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Topic: BITMIXCOIN.IO scam confirmed: 16+ Bitcoin stolen (Read 1096 times)

LoyceV

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 25, 2018, 07:32:21 AM

I've submitted a Domain abuse complaint with namecheap earlier anyway.

Thanks! If this is their doing, I'm impressed!
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I don't know if they can "repossess" .io domains, or just take the site offline until it moves to a different host.
I'll leave the thread open for other victims to report in.

Lutpin

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 25, 2018, 07:25:13 AM

The domain is registered through namecheap.com

I've submitted a Domain abuse complaint with namecheap earlier anyway.
Previously done so with Giveawayethereum.win and it was handled quickly, though that was a more clearly cut case, as they were hosting an illegal ponzi scheme.
We'll see how/if they handle this case.

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Quote from: cruso on June 25, 2018, 06:48:27 AM

Is there no way to report them and have the website taken down? Not everybody will read this thread.

I don't think there's much we can do about it. The domain is registered through namecheap.com:

Code:

$ whois bitmixcoin.io
Domain Name: BITMIXCOIN.IO
Registry Domain ID: D503300000045288201-LRMS
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.namecheap.com
Registrar URL: www.namecheap.com
Updated Date: 2017-11-05T20:34:09Z
Creation Date: 2017-09-06T16:19:06Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2018-09-06T16:19:06Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date:
Registrar: NameCheap, Inc
Registrar IANA ID: 1068
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.6613102107
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registrant Organization: WhoisGuard, Inc.
Registrant State/Province: Panama
Registrant Country: PA
Name Server: DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
Name Server: DNS2.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-06-25T12:20:14Z <<<

Namecheap.com shows: How to Report a Fraudulent Website to a Registrar, but I highly doubt they'll act on it.
I don't want to send them someone else's Letter of Guarantee, and I doubt they'd be willing to verify those to confirm the theft.

StImelda

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One cannot be too careful when we when it comes to investing in ICOs or in crypto-related projects.16 Bitcoins is a lot.I just wished that in some how there is a way he can recover those bitcoin back.I read other peoples comments,it seem the experience is similar.

cruso

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Quote from: alanweber885 on June 25, 2018, 06:46:18 AM

Bitmixcoin.io is SCAM - I sent 1.2BTC 4 days ago

Is there no way to report them and have the website taken down? Not everybody will read this thread.

alanweber885

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Bitmixcoin.io is SCAM - I sent 1.2BTC 4 days ago

LoyceV

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 05:02:31 PM

So, once again:

- Why did you claim to have not received the 16 BTC, when clearly you did?
- What verification have you received to agree to change the receiving address for $100k worth of BTC?
- Do you really believe bitcoin signed messages can be easily faked? If so, can you give us an example, eg sign a message from an address I give you?

Quote from: marlboroza on June 20, 2018, 05:26:26 PM

I was pointing at changing the story (haven't received bitcoins- received bitcoins).

Isn't this just the typical scammer making up random lies hoping a few more people will believe him and fall victim to his scam too?

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Quote from: marlboroza on June 20, 2018, 05:26:26 PM

I was pointing at changing the story (haven't received bitcoins- received bitcoins).
Also, there is "user has never sent us email" VS "we settled everything via email".

Maybe bitmixcoin can show us emails(in case user never shows up)?

Emails are actually easy manipulated, unlike bitcoin signed messages. (though the headers would be incorrect, but I *think* you can manually edit the header if the email is controlled by you to make it appear legit)

marlboroza

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 04:07:52 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on June 20, 2018, 04:00:34 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 03:26:05 PM

We fixed everything with the user,

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 02:19:53 PM

We haven't received those 16 bitcoins.

I don't get it. You fixed everything even thought you didn't receive 16 bitcoins. Nah, I still don't get it.
Did you or did you not receive 16 bitcoins from user?

They did, according to the letter of guarantee I have been forwarded.
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Lutpin

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: DarkStar_ on June 20, 2018, 04:49:54 PM

Looks like BitSler employees and Crypto-Games employees are also going "rouge"

Just for the record, CG is useless when it comes to mixing, do not attempt to mix your coins via crypto.games
I much prefer bitblender.io for that purpose.
(I'm taking a piss here, in case it wasn't obvious. gamble wherever you want and mix your coins where you feel comfortable doing so)

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:24:19 PM

You pointed out decent possibilities however if his email address was hacked we will cover his 16 bitcoins lost.
We took a huge risk only for this specific deposit since chipmixer employee went rouge on us.

Can we stop dismissing valid concerns and provable points by the fact they are being pointed out by person X or person Y.
What is said should be more important than who it is that says it.

