Bonus abuse or matched betting? What do you think about?

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Quote from: Gianluca95 on June 17, 2022, 01:57:42 PM

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I like to share with you a question that I've in my mind since many days. I've read some thread here which talks about Bonus abusing and I've also partecipated in it.

What do you think about matched betting and the difference with bonus abusing?

As I've read, matched betting is something that many users do with success and made some earnings that in some cases are important.

In my opinion bonus abusing is something that doesn't respect TOS while instead matched betting does it.

And what is your opinion?

To me the difference is clear, those which use matched betting take advantage of the many bonuses given by the casinos to make bets that always win, this is a variation of arbitrage betting and it can be done within the terms of service of all casinos, however bonus abuse happens when people get several accounts in the same casino which are controlled by them or other accomplices, taking advantage of the generous offers given by the casinos, this is against their terms of service and once they are caught their accounts will be closed immediately.

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Quote from: PX-Z on June 18, 2022, 06:29:53 PM

Quote from: Gianluca95 on June 17, 2022, 01:57:42 PM

In my opinion bonus abusing is something that doesn't respect TOS while instead matched betting does it.

They are two different thing, bonus abusing is obviously technically illegal, that once observed and detected the account will be subject for termination, worst to lock its funds too. While matched betting is technically on the other way around. But still depends on the terms of the free bets, if theres no terms that prohibits such doings then you can match bet.
Sometimes you need to read and understand the rules and terms for free bet as well not just the tos of the games/website.

at least the player is spending his own money in matched betting. for me, this is fine as long as you are following the rules of the site when it comes to betting. but with bonus abuse, you are literally going up against the site's ToS. and yes, as said by TelolettOm, form of cheating.
with matched betting, you are just making sure that you won't lose a lot with your bet money. in my opinion, so long you are not breaking the rules, you are more than happy to bet what you want.

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Quote from: Gianluca95 on June 17, 2022, 01:57:42 PM

In my opinion bonus abusing is something that doesn't respect TOS while instead matched betting does it.

It does not only not respect the TOS but is also detrimental to the gambling platform itself and this is a form of cheating. And unfortunately, this happens a lot, especially in some new gambling platforms that may not understand this kind of fraudulent existence. And this is finally a note for all gambling platforms to always check and evaluate the bonus program given so that it is right on target and is not used as a fraud project.
But if we are talking like this to the fraud people, they will not care about the TOS or whatever, they only care about earning more money

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Quote from: Gianluca95 on June 17, 2022, 01:57:42 PM

In my opinion bonus abusing is something that doesn't respect TOS while instead matched betting does it.

They are two different thing, bonus abusing is obviously technically illegal, that once observed and detected the account will be subject for termination, worst to lock its funds too. While matched betting is technically on the other way around. But still depends on the terms of the free bets, if theres no terms that prohibits such doings then you can match bet.
Sometimes you need to read and understand the rules and terms for free bet as well not just the tos of the games/website.

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Quote from: Gianluca95 on June 18, 2022, 01:50:14 PM

Quote from: decodx on June 18, 2022, 10:50:17 AM

Matched betting, essentially means players make bets, but make them against themselves, which gives them a chance of winning even if they do not get the best win rates.

Bonus abuse is when a player makes multiple accounts to get freebies such as just for being a registered user. This is how they increase their chances of winning without using real money.

I wouldn't be so sure because it is two temathic that are really similar, because Matched betting could turn in Bonus Abuse easily because you're playing in speculative mode only to take your bonus, and bonus abusing is

something of very similar. I've also seen that many bookmaker are really sensitive to this argument, so, they lock every player if they see something of strange in the mode of play. That's why I've asked this question to you Grin

Ah, I understand what you mean. They can be connected. For example, bonus can be used when matched betting and it can be considered abuse.

