Topic: [Boxing]: Arbitration judge orders Fury vs Wilder 3rd fight (Read 483 times)

I'm sure you will watch it regardless of the outcome. I'm not sure why most people seem to be discounting Wilder. Fury didn't beat him in the first fight and he was very lucky to get up at all. Some premature refs would have probably waved it off and he might have even been counted out had he started the count earlier. Regardless of how much he acted like a sore loser after this fight he deserves it due to contractual obligations if not for the best of three. I'm sure Fury would have wanted a the rematch had he lost and you never know how a fighter is going to handle defeat. Some are humble like AJ and others cry about everything but it's not uncommon for fighters to blame ludicrous things. It would be interesting to see how Fury would handle a defeat and I certainly don't think it's going to be a walk in the park for Fury. I actually think Wilder is/will be a together opponent than AJ for him. I'd actually like to see AJ and Wilder fight at some point. Maybe/hopefully it will happen after they've got their mandatories out of the way.


It's not a publicly stunt. They can't do anything about the arbitration finally making their decision and we've know this was going on for quite some time, but Fury's camp should have mentioned that it was still going on and could cause issues.   

I am not too excited about this either but the problem is what will happen after that? I have no doubt that Fury will once again beat Wilder and he will be in a perfect position to fight a reunification fight, however what happens if Joshua losses to Usyk? To me that is a real possibility and if it happened then the big mega fight that everyone was expecting to happen will have to be delayed once again and at that point most of the hype will be gone for the match of Fury against Joshua.

Wilder decline the set-aside money because he wants to get in contention right away, which is dangerous for his career if he gets beaten again it will be over for Wilder, he doesn't want a tune-up fight or a fight to get his career back, a trilogy is good, the boxing community is anxious what Wilder is going to show now that he was dominated by Fury on their last fight.

Bob Arum already confirmed that the third fight will happen, and as the clause is already laid out, it will be easy to make the fight.

And it's probably be in July, so if Fury wins and then Joshua wins as well against his mandatory, then everything can be set up again next year for Fury vs Joshua. It's not that complicated, its that this boxer has ego as big as Jupiter, goes to the media and blame each other for the delays and issues regarding this super fight.

Well, I think it is not Fury’s fault that Wilder disappeared after the match. We also can’t blame Wilder as possibly the reason for him to disappear is the pandemic that we are experiencing at the moment. Well if this is the case, and if the judge has their final decision about this and favors Wilder, then I think Fury really had to honor the contract. So be it, --let us just see what would happen on the rematch. Then Fury can continue his agreement with Joshua. And Joshua would understand if the match would be delayed, not their faults anyway.

^ Possible.
But if a legal case would exist on this, I think the Fury vs Joshua could really be moved. But I personally think that Fury could reconsider his decisions about this. Their match should go through, the previous case could be moved somewhere as per request. I will find it really disappointing if their match (FURY AND JOSHUA) will be affected by this issue. They just had it set and this thing popped out, is this a setup to delay the fight intentionally? Or is it a publicity stunt that would make the viewers become more interested to pursue the match?

After all the reasoning he had.Im sure that lots doesnt have already an interest to see this Trilogy.

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Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13079851/deontay-wilder-tyson-fury-excuses/

Funny excuses eh? 

Tyson Fury will beat mentally unstable Deontay Wilder so easy if third fight ever happen, but I personally think Wilder does not deserve anything after acting crazy like he did.
I am not interested of watching this fight again and if other people don't want to pay and watch it than nobody can force it to happen.
What I really want to see is Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua as soon as possible.

Its unlikely though. Most boxers which change their style on a rematch or make the adjustments to get the edge are somewhat skilled in the art of boxing. Wilder isn't much of a boxer, he's more a brawler, and relies on that right hand, which to be fair to him up until he came up against Fury, and even to a certain extent during the Fury fight has worked for him.