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You still haven't answered the question. Why did you lie about the fact that you received 16 BTC from said user:

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 02:19:53 PM

We haven't received those 16 bitcoins.

If you didn't receive those 16 bitcoins why are you refunding him now without any objections? Or, more likely, why were you previously denying the fact that you received money from the user, when clearly it can be seen on the letter of guarantee that he has deposited it? Also, why did you make comments about how the letter of guarantee could be easily manipulated at the start of this accuastion instead of trying to address the situation sooner?

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 10:04:20 AM

the latter of guarantee easily can be manipulated

Anyways, don't think that everyone's on you just because of Chipmixer. It's because you are a shady business.

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Looks like BitSler employees and Crypto-Games employees are also going "rouge" Undecided

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Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:24:19 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 04:17:14 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:11:16 PM

The user has told us to deposit to other address via email, for security reasons we wont reveal this address.

What kind of verification did you ask from the user before you were willing to change their destination address for $100k worth of bitcoin?
If I send BTC to you for the purpose of mixing them, I expect them to reach their destination specified in the letter of guarantee, not be intercepted during the mixing and be rerouted.
With changing the destination you did break your own letter of guarantee. I hope you are aware of what a dangerous precedence you are setting here.

What if for example their email was hacked and you were not communicating with the user that had originally deposited those funds to your mixer?
You're taking a huge risk by letting users change from addresses which you have signed.

Disclaimer: I have a working relationship with bitblender.io, my opinions are my own, and you can insult me for either of those two things as much as you like.

Forget chipmixer, cryptomixer and etc...
Prove your "truthfulness" as soon as possible or it proves that you are trying to catch another victim. You have no argument to insult me for any mixer here but if you see I was positive on you.
Chipmixer has to do nothing on your huge risk, prove everything ASAP! And if you are true, your neg will be removed, don't worry.

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Disclaimer: I (also) have a working relationship with ChipMixer. Opinions are my own.

Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 04:17:14 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:11:16 PM

The user has told us to deposit to other address via email, for security reasons we wont reveal this address.

What kind of verification did you ask from the user before you were willing to change their destination address for $100k worth of bitcoin?

Mind answering this question?

Also, how would he/she prove that their email was hacked? Wouldn't it be easy for said customer to simply claim his email was hacked and profit 16 BTC. (all assuming this isn't BS). It seems like you did not request anything provable such as a signed message from the address the funds were supposed to be forwarded to. There is no place on the site where you can submit your email before mixing.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:24:19 PM

That's an incredibly stupid risk (if true) when you could have just sent the 16 BTC to the correct address, and be done with things.

Also fyi there are currently 59 members in the ChipMixer signature campaign. LoyceV is one of them.

BITMIXCOIN.IO

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 04:17:14 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:11:16 PM

The user has told us to deposit to other address via email, for security reasons we wont reveal this address.

Disclaimer: I have a working relationship with bitblender.io, my opinions are my own, and you can insult me for either of those two things as much as you like.

Lutpin

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:11:16 PM

The user has told us to deposit to other address via email, for security reasons we wont reveal this address.

Disclaimer: I have a working relationship with bitblender.io, my opinions are my own, and you can insult me for either of those two things as much as you like.

BITMIXCOIN.IO

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 20, 2018, 04:12:57 PM

Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 04:07:52 PM

I can confirm, the user deposited 16BTC to an address signed by bitmixcoin.io and the funds have not yet reached to target destination also signed by bitmixcoin.io

Thanks, please tag.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:11:16 PM

The user has told us to deposit to other address via email, for security reasons we wont reveal this address.
We asked the user to connect and verify it.

I call BS.

I call chipmixer employee/admin.

LoyceV

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 04:07:52 PM

I can confirm, the user deposited 16BTC to an address signed by bitmixcoin.io and the funds have not yet reached to target destination also signed by bitmixcoin.io

Thanks, please tag him.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 04:11:16 PM

The user has told us to deposit to other address via email, for security reasons we wont reveal this address.
We asked the user to connect and verify it.

I call BS.

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 04:07:52 PM

Quote from: marlboroza on June 20, 2018, 04:00:34 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 03:26:05 PM

We fixed everything with the user,

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 02:19:53 PM

We haven't received those 16 bitcoins.

I don't get it. You fixed everything even thought you didn't receive 16 bitcoins. Nah, I still don't get it.
Did you or did you not receive 16 bitcoins from user?

They did, according to the letter of guarantee I have been forwarded.
I've verified said letter (was expecting a PGP, but apparently they only use bitcoin signed messages, meh),
and the deposit address signed in that letter has received a ~16BTC transaction over a week before bitmixcoin.io claimed to NOT have received the btc.