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Quote from: Gozie51 on June 18, 2022, 10:01:03 AM

The matched betting and bonus abuse are both different things. The betting is regarding the player who is doing everything possible within him to have a win or at worse get back the account of his total bet. In this he can decide to bet on different places on same game or more games, he does this to get on win but bonus abuse can be a violation of the casino TOS if it is stated. If the gambler tries to get more bonus than ordinarily the particular one he is entitled to then he is abusing the system. He can do this by having multiple sign up either through friends or other means. It is an abuse if the rules is stated against multiple sign up.

Indeed they are two different things. Matched Betting is a kind of Bonus abuse where it is done through organized planning to take advantage of sign-up bonuses and promotional bonuses of different bookmakers, while, Bonus abuse is an umbrella of Matched Betting is a process where the player does fraud just to exploit or take advantage of bonuses such as free spins, no deposit bonuses, and more.

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Quote from: decodx on June 18, 2022, 10:50:17 AM

Matched betting, essentially means players make bets, but make them against themselves, which gives them a chance of winning even if they do not get the best win rates.

Bonus abuse is when a player makes multiple accounts to get freebies such as just for being a registered user. This is how they increase their chances of winning without using real money.

I wouldn't be so sure because it is two temathic that are really similar, because Matched betting could turn in Bonus Abuse easily because you're playing in speculative mode only to take your bonus, and bonus abusing is

something of very similar. I've also seen that many bookmaker are really sensitive to this argument, so, they lock every player if they see something of strange in the mode of play. That's why I've asked this question to you Grin

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Matched betting is legal you get a chance to beat the bookies with risk a free and also AFAIK gambling industry has no problem with that because gamblers place bets before with their money, but bonus abuse is illegal breaking the policy with multiple accounts is ridiculous. A very striking difference is their account, how can one person have hundreds of identities and only take bonuses from promotions etc.

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For bounty abuse we all knew there is something wrong with the new casinos, some of them are trying their best to eliminate cheating, but our reality is that they are still struggling to do so. Lately we have seen how many cheaters were banned from the casinos and some casino operators even urged other gambling communities to implement programs and policies regarding such incidents!! As for the matching bet, I don't think it's against the rules because matching bets are not 100% effective in the long run.

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Most gambling platforms consider matched betting inefficient, most are not explicit and restrict the system, rival factors alone make for a suitable bet type or bonus abuse, because user bonus abusers always take advantage of and make free/bonus bets, with multiple accounts, regardless of their IP not being detected by the operator or bookie.

To my knowledge most gambling platforms they always do: How to Prevent iGaming Fraud, with the reason that bookies always lose, many gambling platforms don't allow an explicit system of matched bets.

If you stay safe without being detected by the bookie making a Matched Bet, you can access to have a chance to win on every bet, Matched bets or bonus abuse can be considered legal, but many bookies hate it.

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Matched betting, essentially means players make bets, but make them against themselves, which gives them a chance of winning even if they do not get the best win rates.

Bonus abuse is when a player makes multiple accounts to get freebies such as just for being a registered user. This is how they increase their chances of winning without using real money.

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Quote from: Distinctin on June 18, 2022, 09:06:54 AM

They are completely different as matched betting is legal and there's no risk on it IMO. @OP, care to explain or attach a link to explain about matched betting as not everyone knows about it, it's complicated to typical bettors like me IMO as we are just used to betting in sports in a regular way.

I created a thread explaining about Matched betting you can find it here: Matched Betting an In-depth Explanation

In short, matched betting is an organized placing of bet taking advantage of bookmakers sign-up and promo bonuses. This is very different than what we known bonus abuse from no deposit cash bonuses, free spins or, free games that is offered in an online casino. Matched betting is legal though, while the the known bonus abuse on casino is illegal even though they are both fraudulent in nature. It sounds great since Matched betting is legal but it is harder than we think since it needs continuous research and comparison. It also needs an accurate calculation to not messed up at the end.

