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July 09, 2024, 08:23:44 PM
#35
$BOME has good potential but not like $PEPE because PEPE is based on a very popular meme narrative worldwide, while BOME isn't used anywhere but is derived from different meme icons. PEPE mostly doesn't need any marketing to gain popularity like BOME does, because PEPE is already a popular meme.
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July 09, 2024, 02:19:45 PM
#34
I think buying any coin, even with your eyes closed when Bitcoin is strong, you'll definitely make a profit Grin . Don't forget to do some research before buying coins that are just for fun / meme coins .
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June 23, 2024, 09:53:58 PM
#33
I think now is the right time to buy BOME because currently the price is experiencing a slight decline, even though as we know BOME is one of the memecoins that is currently booming, in my opinion the memecoin that is worth investing in is the memecoin that is currently popular and liked by many people ,

BOME Coin is the most dumping in the current market.  I bought BOME Coin during the pumping period, but now it is the most dumping. But buy BOME Coin to get more profit, and you can invest in any Altcoin you want at your own risk. Of course you can reap huge benefits, but you have to leverage your experience to reap the benefits, that's for sure.
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June 23, 2024, 05:35:15 AM
#32
Quote from: Essential10
The names of several meme coins are heard around, one of them is Bome coin. Many people are attracted to invest in this coin, not much optimistic about this meme coin because I have never invested in meme coin before. Now maybe pumping coins for short term but its not suitable for long term investment for me. But if someone wants to invest in short period of time with big risk then you invest in your personal decision.

Well, nothing wrong of making Bome coin your choice in this season, because there are some evidence that show it will going to do more in the favour of their investors in the future, and to allow those that invested few months ago to achieve income when the bullish season appear soon. I think, many investors see opportunity around the coin that is attracting them to invest what they can afford to lose, and if you want to join the memecoins investors to invest, let it be for short term which is the right way to achieve income from the Bome coin. I think, every memecoins has a risk which is the reason you don't need to invest all your capital on memecoins, because anything can happen that will make the coin to disappear from the market and it will make you never to think of memecoins investment again.
Kindly can you please elaborate that what are the evidences that point towards a positive investment option for BOME. I don't see the positive signs that's why I'm in search of some positive signs so that I can make up my mind towards the investment.

If you can list some points that are strong enough to justify you stance on investment then it'll be very beneficial.
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June 21, 2024, 04:26:29 AM
#31
I think now is the right time to buy BOME because currently the price is experiencing a slight decline, even though as we know BOME is one of the memecoins that is currently booming, in my opinion the memecoin that is worth investing in is the memecoin that is currently popular and liked by many people ,
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June 12, 2024, 01:49:19 AM
#30
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.
there is already a running thread about this coin and Ithink there is no need to extend in another one
having 1 day difference from posting mate and this is written here 

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bome-would-double-soon-5497945

Not sure if I am going to purchase this project as it promised to be doubled and that is almost
a month after these thread was created .

if we are going to see another opportunity then best to do it now while the price is still cheap
but make sure that you are ready in case this does not go your way.
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June 11, 2024, 11:26:00 PM
#29
Currently BOME coin price is very low so you can buy it, even though the market of all coins including Bitcoin is slow at the moment. So now looking at any coin you will definitely want to invest to get the benefits, definitely invest because it is the ultimate dumping. Because the dumping is still waiting for the bullrun to start, it is sure to be the last market dumping before the bullrun is created.
As the price of Bitcoin has dropped over the past two days, I have seen the value of BOME Coin drop slightly. I don't think it's a huge dumping as Bitcoin is currently falling, it's not for sure that the final dumping is going to happen. I have seen a few times that the price has been pumping and then dumping again for several months. Just can't say with certainty whether a bome coin is worth buying right now but it is possible that as the market is currently trying to get a good position, can't guarantee for long term but investing in bome coin from now can pump the coin big in coming days.
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June 11, 2024, 06:58:43 PM
#28
Currently BOME coin price is very low so you can buy it, even though the market of all coins including Bitcoin is slow at the moment. So now looking at any coin you will definitely want to invest to get the benefits, definitely invest because it is the ultimate dumping. Because the dumping is still waiting for the bullrun to start, it is sure to be the last market dumping before the bullrun is created.
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June 11, 2024, 12:15:19 AM
#27


