Topic: Bitmain registers S11, S11+ and F3 with Russia FSB Protocol (Read 2287 times)

Hopefully this is on topic here but antminer list the apw7 psu at 1800w. so maybe s11 has a 1570 draw? and 19-22 th/s?

There's also the thought that anyone paying attention would know a fivefold increase in efficiency from one model to the next didn't really even happen back when ASIC mining was new and still working down from 130nm. When someone suddenly comes out with a machine that's far and away better than what everyone else has, it is ALWAYS a scam. Especially if it's in anywhere near the same price range. Obvious ploy is obvious (and oft repeated).

Double especially when the company claiming to be releasing it has been hacked, and sent you an email saying they were hacked, and then sent you an email saying the miner rumors say they're selling in fact does not exist and you should not buy it.

Bitmain's database was hacked a while back and the hackers got everyone's name, email, phone, address and who knows what else.
(Yes Bitmain also stated this)

There was a thread in the hardware section warning everyone about the new fake S11 email in the last 24 hours.
Alas the mods deleted it - go complain to them

Seems i just lost 4600$... For f***ck sake f**ck this s*it, they had all my informations! Email, phone, adress, street, everything!! Never ever i will buy from bitmain!!

I'm just received this: http://213.81.177.210/LimitedOfferDetails(eu).pdf

80TH @ 1400W what we waiting for? LOL

Just got an e-mail from these scammers:

Limited time offer for registered users!

As we promised you few days ago in phone call, we are happy to announce Antminer S11-1 Presale!

We are also pleased to inform you, coupon will be activated for each Antminer S11-1 purchased.

Shipping date estimated:

First 1000 Antminers S11-1 purchased will be shipped on June 20-28.
Second 10000 Antminers S11-1 purchased will be shipped on July 18-26.

Don’t miss opportunity to get your Antminer S11 first!

Presale expiry date is 23:59:59, 10th, June, 2018 (Beijing time, GMT+8).

Please find additional information about our offer in PDF file attached.

Customer details

Goes on with my shipping info from bitmain. Looks like the email is spoofed as well.

Is starting to feel like S11 units are being tested somewhere.....

This email (or any other explanations they made) didn't deny S11's existence by the way. They only said its not Bitmain who's been advertising/taking preorders for S11's.

There is a huge difference and yesterday they started to dump their S9's completely on us. Who's stupid enough to buy S9's right now?

Email from Bitmain overnight:

I think they have mine let me check my account.

Why would Bitmain have your phone number?

I just got an automated phone call claiming to be Bitmain.  It told me about the new S11 miner that will be available on June 10th and as a valued customer I will be allowed to pre-order up to 50 of them.  There was no mention of the hashrate, and I have no idea if it was really Bitmain calling me, but it did ask me to confirm certain information that only Bitmain or someone who had hacked Bitmain's user database would know...

The cooling of multiple tiny heatsinks isnt even especially on the s9’s since they r often put on at varyin angles making airflow harder. Some chips will get more cooling than others. With a solid one the fins would be in a perfectly straight row and it would have the added bonus of transferin heat from other chips that r hotter to chips that are running cooler. It doesnt allow the density like sidehack mentioned and im not sure ne one likes the epoxy idea. I liked the old screw and tension spring method but they get paid the big bucks to design these things not me. Even so many do agree about the epoxy part lol.

And epoxied-on single heatsinks make a miner unmaintainable and unrepairable. They're great if you want super high density, but super high density increases the chances of failure - so you'll need maintenance and repair.

Avalon6 had issues in part because of unreliable pressure for adequate surface contact, and by design an increased risk of shorting through the heatsink. The chip design also still pushed a lot of heat into the PCB which may not have been handled properly.

I think the primary reason Bitmain switched to individual heatsinks, besides being able to pack stupidly unsustainable density, was to decrease the risk of shorting across voltage nodes in a string configuration while still allowing both top-side and PCB-side cooling. There are other ways to handle it, but you have to admit having a heatsink soldered to the PCB is about the best thermal contact you can get.

Of course, you don't need that good a contact if you aren't operating at 6KW per cubic foot.