So, I'm not trying to say Wilder doesn't deserve to be in that ring, but I can't see him making drastic changes with a little over a year to do it in. Especially, since he lacks some of the fundamentals of boxing anyway. He will likely be counting on that big right hand of his again, and who knows Fury might get caught again. In the second fight, Fury didn't give him much time at all to wait for that perfect moment. Instead, he put him on the back foot, and quite frankly was boxing his head off. I don't think Wilder will come up with a solution to that, other than what he's been doing to his other opponents for a while; using that big ol' right hand of his to knock them on their arse.

The biggest adjustment should come from Wilder, Fury has nothing to change in his style he will still move around the ring and be elusive and counter punch, Wilder should change his style and find a way to land that big punch, he's been knocking out people with one punch but with Fury, he has a hard time connecting that will be his assignment.

When you step in the ring with someone like Wilder they always have a chance. Wilder probably still does have one of the biggest punches in boxing. Fury has got caught more than once with it, and of course the famous one, it was pretty damn close to being counted out. I think personally Fury will come in the same fashion as last time, put Wilder on the back foot, and as we saw last time Wilder doesn't really know how to fight while he is backpedaling.

For Wilder to have anything more than a chance of a big punch, he would have had to work on his jab, managing the distance better, working on fighting off the back foot, and moving his head more. I don't see him working on all of that in around a year, considering he had an injury which was originally the reason for moving the fight back.

This is unexpected and very surprising, we are all into the Joshua Fury hype all talks since last year are all about the Joshua - Fury fight it's good for the boxing community, I support the Joshua - Fury fight more than Wilder's third match, the Wilder match is still exciting but not as exciting as the Joshua - Fury because the boxing community wants something new the Wilder fight will just become the continuation of their second match.
Fury will again punish Wilder because Fury now knows how to beat Wilder.

Well, heavyweights are exciting, but other divisions are exciting as well.
Mind you, Manny Pacquiao is still fighting and this guy is a legend, every time he had a fight, it makes the boxing world focus on his fight.

I'm sure there are still other good fighters, but maybe boxing nowadays is not as exciting as before.

Me not a big fan of MMA but more on boxing and basketball as well.

Plot twist, Wilder wins against Fury, reclaims his belt, and he then challenges AJ.

Just kidding.

If nothing significantly changes for both fighters, Fury will win again. Regarding the judge's decision, I think it's correct because they cannot turn down rematch clause just because of the pandemic.

Fury won pretty easily last fight. Of course Wilder tried to blame it on everything except the fact that he wasn't ready for the fight. I barely watch boxing anymore since MMA is so popular but these big heavyweights are probably the only thing keeping boxing alive.

That's a bit stupid and rude for Wilder to suddenly interrupt the bout against Joshua but if both camps agreed to it, I think that we just have to accept what their decision is, I was looking forward to the Fury versus Joshua fight.

It's a verbal agreement, it's nice if it will be in writing, but I guess this is already a done deal since the last contract it was stipulated that there's a rematch IIRC. Good fight I can say, Fury vs Wilder or Fury vs Joshua, either of this match up, it's expected it's an explosive fight.

ESPN is reporting that Wilder and Fury have come to a verbal agreement and they will fight on July 24 or August 14 in Las Vegas. I think out of Fury and Joshua, Fury will have the tougher matchup against Wilder than Joshua against Usyk. Joshua might not have the best chin but Usyk is a natural cruiserweight and I don't see him being able to hurt AJ.

You may disagree, just like Fury and Bob Arum did last year on the grounds of the contract's rematch clause's expiration last October, but, again, the matter has already been submitted to the arbitration court. Unfortunately, on the part of Fury's camp, the judge has already ruled that Wilder still has the legal ground to demand for a third fight. I guess Fury and his camp would have no other option but to abide, unless Wilder would back out from it.

Well, as both fighters would love to do that, the fans are more than excited to see their rivals end soon. It's gonna be another great fighter that could result in a KO, Fury here will be aggressive again and I don't know how Wilder will fight that he has never faced a fighter as aggressive as Fury.

Wilder speaks too much, he is now given an opportunity to speak again, but this time please speak out in the ring.
Make this a fight that fans will never forget.

