Topic: Bounty FullHouse casino plagiarized the whitepaper from Shuffle (Read 871 times)

He didn't respond to my DM but what triggered me to put neg tag on his profile is- he promoted the project despite knowing the fact that fullhouse did everything shady.
I had launched a signature campaign for them and when I knew this, I instantly stepped up and paused the campaign. I expected Bountydetective to do the same.

I have checked the bounty link, and this manager has now locked it. I think he waited to lock it until the deadline for the end of the FullHouse bounty campaigns, which is June 20th, 2024. If he guarantees the payments, as Plaguedeath mentioned, we hope he will distribute them fairly to the participants who have promoted this casino since May 24th. I believe that the investors are the ones who may be dragged into this plagiarized project, and they will face these risks.

When this issue was raised, he should not have ignored the private messages from members. He should have taken some action, such as temporarily locking the bounty and being present here to discuss the matter and inform the community about what he would do to maintain his reputation. It seems that the negative trust he recently received was deserved, as he has not learned from the previous lessons since 2020.

Just like @Little Mouse did, I sent a PM to BountyDetective regarding this case when the bounty campaign was running in the second week. I don't know whether Little Mouse finally got a reply or not. but BountyDetective replied to the PM saying it was aware of the case and was in the process of discussing it with the team.

Seeing the situation, BountyDetective management will still consider continuing the bounty campaign despite the current case.
The attitude taken by BountyDetective management is not good. even if the casino ultimately proves they did nothing wrong, BountyDetective should be able to temporarily stop the bounty campaign until the problem is resolved. it would be better to encourage representatives from the casino to prove more.

Now we can see that the casino representative's account is no longer active since his last comment here. I'm sure they don't have any more evidence to defend themselves with.

He said the payment is guaranteed.

The thing is he didn't scam the participants (assuming he will distribute the reward without any problem), but he's promoting a shady project. Since flagging an account related to high risk of losing money or scamming, it just doesn't seem correct in this case, although he had many problem in the past.

I want to bump this thread since the bounty campaign is still existing and still promoting this casino. I believe that the bounty manager that keep a campaign running despite its known plagiarized project is sharing the risk to the forum member especially for the bounty campaign participants that might not get paid they run after the promotion.

I think the manager is accountable too for the risk and worthy for having an active flag. What do you think?
Campaign is still active here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5497630.0;topicseen

they are doing damage control, and a poor job at that.
and i'm 99% sure those pages showing 'page not found' were copied too.

now, imagine this dum dum, is operating a casino, one of the most difficult businesses in the crypto space, i'm sure nothing would go wrong.

If this is the case then I will say the owner is a dumb ass. In was just a matter of time to get caught and things were meant to go south. Cheap.

It is pretty clear that Fullhouse owner has tried to copy most of the things from Shuffle. Their UI is different though. I had checked their terms and AML policy to see whether they copied the rules or not. Surprisingly, their terms were unique but incomplete (a small number of rules). Now all those pages show 'page not found' message. I believe they didn't hire anyone to do the job of spy and copy-paste. The owner had intentionally done it to get the success like Shuffle casino.

its easy to put the blam on an "australian whitepaper writer", but don't worry guys they fired him now!

did you also hire an "australian designer" for the announce thread and social banners?

 

did you also hire an "australian social media manager" for your slogan?

did you also hire an "australian SMM provider" to bot your twitter posts?

 

maybe start hiring someone who is not from "Australia"?

fullshouse.gg literally copied everything from shuffle.com, whitepaper, color, designs, text, and i wonder what else?

the only things you are sorry about is that you got caught.

The part that I don't get here is they should've had at least some form of quality control, that should be the standard because if you launch it in a half-assed way, you will always end up having problem, that's why there's quality tests right? Because if there's not any of it, the finished product will be broken for a lot of people. In this case, if the developers of the website was really hired and they're not a part of the casino team, it's so unprofessional to just blatantly copy and paste other websites, this is what happens when you do your stuff without regard to any kind of professionalism and effort to the work. The only thing that tells me about this situation is that Full House is just like any other casino out there, that they're not offering anything different.

I can't get over it.

Doesn't a project write its own white paper by itself without hiring other parties? If you hire another party, of course the service provider will write a white paper that is important for them to be paid while the concept and the entire mission of the project is in the team's own mind.