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Abused is mostly because of the poor system which affects the operation of a gambling site, this also a wake up call for them to adjust the security so when they do host another promotions, it cannot be abused anymore. Gamblers have to play based on the rules, if not then expect problem later on.

The first thing that casino operators should understand is there will always bad actors, cheaters, and abusers in the gambling community, and setting up a foolproof system to weed these bad actors will benefit the casinos and the gambling community, its ok to give bonus and giveaways but you need tight security so only those who deserve to get the bonus get it and there will be no player who will get more than what others are getting.

It's really the responsibility of casinos to take control of their bonuses and promotions. They should be the ones to handle its limit because some abusive gamblers will only take advantage of it. It's fine to create bonuses and promotions to attract players but they must handle it well to balance and distribute the rewards to players fairly.

From this, we will see how good is the casino, if they can catch and ban these cheaters and abusers, there are always cheaters if there are loopholes the abusers will be tempted to cheat the system, gamblers prefer to play in a casino where they have a good system to combat cheaters, we cannot stop these cheaters they are good in abusing casino's weakness, the community will always have to deal with problems like this, but it will never end.

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Quote from: aioc on June 18, 2022, 09:20:20 AM

Quote from: Johnyz on June 18, 2022, 08:59:10 AM

Abused is mostly because of the poor system which affects the operation of a gambling site, this also a wake up call for them to adjust the security so when they do host another promotions, it cannot be abused anymore. Gamblers have to play based on the rules, if not then expect problem later on.

The first thing that casino operators should understand is there will always bad actors, cheaters, and abusers in the gambling community, and setting up a foolproof system to weed these bad actors will benefit the casinos and the gambling community, its ok to give bonus and giveaways but you need tight security so only those who deserve to get the bonus get it and there will be no player who will get more than what others are getting.

It's really the responsibility of casinos to take control of their bonuses and promotions. They should be the ones to handle its limit because some abusive gamblers will only take advantage of it. It's fine to create bonuses and promotions to attract players but they must handle it well to balance and distribute the rewards to players fairly.

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The matched betting and bonus abuse are both different things. The betting is regarding the player who is doing everything possible within him to have a win or at worse get back the account of his total bet. In this he can decide to bet on different places on same game or more games, he does this to get on win but bonus abuse can be a violation of the casino TOS if it is stated. If the gambler tries to get more bonus than ordinarily the particular one he is entitled to then he is abusing the system. He can do this by having multiple sign up either through friends or other means. It is an abuse if the rules is stated against multiple sign up.

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Quote from: aioc on June 18, 2022, 09:20:20 AM

The first thing that casino operators should understand is there will always bad actors, cheaters, and abusers in the gambling community, and setting up a foolproof system to weed these bad actors will benefit the casinos and the gambling community, its ok to give bonus and giveaways but you need tight security so only those who deserve to get the bonus get it and there will be no player who will get more than what others are getting.

Yes , honestly all those bad people are available in every game. We cannot prevent them from abusing the game bonuses, giveaways etc. but I knew that dev and team behind every project are aware for this scenario, so they need to come up with plans and just like you said they need to tighten their security because if they will not do it, it will ruin their reputation and will somehow will not make them to profit.

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Quote from: Johnyz on June 18, 2022, 08:59:10 AM

Abused is mostly because of the poor system which affects the operation of a gambling site, this also a wake up call for them to adjust the security so when they do host another promotions, it cannot be abused anymore. Gamblers have to play based on the rules, if not then expect problem later on.

The first thing that casino operators should understand is there will always bad actors, cheaters, and abusers in the gambling community, and setting up a foolproof system to weed these bad actors will benefit the casinos and the gambling community, its ok to give bonus and giveaways but you need tight security so only those who deserve to get the bonus get it and there will be no player who will get more than what others are getting.

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This article[1] probably explains in detail the matched betting as bonus abuse.
To summarize:
Matched Betting is a kind of bonus abuse done in an organized manner. It needs lots of work and research to look for a newly founded bookmaker and take advantage of its promotional bonuses. It doesn't abuse through creation of multiple accounts that makes it not illegal but rather it exploits the difference in odds and promotions between bookmakers and profits from it.