We've seen this drama on how it did end up on Wilder and surprisingly they do able to find out some way to make this Trilogy to happen which is way too unexpected.
Im dying to see on how Fury would end up this drama and move on ahead and fight AJ. Im not that interested with Wilder anymore but it somehow needs
to be settled for good.

There is a timeline set for the trilogy by the arbitrator arbitrator Tyson Fury should face Deontay Wilder by September 15th and the fight between Fury and Joshua is not official yet and the reported date was August 14 and considering that there is no way Tyson Fury can have this fight and turn around and find Wilder within a month.

Either they have to pay the settlement amount or he needs to fight Wilder unless they find other solutions.


 

It does look like an utter mess, but all this controversy just generates more money for the three of them in future. Joshua called Tyson a fraud today because it looks like they'll end up paying $20 million in order for Wilder to step aside, it could be one of the easiest paychecks in history! Saudi Arabia is already reported to be paying $100 million between both of them for hosting the fight, so it looks like it will either be cancelled (unlikely) or the pay off will be coming. Considering it is the most belts ever up for contest in one fight - making it one of the biggest fights in history, it looks like Wilder will get his way.

I saw that news when it came out and this basically means that we are going to get a third fight between Fury and Wilder, I will see it of course as I am a fan of boxing but there is not going to be any hype on my part as I do not think Wilder has the necessary skills to pull an upset against Fury, so once gain promoters found a way to kill excitement for the biggest fight of the year and we do not have any idea when the fight will happen.

The decision of the arbitration judge is binding by law, so I don't know how Bob can bent it, unless he challenge it again, which I doubt, and I don't know what will be the solution here except to let Fury fight Wilder for the trilogy.

I'm sure fans are going against Wilder here, because we wanted to see undisputed fight, Fury vs Joshua, but what can we do but to wait.

It's a law that will force him to fight, unless they got something to fight under the court that they see something that possible to avoid this, though just like what you just mentioned Bob Arum knows more about it and for sure he will comes up with something that appropriate to what laws are requiring them.

Fight for the last time and prove it, this one will end after, let see if how they'll going to react about it and what will be the plan for this possible incoming fight.

What a bummer i was really looking forward to see the fight of fury vs joshua. I just hope that the fight against wilder will still be this year and that fury wins of course because i really want to see him fight against joshua as this would be one of the biggest fights in the heavyweight division of the last 10 years. If fury wins against wilder again this year though then this news could also have a positive side because next year the fight will most likely be with audience again and a championship fight with no atmosphere is just not the same.

I'm sure people can wait another year or so and another year isn't going to age either of them to the point of retirement. Neither are past their prime and are arguably still in it. Assuming the Wilder trilogy goes ahead they can still get the first AJ fight in before the end of the year and it's looking like December is a strong candidate for it. Then the rematch can be done in the new year. As for Wilder stepping aside if he would for a couple of million I'm sure they would offer him that but according to Fury he wants 20 million which is ludicrous so it looks like the fight will have to happen. He was originally contracted for it anyway so it seems only fair given covid. It's still a huge fight and there's not going to be many more options for Fury and AJ once those fights are done and maybe one or both will retire after them.



Well I don't think he got the chance to go out on his shield due the corner throwing in the towel. He probably would have lost either due to KO or points but you never know in boxing. Also, I'm not sure what qualifies someone to be the best and that's largely subjective but Wilder was unbeaten before Fury and held the WBC heavyweight title since 2015. He did nearly KO Fury as well and it was a miracle he got up. The excuses he gave were very petty and it shows what a sore loser he is but it's not uncommon for fighters to pull out every excuse in the book. Maybe Fury will have them if he every loses. The third fight at least gives both fighters the option to put it to rest though. If Fury is confident that beating him again won't be an issue then it should be only a minor inconvenience for him and he's still going to get the biggest payday of his life until the AJ fight happens.


Fury has said it's 20 million:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/57165286

That is if Wilder is willing to accept a step aside money to give way for Fury vs Joshua.