I can confirm, the user deposited 16BTC to an address signed by bitmixcoin.io and the funds have not yet reached to target destination also signed by bitmixcoin.io

The user has told us to deposit to other address via email, for security reasons we wont reveal this address.
We asked the user to connect and verify it.

Lutpin

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: marlboroza on June 20, 2018, 04:00:34 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 03:26:05 PM

We fixed everything with the user,

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 02:19:53 PM

We haven't received those 16 bitcoins.

I don't get it. You fixed everything even thought you didn't receive 16 bitcoins. Nah, I still don't get it.
Did you or did you not receive 16 bitcoins from user?

I can confirm, the user deposited 16BTC to an address signed by bitmixcoin.io and the funds have not yet reached to target destination also signed by bitmixcoin.io

marlboroza

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Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 03:26:05 PM

We fixed everything with the user,

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 02:19:53 PM

We haven't received those 16 bitcoins.

I don't get it. You fixed everything even thought you didn't receive 16 bitcoins. Nah, I still don't get it.

Did you or did you not receive 16 bitcoins from user?

LoyceV

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 03:29:08 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 03:26:05 PM

We fixed everything with the user

It's easy for you to say, but would you provide some proof of that, or ideally have the user themselves confirm that?

It's the typical scammer: pretending there's nothing wrong, hoping for another victim.
The receiving address is still empty. No surprise there.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 10:00:34 AM

Please publish the letter of guarantee, which pretty easily can be manipulated or faked.

Sorry, you're saying it is easy to spoof/fake PGP signed messages?

It kinda depends on his mood:

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Quote from: LoyceV on June 18, 2018, 02:17:07 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 02:12:27 PM

It is so funny, all of your replies you're trying to make us look bad and in the first opportunity you're jumping and accusing us.

Sure, let's ignore the signed message that proves 16 Bitcoin disappeared.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 10:00:34 AM

Please publish the letter of guarantee, which pretty easily can be manipulated or faked.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on September 10, 2017, 07:53:10 AM

We generate digitally signed proof (Letter of Guarantee) for every order. So when you send us bitcoins to be mixed, you have a proof that incoming address has truly been generated by our server.

funny guy

if it is easily manipulated or faked, why would you use this signed message method as a "Letter of Guarantee" in the first place?

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If the above statement by bitmixcoin.io is wrong and you still need someone to tag their account, forward the letter of guarantee to me.

Done! Please confirm here.

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Little piece of advice here, btw: You are not building a strong image for your brand with the way you talk.
I'd expect something better from a public representative for a service supposedly trusted with several thousand btc each week.

It sounds just like any other busted scammer on this site.

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Quote from: Lutpin on June 20, 2018, 03:29:08 PM

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 03:26:05 PM

We fixed everything with the user

It's easy for you to say, but would you provide some proof of that, or ideally have the user themselves confirm that?

If the above statement by bitmixcoin.io is wrong and you still need someone to tag their account, forward the letter of guarantee to me.

Little piece of advice here, btw: You are not building a strong image for your brand with the way you talk.
I'd expect something better from a public representative for a service supposedly trusted with several thousand btc each week.

The user will connect and verify our claims, The chipmixer employee just was looking for an option to roost us.

I can promise you, after the user will verify our claims still no one will remove our negative feedbacks.

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 20, 2018, 03:26:05 PM

We fixed everything with the user

It's easy for you to say, but would you provide some proof of that, or ideally have the user themselves confirm that?

Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 10:00:34 AM

Please publish the letter of guarantee, which pretty easily can be manipulated or faked.

Sorry, you're saying it is easy to spoof/fake PGP (or in your case bitcoin) signed messages?

Disclaimer: I have a working relationship with bitblender.io, my opinions are my own, and you can insult me for either of those two things as much as you like.

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We fixed everything with the user, LoyceV, Good luck working with chipmixing.

This thread is nothing.

marlboroza

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Bitmixer's clone took back escrowed funds because they gained "enough trust" and they stole 19BTC. Well played.

I hope they will return money, but that probably won't happen because they said they never received bitcoins.
This community has to wake up.

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I like how on the thread, they say that it's because LoyceV is an employee of Chipmixer (which isn't even the case) that he is somehow just creating all this drama, while completely disregarding the fact that the relevant proof is there and verified.

Safe to say that looking from their attitude alone, this is probably just an exit scam and they're trying to prolong the lifespan of it by getting in as many deposits as possible.

Claiming that they haven't received anything while there is evidence verified by both Vod and LoyceV is almost comical.

But anyways, be safe out there. Plenty of scam mixers, and always make sure you research on the newest reviews before you use any mixer.