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For those unfamiliar with the idea, matched betting is a technique where people take up free bookmaker signup offers and other bonuses to back one outcome of a sporting event, then place a lay bet at a betting exchange such as Betfair. Because the back bet was essentially free, they profit whatever the outcome.

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Even so, Michael Rasmussen, head of acquisition at Panbet (Marathonbet Group), describes matched betting today as organised bonus abuse. “The whole concept of matched betting is that there is zero risk and you just extract value from offers.

[1]Matched betting: ‘bonus abuse’ costing industry £20m every month

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They are completely different as matched betting is legal and there's no risk on it IMO. @OP, care to explain or attach a link to explain about matched betting as not everyone knows about it, it's complicated to typical bettors like me IMO as we are just used to betting in sports in a regular way.

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I think match betting is much more okay or rather legal compared to bonus abuse? Match betting takes quite a lot of work and time to be able to even see the results, and afaik it's effectiveness also drops over time right? I'm not too familiar with the TOS with regards to bonus abuses or match betting though I think if you consider it, bonus abuse needs you to make multiple accounts which is already banned by casinos afaik so that already shows how it's wrong.

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Bonus abused is more on against the house while matched betting is not since those gamblers are still playing by the rules its just they encourage some of their friends to have that matched betting. Abused is mostly because of the poor system which affects the operation of a gambling site, this also a wake up call for them to adjust the security so when they do host another promotions, it cannot be abused anymore. Gamblers have to play based on the rules, if not then expect problem later on.

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In bonus abuse, this is all about the breach in the system of the gambling casino that users can get free money from their platform. if you are talking about match it is all about the number of users will bet we cannot control this depends if you have a lot of accounts and friends support the bet team for the odds, or you are meaning with the match fixing.

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This has been the problem and an ongoing problem of new and old casinos, some casinos can counter this but other casinos are falling victim to these abusers and cheaters, cheaters should not be tolerated by the gambling community, gamblers, and casino operators should weed these bad actors, both are victims here, casinos should tighten their security, cheaters will gonna cheat and will always look for loopholes.

Ongoing problem of new and old gambling sites? But the gambling sites keeps increasing in customers and making more money. If this is not done properly, like in sport and gambling games, it is possible that someome can stake differently on the same match and lose the different stakes. I do not see this as an abuse, it can be used to have some more means to win by some gamblers but it is also kind of risky too, not 100% safe to win. I have not tried this before, but the betting site I wanted to try it in the past did not even support it.

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We see complaints about accounts being prohibited and banned by the bookie that they bet for. And when being asked for the reason of it, they don't tell the real thing of what they did.

But when a casino representative replies and gives clarification to the case, it's always about the abuse and that surely have violated them. There's nothing wrong in match betting and getting the bonus but going that far and abusing the bookie, that's a wrong thing to do.

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As long as the bookies allow it then the bettor doesn't violate the ToS at all, while the abuse of the bonus is a clear violation of the ToS, and the cheaters know it's just that for them how to make money is more important than obeying the casino rules.
I've done this several times on freebitcoin in football matches because there only provides 1X2 so it's easier to choose it just by calculating it correctly so the win chance is big even though the amount it's not to big.

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Quote from: jackg on June 17, 2022, 02:20:28 PM

Bonus abusing as in making multiple accounts with the same place is obviously much more problematic but it might be more on the site owner to actually prevent it - since it's probably expected it'll be attempted.

This has been the problem and an ongoing problem of new and old casinos, some casinos can counter this but other casinos are falling victim to these abusers and cheaters, cheaters should not be tolerated by the gambling community, gamblers, and casino operators should weed these bad actors, both are victims here, casinos should tighten their security, cheaters will gonna cheat and will always look for loopholes.