The price of BOME Coin that rose in the past is very close to recovering this year. You notice yes it is pumping dumping any altcoin with bitcoin market updown. So it is always best to check the Bitcoin market before buying any coin.

bitcoin dump causes the market mood to be worse is undeniable here, not expecting any rise anytime soon except if bitcoin has gone past $70k again, but i'm on my watch to see some coins that are dumping some of them are not only limited to meme coin like  ENA, W, meanwhile the meme coin like BOME, even WIF is having a really bad day.
the recent trendy crypto GME even dumping so hard it literally lost half of its value I guess, but its good opportunity for people that are fortunate enough to have money to invest.

good thing I was selling earlier before bitcoin even has that sudden flash dump, can't really rest when the market is in turbulence and the price is in full swing, lets see whether the price gonna dump again and if not i'm just gonna make another entry but for the long term holder out there this current price seem to be reasonable enough to hold for long term.

one thing needed to know is that meme coin sometime just rise out of the blue and currently people are still very bullish with meme coin.



$PEPE also seems interesting right now.
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June 10, 2024, 10:53:21 PM
#26
Quote from: Dunamisx
From todays market view, we can deduce that many of the altcoins are having a higher tendencies for more active performance as the master of them all which is bitcoin tends to also pumps a little bit from the early hour of the day, this was seen into active performance from other coins as ell, in which i so much strongly know that Bome is not going to be among the coins that will be left out when the other era of alts market boom begins.

I think, those are some of the significance investors have to see before taking a good decision to invest in altcoins, because the bearish season is on ground which other investors can use their opportunity very well to make sure they hold some altcoins. Since we know that when ever the price of Bitcoin is increasing other cryptocurrencies price will be increasing too, but the price of Bitcoin has decreased to $66,974 few hours ago and other altcoins has started decreasing to make other investors to start purchasing the potential altcoins of their choice. I know many investors will going to purchase some altcoins like Pepe, Dogecoin, and Solana, because they are going to increase higher in the bullish season to cause their investors to make a passive income.
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June 10, 2024, 01:17:53 PM
#25
From todays market view, we can deduce that many of the altcoins are having a higher tendencies for more active performance as the master of them all which is bitcoin tends to also pumps a little bit from the early hour of the day, this was seen into active performance from other coins as ell, in which i so much strongly know that Bome is not going to be among the coins that will be left out when the other era of alts market boom begins.
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June 10, 2024, 12:43:12 PM
#24


The price of BOME Coin that rose in the past is very close to recovering this year. You notice yes it is pumping dumping any altcoin with bitcoin market updown. So it is always best to check the Bitcoin market before buying any coin.


It's dumped back to the less than 0.011. Bitcoin is dog shit now caused by its small dump has been triggering so many tokens are dumping at the same time. Bitcoin is now back again to the 70k. Lucky how people who was able buying it back at below 0.011

Expect a massive recovery will come once bitcoin will able to break 72k. This is the main resistance of bitcoin at this moment. BTC tried to break it a few times but the resistance is too strong.

Im still accumulating more tokens atm. BTC is also pump and dump coin too. How unlucky people who bought at 0.013 coz the can't buy back at the bottom price.

BOME's chart looks very bullish for long term. I expect nothing for short term.
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June 09, 2024, 01:28:46 PM
#23
Indeed, currently memecoins like Bome are being hotly discussed among crypto users, and it is true that memecoins are experiencing an increase, but I suggest you always be careful with memecoins because I think memecoins are a toy for certain people who want to take advantage of their users. and the reality is that when there are already a lot of users, that's when the coin stops like a dead coin, the price drops a lot and that's where the users lose their assets.
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June 04, 2024, 10:45:44 PM
#22



This is the all-time chart of BOME and I can see it's sideways. It's kinda good for me to buy just incase it will go pump again but I am worried if Bitcoin dumps, for sure this random meme coin will dump too, that's why before buying I am fan to check Bitcoin first because most of the altcoins right now just correlate with Bitcoin.



The price of BOME Coin that rose in the past is very close to recovering this year. You notice yes it is pumping dumping any altcoin with bitcoin market updown. So it is always best to check the Bitcoin market before buying any coin.
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June 04, 2024, 05:02:21 AM
#21
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.

