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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 06, 2024, 10:48:07 PM

Also, it has been speculated that Spence was dehydrated and weak for the fight vs. Crawford. He will not have this problem vs. Fundora because this fight will be in super welterweight. This might be a knockout victory for Errol Spence.

There's always an speculation like that after a boxer losses in a fight, why can't just we accept that it was a fair fight and Crawford was the better boxer that time. Now, it's a comeback fight of Spence and we are expecting a knockout, I'm not saying it won't happen but I really have doubt since we've see this underrated boxer Fundora on how he beat a champion in a close battle.

It will always be that argument that if someone losses a big fight, it could be either be that he has problem with weight, or their preparation is not enough. But as you have said, it was clearly that Crawford is the better fighter and he was the favorite going into this fight.

But here, since this is '54 lbs, there's no way that Spence can used that excuses, he should be man enough if he losses again and it could really put a lot of pressure on him on whether he will continue with his career or not. Or we will see if Crawford took everything from him and he might not be the same Spence that we have know prior to his first lost.

This is a very important fight for him as it's his return after a while, so he needs to create a noise and that is by winning the fight. Actually, he could challenge Spence again once he will become a champion, as I'm sure it will not be hard for the promoters to make the fight happen.

Crawford will have a fight at 154 lbs against Madrimov and it's also for the title. So they are also in the collision course here, if by chance Errol Spence defeated Fundora, then we might see the another unification fight between the two but this time at Super Welterweight.

Quote from: Questat on June 12, 2024, 07:24:42 AM

Fundora maybe taller, but he won by an upset to a boxer which I think way below the level of Spence, so I'm expecting that he'll dominate the big man and since he doesn't have the edge on the lenght, he should knock him out like what he did to Ugas.

Tim Tzsyu also suffered a cut in that fight and it was a messy fight. And he take advantage of it and fight to the teeth as if there is no tomorrow for this two boxers. But in the end the tall and length of Fundora is too much. So we should expect another great fight for Spence here as Fundora could be a big challenge for him.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 06, 2024, 10:48:07 PM

Also, it has been speculated that Spence was dehydrated and weak for the fight vs. Crawford. He will not have this problem vs. Fundora because this fight will be in super welterweight. This might be a knockout victory for Errol Spence.

There's always an speculation like that after a boxer losses in a fight, why can't just we accept that it was a fair fight and Crawford was the better boxer that time. Now, it's a comeback fight of Spence and we are expecting a knockout, I'm not saying it won't happen but I really have doubt since we've see this underrated boxer Fundora on how he beat a champion in a close battle.

It will always be that argument that if someone losses a big fight, it could be either be that he has problem with weight, or their preparation is not enough. But as you have said, it was clearly that Crawford is the better fighter and he was the favorite going into this fight.

But here, since this is '54 lbs, there's no way that Spence can used that excuses, he should be man enough if he losses again and it could really put a lot of pressure on him on whether he will continue with his career or not. Or we will see if Crawford took everything from him and he might not be the same Spence that we have know prior to his first lost.

This is a very important fight for him as it's his return after a while, so he needs to create a noise and that is by winning the fight. Actually, he could challenge Spence again once he will become a champion, as I'm sure it will not be hard for the promoters to make the fight happen.

Fundora maybe taller, but he won by an upset to a boxer which I think way below the level of Spence, so I'm expecting that he'll dominate the big man and since he doesn't have the edge on the lenght, he should knock him out like what he did to Ugas.

We really can't compare performance though, Ugas almost knockdown Spence though just saying. So different opponents, different strategy. I'm not sure or heard who will be the new trainer of Spence is this fight? Anyone aware as who is going to replace Derrick James?

And that is also another factor that we need to look at, with a new trainer, maybe it might take some time for him to adjust and learn new things from him. Or that is also we need to look at before betting on Spence at it could also affect his performance here for good or for the worse.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 06, 2024, 10:48:07 PM

Also, it has been speculated that Spence was dehydrated and weak for the fight vs. Crawford. He will not have this problem vs. Fundora because this fight will be in super welterweight. This might be a knockout victory for Errol Spence.

There's always an speculation like that after a boxer losses in a fight, why can't just we accept that it was a fair fight and Crawford was the better boxer that time. Now, it's a comeback fight of Spence and we are expecting a knockout, I'm not saying it won't happen but I really have doubt since we've see this underrated boxer Fundora on how he beat a champion in a close battle.

