018, 03:37:56 AM
#16
...
Happy wife happy life.   

yeah, we seem to have the same "problems" ;-) at home ...
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August 28, 2018, 11:31:35 PM
#15
Trading cash for power to receive BTC is always a win. Mining altcoin for profits? Be careful with those bags.

I clowned this asic talking with sidehack calling it a CPAP machine. The concept for hobbyists is on point, still not a novice asic. Some say neither are the industrial style but I'd probably start with a cheap s9 or 8 series canaan still.

I think fanatic called it on the other thread, that no farm is going to house these by the 10's of thousands. Though putting 1-5 of these in house would be better for the wife at home and much easier for sound management with all the sealing and acoustic absorption I've done.

Happy wife happy life.   
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
August 27, 2018, 07:32:15 PM
#14
If your goal is to mine regardless of profitability, or to make hot water via electricity at reduced cost, this miner is acceptable.

If your goal is to end up with more money (in whatever form) than you started with, this miner is not acceptable.

You're not accounting for that BTC and cash are directly interchangeable. One is the other. That's the whole point of currency. Trading 1BTC for a BTC-making machine that'll only make 0.5BTC is a net loss no matter what currency you started with, unless the heat it makes is worth more than 0.5BTC to you. And that's assuming the substantially increased mechanical complexity doesn't fail first.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
August 27, 2018, 05:03:21 PM
#13
I think what he's saying is, if you have 0.3BTC and $2k, you could buy another 0.3BTC with that $2k or buy a miner which, over the next two years, will mine you about 0.2BTC. End result being, if you want more BTC you're better off buying BTC than this miner. Especially if you're looking for a boom in BTC pricing, since with booms come higher diffs which means a lower reward. 0.6BTC now is better than 0.5BTC in two years because 0.6BTC now can *still be* 0.6BTC in two years, guaranteed, while that 0.5BTC is a speculative best-case.

If you're planning on electric radiant heat in floors or a pool, this miner might be a good investment. But if BTC is your primary goal, I can't envision a situation where this machine is worth buying.

but he is wrong since the reality is I am using cash  not btc to buy the miner.

The fact that I buy whatever in btc  and don't hold the btc has nothing to do with my hodl btc.

He fails to separate and understand he is using cash  and btc has nothing to do with the purchase. Other then as an envelope to deliver the cash to bitmain.

He fails to understand that buying gear and  mining is a completely different animal  then buying coin and holding.  huge issue for me.

He fails to understand that a 45gb miner has $$$  to some as a good space heater.

Myself I can't use this as they lack efficiency of the T2Turbo  and cost 2x that of the standard s9.
copper member
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August 27, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
#12
I use the tradeblock.com calculator to give me an idea of what the miner will bring in given average changes in diff/month to see my break-even and profit in a year. I usually use 7% diff increase/month (which I should probably increase...) and if I don't see ROI in 6 months, I don't buy the miner. For me, the profit motive portion of mining to acquire more BTC over time than I would receive if I bought BTC with USD or simply held.

So long as mining will net me more BTC than I otherwise would have, ill keep investing in miners/upgrades.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
August 27, 2018, 01:26:01 PM
#11
I think what he's saying is, if you have 0.3BTC and $2k, you could buy another 0.3BTC with that $2k or buy a miner which, over the next two years, will mine you about 0.2BTC. End result being, if you want more BTC you're better off buying BTC than this miner. Especially if you're looking for a boom in BTC pricing, since with booms come higher diffs which means a lower reward. 0.6BTC now is better than 0.5BTC in two years because 0.6BTC now can *still be* 0.6BTC in two years, guaranteed, while that 0.5BTC is a speculative best-case.

If you're planning on electric radiant heat in floors or a pool, this miner might be a good investment. But if BTC is your primary goal, I can't envision a situation where this machine is worth buying.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
August 27, 2018, 12:18:52 PM
#10
So you are saying buying a miner for 0,22 BTC that DOES NOT make 0,17 BTC within 2 years is a great investment?

Well, this is where I pass...  I will NOT buy any miner if the amount of BTC (or BCH, LTC or ETH) is -lower- then the BTC, BCH, LTC, ETH I allready own.
Sorry, but it the most stupid thing you can do with your Cryptoś right now...

Investing and not gainging the amount of BTC you pay Huh  Maybe I am stupid, but I don't get that.

Be me guest, if bringing your BTC to lower numbers then you allready own is your goal.

what does it have to do with btc.

I have 2000 usd
I have .3 btc

I buy btc  with the 2000 usd.

and buy the miner.

my btc stays the same.

.3 btc

my cash drops.
newbie
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August 27, 2018, 12:15:48 PM
#9
Unless your looking forward at a higher price for bitcoin in the future.
Not everything is about the now profits..