The interesting thing about bome is they have a large liquidity not being supplied to market. It's a known fact that more than 50% of it are held by different exchanges and the most prominent holding is said to be that of Binance. So there are much speculation about the future of the coin. The price has been resisting around the current price and there had not be larger movements. It did hit an all time high few days ago but the price movement tells, there could be another high movement but it's not sure how quick it would come. It's a good idea to have some Bome in your portfolio if you want to have some meme coins.
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June 03, 2024, 10:40:45 PM
#20
Quote from: Essential10
The names of several meme coins are heard around, one of them is Bome coin. Many people are attracted to invest in this coin, not much optimistic about this meme coin because I have never invested in meme coin before. Now maybe pumping coins for short term but its not suitable for long term investment for me. But if someone wants to invest in short period of time with big risk then you invest in your personal decision.

Well, nothing wrong of making Bome coin your choice in this season, because there are some evidence that show it will going to do more in the favour of their investors in the future, and to allow those that invested few months ago to achieve income when the bullish season appear soon. I think, many investors see opportunity around the coin that is attracting them to invest what they can afford to lose, and if you want to join the memecoins investors to invest, let it be for short term which is the right way to achieve income from the Bome coin. I think, every memecoins has a risk which is the reason you don't need to invest all your capital on memecoins, because anything can happen that will make the coin to disappear from the market and it will make you never to think of memecoins investment again.
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June 03, 2024, 07:05:04 AM
#19
I am skeptical about the long term but if someone wants to do it for a short term and if they can stay upto date with the market then they can go ahead with BOME but nee to consider the high risk ratio. I cannot be bothered to stay active everytime and take the stress of monitoring the market and moreover not looking for short term gains hence I wouldn't invest into BOME but others may take a try of the are willing to take huge risk in exchange of with huge profit or loss.

Feeling bullish for long term, why not?

Shiba has 14 billions marketcap, pepe has 7 billions marketcap. Bome has almost 1 billion marketcap. Expect this one to have the same marketcap like pepe. That's crazy man. Im still feeling so bullish with bome at this momen following the good chart showed by the token. It seems like that the real rally has not yet started.

BTW, you can also compare bome to the pepe caused by these tokens were the same getting listed on binance. Expect pepe whales to pump bome in the future. The chart is looking so damn good now for long term.

I have bought it at 0.0135. Expect a huge recovery to come, then it will be mooning soon. Meme token is one of the best investment so far in my life. Even bitcoin did less than what meme token does for me. Glad i have bought some meme tokens like degen or even MEW at the bottom price.

Meme token is really worthy to hold caused by it can go to the moon as soon as possible, even more than what utility tokens did in the market.

Im so bullish with all of meme tokens. Keep in your if yu wanted the big profit then take a big risk investment.
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June 03, 2024, 01:56:10 AM
#18
The names of several meme coins are heard around, one of them is Bome coin. Many people are attracted to invest in this coin, not much optimistic about this meme coin because I have never invested in meme coin before. Now maybe pumping coins for short term but its not suitable for long term investment for me. But if someone wants to invest in short period of time with big risk then you invest in your personal decision.
Many memecoins are becoming popular because many of them are pumping. But not all of them are going to last once this bull run is done. The risk is always there when people invest on it but if you are looking on it in the long term, there can be a lot of change of your mind then.
Anyone is free to invest in the short period and that's a short term kind of strategy but you will have to be patient still regardless of how long you will do it.
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June 02, 2024, 05:45:54 AM
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The names of several meme coins are heard around, one of them is Bome coin. Many people are attracted to invest in this coin, not much optimistic about this meme coin because I have never invested in meme coin before. Now maybe pumping coins for short term but its not suitable for long term investment for me. But if someone wants to invest in short period of time with big risk then you invest in your personal decision.
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June 01, 2024, 01:16:14 PM
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I am skeptical about the long term but if someone wants to do it for a short term and if they can stay upto date with the market then they can go ahead with BOME but nee to consider the high risk ratio. I cannot be bothered to stay active everytime and take the stress of monitoring the market and moreover not looking for short term gains hence I wouldn't invest into BOME but others may take a try of the are willing to take huge risk in exchange of with huge profit or loss.
I think that there is risk involved in every investment you made that's all about how you tackle those risks and how you have made calculated risks.