It will always be that argument that if someone losses a big fight, it could be either be that he has problem with weight, or their preparation is not enough. But as you have said, it was clearly that Crawford is the better fighter and he was the favorite going into this fight.

But here, since this is '54 lbs, there's no way that Spence can used that excuses, he should be man enough if he losses again and it could really put a lot of pressure on him on whether he will continue with his career or not. Or we will see if Crawford took everything from him and he might not be the same Spence that we have know prior to his first lost.

This is a very important fight for him as it's his return after a while, so he needs to create a noise and that is by winning the fight. Actually, he could challenge Spence again once he will become a champion, as I'm sure it will not be hard for the promoters to make the fight happen.

Fundora maybe taller, but he won by an upset to a boxer which I think way below the level of Spence, so I'm expecting that he'll dominate the big man and since he doesn't have the edge on the lenght, he should knock him out like what he did to Ugas.

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I'm not sure though if Spence can score a knockout victory here, if he will ever win this fight, I think it will be a decision win for him and Fundora is very tough specially with how he showed in the Tim Tszyu fight.

Prior to him becoming a champion, if I'm not mistaken, he was in the top 5, and against Mendoza, he was leading in the judges scorecard, all 3 of them have Fundora by 4 or 5 points. Until Mendoza caught him with that huge punch that's why he was knockout. But if not for that, I think he could have won that fight.

But that one knockout loss by Fundora is a reference to all the fighters that want to beat him, I'm sure Spence watched and will continue to watch to spot Fundora's weakness and try to create a similar situation where he was knocked down.

The strategy that I can think of is Spence will try to get the match as close as possible so he can get his left hook he will go toe to toe here because as long as he is close to Fundora, Fundora has no advantage over him.

When you have that height advantage the body is an easy target if Spence worked on the body he would have a good opening in the face, Spence needs to win this fight and I'm sure he is so serious about his training because another defeat could be the end of his career.

Of course, everyone has a strategy fighting a taller guy like hitting their body. But I think Fundora has really adjusted very well and knows that will be the case for him and that knockout lost against Mendoza really open his eye on how to play defense while throwing at the same time.

And he being a champion, I think there is some bragging rights that in his mind, he is tough and that even Spence is not going to beat him in this fight. And that's why it will be another hard grinding fight for him like in the Tszyu fight and chances for Spence might be good if he can cover in the first part of the fight and then pour points in the second half for a win in the scorecard.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 06, 2024, 10:48:07 PM

Also, it has been speculated that Spence was dehydrated and weak for the fight vs. Crawford. He will not have this problem vs. Fundora because this fight will be in super welterweight. This might be a knockout victory for Errol Spence.

There's always an speculation like that after a boxer losses in a fight, why can't just we accept that it was a fair fight and Crawford was the better boxer that time. Now, it's a comeback fight of Spence and we are expecting a knockout, I'm not saying it won't happen but I really have doubt since we've see this underrated boxer Fundora on how he beat a champion in a close battle.

It will always be that argument that if someone losses a big fight, it could be either be that he has problem with weight, or their preparation is not enough. But as you have said, it was clearly that Crawford is the better fighter and he was the favorite going into this fight.

But here, since this is '54 lbs, there's no way that Spence can used that excuses, he should be man enough if he losses again and it could really put a lot of pressure on him on whether he will continue with his career or not. Or we will see if Crawford took everything from him and he might not be the same Spence that we have know prior to his first lost.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 08, 2024, 11:29:56 PM

I'm not sure though if Spence can score a knockout victory here, if he will ever win this fight, I think it will be a decision win for him and Fundora is very tough specially with how he showed in the Tim Tszyu fight.

Prior to him becoming a champion, if I'm not mistaken, he was in the top 5, and against Mendoza, he was leading in the judges scorecard, all 3 of them have Fundora by 4 or 5 points. Until Mendoza caught him with that huge punch that's why he was knockout. But if not for that, I think he could have won that fight.

But that one knockout loss by Fundora is a reference to all the fighters that want to beat him, I'm sure Spence watched and will continue to watch to spot Fundora's weakness and try to create a similar situation where he was knocked down.

The strategy that I can think of is Spence will try to get the match as close as possible so he can get his left hook he will go toe to toe here because as long as he is close to Fundora, Fundora has no advantage over him.

When you have that height advantage the body is an easy target if Spence worked on the body he would have a good opening in the face, Spence needs to win this fight and I'm sure he is so serious about his training because another defeat could be the end of his career.