I tend to prefer solutions like the S3 and New R-Box utiilized, where the PCB was sandwiched between monolithic heatsinks. This ensured even mating pressure for all chips, plus heat dissipation from both top and bottom. Both those miners used low-volt parallel VRMs rather than string topology, so additional care must be taken to avoid shorting, which will likely reduce thermal coupling into the bottom-cooling heatsink.

Individual heatsinks only have more surface area if you design them to have more surface area. Look at the S1/S3/S5 main heatsinks for reference.

A solid heatsink is a terrible idea. It holds its thermal load much longer than individual heatsinks and has less surface area to dissipate with. Go check out the Avalon6 if you want to see exactly how NOT to design a heatsink.

U r partially right...they r one of the best out there speed to power wise at stock speeds which isnt achievable with other machines right now but to be fair others r close. I personally dont like them and have made that known but halong has a miner that can be underclocked even if it is cheating with asicboost and not pure hashrate like the s9 is. If bitmain has the s11 in hand and r plannin on sellin them soon that would blow every other miner away for probably years to come again. So far 2 other makers that i know of tried 10nm chips and both were unable to beat the 2 year old antminer s9. No one can deny that holdin that title for 2 years deserves a pat on the back.

With a new antminer i hope they return to a previous design with a solid heatsink with actual thermal paste not thermal adhesive like they have been using since the s5+ miners. I know it will take up some more space but the ability to use high quality thermal paste and have quieter fans with more even heat distribution (since the heatsink will be 1 solid piece all the gaps between the current design would help evenly spread the heat over all the chips instead of just that 1 chip) would deff make up for that added space in my opinion. I know others in data centers r more worried about density and the more they can pack in the more they make everyday but in my care im strugglin with findin enough power to run all my machines...i have the space...tons of space but not enough breakers in both locations to handle the load of more machines so i have to figure that out or stick with the 2 locations i have now :/.

To add, these people did not have pre-orders for other machines such as the E3,Z9, B3, etc. They dont seem to have inside information on other machines but they have it on S11 lol. Also the BM1387 is the T9/S9 chip lol.

It is possible that there is an S11 but if bitmain release an S11 now, alot of people will be pissed. They dont have any real competitors right now for bitcoin anyways. S9 pricing is too good to pass up against competitors. No reason to release an S11.

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"resellers" - yes, as in those who resell them on ebay, Amazon, etc. However they are NOT Factory Authorized re-sellers such as Canaan has set up.
Huge difference in that non-FA resellers means ZERO FACTORY WARRANTY if you buy from them and the miner goes titsup. Maybe the reseller will help but odds are not because Bitmain only gives support to the original purchaser/user and does not support equipment that has been resold.

Factory Authorized distributors like Canaan uses means that if there is a problem both the distributor and Canaan will back you up with full support/warranty. And btw, for Avalons that is a 2-year warranty.
Personally, if I'm spending several thousand $$ I damn sure want a warranty!

Note that I said 'official' discount lol

Really now?

3% is the max official discount they offer on large orders.

Wasn't Bitmain's bulk discount like 1% for orders of 500? Or have they updated that policy now we're in a slump?

Yeah, I'm sure if you emailed them and said you wanted to buy like 2000 miners ASAP, they would be happy to work with you.  The guy is right that there are no official resellers, but pretty much any business out there offers bulk discounts, especially when they aren't selling out their current stock.

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MyRig has had a long relationship with Bitmain. Dates back to when myrig was bitmain warranty.

But bitmain does not call them a reseller.

You don't think they have resellers that buy from them in bulk? Official or not, those relationships most likely exist. That's just good business.

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My sources have a bitmain release in Oct at best.

So  we have

 the S-9 long time king  of sha-256 known to break a lot. mines at about .105 watts a gh and 14th

 the t-1  only makes its 0.093 watt per gh spec at under clock to 14.5th and mines on only 4 pools due to pool ops refusing to adopt new tech.

 the avalon 841 does under 0.099 watt per gh and mines at all pools  but has a heat intake issue you may need rooms to be  at 30c/ 85f or less.







If the bitmain gear does come in Oct-Nov I wonder how well it will mine .  I hear rumors of  20th to 21th and  1350 to 1400 watts

Zero confirmation on this gear. Just some emails from people.