But it seems he wanted to derail it, and now that the arbitration is out and the judge order him and Fury to face the trilogy, he will go for it. As for Fury, legal woes and lawsuit might follow if he chooses to fight Joshua. Again, this is going to be a circus now and I don't think that Wilder is willing to be paid that step aside money. Maybe by now, he realized all his actions after the second fight and his mind is clear to have the third fight.

I think that it should be the logical approach since Wilder skated out of the fight at the last minute and this Fury vs. Joshua is already polished and butting in while the match has already been decided is a bit rude and unprofessional.

Its the fans that lose out really. We've been waiting for it for a long time, its taken several months to actually get an agreement, despite this fight being the only logical one, and especially for British fans, its an exciting time to have two British fighters go against each other. If you consider their ages, 32 Fury, and 31 Joshua they are getting on, so there is definitely a time limit to make this fight happen in their prime. Especially, with Fury already retiring once, and not long ago he was saying he was just going to fight his last 3 fights left on his contract.

So while it might not be a big deal, and in some ways it might be beneficial. For example, less restrictions if they were to schedule it for December. However, are they going to be able to agree to that. Its taken months now, and it was the only thing that was on the cards for the two fighters. What if Fury takes a lot of damage against Wilder, which is definitely possible. What if Joshua takes damage, or what if either of them don't want to be fighting so close together for such a big fight. Which means we could be looking at next year, and depending on the Covid situation, and various other things that is not guaranteed.

Right now, we have a date August 14th. I would say, pay wilder to step aside, but give him a guarantee in the contract that he can fight the winner, and challenge for all the belts. Wilder gets paid to sit on his arse, and train for a while. The fans get what they want, Hearne, Bob, and the rest get their money. Then, the promoters can big up the next fight, where Wilder's right hand will steal all the belts of the division.

Honestly, if they spin it that way; if Fury were to beat Wilder, wouldn't it be the perfect revenge for Wilder to take all the belts he just acquired?



I'm not sure if Wilder deserves it. If you look in history, generally only the best have trilogy fights, and I'm not sure if I can call Wilder one of the best. Plus, the excuses, and accusations made me respect him a lot less. That second fight where he wanted to go out on his shield, made me leave that night respecting more than I did going in, and he ruined that.

So, although Wilder definitely has a chance against Fury just from his dynamite right hand I believe he lacks a lot of skill in other departments, and I know the first fight was a draw, but I can't really get my head around how that was a draw. The knockdown he had was a good one, and maybe there is a claim for a long count, but other than that I thought he was dominated pretty much every round. So, in my eyes he only had one 10-9 / 10-8 round. The fact that Fury got up, and started to put him on the back foot right after being knocked down, I would say a 10-9 round to wilder. I just can't see how he made up all those points, he was getting schooled for much of that fight.

Wilder is a brawler, his boxing skills in terms of actually technical boxing are lacking. Probably, the most lacking top fighter I've seen. I've seen many fights, where he's definitely losing, but he has that one punch in him.

I would disagree, Wilder backed out of the fight in the last minute and now that there is another fight for Fury, he suddenly gets in and interrupts to tell that Fury owes him a third match? That's pretty stupid if you think about it. I don't think that Fury's side should accept the decision, let him get in line and wait.

Then let this fight happen. There is no other option for Fury and his team but to face Wilder for the third time. The arbitration has been submitted and was duly judged in favor of Wilder's use of their contract's rematch clause.

While there is, of course, much more excitement for the anticipated Fury-Joshua fight, this old issue should be settled first. But the former will definitely happen, anyway.

And I guess Fury could defeat the broken Wilder more easily this time around. I think Wilder is already done.

The amount of money is not mentioned in the news, but why would Fury not fight him and just pay him when he can make money and at the same time beat Wilder in the 3rd fight. If the marketing is good, they can make more money than the previous two fights, however, I believe Fury needs to win the fight against Joshua if that would happen first so the hype is still hype for him.

They are bound by arbitration and I think the ruling is final here. So by legality he really needs to fight Wilder here, otherwise there will be lawsuit. Fury had Bob Arum on his side, and knows a lot about boxing lawsuit so they may come to terms on fighting Wilder again for the last time in the trilogy and win the fight.