I will say he just caught him at the right place at the right time,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6vfb-qFzRM

It was a left hook, Spence is not known to have power in his left hook and he himself was vulnerable to it, against Ugas and Porter Jr, but they just failed to capitalized it. Tim also try that strategy as well, but Fondura was a well aware of already and so he covers his left side once he throws his right hand.

Body could be a good target, I will agree to dhat, and that could be the plan of Spence before he go upstairs and trying to open up Fundora.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 08, 2024, 11:29:56 PM

I'm not sure though if Spence can score a knockout victory here, if he will ever win this fight, I think it will be a decision win for him and Fundora is very tough specially with how he showed in the Tim Tszyu fight.

Prior to him becoming a champion, if I'm not mistaken, he was in the top 5, and against Mendoza, he was leading in the judges scorecard, all 3 of them have Fundora by 4 or 5 points. Until Mendoza caught him with that huge punch that's why he was knockout. But if not for that, I think he could have won that fight.

But that one knockout loss by Fundora is a reference to all the fighters that want to beat him, I'm sure Spence watched and will continue to watch to spot Fundora's weakness and try to create a similar situation where he was knocked down.

The strategy that I can think of is Spence will try to get the match as close as possible so he can get his left hook he will go toe to toe here because as long as he is close to Fundora, Fundora has no advantage over him.

When you have that height advantage the body is an easy target if Spence worked on the body he would have a good opening in the face, Spence needs to win this fight and I'm sure he is so serious about his training because another defeat could be the end of his career.

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Agreed on there is a risk, however, I reckon this is very low risk for Errol Spence. It is also headshaking that everyone is creating storylines of doubt about Spence. Who was the only boxer who has won against him in his whole career? This is Bud Crawford who is presently the pound for pound best boxer in the world and everyone is speculating that this fight vs. Fundora might be very risky? This is a tune up fight for the former other king of welterweight.

Whenever a fighter takes the kind of beating that Spence did, they are never quite the same. This is on top of being badly injured in a car accident and having serious eye problems. Also, he is only fighting once every 12+ months. This level of inactivity could be detrimental. Fundora might be a weak champion, but Spence is far from being in his best form. It is always a challenge for Fundora’s opponents figuring out how to deal with his height. Even if he is easy to hit, you will have a hard time avoiding his counters, which may include elbows as we saw against Tim Tszyu.

I very much agree on the argument on Errol Spence not being in similar form and confidence after the type of loss that he has experienced against Bud. However, my argument is Bud Crawford is presently no.1 pound for pound in the sport of boxing, the other king of welterweight and he very much can win against Usyk if he has the size of a heavyweight boxer. Who is this Fundora before Tim Tszyu?

Also, it has been speculated that Spence was dehydrated and weak for the fight vs. Crawford. He will not have this problem vs. Fundora because this fight will be in super welterweight. This might be a knockout victory for Errol Spence.

I'm not sure though if Spence can score a knockout victory here, if he will ever win this fight, I think it will be a decision win for him and Fundora is very tough specially with how he showed in the Tim Tszyu fight.

Prior to him becoming a champion, if I'm not mistaken, he was in the top 5, and against Mendoza, he was leading in the judges scorecard, all 3 of them have Fundora by 4 or 5 points. Until Mendoza caught him with that huge punch that's why he was knockout. But if not for that, I think he could have won that fight.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 06, 2024, 10:48:07 PM

Also, it has been speculated that Spence was dehydrated and weak for the fight vs. Crawford. He will not have this problem vs. Fundora because this fight will be in super welterweight. This might be a knockout victory for Errol Spence.

There's always an speculation like that after a boxer losses in a fight, why can't just we accept that it was a fair fight and Crawford was the better boxer that time. Now, it's a comeback fight of Spence and we are expecting a knockout, I'm not saying it won't happen but I really have doubt since we've see this underrated boxer Fundora on how he beat a champion in a close battle.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 05, 2024, 09:20:04 PM

Agreed on there is a risk, however, I reckon this is very low risk for Errol Spence. It is also headshaking that everyone is creating storylines of doubt about Spence. Who was the only boxer who has won against him in his whole career? This is Bud Crawford who is presently the pound for pound best boxer in the world and everyone is speculating that this fight vs. Fundora might be very risky? This is a tune up fight for the former other king of welterweight.