So you are saying buying a miner for 0,22 BTC that DOES NOT make 0,17 BTC within 2 years is a great investment?

Well, this is where I pass...  I will NOT buy any miner if the amount of BTC (or BCH, LTC or ETH) is -lower- then the BTC, BCH, LTC, ETH I allready own.
Sorry, but it the most stupid thing you can do with your Cryptoś right now...

Investing and not gainging the amount of BTC you pay Huh  Maybe I am stupid, but I don't get that.

Be me guest, if bringing your BTC to lower numbers then you allready own is your goal.
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OGRaccoon
August 27, 2018, 12:02:00 PM
#8
Seems, nobody is willing to do the math...  It is a worthless piece of shit even with -free- energy...

18TH mines 0.0007 BTC a day x 365 days = 0,2555 BTC a year without diff and hashrate going up.
Roughly every year the mining power triples, so 0,2555 BTC \ 3 = 0,0852 BTC a year taken in the diff and hashrate rising.
(Again, I do not count energy. Presume you have this free for this calculation)

Even mining 2 years = 0,0852 BTC x 2 = 0,17 BTC mined in 2 years (not even mentioning the diff and hasrate rising in 2020!)

Costs of the miner are (for me in the EU with VAT and import) +- 1300 euro (without PSU) = 0,22 BTC cost of the S9 Hydro right now.

Simply said; You're better off keeping your BTC in your pocket and skip this garden hose miner Wink

Unless your looking forward at a higher price for bitcoin in the future.
Not everything is about the now profits..
newbie
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Merit: 1
August 27, 2018, 11:07:41 AM
#7
Seems, nobody is willing to do the math...  It is a worthless piece of shit even with -free- energy...

18TH mines 0.0007 BTC a day x 365 days = 0,2555 BTC a year without diff and hashrate going up.
Roughly every year the mining power triples, so 0,2555 BTC \ 3 = 0,0852 BTC a year taken in the diff and hashrate rising.
(Again, I do not count energy. Presume you have this free for this calculation)

Even mining 2 years = 0,0852 BTC x 2 = 0,17 BTC mined in 2 years (not even mentioning the diff and hasrate rising in 2020!)

Costs of the miner are (for me in the EU with VAT and import) +- 1300 euro (without PSU) = 0,22 BTC cost of the S9 Hydro right now.

Simply said; You're better off keeping your BTC in your pocket and skip this garden hose miner Wink
legendary
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https://bpip.org
August 27, 2018, 10:55:07 AM
#6
Looks like it was designed to target small scale residential market of hot climates

Residential - yes, but not that good in a hot climate. Those large radiators are harder to vent outside than a plain S9 with some ducts. But works great in a cold climate during the winter - free quiet heat.
member
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August 26, 2018, 11:25:13 PM
#5
i think it is actually superb...
If you have a cool water source, you can run them silent and efficient, and even recoup the energy in form of heat, which usually goes out the window.

i love it, and i hope to aquire some very soon.
Now, improve and upgrade to 30Th as the competition does curently, and i'm all ears... Smiley
sr. member
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Walter Russell's Cosmogony is RIGHT!
August 26, 2018, 07:02:28 AM
#4
There are easy well know solutions to keeping water effectively biologically inactive.
Using distilled de-mineralized water would be a must... and UV is very effective at keeping it biologically inert.
But since water is rather resistant to heat absorption..Glycol AKA "Rad fluid" would become the standard substitute pretty quick I imagine.
Though there are also some more exotic more effective liquids.
But then you are dealing with a closed system that must have fans and airflow and ventilation all over again. Bye bye to your electricity "Savings"

You are correct in noticing the electrical efficiency will be minuscule.
Reliability and service life should increase dramatically...but will probably not offset the huge increase in maintenance costs.
Pumping high volumes of air is always going to be much cheaper than pumping water
And there will never be a better solution to heat dissipation than using mother natures free cold from extreme Northern/Southern latitudes and simple convection.

Further I would speculate the actual added volume/space requirements would be another huge cost for large farms to replace and modify the set-up density.

Bottom line is this a short sighted gimmick. It only give the illusion of increased efficiency.
From a total engineering perspective it significantly increases in-efficiency and risk.
Looks like it was designed to target small scale residential market of hot climates
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August 26, 2018, 12:38:25 AM
#3
18th's at 1700w isn't a game changer. Plus think of the downtime scrubbing scum from tubes will bring.
legendary
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Curmudgeonly hardware guy
August 26, 2018, 12:14:26 AM
#2
This is only the last place for that info because some saboteur overzealous moderator quickly deleted at least two threads on this machine since Thursday.
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