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Quote from: shield132 on June 19, 2018, 02:49:35 PM

If I remember correctly their plan was absolutely different and suddenly owner changed it.

I'm pretty sure an exit scam was the plan all along.

Quote from: MrSpider on June 20, 2018, 01:27:01 PM

I am missing coins too.

My ~0.03 BTC I tumbled yesterday evening haven't been sent to the deposit address.
I did use their service previously without any problems.

I have sent my letter of guarantee to LoyceV to verify.

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If I remember correctly their plan was absolutely different and suddenly owner changed it. He waa claiming that escrow would grew from 10 bitcoin to 100 bitcoin once they become famous. But he got escrow back and claimed they were famous and it wasn't needed.
There is no doubt it's an exit scam, they just won in time too, no one looks everytime what's happening in their ANN thread.

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I have read the letter of guarantee so I can confirm that an address posted by bitmixcoin.io was sent 16+ btc.

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Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 10:00:34 AM

Please publish the letter of guarantee, which pretty easily can be manipulated or faked.

Please enlighten me how to fake a Bitcoin signed message.

Just in case, let me archive your address 1BiTmixiWvteyHDNC8oZ9H2DvQFU7GwQPp :
https://web.archive.org/web/20180618152100/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2165755.140
https://web.archive.org/web/20180618152139/https://bitmixcoin.io/start.php

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Please publish the letter of guarantee, which pretty easily can be manipulated or faked.

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Quote from: BITMIXCOIN.IO on June 18, 2018, 07:35:22 AM

ChipMixer employee publish scam accusations on us, how surprising...

I'm not an employee of ChipMixer, and my signature has nothing to do with this. Then again, you know that already.

Quote from: LoyceV on June 14, 2018, 01:10:20 AM

Proof of Payment:
In my posession, if tobericher allows it I'll ask escrow zazarb to confirm it too.

I haven't heard back from tobericher anymore, so I've asked Vod if I can forward the Letter of Guarantee to him to confirm the scam.

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ChipMixer employee publish scam accusations on us, how surprising...

We never scammed anyone you can take your bullshit accusations somewhere else.
Post an evidence or begone to chipmixer.

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Quote from: magneto on June 14, 2018, 03:31:52 PM

I think that we should give Bitmixcoin some more time to respond, though, before labelling this as a scam.

Agreed. But until they respond, my red trust serves at a warning, and I'd gladly remove it if things are sorted out.

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But 4 days already elapsed since the deposit of the victim, so it goes without saying that it's safer to just not use their service at all for the time being.

Hence my red warning.

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I do hope that this is not an exit scam simply because of the fact that there will likely be many more victims that will have to suffer as a result, and the amounts are going to end up being extremely big.

However, the correlation between the time when escrow is withdrawn by Bitmixcoin, and when the 16 BTC deposit was essentially delayed for 5+ days with apparently no competent support is too good to be a coincidence. The whole escrow thing by zazarb may have just been a thing done to falsely gain trust of people, since what good is that if they are able to withdraw that 5 BTC escrow at any time?

I think that we should give Bitmixcoin some more time to respond, though, before labelling this as a scam. But 4 days already elapsed since the deposit of the victim, so it goes without saying that it's safer to just not use their service at all for the time being.

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What happened:
Five days ago, user tobericher (=the victim) deposited 16 Bitcoin to BITMIXCOIN.IO (=the scammer).
A few hours later, escrow zazarb announced that he returned the 5 Bitcoin escrow he was holding for Bitmixcoin.
Yesterday, user tobericher posted for the first time, claiming his email about his 16 Bitcoin deposit was ignored by Bitmixcoin.
Today, tobericher emailed me his Letter of Guarantee, which I've verified to be authentic. I can confirm he sent 16 Bitcoin to Bitmixcoin's deposit address, and never received his mixed coins.

Scammers Profile Link:
BITMIXCOIN.IO

Reference Link:
Start reading from here

Amount Scammed:
16 Bitcoin, but if this is an exit scam, the total will go up much more. They claimed their weekly mixed amount was around 2500 Bitcoin.

Payment Method:
Bitcoin

Proof of Payment:
In my posession, verified by me, confirmed by Vod and confirmed by Lutpin.

Additional Notes:
The timing looks very much like an exit scam: wait until a big deposit comes in, take back the escrowed amount, and stop withdrawals.
~~If this is a technical glitch~~, please send the funds to the right address and I'll confirm that here.
It's not a technical glitch, scammer BITMIXCOIN.IO denies having received the deposit.

Side Note:
I didn't trust them from the start, but there was no evidence yet Sad