Whenever a fighter takes the kind of beating that Spence did, they are never quite the same. This is on top of being badly injured in a car accident and having serious eye problems. Also, he is only fighting once every 12+ months. This level of inactivity could be detrimental. Fundora might be a weak champion, but Spence is far from being in his best form. It is always a challenge for Fundora’s opponents figuring out how to deal with his height. Even if he is easy to hit, you will have a hard time avoiding his counters, which may include elbows as we saw against Tim Tszyu.

I very much agree on the argument on Errol Spence not being in similar form and confidence after the type of loss that he has experienced against Bud. However, my argument is Bud Crawford is presently no.1 pound for pound in the sport of boxing, the other king of welterweight and he very much can win against Usyk if he has the size of a heavyweight boxer. Who is this Fundora before Tim Tszyu?

Also, it has been speculated that Spence was dehydrated and weak for the fight vs. Crawford. He will not have this problem vs. Fundora because this fight will be in super welterweight. This might be a knockout victory for Errol Spence.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 06, 2024, 01:36:22 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 05, 2024, 09:20:04 PM

Agreed on there is a risk, however, I reckon this is very low risk for Errol Spence. It is also headshaking that everyone is creating storylines of doubt about Spence. Who was the only boxer who has won against him in his whole career? This is Bud Crawford who is presently the pound for pound best boxer in the world and everyone is speculating that this fight vs. Fundora might be very risky? This is a tune up fight for the former other king of welterweight.

Whenever a fighter takes the kind of beating that Spence did, they are never quite the same. This is on top of being badly injured in a car accident and having serious eye problems. Also, he is only fighting once every 12+ months. This level of inactivity could be detrimental. Fundora might be a weak champion, but Spence is far from being in his best form. It is always a challenge for Fundora’s opponents figuring out how to deal with his height. Even if he is easy to hit, you will have a hard time avoiding his counters, which may include elbows as we saw against Tim Tszyu.

And you also have to take into consideration his age and then the wear and tear, plus there could be a mental issues since him and Derrick James separated in a bad note and James files a lawsuit on him. So that's a lot of Spence right now that's why I'm surprised that he accepted this fight right away and think that he can beat a hard nose champion like Sebastian Fundora. And that's one of Fundora's strength is that he is very tall and his opponents on average height will have to figure him out on how to throw against a boxer that is that tall. Not sure when they can fight a sparring partner with that kind of height fighting at 140 lbs.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 05, 2024, 09:20:04 PM

Agreed on there is a risk, however, I reckon this is very low risk for Errol Spence. It is also headshaking that everyone is creating storylines of doubt about Spence. Who was the only boxer who has won against him in his whole career? This is Bud Crawford who is presently the pound for pound best boxer in the world and everyone is speculating that this fight vs. Fundora might be very risky? This is a tune up fight for the former other king of welterweight.

Whenever a fighter takes the kind of beating that Spence did, they are never quite the same. This is on top of being badly injured in a car accident and having serious eye problems. Also, he is only fighting once every 12+ months. This level of inactivity could be detrimental. Fundora might be a weak champion, but Spence is far from being in his best form. It is always a challenge for Fundora’s opponents figuring out how to deal with his height. Even if he is easy to hit, you will have a hard time avoiding his counters, which may include elbows as we saw against Tim Tszyu.

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Errol is almost as soft as Devin Haney being exposed, all the time in their career they were just fighting low-level boxers playing numbers for their boxing records but when they are matched to someone just right where their skillset level, they fold in the ring.

Fundora is also the same but after fighting Tszyu, he proved himself. I think Fundora will battle Spence to the ground.

It was speculated that the reason why Errol Spence did not have a strong fight vs. Bud Crawford is because Errol is very much dehydrated in welterweight. He is becoming very heavy for this weight division already. Also, similar to what @bisdak40 has mentioned, Fundora is not a very good boxer. This fight for Errol is the tune up fight that he needs hehe. However, a tune up fight with a championship hehehehehe.

A risk that is worth taking, I think this is what Spence is thinking in this fight. And for me, we can compare this to Tank fighting Mario Barrios for a belt at 140 lbs. So I will take a word from you, this could be a "scam" as Spence has a great chance to win this fight.

In paper it looks good for Fundora as he won against Tim Tszyu, however, if not for the accidental cut, it could be a different outcome and Tim could have won the fight. And another factor is that they know that Fundora just came from that messy fight and so he might not have recovered yet.