There's no problem with this, after the Fury vs Joshua fight,  Fury can give this a chance, it's up to him, if he will not fight, that means he will break the contract and he will pay a monetary amount for that, it's up to him.

Legally you can't force Fury to fight Wilder if Wilder declines to step aside but it will have some serious financial consequences and they would waste a lot of time on lawsuits that they are better off doing the trilogy. It is likely that Fury wins by KO again and then we can see Fury vs. Joshua at the end of the year.

Yes, so there's no finality as well on the Fury vs Joshua fight, and maybe this is the reason why there are a lot of confusion in the media as well, both sides as saying different things. So I conclude that the contract is not yet sign by both parties.

Fury is quiet and that's good, and it should only be Bob Arum who should talk to the media and let us know what's the plan for a Fury vs Wilder trilogy.

Fury and Joshua fight is not officially announced but the management and promoter of Joshua was claiming that the fight would take place in Saudi Arabia on August 14th and some of the insiders also noted that would be the date and that the Saudi will be building a stadium for the event, will see how Fury and his team will be managing this arbitration order and i do not think it will ruin the Joshua fight as they can overcome that easily. 

Sounds a possible set-up but I don't believe that Fury would really be deal on that one because this doesn't only talks about business but also into his ego that he's much better than Wilder.

Just like what others been saying that im not already that much interested with this Trilogy.I do much prefer on seeing AJ than Wilder on upcoming fights but since its

mandatory or an order then I don't think for any opposition but rather they do need to deal with it.

I can speculate that Wilder will push through with the trilogy with Fury, and will not accept the step aside money. He is vented on having his revenge to the point that he mentally breaks down. And now that they heard the news and it's on their favor, for sure this team are now scrambling to get him back in the gym and be motivated  to fight again.

It will be a lot of trash talk here, specially Wilder's accusations. As for Fury, might be better to give Wilder his shot, win it and then goes for reunification with AJ. Boxing is business so if the money is right for the trilogy, it will happen.

As for me, the trilogy will happen unless they pay Wilder tons of money to step aside but i don't think Wilder will do that as he will get huge amount in this third fight. With restriction being eased up on some countries, i think they can have this fight with fans in attendance so that it can generate more revenue for this mega drama fight  .

Wilder won the case because it is written on the Contract and Fury can't get away from it not unless he pays for a breach of contract. Now that the situation are getting better now, there's no more reason for Fury to decline the rematch and let Wilder have a chance to reclaim the title. Fury might not be able to fight other boxer because of this, so better to finish the drama for this one so we can see more fights to come.

Not necessarily. They could just arrange for the fight to happen after the AJ/Fury fight or Wilder could be paid off to delay the rematch, or maybe they could do a deal with AJ that Wilder will fight the winner of the bout if it's an issue of Wilder not being able to challenge for the belts so he will still get a shot at that. I don't know whether the terms of the arbitration deal mean it has to be a title fight with the belts on the line which could obviously be an issue if Fury loses them but the fight does have to take place before September 15th so there's not much time to fit in both fights by the end of the year. It wouldn't be big deal anyway if they delayed the fight anyway in my opinion. AJ could just fight Oleksandr Usyk in the meantime since he's probably going to have to fight him as he's the mandatory and that could end up delaying the Fury/AJ fight at some point as well so it's best to get it out of the way so it doesn't cause any problems. I actually want to see Fury and Wilder fight again as I think Wilder deserves the third match. First was a draw and the second fight the towel was thrown in without his involvement even though he was likely losing or would have lost the fight but a third fight will settle any claim for either party. Once that's out the way Fury can concentrate on the AJ fight (assuming he doesn't lose  ).

