Topic: Bounty manager (staff & merit source!) Anon11073 embezzling $4000 (Read 937 times)

I'm actually pessimistic about his future improvement... he doesn't look like reading the threads.  If he is the best member in the Japanese board, I do think the Japanese board is unnecessary.

I hope this is the true story... If the merits came from his own merit, I would be more comfortable, but they are source merits.  The fact that he exploited 30 source merits for personal uses makes me skeptical about his merits sent to me...  And from his replies, I don't think he has read the threads and leaned a lesson...

Absolutely right, I will simply forget about the merits he sent to me.

Anyway I posted the summary of these threads in the cosplay token announcement thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.36713477
since I can't send them PM.  We'll see devs notice the post and respond to it...

Bribe, the word is bribe

Merit is supposed to be used for posts worth reading. From his perspective, I can imagine your post is worth reading.
Merit isn't meant to be a "like", it's very well possible to give merits for posts you disagree with, and it's totally up to you to consider it a bribe. A simply solution is not to do favors for merit, so a possible bribe doesn't work.

@Anon11073 I'm really sorry for what I did on another thread. I was under the impression that you were no longer a merit source for Japanese board.
I'll go and edit my post. this seems like I was trying to take your place. I wasn't.

"We" do not have a better user to take his place so let's just keep him, he "may" improves? Better than removing the whole Japanese board...
Code : Run4cash
Decrypt it, you will find : fail. Epic fail.
He has to look outside the ICOs' box to see the real btctalk world.

The drama continues...


Since Anon11073 didn't get the point, I started the poll about the validity of his counting as the bounty manager and participant: including his posts before wearing signature, as I wanted to hear from other senior bounty managers/participants.  Your feedback for the poll would be helpful as it has currently only 1 vote from Anon11073 to the option "Yes: it is usual counting". https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bounty-manager-anon11073-counted-his-posts-before-wearing-the-signature-3597531

The thing is that, however, now I found he sent me merits!  I was upset, it looks like a bribe, I wanted to refuse dirty merits...  Again, he exploited his source merits for his personal use in addition to the abuse of 30 source merits sent for his favorite coins... https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-abuse-by-merit-source-anon11073-update-30-merits-abused-3443147

No one can rehabilitate him... why is he still a merit source (and staff and bounty manager)?  His merit history needs to be investigated in more detail...  

Well, as you said, I think that my way of using Merit was inappropriate.
I am sorry about that. So I will try to use it properly from now on.
About Merit, it is a post on Japanese board.

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There certainly was no other user applicable, but posts when not signed were also counted.
I did not add a rule. If I do a bounty campaign in the future, it will count in the same way.

I was surprised you learned nothing from the previous topic...  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/merit-abuse-by-merit-source-anon11073-update-30-merits-abused-3443147
Why you think you can justify your transactions of 30 source merits to your favorite coins' announcement threads?  If there were no high quality posts in Japanese board and you had a lot of source merits, why didn't you try to look for high quality posts in other boards?  Didn't you think that was more appropriate way to use source merits rather than personal uses?

I think that counting rule is unusual...  How many other participants benefit from this special rule?  I checked the spreadsheet, and it turned out that among all the participants you are the only person who benefits from this rule.  It seems you added such a special rule only for yourself...

As long as the company paying for advertising is aware and approved of this term, there should be no issue. This is not normally how things are done, but it is not your place to tell others how to conduct business.

If someone makes a post on Monday and starts wearing a signature on Wednesday, presumably some people will see the signature on Thursday or later in the week.

Well, posts while not wearing a signature are also counted.
Other participants are counted in the same way.

It may be a bit special, but it is the rule of campaign that I do.

What nonsense is this This is the first time that I'm hearing someone count posts that were made while not wearing[1] the right signatures (i.e. before actually joining). When handling a larger campaign you could make mistakes due to timezone differences, but this one is fairly large so that isn't an option either. At best this seems like campaign rule-twisting to unfairly benefit oneself and/or others (friends maybe?).

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[1] Any other manager want to comment?

theymos said in the previous thread, but there are too few posts to send Merit to the Japanese board.
Therefore, I had a lot of my sMerit. I sent it to my favorite coin. (I have not received money)
I will be careful about how to use Merit in the future as you pointed out.

Well, I will repeat.
In this bounty campaign, past postings of the participating week are also counted.
This was the same for other participants.

The time zone is calculated in Japan time(UTC +9/JST).

Other participants also count on the same conditions.
You say my post is Shit post, but other participants are doing similar postings.
Because those postings are not Shit post in my standards.

If you participate in the middle of the week, past postings will also be counted.
This is the same condition as other participants.

@Anon11073
What I hate is not you but the misuses of your positions as merit source and bounty manager... Using 30 source merits for personal uses simply because "I am a fun of minexcoin" or you like some bounty manager or you were the bounty manager of that coin, and cheating your signature stakes as a bounty manager to steal coins, which are not allowed in the forum... I don't see you deserve the positions.  It is also crosschecked that your post count was indeed incorrect: to satisfy the requirement of signature campaign, one needs to include your posts in your own bounty threads or your posts before you joined the signature campaign at 16:48:15 on 6th April... To me, the red trust is reasonable to prevent further accusations.