BTW I also hear rumors of other gear due in Dec and Jan

Right, but if an *unauthorized* seller jumped the gun, he could easily get blacklisted and never be able to purchase from them again.

Without finding someone else's name to put on the account, I mean.

If you read the email and everything on the Bitmain site you will notice they DO NOT have ANY official resellers.

The only official way to buy their products is via the website.

Think you're right and it's also likely that the reseller posts are indeed scams. No Bitmain reseller would risk their relationship by doing something stupid like this.

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Seems more like damage control from Bitmain.  I'm sure they want to get rid of their S9 and other lower efficiency sha256 miners without having to worry about potential buyers being scared off by the coming wave of difficulty increases.  They also don't want to be viewed as giving preferential treatment of promising large orders to insiders while limiting others to a single unit per order. 

I think by the end of the year many of us will be mining with S11 Antminers.  We'll see how accurate that belief is soon.

Dear subscriber,
We are writing to inform you that we have received reports that some fraudulent sellers or scammers are trying to sell next-generation models of Bitmain’s Antminers, such as Antminer S10 or S11, none of which exist yet. The latest Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash miner from Bitmain continues to be the Antminer S9, which can be purchased on www.bitmain.com
We sell miners only on www.bitmain.com We do not have any physical location, in China or abroad, where you can purchase Bitmain’s miners. There is no other way to purchase Bitmain's products from us.
If the option to buy a product that is listed on the website is not there, the product is sold out and there will likely be another batch of that product soon.
If we know the date or time for the next batch releases of any product, we announce it on our Facebook page (facebook.com/Bitmain) or Twitter account (twitter.com/Bitmaintech).
The price of a batch is usually only available when the batch is released.
We wish you all a happy mining experience with Bitmain’s products.
Regards,
The Bitmain team


@ op please write scam in your title.

As for :
S-9
T-1
avalon 841

all three have issues.

but  I did decide to keep the 5x T1's sent to me for testing/demo.
I like -ck's firmware updates  and don't mind the pool limitations.

My avalon comes today  I will see how cool I can keep it.
It appears that I won't be able to have a lot of them as 30c or 86f is not possible to do in the main solar array loft during the summer.

and s-9's break a lot.

What about the fact that the Avalon 6 units never worked in spec and overheated in 70f temps? They sunk my last datacenter with their defective product. They swept all those problems under the rug because they were about to be bought out in that failed deal a while back.

The Avalon 841 seems to have a similar problem after they sneakily changed the specs from 40c to 30c without telling anyone.

So I dont think your argument about the quality of Canaan gear is 100% accurate. I have managed thousands and thousands of Avalon miners so I am speaking from first hand experience.

I got the same warning from bitmain

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Just received this email from bitmain, might be relevant for the discussion


Apparently S11 does not exist "yet"

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So this is why most of my chinese friends are starting to sell their S9s even though BTC is going up...........I doubt the validity of these claims though. Its probably something like 18TH@1400W

Canaan also doesn't build bottom-dollar gear and sell for 400% markup whenever it's convenient. By "bottom dollar" I mean built as cheaply as possible, spec'd too high for reliable long-term use and shipped with a mediocre warranty.

Bitmain is entirely self-serving. Sure they make hardware available to the masses, but they're in direct competition with their own customers and have little qualm about openly ripping off the entire world. The whole Cash shenanigan didn't help matters at all.

Avalon and Halong didn't fork bitcoin and claim that their fork (like bcash) is the real one.

Bitmain did.

Also I don't remember those companies making alliances with scammers and fraudsters like Bitmain does. (Roger Ver, Craig Wright) They invite these retards to every crypto related (mostly bcash related) conference

Tldr, bitmain is toxic and I don't give 2 fucks if they disappear today.

Anyone who says they're doing it with BM1387 is lying outright. That'd be operating the chips at roughly 1GHz, which they're probably capable of doing but not at 0.05J/GH - probably more like 0.12J/GH to push that speed and definitely not with air cooling.

This is another add

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://bitmainvtl.ru/antminer-s11-27-th-s/&xid=17259,15700023,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700173,15700186,15700201&usg=ALkJrhhAa7_iaS3tNrJe0xt9sUQF9sefhw

This one says 27 TH/s and 10nm with 189 chips.  Same number of chips as the S9 which makes me question it. 