Risks should not be taken without any measure and remedy but there should be some backups for risks also. I hope youll be getting my point. If you'll be always looking for risk free Investments then you'll miss many opportunities and you'll end up in seeing people getting over you always. Try to take calculated risks.
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June 01, 2024, 10:43:20 AM
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I am skeptical about the long term but if someone wants to do it for a short term and if they can stay upto date with the market then they can go ahead with BOME but nee to consider the high risk ratio. I cannot be bothered to stay active everytime and take the stress of monitoring the market and moreover not looking for short term gains hence I wouldn't invest into BOME but others may take a try of the are willing to take huge risk in exchange of with huge profit or loss.
I do think that best $bome days are still to come. $227,092,599 VOL today atm 25% less than yesterday, sooner or later could go up. Obv this thinking is valid only for those that thinks that BTC will keep on rising. Otherwise better stay away from nemes.
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May 31, 2024, 11:19:50 AM
#14
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.

The best time to hold BOME Coin has passed a few days ago, you can notice that BOME Coin price was at its lowest a few days ago when the price of Bitcoin was close to 60k dollars. So it was beneficial for all the investors and in just a span of one month it has doubled its maximum growth. So if you buy in the deep market and target the bull market, if you can sell, then it will definitely be possible to make the maximum amount.
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May 31, 2024, 01:11:35 AM
#13
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.

It would be very hard for me to buy a Meme project that the market cap is more than $10 million, $BOME is more than A billion Dollar marketcap from the last time I check, can this project give 5X which I find it difficult, even at 5X the current price, it means over $5 billion Markercap for a Memes it doesn't make financial sense from risk level. I prefer to chase the next Shiba and Pepe with low market cap where 100X if possible
I have seen people who said the same thing like you when pepe's marketcap was around 1 billions dollar. Then it goes to the 7 billions marketcap. Meme token is even better compared to the so many crap utility project that were only selling gimmick rather than their usability.

So many people are also aware of this too. It's hard to accept the truth if meme token is now starting to be adopted massively. Meme token potentially to be one of most potential candidate this season.

Im still hoping that an altcoin season will be happening soon. This will be really helpful for the club. Im sure that if anyone is still feeling so optimistic with the growth of meme token.

Realistically, people thought it would never be a thing but meme token has proven them wrong.
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May 30, 2024, 11:07:42 PM
#12
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.

It would be very hard for me to buy a Meme project that the market cap is more than $10 million, $BOME is more than A billion Dollar marketcap from the last time I check, can this project give 5X which I find it difficult, even at 5X the current price, it means over $5 billion Markercap for a Memes it doesn't make financial sense from risk level. I prefer to chase the next Shiba and Pepe with low market cap where 100X if possible

Currently in 2024 the maximum number of meme coins is pumping and its market is wide. If you bought it when it was a dumping, it was ready to give you multiples of profit from the current time. Now if you can hold on to it and be more patient, I think your benefits will be greater.
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May 30, 2024, 02:08:51 PM
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I am skeptical about the long term but if someone wants to do it for a short term and if they can stay upto date with the market then they can go ahead with BOME but nee to consider the high risk ratio. I cannot be bothered to stay active everytime and take the stress of monitoring the market and moreover not looking for short term gains hence I wouldn't invest into BOME but others may take a try of the are willing to take huge risk in exchange of with huge profit or loss.
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May 30, 2024, 12:56:50 PM
#10
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.

It would be very hard for me to buy a Meme project that the market cap is more than $10 million, $BOME is more than A billion Dollar marketcap from the last time I check, can this project give 5X which I find it difficult, even at 5X the current price, it means over $5 billion Markercap for a Memes it doesn't make financial sense from risk level. I prefer to chase the next Shiba and Pepe with low market cap where 100X if possible
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May 30, 2024, 12:07:19 PM
#9
There is already an existing topic on BOME.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bome-would-double-soon-5497945
I don't think creating another topic to discuss about the same meme coin is a good idea on the speculation board. You can close this thread and be part of the discussion on the existing thread.
You are correct, there was no need for the creation of this thread because what the Op needed here is already over there so he would have made comments over that thread. But if he has other reasons or thoughts of creating this thread then no problem and he has to state it for the public so that we will not asked him to make comments I. That thread instead of this thread.


