I've talked to the developer of Bitvest (Zodiac) finally and he says they will look into implementing a nonce based system in the future.
So I guess for now as long as you manually change your client seed to something random after each bet (Don't use the random one they give you) The provably fair mechanism still basically works.. But if you use both generated rolls then it is possibly game-able. Not saying its being done but it *could* be done.
Topic: Bitvest.io provably fair rigging (Read 830 times)
Anyone but lightlord is going to reply here, even if you wait for over an year
Have you spoken about this to lightlord ? You could have tried sending him a pm first before opening this thread.They have couple of successful websites like 777coin but anyway you're issues seems considerable .I have not been betting there since quite a long time.You can try posting this in their official thread for lightlord to see.
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It means that they have time to pre-generate the next seeds you will use. Giving them a chance to give you sets of client/server seed combos that would ultimately lead to your bust. Most gamblers stick to a system or pattern when they roll, and given that the server and client seeds are changed for you, every roll, by THEIR systems, leaves anyone gambling on the site open to roll manipulation all while hiding under the disguise of a provably fair system.
We provide the hash of the next server seed we will use before receiving the player seed, therefore we cannot compute seeds after having knowledge of the client seed
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The only way this sort of "provably fair system" would in fact be fair at all is if the user takes his time to re-enter a client seed of his own choice (Not the rigged one the server could give you) after EVERY roll. And let's be honest here, Most gamblers aren't even going to bother checking the seeds..
The server doesn't give you a "rigged" client seed, or any client seed at all. The client seed is generated using javascript by the client.
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When I brought this up their moderators were extremely defensive and I believe one of their moderators/admins basically threatened to mute me for claiming the site was a scam without evidence.. Between the signature campaign payouts being botched recently and now the provable fair system being found to be exploitable by the developer, I would have a serious look at the site before you consider using it.
I was very transparent and completely explained how our system works, and the only potential flaws that exist, nobody threatened you, nor did anyone mute you.
I stopped using the site when the staff gave me a demotion for nothing at all but i do remember seeing you all over the place promoting your referral link for the site.
What made you turn against them? Something had to happen for you to even bring this up
What made you turn against them? Something had to happen for you to even bring this up
Not turned against them at all.. Simply stating that the provably fair system is infact gameable by the developers.
I stopped using the site when the staff gave me a demotion for nothing at all but i do remember seeing you all over the place promoting your referral link for the site.
What made you turn against them? Something had to happen for you to even bring this up
What made you turn against them? Something had to happen for you to even bring this up
Has anyone else looked at this site?
Any weigh in from lightlord?
Any weigh in from lightlord?
Bump for visibility as well as reserved for later comments.
Would be nice if lightlord or zodiac weighed in on this.
Your moderators threatening to ban me when I brought this up put a more than nasty taste in my mouth.
Would be nice if lightlord or zodiac weighed in on this.
Your moderators threatening to ban me when I brought this up put a more than nasty taste in my mouth.
Hey guys something very disturbing has come to my attention while using the site Bitvest.io.
Basically it's a BTC plinko site with investments and whatnot, but on further investigations I've come to see that the provably fair system they have in place could easily be used to manipulate gambler's roll outcomes causing them to lose. Further details below.
The way the site works by design is that after every bet the client seed and the server seed hashes are changed and supplied by the server...
What does this mean?
It means that they have time to pre-generate the next seeds you will use. Giving them a chance to give you sets of client/server seed combos that would ultimately lead to your bust. Most gamblers stick to a system or pattern when they roll, and given that the server and client seeds are changed for you, every roll, by THEIR systems, leaves anyone gambling on the site open to roll manipulation all while hiding under the disguise of a provably fair system.
The only way this sort of "provably fair system" would in fact be fair at all is if the user takes his time to re-enter a client seed of his own choice (Not the rigged one the server could give you) after EVERY roll. And let's be honest here, Most gamblers aren't even going to bother checking the seeds..
Let alone notice that the client AND server seed are both given to him, every roll. This is not provably fair at all.
When I brought this up their moderators were extremely defensive and I believe one of their moderators/admins basically threatened to mute me for claiming the site was a scam without evidence.. Between the signature campaign payouts being botched recently and now the provable fair system being found to be exploitable by the developer, I would have a serious look at the site before you consider using it.
I'm not directly accusing lightlord of being a scammer at this point, Perhaps this is an oversight in his coding.
But as it sits at the moment this site could very easily be rigging users rolls. And looking at the sites stats you could see how they might be./
Basically it's a BTC plinko site with investments and whatnot, but on further investigations I've come to see that the provably fair system they have in place could easily be used to manipulate gambler's roll outcomes causing them to lose. Further details below.
The way the site works by design is that after every bet the client seed and the server seed hashes are changed and supplied by the server...
What does this mean?
It means that they have time to pre-generate the next seeds you will use. Giving them a chance to give you sets of client/server seed combos that would ultimately lead to your bust. Most gamblers stick to a system or pattern when they roll, and given that the server and client seeds are changed for you, every roll, by THEIR systems, leaves anyone gambling on the site open to roll manipulation all while hiding under the disguise of a provably fair system.
The only way this sort of "provably fair system" would in fact be fair at all is if the user takes his time to re-enter a client seed of his own choice (Not the rigged one the server could give you) after EVERY roll. And let's be honest here, Most gamblers aren't even going to bother checking the seeds..
Let alone notice that the client AND server seed are both given to him, every roll. This is not provably fair at all.
When I brought this up their moderators were extremely defensive and I believe one of their moderators/admins basically threatened to mute me for claiming the site was a scam without evidence.. Between the signature campaign payouts being botched recently and now the provable fair system being found to be exploitable by the developer, I would have a serious look at the site before you consider using it.
I'm not directly accusing lightlord of being a scammer at this point, Perhaps this is an oversight in his coding.
But as it sits at the moment this site could very easily be rigging users rolls. And looking at the sites stats you could see how they might be./
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