Especially after the team and developers do not check again after the white paper that has been ordered.

I've seen this excuse a thousand times before in the heydays of ICO, that was your cue when he told you that he took inspiration from some other whitepapers, you should have asked where he got the inspiration and done research on the whitepaper where he gets the inspiration.

Some whitepaper writers plagiarize other projects' whitepaper it is your task to check and double-check and see to it that the whole concept of your platform is embodied in the whitepaper.
This is a serious blunder on your team that ruins everything on your platform.

It's good that you tagged him, for sure he did read your PM already and chooses to ignore and wanted to go on with the bounty obviously because he could have been paid up front by the project itself.

But we can't discount that they have plagiarized, they could have someone check the white paper and not just rely to the person that they hire to create one for them. On the other hand, they could have created one for themselves, specially the CEO since he has the deepest knowledge of the project.

It's irreversible already, the community have already cast their doubts on the project.

BountyDetective has been online few times after I had sent him the PM but he didn't reply me, neither did he respond here. He is ignoring everything for the sake of his service fee, quite ridiculous. He has a history of managing shady and questionable projects back in the days. Tagging him for ignoring all these and managing campaigns for questionable projects.

At first, you accused Shuffle team without doing any investigation. Now you are blaming the employee for doing the copy paste of whitepaper. The owner of the platform is also responsible for this controversy. I can see the lack of professionalism from the Fullhouse owner and team members. You had also copied the ANN thread image of Shuffle.com (you have replaced it with a new one now). All these things can't be a coincidence here.

You should have done it earlier before you tried to accuse Shuffle as the one who copied the things from you, that's not professional ofc.
Although you are now admitted your mistake and took some decisions, it will not be easy for you to make people forget about what you did.
It will be hard work for you to prove fullhouse is reliable project, maybe some people will doubt but if you are professional then you should be able to prove it although you may need longer time.
I think you should also apologize to Little Mouse as well as to Shuffle privately or publicly as a start

At least you have admitted on your mistakes, specially the plagiarism, and for sure you know that this community will not allow such actions and sooner or later we will find it out as there are a lot of members here who delve into the whitepaper and scrutinized it.

Hopefully, you will not just revise the wording of the whitepaper, you better get someone that will really write everything from scratch so that there will be no slight duplication is going to be found.

And kudos to you for acknowledging the error on your part and good luck to $FH token.

Hey everyone,

One of the operational folks over at Fullhouse here, pardon our slower reply. Timezone difference made it a little hard to get back to address concerns quickly here.

We will address all concerns thoroughly, and if we miss any one point made we will make sure to address that later as well.

1. The whitepaper

We hired an australian whitepaper writer and he worked closely with our internal staff to draft up all features. We pressed him on the plagiarism remarks and he did admit he took "inspiration" from a number of other whitepapers. Due to the extremely high amount of similarities though we have all agreed to make the revisions. As it has never been our aim to infringe on anyone's ideas. Do note though that all sorts of token details, DAO governance structure and other parts of the Fullhouse eco-system design are not mentioned anywhere in Shuffle's whitepaper. Our team will make sure to fire the whitepaper writer and revise the wording and structure of the whitepaper.

2. The loading spinner

The Fullhouse loading spinner showcases 5 cards that all together make up the "Full house" combination from Poker. The shuffling animation was what our designer came up with for a logical loop. We do agree it is pretty similar to the loading animation Shuffle.com has, yet our designer pleads he took no inspiration from their loading spinner. We'll stand with our designer on this point for now.

3. The website itself

Every casino website has the same aggregators/game providers. Hence the catalog of games is oftentimes very similar, and for good reason. Every platform optimizes for highest lifetime value of users and thus show similar best performing games on its homepage. While Fullhouse has been in development since 2021, and uses a proprietary tech stack, it does however simulate other well-performing platforms, simply due to the automatic ordering of games displayed based on expected earnings.

Now to conclude, we feel very sorry for all of the issues made clear here by the community, and we feel we cannot be excused for these facts. All we really can do is try and solve the issues and present a better more unique product and whitepaper as we kink out the similarities. We hope to welcome any of the players on this forum to our platform, even though it is still practically in a beta state right now. And are open to provide anyone here a special promotional code for anyone open to provide feedback, as many of you kindly have done already.