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Matched betting requires tons of work. It is actually nothing illegal as you are just placing bets on a lot of bookmakers in order to profit something small. Whereas in bonus abusing, you literally try and game the system in order to get something more than the stipulated amount of the bonus provided by the casino. Better to work your butt off and release huge capitals in order to gain small amounts, and that is through matched betting. Profits are somewhat sure but will surely take more time in order to realize profits.

Am I getting matched betting wrong? Match betting is when a punter place another bet but which is free at a bookmaker. Assuming he already placed team A to win, but he got a free bet, he then placed another bet with his free bet in opposing way so that he can at least have more chance to make profit than losing.

If bonus abuse is against ToS of a gambling site, then also taking several accounts for match betting should be an abuse. But on the other hand, if only one account is used and betting on same match in opposing way is allowed, I do not think it is wrong. Or the gambling site would have disabled that from even happening on their betting platform.

That's how I understood it too. Not a very familiar with such activity, it seem making things complicated already while analyzing the skill set of team members is hard enough.

But I also don't think its wrong I have tried betting the same match the opposing way especially because there are lots of options to bet like methods of defeating an opponent in MMA. They seem to have allowed it. Have not tried the free bets however but betting $15 for the underdogs to win will give me back 50% of all the funds I've bet.

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Quote from: dothebeats on June 17, 2022, 02:28:03 PM

Matched betting requires tons of work. It is actually nothing illegal as you are just placing bets on a lot of bookmakers in order to profit something small. Whereas in bonus abusing, you literally try and game the system in order to get something more than the stipulated amount of the bonus provided by the casino. Better to work your butt off and release huge capitals in order to gain small amounts, and that is through matched betting. Profits are somewhat sure but will surely take more time in order to realize profits.

Am I getting matched betting wrong? Match betting is when a punter place another bet but which is free at a bookmaker. Assuming he already placed team A to win, but he got a free bet, he then placed another bet with his free bet in opposing way so that he can at least have more chance to make profit than losing.

If bonus abuse is against ToS of a gambling site, then also taking several accounts for match betting should be an abuse. But on the other hand, if only one account is used and betting on same match in opposing way is allowed, I do not think it is wrong. Or the gambling site would have disabled that from even happening on their betting platform.

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Bonus Abusing well it's something that players do when they make multiple accounts and at the same time they use them to get deposit bonuses and stuff, at the end of the day multiple account is already banned in most places as well and therefore most of the sites have started deleting old accounts that are not touched for ages. Other than that there are people who are definitely doing multiple betting on the same sites and sometimes they bet at the same outcome 50-50 and end up making a lot of money as well, but then again this causes problems and they would ban your account for it. At the end you just have to read the sites rules and regulations and understand that every site is different.

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Matched betting requires tons of work. It is actually nothing illegal as you are just placing bets on a lot of bookmakers in order to profit something small. Whereas in bonus abusing, you literally try and game the system in order to get something more than the stipulated amount of the bonus provided by the casino. Better to work your butt off and release huge capitals in order to gain small amounts, and that is through matched betting. Profits are somewhat sure but will surely take more time in order to realize profits.

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Imo matched betting leaves a lot of control with the bookmakers so it's fairly reasonable to do it whenever it becomes an option (they can change odds if it's done too much), it's also normally done involving multiple companies so it probably benefits some too (especially if some users are likely to gamble with their profits). I think a lot of places change odds based on demands too.

Bonus abusing as in making multiple accounts with the same place is obviously much more problematic but it might be more on the site owner to actually prevent it - since it's probably expected it'll be attempted.

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Hi guys,

I like to share with you a question that I've in my mind since many days. I've read some thread here which talks about Bonus abusing and I've also partecipated in it.

What do you think about matched betting and the difference with bonus abusing?

As I've read, matched betting is something that many users do with success and made some earnings that in some cases are important.

In my opinion bonus abusing is something that doesn't respect TOS while instead matched betting does it.

And what is your opinion?

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