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Quote from: spazzdla on September 22, 2015, 12:02:31 PM

Quote from: RichBC on September 22, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

It's not just a money thing, it's a support and warranty thing. As soon as the product is not complete there are so many more variables in the equation and things that the customer can mess up.

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Ahh good point.

They have tightened down on warranty at this point. As of my S5+ you have to get permission from them to do pretty much anything or it voids warranty.

They could sell chips to others we saw a little bit of this for the compacs made. I hope they continue that but not sure they will at least for a while since new chip.

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Quote from: RichBC on September 22, 2015, 11:41:23 AM

It's not just a money thing, it's a support and warranty thing. As soon as the product is not complete there are so many more variables in the equation and things that the customer can mess up.

Rich

Ahh good point.

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It's not just a money thing, it's a support and warranty thing. As soon as the product is not complete there are so many more variables in the equation and things that the customer can mess up.

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Quote from: spazzdla on September 22, 2015, 10:54:26 AM

I wonder if just selling one board and you have to make your own enclosure and cool it your self would be viable.

Strapping a board to some wood and pointing fans at it is quite easy for anyone. Would reduce the cost massively for shipping and production as bitmain would only have to ship boards.

They tend to like to sell products that are fully built. Some have bought chips for projects. That might be your best bet if your wanting a board to do all this stuff DIY.

I don't see them selling boards where you make your own enclosures though. I see them focusing on finished products for the most part. They also make the most money this way.

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I wonder if just selling one board and you have to make your own enclosure and cool it your self would be viable.

Strapping a board to some wood and pointing fans at it is quite easy for anyone. Would reduce the cost massively for shipping and production as bitmain would only have to ship boards.

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Bitmain still has U3's for sale.

I don't think there is any chance of them making a U4 until they sell their remaining U3.

Especially as they are making an AntRouter.

You do make a good point about antrouter that is kinda in the same space as U series. I did not think about that.

But most likely we will see AntRouter. U3 is hard to order off them as you have to order 20. I think when they finnaly want to sell quick they will lower that min order. Or maybe it's not worth their time for less and will not lower it.

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Quote from: alani123 on September 15, 2015, 11:50:17 PM

Bitmain stepped up their game quite well with s7, it'd be nice to have something more accessible though. But I don't think it'll happen very soon, they'll have to ROI out of S7 production first.

I don't think so the S7 and U series are really completely different target audiences. Them having a S7 or what ever big one does not really factor in.

These miners are not meant for ROI really. More for fun on the U series.

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Bitmain stepped up their game quite well with s7, it'd be nice to have something more accessible though. But I don't think it'll happen very soon, they'll have to ROI out of S7 production first.

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Quote from: spazzdla on September 15, 2015, 09:28:15 AM

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Most forum members probably have a computer on most of the day if not 24/7; I was referring to the they, the public.

It's not clear which spazzdla is referring to.

In the case of the latter; I thought I had a good handle on most peoples computer habits, but I could be entirely wrong. People may be too lazy to turn off their computer.

So was I... most people I know don't turn their comps off.. they also lack the ability to create a file folder soo ya... It will probably only be for people on the forums that are only going to spend a few hundred on gear and not thousands.

A lot of computers ship out with a power savings mode as far as windows. It is kinda a "dummy mode". But if you leave it on with no activity it goes to sleep.

So for most it should do this. Which makes it not to big of an issue for that type of user.

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Most forum members probably have a computer on most of the day if not 24/7; I was referring to the they, the public.

It's not clear which spazzdla is referring to.

In the case of the latter; I thought I had a good handle on most peoples computer habits, but I could be entirely wrong. People may be too lazy to turn off their computer.

So was I... most people I know don't turn their comps off.. they also lack the ability to create a file folder soo ya... It will probably only be for people on the forums that are only going to spend a few hundred on gear and not thousands.

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Most forum members probably have a computer on most of the day if not 24/7; I was referring to the they, the public.

It's not clear which spazzdla is referring to.

In the case of the latter; I thought I had a good handle on most peoples computer habits, but I could be entirely wrong. People may be too lazy to turn off their computer.

I don't think the general public is the market if there was a U4. Mining has not hit mainstream as far as general public setting up a miner, still need lots of adoption from many I think.

So I think the U4 would have much more to do with people like forum members, then general public. But I could be wrong.

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Quote from: spazzdla on September 14, 2015, 07:57:35 AM

A lot of people leave their comps running 24/7.

I think a lot of us do on this forum. I have one that normally is on so and I can access my network when I'm away. I am going to move some of my lotto miners to a RPI in a day or so.

But the full machine will still be on so most likely some running there. With or without miners it would be on. I am new to lotto mining (small scale solo mine) but I really enjoy it just as a fun time. And it cost a heck of a lot less then my main miners.

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A lot of people leave their comps running 24/7.

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Quote from: spazzdla on September 11, 2015, 08:04:45 AM

Quote from: QuintLeo on September 11, 2015, 05:01:07 AM

I doubt they'd move to 5V power supply.
12V is far more common and available.

I doubt they're going to be building anything else based on the BM1384, they apparently made the S5+ units at least in part to clear out their remaining supply of those chips.

Making it with BM1384 would be silly.

Making the S4+ with BM1382 was silly, but they did it anyway and made serious profits.

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Quote from: spazzdla on September 11, 2015, 08:04:45 AM

Quote from: QuintLeo on September 11, 2015, 05:01:07 AM

I doubt they'd move to 5V power supply.
12V is far more common and available.

I doubt they're going to be building anything else based on the BM1384, they apparently made the S5+ units at least in part to clear out their remaining supply of those chips.

Making it with BM1384 would be silly.

But if it makes the profit I doubt they care if it sounds silly. They are going to care more about what it makes.

A lot would have said keeping 28NM for S7 was silly but they did it anyways as more profit. Likely they could have went down in NM and had even more efficiency. But they know the 28NM made more money for them.

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Quote from: QuintLeo on September 11, 2015, 05:01:07 AM

I doubt they'd move to 5V power supply.
12V is far more common and available.

I doubt they're going to be building anything else based on the BM1384, they apparently made the S5+ units at least in part to clear out their remaining supply of those chips.

Making it with BM1384 would be silly.

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I suggested 5V as BM1385 is designed for string supply with built in level shifters, and has the benefit of lower cost with no need for a Buck Converter. 5V gave a convenient number of chips.

We will see, however I have this feeling that the only "Home" product we are likely to see is the Mining Router.

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I doubt they'd move to 5V power supply.
12V is far more common and available.

I doubt they're going to be building anything else based on the BM1384, they apparently made the S5+ units at least in part to clear out their remaining supply of those chips.

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So take 8 x BM1385 in a string. 0.6V Core Voltage, 5V supply.

Chips will take about 31W, add a bit for LDO and other electronics, say 40W total. Would Give 170GH/S

Or is this a U5, U4 having the BM1384?

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More likely around 130 GH, given previous U series form factor - but they've changed things up before.

They'd have to price them VERY low to sell any though.

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I hope they do. And also take that minimum order you had to do.

I don't see them stopping making the U models. Then again I though all odd miners of theirs would have two blades. So they might surprise me.

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Ruu \o/

And hopefully it won't be another steaming pile of shit like the U3 was.

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That would sell! Quite well.

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200 Ghs/ 50w ?!?!?!

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