With many great features in development and a $FH token launch on the horizon, we're sure that Fullhouse should be able to find its place in this competitive market, at some point. Please stick with us.

L. - COO of Fullhouse

Let's see how BountyDetective will react, but as far as LM goes, they are guilty already and so are the overwhelming evidence against them. We can't blame LM here or any other Bitcoin paying signature campaign if ever there will be such cases in the future. The project didn't tell him and it's obvious that they did it in bad faith in copying another gambling platform whitepaper.

It's their lost already, they have been flagged and their project tainted and for sure gamblers are going to stay away from them because of this plagiarism but it seems that they didn't take it seriously.

Little Mouse has sent back signature campaign funds to Fullhouse


Maybe they don't have the right defense so they don't take it seriously here, maybe Fullhouse is aware that their casino really plagiarized from Shuffle even though they initially denied it because they said Shuffle itself did the plagiarism.

The bounty campaign has not been stopped yet, as Little Mouse sent a PM to BountyDetective to look into this case, we'll see how it goes.

Too bad for them not to acknowledge their mistakes here and they really don't know how everything works in this community that they insist to you, being their campaign manager that they haven't done anything wrong instead of just making things corrected in the first place.

Also if I may suggest that you lock the signature campaign thread and have all the discussion here.

Good decision, and thanks to the OP for making you and the community aware of this plagiarism.

Did they already send you any money for signature campaign?
Before this I saw you created new topic to announce it and than you close it after you heard about this news.
This was very uproffesiona lfrom them to copy text from other casino and BABY SHOES maybe saved some people from losing money.

I sent him a DM and asked to take a look at this thread. He hasn't been online yet.

you made the right decision. I think bounty managers who are currently still active should also do it. (has anyone told him yet?)

I don't know whether the Bounty campaign funds are in escrow, but the calculations in the spreadsheet are now entering week 2. The bounty manager does not use a stake calculation system but uses USDT/Week allocation. but it looks like payments haven't been distributed for the first week.
campaign participants must also be warned, otherwise they will not get anything.

Your reply is what exactly I said, Shuffle is indeed the original owner of this whitepaper format. What’s diabolical here is the fact that fullhouse claiming that Shuffle is the one who copy their work.  


Salute! You earned my respect for declining this clown job offer.


Supported the flag. It’s just dumb for them to stick with their claims despite all evidence was against them.

They lied to me. I asked them to acknowledge the truth but they didn't.
Paused the campaign and tagged them.

If they have no connection then surely FullHouse copied the white paper of the Shuffle or whatever I said in my first comment could be true. The writer who wrote those white papers might be the same person. The casinos often hire writer for their white paper writing and that's why they could unintentionally hire the same person.

Shuffle released that on February and Fullhouse released theirs on April, so with that, still shuffle was the one to release theirs first.

Aside from what efialtis has mentioned, the name itself of shuffle seems to be a common word that has various meaning. And we get that a lot, that some common words have been already registered as domain so it won't be surprising that the current owner of it have probably bought it from the one who had made it bak then on 1998.

Well we didn't expect that a gambling casino will copy other's white paper, and perhaps Fullhouse thought that they can get away with it. But thanks to the prying eyes of the OP to see the plagiarism and making the community aware and you suspending the signature campaign for the time being.

So let's see how it goes for them, it's a bad first step in this community. But if they are honest about it then they can admit with he mistakes and correct it right away and then maybe they can still in this very competitive niche.

Kudos to you as well for suspending the signature campaign until tell settle the issues.

I'm sorry but would you mind explaining this further? After reading your post, it sounded like you are saying Shuffle copied you and not the other way around but your current reasoning isn't really enough, so a more detailed information would be good.

This happens in pretty much every competitive online marketing niche. People/Companies like to get aged domains for multiple reasons (mostly SEO). Domain age is one of many metrics search engines take into consideration for ranking. Aged domains usually also have incoming backlinks (another important metric) and to sum it up, they are more "trusted" in Google`s eyes. If you build a project on a brand new domain, it will basically take years before you start seeing similar results (same efforts), that`s why SEOs love aged/expired domains.

flag supported, If nothing new happens within 48 hours, will tag that account.