There might be no risk for Errol Spence for this fight. He might be thinking why is he very much lucky to be given a tune up fight but with a championship hehehehe. It is Tim Tszyu who has made a mistake on choosing Vergil Ortiz for his next fight after an upset loss heheheheh. Tszyu might lose again. He should have activated for immediate rematch and win back his WBO super welterweight championship.

There is still a risk though, what if Fundora beat him? he might consider retiring already. As for Tszyu, very bad news, Bitter blow for Aussie boxing star Tim Tszyu as doctor orders next fight be scrapped.

So everything is up to Spence now, he was given this opportunity to fight for a world title and hopefully he won't waste it so that we can still the rematch between him and Crawford at 54 when they are champions, I think that is the plan.

Agreed on there is a risk, however, I reckon this is very low risk for Errol Spence. It is also headshaking that everyone is creating storylines of doubt about Spence. Who was the only boxer who has won against him in his whole career? This is Bud Crawford who is presently the pound for pound best boxer in the world and everyone is speculating that this fight vs. Fundora might be very risky? This is a tune up fight for the former other king of welterweight.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 31, 2024, 05:11:19 AM

Right, at the end of the day, this two are still looking for a rematch if I'm not mistaken. And it's obvious that it will not be at 147 lbs anymore as Spence and Crawford as move up to super welterweight and testing the waters and facing the champion.

And although they are the challenger here, they are still the favorite, meaning there could be risk for them, but it favored them as per sports bookies. Once they've win their respective fight then maybe early next year we will finally see the rematch. And even if Crawford dominated the first fight, we are still curious if Spence can improved and maybe there is issues as far as getting himself at 147 lbs limit. And now that they've move to a higher weight class, we can totally eliminate that excuse.

I like to refresh my memory but I have not found that many fighters rebounding and revenge for their loss when he was dominated and humiliated some boxers rebounded but these fights are not so lopsided just like the case of Spence and Crawford, rematches are good when the fight is close but when the fight was too lopsided and dominated by one fighter it's not attractive to the fans and it may hurt the sales of the ticket.

The only factor here is Crawford's age he has one fight coming if he shows the kind of forms that he had shown in his last fight, then we should forget this rematch, Spence hinted at retirement but I doubt he will, Fundora is still not on his skill level and he can beat Fundora, maybe a good strategy so Fundora can think he is fading.

Maybe Pacquiao vs Morales I? Pacquaio lost the fight and then take his revenge on the rematch and knockout out Morales late in the fight? And then they have that trilogy that we all know Manny dominated him.

I think it's more of him not taking a tune up fight and thinks that he can go and fight the champion at this new division that he will be campaigning. Yes, Fundora could be a weak champion, but still Spence hasn't recovered by that big lost from Crawford. So if he losses this one, his critics will say that he should have at least make a easier fight.

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Quote from: btc_angela on May 31, 2024, 05:11:19 AM

Right, at the end of the day, this two are still looking for a rematch if I'm not mistaken. And it's obvious that it will not be at 147 lbs anymore as Spence and Crawford as move up to super welterweight and testing the waters and facing the champion.

And although they are the challenger here, they are still the favorite, meaning there could be risk for them, but it favored them as per sports bookies. Once they've win their respective fight then maybe early next year we will finally see the rematch. And even if Crawford dominated the first fight, we are still curious if Spence can improved and maybe there is issues as far as getting himself at 147 lbs limit. And now that they've move to a higher weight class, we can totally eliminate that excuse.

I like to refresh my memory but I have not found that many fighters rebounding and revenge for their loss when he was dominated and humiliated some boxers rebounded but these fights are not so lopsided just like the case of Spence and Crawford, rematches are good when the fight is close but when the fight was too lopsided and dominated by one fighter it's not attractive to the fans and it may hurt the sales of the ticket.

The only factor here is Crawford's age he has one fight coming if he shows the kind of forms that he had shown in his last fight, then we should forget this rematch, Spence hinted at retirement but I doubt he will, Fundora is still not on his skill level and he can beat Fundora, maybe a good strategy so Fundora can think he is fading.

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Quote from: Questat on May 31, 2024, 04:54:22 AM

There is still a risk though, what if Fundora beat him? he might consider retiring already. As for Tszyu, very bad news, Bitter blow for Aussie boxing star Tim Tszyu as doctor orders next fight be scrapped.