The TH is inline with the claims of double the hash-rate on the Alibaba.  Same 10nm as Alibaba.  Calculated efficiency at 1,400watts is near .052j/Gh.

look at the ad

https://i.imgur.com/Xf10Fel.png full size

I see lies or errors just like you see.

One concern.  Per the website provided:


Yet the stated power consumption is 70J/TH.  The S9 is 0.098J/GH, or 98J/TH.  70 is not "less than half" of 98.

Also, 70J/TH @ 22TH = 1540 Watts, not 1340W as advertised, and thats just for the chips not including power supply losses, fans, controllers, etc.

Also concerned that the same chip number, BM1387, is being used for both the current 16nm chip and this proposed chip.  That is rather unusual to say the least.

This level of "sloppy" rings of a fake ad.

It will always be a fan boy war between all these different manufacturers.

Just like XBOX guys versus PLAYSTATION guys.

I personally like the AvalonMiners and Canaan best at the moment because they are the most robust and customer friendly choice available at the moment.

So if this was Avalon releasing a new miner it would be all hunky dory but because its bitmain putting out better hardware its a bad thing?

This ignorant line of thinking has spread to most of bitcointalk and it really needs to be addressed. People just coming here to learn hear nothing but political attacks and have no way to discern facts from uneducated opinions :/

If this listing is legit, it seems the S11 will have the same number of chips as the current S9 and they even managed to push more hash (almost 2x of a 13TH S9) out of the BM1387 chips that power the current S9s with the miners running more efficiently at the same time. Quite impressive if these specs are actually real.

For those interested in taking a look at this purported S11 on Alibaba, here it is.

F3 will be an ASIC for ETH. (If it is real)

E3 > F3

Let's hope Halong or Avalon/Canaan has something to counter these new hardware. Otherwise we're fucked.

I see an Alibaba seller offering Antminer S11 pre-order for $2900 - $3500.

Features:
Pre order of Bitmain AntMiner S11 22Th/s with PSU Preorder Ship on May 20-June 20:

Hash Rate: 22TH/s depending on batch. Variation of ±5% is expected
Power Consumption: 1340W; at the wall, with Bitmain’s APW3 PSU,93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp; expected discrepancy of +10%
Power Efficiency: 70 J/TH; at the wall, with Bitmain’s APW3 PSU, 93% efficiency, 25°C ambient temp; expected discrepancy of +10%
Rated Voltage: 11.60 ~13.00V
Chip quantity per unit: 189x BM1387
Dimensions: 350mm(L) x 135mm(W) x 158mm(H)
Cooling: 2x 12038 fans; Front fan: 6000rpm, Rear fan: 4300rpm
Operating Temperature: 0°C to 40°C
Network Connection: Ethernet
Frequency: Automatically set

Found this during some searches today.  Looks like Bitmain registered S11, S11+ and F3 with Russian FSB.  Does anyone know what the F3 would be mining?

https://kargoline.ru/news/216-notifikatsiya-bitmain-antminer-s11-s11-f3-ot-12-04-2018g.html

Very rough translation of pic on the Website:

The unified register of notifications of the characteristics
Shipovannyh (cryptographic) means and
goods containing them
Kzo00001443 notification number

date of publication
11.04.2018

notifications
ID 0100000
Kz000001443 notification number

Name of goods
ASIC device for mining cryptocurrency, trademarks Bitmain'model: Antminer V9 Antminer, Antminer A3, Antrouter R1-LTC, Antminer S11, Antminer S11+, Antminer F3 and spare parts for them.

Product name ASIC devices for cryptocurrency mining, brand Bitmain* models: Antminer V9, Antminer, Antminer A3, Antrouter R1-LTC, Antminer S11, Antminer S11+, Antminer F3 and spare parts for them.

The manufacturer of the goods Bitmain Technologies Inc.
Address: Building 25, North Olympic Science & Technology Park,
Baosheng South Road, Haidian District, Beijing, China 10029 China Tel / Fax: -86-400-890-8855

Validity
06.12.2021
Status
acts
cancellation date
registration date
04.04.2018
notifications