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I have no experience in gambling, but I noticed that shuffle domain has been operating since 1998. The content of the site was completely different from the current one. Is this normal on gambling sites?

It's no doubt Fullhouse is a copycat of Shuffle.

1. Shuffle was launched on Feb 2023 while Fullhouse was launched on April 2024.

Proof:
Shuffle had archived version in Feb 2023 https://web.archive.org/web/20230201125400/https://shuffle.com/
While Fullhouse only had archived version in March 2024 https://web.archive.org/web/20240327063331/https://fullhouse.gg/

2. Has exactly same words, colors and graphic on the whitepaper. Usually few casinos have a same terms and privacy policy because they use "generated text", but having a same whitepaper is no way possible.

3. Has similar loading page.



I've tagged the representative and flagged the account https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3310

Shuffle whitepaper was launched recently last February 2024 that you can refer to this x post https://x.com/shufflecom/status/1758010545083699399?s=61.

But still Shuffle published their Whitepaper itself before full house since they just started last April same year. It’s funny how this fullhouse representative play the victim card here while it’s too obvious that they are the one who copy.

They should just admit that they use Shuffle whitepaper as based with their own and ask Shuffle permission to avoid plagiarism.

They dont have connection. I didnt know both were pretty much same until I saw this thread.

So you're saying just because Shuffle doesn't have DAO Governance that they have less information?

No!!! It's like Shuffle doesn't take part of Fullhouse, you take all of Shuffle in their white paper.

You only change from Shuffel to Fullhouse while the rest of the paragraph remains the same.
Like in the Wager-to-Vest tab Shuffle calls him Tommy while Fullhouse is Marc's.

The graphics are the same the text is the same only the name is changed?

Maybe this two casino websites are connected in some way or they are owned by the same people, but it would be best if we can hear from both Shuffle and Fullhouse.
I think one of the managers have connection with them so wait until making further accusation, but this was a good investigation from BABY SHOES.
Footer is showing different ownership information for this casinos:

I don't believe there could also be plagiarism in this regards, why is it that some people can just belittle the potential in them in thinking constructively to produce results by introducing a new thing, instead they will only covet on others achievements and success for their own work to build upon, this is not something good enough and we should encourage others by motivating them with what we have discovered and not what we have downgraded upon.

Interesting.

Based on your whitepaper, you've launched just this April of 2024 whilst for Shuffle, they've been launched in February of 2023. Since you are saying that they probably have picked a part of your whitepaper but it shouldn't be the opposite because they've launched earlier than you? and there's no way that both of you are sister company based on what you have said, so there's no connection between you and shuffle.

Exactly. What is interesting here is, maybe if any of them hired the writer of their whitepaper then that's the kind of work he had done and submitted to either of them and just did copied the format and modified it. The format are really likely so let's hear them out to get some clarity. Nice find OP.

So you're saying that Shuffle has copied some information from Fullhouse whitepaper. I believe it can be coincidence or the one who wrote the white papers for both casino might be the same person. But, if it falls into plagiarism then both casinos should talk on this topic.

I believe it's not exactly plagiarized white paper but it's written in similar formatting and that's why I believe the one who wrote the white papers might be the same person. However, if both casinos have no issue with it then it won't be bothersome of someone else. Let's see what Shuffle says about this.

Holy cow. It seems the SHFL team simply picked what they liked and ran with it, there are fewer tabs and no mention of DAOs in the Shuffle whitepaper (yet). Hence it seems that the Shuffle whitepaper has fewer information than the Fullhouse whitepaper as well, so SHFL did only pick a few things from Fullhouse and kept quiet so far on this.

I just have launched a sig camp for them. Sent a DM to them to check out this.

What happened: BountyDetective as the FullHouse bounty manager which this project does not have an official ANN on the forum, I think maybe if they make it, it will be more obvious about the casino that plagiarized the whitepaper from Shuffle casino with the same concept.

You can probably see between the two whitepapers that they are almost identical and I believe they are 100% plagiarized.

Source:
[1] https://whitepaper.fullhouse.gg/
[2] https://shfl.shuffle.com/

Bounty Thread
[3] https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-detective-fullhouse-25k-usdt-reward-pool-distributed-5497630

Some of the screenshot image evidence I've shared here is partial but if you want more clarity you can visit both whitepapers where it's clear that there are similarities.