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@mdayonliner
Ok I couldn't send a PM to the ICO CEO since I am a newbie, but will check the thread and what is the best way. (I am not an expert, a newbie still learning about the forum rules and cultures... during which I found an abuser.)

kenjionline is such a kenjionline. Or is it?

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Can we get back to the topic?

Yeah, And the topic was created on November 29, 2017, it gives him merit, with what for the starting topic of the bounty, and then paints the trust. Lauda is such a Lauda.  

You realy need to stop saying Please..please . you are a staff member .

Lauda sent 30 merit to a serial scammer and nobody questioned him/her. PM Theymos with this details.

January 27, 2018, 01:13:24 PM: 10 to aTriz for 🔥 Gunbot Twitter Campaign 🔥 [0.00025 PER REPORT] 🔥 [OPEN] 🔥
January 26, 2018, 09:55:21 PM: 1 to minifrij for Re: Lauda/aTriz possible alts of each other [Merit Abuse]
January 26, 2018, 09:55:18 PM: 1 to Aventhe for Re: Lauda/aTriz possible alts of each other [Merit Abuse]
January 26, 2018, 09:55:05 PM: 1 to aTriz for Re: Lauda/aTriz possible alts of each other [Merit Abuse]
January 26, 2018, 01:57:56 PM: 5 to DannyHamilton for Re: Question regarding Multi Signature Addresses
January 26, 2018, 12:50:08 PM: 5 to TMAN for Re: TMAN's Level up challenge.
January 24, 2018, 10:58:31 PM: 1 to Vod for Re: What is the function of the "Merit" score?
January 24, 2018, 10:42:36 PM: 20 to aTriz for 🔥 Gunbot Twitter Campaign 🔥 [0.00025 PER REPORT] 🔥 [OPEN] 🔥

Since this was posted on the 29th of January, that would mean the week 10 ends on the 9th of April. You've joined in the afternoon (4 PM) on the 6th of April, but I can't tell which timezone the sheet is in. Therefore, let's go with the earliest post on the 6th which is this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34052903 (page 6 of your post history). The first post on the 10th of April is this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34385132 (page 5).
I see 6 posts if you are counting every shitpost that doesn't fall into the 'if here, don't count it' category. Either I'm blind or you're lying. Which is it?

I have no problem removing the rating if you can prove the case wrong, but I don't see how you could do that.

If you have a problem with lauda, I would advise you contact blazed, hilariousandco and salty. They are the reason why lauda is in the default trust network, despite the overwhelming community consensus that lauda should be excluded from DT. If they are unable to address your concerns, I would advise discussing the issue with theymos who can remove them from DT1 (and possibly from staff if he agrees adding lauda is a sign of poor judgment, which it is).

Dear Lauda.

I have not misused the position of Bounty manager.
Please delete the minus trust you did.

Hello again, cotiniber.

Certainly I participated in the Bounty campaign from the middle, but the rules are the same as all the participants.
So I did not count the contents (Cosplay Token Info) posted to the Cosplay Token related thread.
It counts only posts to Alto Coin Thread etc. We post more than 10 postings over 80 letters a week.
If my stakes are invalid, the stakes of many participants will also be invalid.

BTW, the token sale for this project has not yet started, and tokens are not distributed.

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Please cease my watching as cotiniber.
I have not done cheating. Do you hate me?


I am waiting for reply.

LoyceV deserves more than me coz s/he suggested it and I only backed it up. By the way it's much better 



LoyceV (LOL again, seems like you are an expert in this kind of job) has a topic on the Scam Accusations board where s/he exposed scammer John547s3. I was scammed too by that user. What I did is... I sent same message to several media to make sure that the guy does not get paid for scamming both the company and the BitcoinTalk members. Read this for idea if you want to. I sent text to their telegram, Facebook, Twitter, email (got that from the admin of their teregram), reddit etc media to make sure somehow my message reaches to the project administrators. Hope this helps. You can keep following up with them until any of their administrators reply you with an acknowledgement. 

You said that he/she has posted 120 posts in 4 weeks? each participant were required to post 10 times per week, if he has 120 posts then he'd participated As 3 members. is there any mention of bounty manager decision to be the final decision? if yes then it has been at his own discretion to allow himself to take part as 3 members. moreover if Cosplay founder gave the manager permission to decide everything, it wouldn't be embezzlement.

He is still staff.

So no one thinks that there is an exceptional counting culture of bounty manager's stakes to justify his counting?  Then this seems a scam.  Last time, his excuse for the 30 source merit abuse were very poor and never satisfactory, and this time there should be no room to excuse this scam in any way.  


I thought it was Anon11073 who was resigned, but he is still a merit source!  Anyway I think now he should go away from the forum...