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May 30, 2024, 11:44:52 AM
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I saw a graph that looks like yes. and Bome will be ready to reach its ATH again after its first listing at its highest price of $0.0281. I think this possibility is very likely to happen.

I have also seen the same pattern several times in new coins, after a strong decline it will always be followed by a strong decline too, after which it will fall again but not as low as in the first stage, namely $0.002 of course.
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May 30, 2024, 11:32:41 AM
#7
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.
I will not say that this is the perfect time to buy but yes it can be a good investment option for the investment as the coins is almost half of its ATH and this gives a good sign of investment.

The only fear that I have in my mind is that the BTC is not performing up to the mark and thats the biggest fear while investing in meme coins. If BTc will not perform well the random memes coins drops their value thats the only concern you have to keep in your mind.
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May 29, 2024, 03:56:28 PM
#6
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.

BOME has very low marketcap compared to the pepe or even WIF. look at how good the chart is. It's still doing sideways and accumulation phase is going on. I have been aiming the 100% ROI from the current price. As long as bome can touch its ATH and it seems fine now. Things have been going very well for WIF and PEPE.

It's time for bome to moon soon. Look at the chart, it was showing that how bome is still steadily climbing up even higher than before. I think that's worthy enough to buy bome at this moment.

The chart is looking so damn good at this moment. Im expecting a good growth to come for bome as soon as possible. Don't miss the train. Prepare your bome, we moon soon!
Yes exactly what i think , i think that the bome moment is still to come and it will be massive..

sorry about opening this topic having other one about same project, didn't saw it. Too late for deletion thought.
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May 29, 2024, 03:42:41 PM
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BOME has very low marketcap compared to the pepe or even WIF. look at how good the chart is. It's still doing sideways and accumulation phase is going on. I have been aiming the 100% ROI from the current price. As long as bome can touch its ATH and it seems fine now. Things have been going very well for WIF and PEPE.

It's time for bome to moon soon. Look at the chart, it was showing that how bome is still steadily climbing up even higher than before. I think that's worthy enough to buy bome at this moment.

The chart is looking so damn good at this moment. Im expecting a good growth to come for bome as soon as possible. Don't miss the train. Prepare your bome, we moon soon!
I think a low marketcap can mean that a coin is high in risk but at the same time very profitable once we get lucky that it pumps up. ATM, it seems you are indeed lucky judging on how things are going there. May it keep up the good work and may you have sold on time or before it collapses, as we know that this is a common scenario in meme coins. Your target of recovering your ROI is 2x only from its current price, right?

So, it wouldn't take long and achievable easily as long as the momentum continues. That's good if we also own WIF and PEPE because like you said they are doing well too but let's be careful if we are planning to add more.
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May 28, 2024, 09:09:23 PM
#4
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.

BOME has very low marketcap compared to the pepe or even WIF. look at how good the chart is. It's still doing sideways and accumulation phase is going on. I have been aiming the 100% ROI from the current price. As long as bome can touch its ATH and it seems fine now. Things have been going very well for WIF and PEPE.

It's time for bome to moon soon. Look at the chart, it was showing that how bome is still steadily climbing up even higher than before. I think that's worthy enough to buy bome at this moment.

The chart is looking so damn good at this moment. Im expecting a good growth to come for bome as soon as possible. Don't miss the train. Prepare your bome, we moon soon!
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May 28, 2024, 08:07:51 PM
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This is the all-time chart of BOME and I can see it's sideways. It's kinda good for me to buy just incase it will go pump again but I am worried if Bitcoin dumps, for sure this random meme coin will dump too, that's why before buying I am fan to check Bitcoin first because most of the altcoins right now just correlate with Bitcoin.
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May 28, 2024, 06:15:08 PM
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There is already an existing topic on BOME.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bome-would-double-soon-5497945
I don't think creating another topic to discuss about the same meme coin is a good idea on the speculation board. You can close this thread and be part of the discussion on the existing thread.
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May 28, 2024, 09:32:14 AM
#1
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/pepe-time-to-buy-now-5452520 After watching this topic about $pepe i reaaly want to know your opinions on $Bome that btw is hard growing today even with BTC reversal. I think that it has same potential than $pepe but is still in early stages.
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