He acted stupid, but the arbitration is final if I'm not mistaken. So it's either Fury honor it, and fight Fury for all the marbles and finished the discussion or pay a hefty fine if he decision that he doesn't want any part of Wilder. So the ball is on the part of Fury and his team right now.  And this is the initial reaction from Bob Arum:


https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/anthony-joshua-vs-tyson-fury-bout-in-jeopardy-as-deontay-wilder-reportedly-wins-arbitration-case-for-trilogy-fight/o8zkz54x7h211f20vpilrvyuz

I don't believe their so-called trilogy will ever happen because of this complicated drama that they created themselves. there are too many negotiations and each party wanted to get the most of the money that this Trilogy produces. You also have Wilder's mentality problem, things are not going to be easy to make this fight happen. I don't know if they will still up to this fight by next year. if that will be the case, then there will be no fruit to their negotiations until one party will accept the offer of the other side.

That's pretty shitty if you ask me, Wilder asked for the rematched and he himself bounced and never made the deal, I would say that it is pretty stupid because the delay will cause this match to be something that will be insufferable to watch since we wanted a Fury versus Joshua now and Wilder is suddenly ready to go against Fury. Pretty unprofessional if you ask me.

Wilder exercised the rematch clause after he lost the fight but then he disappeared and the pandemic happened so they were not able to make a deal before a the original deadline. Then Wilder took the case to arbitration claiming that he is still owed the rematch. The judge deciding the case ruled in Wilder's favor.

This is what happen if you didn't play by the rules, we all know those boxer always play under the contract that you must follow all the time. If he decided not to push this one then expect him to pay huge money which he can still afford though. Fury can knockout Wilder easily again which can be a win win situation for him so I'd rather face this guy again, and prove that he's the real champion, that can be more exciting.

What happened with this one though, I am too lazy to search for it online and I forgot what happened to this one. Basing on your reply, I don't think that a mere hush money is going to be enough for Wilder, I am sure he wants to go for a third match and if he ever accepts the money then I would be surprised because there will be no trilogy.

That's possible, but if If my memory serves me right, the contract between Fury and Joshua is not yet signed isn't it? And if Fury vs Joshua will proceed, Fury will have a potential lawsuit coming from the side of Wilder for not honouring the contract and the arbitration.

So this decision really ruin everything for Fury now, but knowing that he has Bob Arum on his side, maybe just maybe they have solutions for this "legal" woes.

It's because they have to follow the the rematch clause, otherwise it will be a breach on contract of Fury's side. That's why I said it's messed up everything for Fury right now.

For sure they can settle this with Wilder, and pay him a step aside money if that is possible so that the Fury vs Joshua can go as plan. So let's see what will be Fury and his management are going to do next.

Exactly!
When things had already been set out and this issue had pop off from nowhere? Dont know if Fury will really be having some option with this kind of order
as if these are just lame excuses on Wilder side and trying hard to make things favorable for them or just trying to prove out that he would win
in case this 3rd fight happens.

Why should they delay the Fury and Joshua fight, did the judge ordered the fight to take place in a specific time period, i do not think so but the judge can order the trilogy and we have not heard any representation from the Fury side to talk about the situation. If the situation is challenged by Fury and if he does not want to fight him again these court orders does not mean anything as he is not a US citizen and he will not fight in the US if he does not want to.

So i think the situation can only be resolved amicably rather than forcing him to fight with the help of a court order and the Fury Joshua fight might take place on August 14th in Saudi Arabia.

Just when we were done with the Joshua-Fury negotiation soap opera, now we have this drama with the Deontay Wilder legal case. I don't know if this ruling will be enough to derail the Joshua-Fury fight. Fury can either try to come to an agreement with Wilder and pay a step aside fee or he can just ignore the decision and eventually have to pay a lot of money for a breach of contract.

So still not yet over for Deontay Wilder as the arbitration judge rule in favor of him. They are now ordered to take a 3rd fight and Tyson Fury will have to honour the contractual clause.

So I guess the Fury vs Joshua fight will have to wait.


https://www.boxingscene.com/tyson-fury-vs-deontay-wilder-arbitration-judge-orders-third-fight--157712

So let's see how this goes, it's a cluster f**k right now, we have been hype of the Fury vs Joshua reunification, but I guess it won't happen this year.