Thanks for suggestion, I edited the title.  Eventually I may need to include his username explicitly to avoid further scam victims.  


Great, I am still new to this field and not familiar with how to deal with this kind of accusation, can you tell me how things go in this case?  Maybe we should post the link to this thread in the original announcement thread of this token? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.28898257

This ICO is an registered HK business, and they may press charges, since that's their promised prizes or other benefits for participants of promotional campaign were obtained by a fraudster with the use of deceit. Technically it shall count as theft and/or fraud in HK. I would recommend contacting their ICO CEO and their Legal Advisor to report that incident. Also, their reaction will tell a lot about the status and position of that person in their ranks.

@InvoKing: Seems like you have done some research about this Japanese board. I assume your numbers are correct. I have noticed more merit abusing on the local boards than the regular boards, it's the feeling I get. I have investigated 16 merit abusing cases where I found over 60+ abusers and red tagged those users so I guess my feeling is based on experience. It contains some weight, not just a feeling I got out of the thin air.

I am still awaiting for Anon11073 to see his statement against this acquisition.

I do think the same like you. May be the title needs a bit of tweaks.

It is theymos choice.
I will talk in general not only about this topic : the Japanese users have the right to receive smerit like any other local sub users that's why they have 4? merit sources!
4? merit sources to reward users writing posts with 0/10 quality?
While reading, the excuse is that since we don't have good quality posts and we need to spend smerit, let's reward posts with poor quality??
Yeah, let's boost mediocrity...
Where did I wrote my size=1 comment weeks ago on the nomination day...
Should I blame others in the future doing unethical things? Conflict of interest they said...that's disgusting.

If it's about a Staff member, I think it belongs in Meta. But in that case the topic title should be more clear.
My suggestion: "Bounty manager (Staff!) embezzling $4000".

Correct:

I think that might have been digaran, who said he resigned as a merit source.

None of this is surprising to me, and people who are allowed to just keep doing what they're doing after they apologize will continue doing it.  I'll be interested to hear what Anon11073 has to say about this, assuming he stops by this thread.

As per my knowledge it's not him, it's another member who was removed. I do not want to mention his username for some reason.


I was also having a thought that this is not something for Meta board but I was not really sure about the appropriate board for this. Seems like scam accusations is the board for this topic. I hope OP move this to scam accusations board.

I thought that he was removed as Merit Source and Staff  because of your thread.

I just saw that merit sources were reduced from 80 to 79 (I thought that might be he was removed).

Theymos need to intervene, I think staff and bounty manager are two conflicting position.

This should be in scam accusations, not meta. That being said, I'd definitely go ahead and contact whoever he is running the campaign for, I'm sure they would like to know.

Again! another accusation!!!
I am interested to see this time what will be his explanations. Last time I bought his story but could not agree with his merit abusing excuses. I will keep my eyes open for this topic.

Originally I was just going through altcoin section and noticed an account sent a lot of merits to announcement threads as a merit source, which I reported in this thread.  Further look of his post history, now this account turned out to be even worse as a bounty manager embezzling tokens worth $4000 by cheating his post count, which forced me to open this thread...  

Anon11073 is the bounty manager of "cosplay token" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bountyico-cosplay-token-cosplay-platform-built-with-blockchain-technology-2843223
and participating his own signature campaign, whose rules look like standard ones:


When checking his post history, I found that 90% of his posts remain in the bounty thread during the campaign.  He posted info on "Current participants" for the campaign multiple times a day.  The following quotes are examples.  I am not snipping his posts, these are the whole part of his posts.  Almost the same posts, not sure if it is necessary to post them...  



Of course these posts are in the bounty thread, and should not be counted for signature campaign.  However, the thing is that, it turned out that he counted these posts as signature stakes and continued it for 4 weeks.  I checked his 120 posts during 4 weeks and if one follows the rule above, his post count is actually 3, 3, 6, 3 for each of 4 weeks, none of which satisfies the minimum requirement of 10 posts per week, since most of his posts remain in the bounty thread.  

At the end of the day, the spreadsheet of the bounty thread shows that he got 12 stakes in total for 4 weeks, which is 13% of the total stakes in signature campaign.  Since tokens worth $30,000 is allocated for the signature campaign, he earned tokens worth $4000.

One thing is that in principle he could have 10 posts at the deadline of each week and then part of them were deleted after that for some reason.  It could happen but I doubt if it could happen for successive 4 weeks...  If it is the case, 24 posts should have been deleted, which implies his posts did not satisfy the requirement of "constructive posts" anyway.

Another thing is that I am not sure if the forum has unofficial allowed culture for bounty manager to count his stakes in an exceptional way...  At least it is not the case for several bounty managers I checked:  Some of them counted correctly, some of them only wear the avatar and didn't count their stakes, and others were not participating their own campaigns.  

So in general, are posts by a bounty manager exception of the counting rule for the signature campaign he is managing?  If the answer is no and it should be counted as usual, Anon11073 is cheating his stakes and stealing $4000...