I think that's alright, Tim Tszyu doesn't have to rush things just to come back at the winning path, his health is still the most important concern as that 1 loss of his career is not yet a carreer ending one. he'll rest but stay condition, so once he is already given a signal, he can still be at his 100%.

So everything is up to Spence now, he was given this opportunity to fight for a world title and hopefully he won't waste it so that we can still the rematch between him and Crawford at 54 when they are champions, I think that is the plan.

That's a good plan, at least a win here will make him a chamption and if Crawford will become a champion in his division as well, they can also have a rematch, at least one chance for Spence to proved himself, but if he wins, then we will be seeing one of the biggest fight as the hype of these two will be back again, and it will be 50/50, just like the first fight between the two.

Right, at the end of the day, this two are still looking for a rematch if I'm not mistaken. And it's obvious that it will not be at 147 lbs anymore as Spence and Crawford as move up to super welterweight and testing the waters and facing the champion.

And although they are the challenger here, they are still the favorite, meaning there could be risk for them, but it favored them as per sports bookies. Once they've win their respective fight then maybe early next year we will finally see the rematch. And even if Crawford dominated the first fight, we are still curious if Spence can improved and maybe there is issues as far as getting himself at 147 lbs limit. And now that they've move to a higher weight class, we can totally eliminate that excuse.

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There is still a risk though, what if Fundora beat him? he might consider retiring already. As for Tszyu, very bad news, Bitter blow for Aussie boxing star Tim Tszyu as doctor orders next fight be scrapped.

I think that's alright, Tim Tszyu doesn't have to rush things just to come back at the winning path, his health is still the most important concern as that 1 loss of his career is not yet a carreer ending one. he'll rest but stay condition, so once he is already given a signal, he can still be at his 100%.

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So everything is up to Spence now, he was given this opportunity to fight for a world title and hopefully he won't waste it so that we can still the rematch between him and Crawford at 54 when they are champions, I think that is the plan.

That's a good plan, at least a win here will make him a chamption and if Crawford will become a champion in his division as well, they can also have a rematch, at least one chance for Spence to proved himself, but if he wins, then we will be seeing one of the biggest fight as the hype of these two will be back again, and it will be 50/50, just like the first fight between the two.

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Errol is almost as soft as Devin Haney being exposed, all the time in their career they were just fighting low-level boxers playing numbers for their boxing records but when they are matched to someone just right where their skillset level, they fold in the ring.

Fundora is also the same but after fighting Tszyu, he proved himself. I think Fundora will battle Spence to the ground.

It was speculated that the reason why Errol Spence did not have a strong fight vs. Bud Crawford is because Errol is very much dehydrated in welterweight. He is becoming very heavy for this weight division already. Also, similar to what @bisdak40 has mentioned, Fundora is not a very good boxer. This fight for Errol is the tune up fight that he needs hehe. However, a tune up fight with a championship hehehehehe.

A risk that is worth taking, I think this is what Spence is thinking in this fight. And for me, we can compare this to Tank fighting Mario Barrios for a belt at 140 lbs. So I will take a word from you, this could be a "scam" as Spence has a great chance to win this fight.

In paper it looks good for Fundora as he won against Tim Tszyu, however, if not for the accidental cut, it could be a different outcome and Tim could have won the fight. And another factor is that they know that Fundora just came from that messy fight and so he might not have recovered yet.

There might be no risk for Errol Spence for this fight. He might be thinking why is he very much lucky to be given a tune up fight but with a championship hehehehe. It is Tim Tszyu who has made a mistake on choosing Vergil Ortiz for his next fight after an upset loss heheheheh. Tszyu might lose again. He should have activated for immediate rematch and win back his WBO super welterweight championship.

There is still a risk though, what if Fundora beat him? he might consider retiring already. As for Tszyu, very bad news, Bitter blow for Aussie boxing star Tim Tszyu as doctor orders next fight be scrapped.

So everything is up to Spence now, he was given this opportunity to fight for a world title and hopefully he won't waste it so that we can still the rematch between him and Crawford at 54 when they are champions, I think that is the plan.

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Errol is almost as soft as Devin Haney being exposed, all the time in their career they were just fighting low-level boxers playing numbers for their boxing records but when they are matched to someone just right where their skillset level, they fold in the ring.

Fundora is also the same but after fighting Tszyu, he proved himself. I think Fundora will battle Spence to the ground.

It was speculated that the reason why Errol Spence did not have a strong fight vs. Bud Crawford is because Errol is very much dehydrated in welterweight. He is becoming very heavy for this weight division already. Also, similar to what @bisdak40 has mentioned, Fundora is not a very good boxer. This fight for Errol is the tune up fight that he needs hehe. However, a tune up fight with a championship hehehehehe.

A risk that is worth taking, I think this is what Spence is thinking in this fight. And for me, we can compare this to Tank fighting Mario Barrios for a belt at 140 lbs. So I will take a word from you, this could be a "scam" as Spence has a great chance to win this fight.

In paper it looks good for Fundora as he won against Tim Tszyu, however, if not for the accidental cut, it could be a different outcome and Tim could have won the fight. And another factor is that they know that Fundora just came from that messy fight and so he might not have recovered yet.

There might be no risk for Errol Spence for this fight. He might be thinking why is he very much lucky to be given a tune up fight but with a championship hehehehe. It is Tim Tszyu who has made a mistake on choosing Vergil Ortiz for his next fight after an upset loss heheheheh. Tszyu might lose again. He should have activated for immediate rematch and win back his WBO super welterweight championship.

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He needs a tune-up fight before any championship fights because he's still feeling the first loss he had back then, he is not truly ready for it. But despite this, they wanted him to see a return to action against one of the best boxers at the time. most likely when things are not going to be in his way this time and he also loses this fight then the rematch against Crawford will no longer be possible because as we all know Crawford is going up and plans to defeat every opponent in his way which is more likely going to happen than Spence comeback fight against a champion.

I also like to see him getting a tune up fight first, but maybe he doesn't feel like to and even if he has a long long off and could have ring rust, he could just shake it off in the first couple of rounds against Fundora.

He really need to pull the trigger here in this fight and be the one to control the tempo and dictate where the fight should be. This is the strategy that he uses against his toughest opponent except Crawford who really took out his game early and not let him settle and be in control of the fight.

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He needs a tune-up fight before any championship fights because he's still feeling the first loss he had back then, he is not truly ready for it. But despite this, they wanted him to see a return to action against one of the best boxers at the time. most likely when things are not going to be in his way this time and he also loses this fight then the rematch against Crawford will no longer be possible because as we all know Crawford is going up and plans to defeat every opponent in his way which is more likely going to happen than Spence comeback fight against a champion.

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Errol is almost as soft as Devin Haney being exposed, all the time in their career they were just fighting low-level boxers playing numbers for their boxing records but when they are matched to someone just right where their skillset level, they fold in the ring.

Soft? In terms of what? He beat, Porter, Danny Garcia, Ugas all former champion. So I don't think that those boxers are low-level fighters in his resume. He also had Kell Brook beaten, go to UK and takes his belt. It's that Crawford is on a different level when they fought, Crawford's adjustment and boxing IQ really shows in that fight and Spence can't make any corrections by fly.

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Fundora is also the same but after fighting Tszyu, he proved himself. I think Fundora will battle Spence to the ground.

What Fundora shows in that fight is that he had a big heart, and he was able to win by grit, if Tszyu has a big gash in his head, Fundora broke his nose in that fight. But in the end he edges Tim by a split decision win.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 28, 2024, 01:06:28 AM

Errol is almost as soft as Devin Haney being exposed, all the time in their career they were just fighting low-level boxers playing numbers for their boxing records but when they are matched to someone just right where their skillset level, they fold in the ring.

Fundora is also the same but after fighting Tszyu, he proved himself. I think Fundora will battle Spence to the ground.

It was speculated that the reason why Errol Spence did not have a strong fight vs. Bud Crawford is because Errol is very much dehydrated in welterweight. He is becoming very heavy for this weight division already. Also, similar to what @bisdak40 has mentioned, Fundora is not a very good boxer. This fight for Errol is the tune up fight that he needs hehe. However, a tune up fight with a championship hehehehehe.

I'm not sure if he is dehydrated or not when he fought Crawford at 147 lbs, both could be rehydrated as well as Bud is also moving at 154 lbs in his next fight. And just shows that Crawford really dominated a prime Spence that time and there's no question who is the best Welterweight. However, this is going to be a make or break fight for Spence, and I think his fans can't wait for this fight as well as Errol will proved to everyone that he still have it. Ring rust though might play a big role here. So respect for him for not taking a tune up. And if Spence wins here, our expectations is that they rematch could happen at 154 lbs between Bud and Errol.

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Errol is almost as soft as Devin Haney being exposed, all the time in their career they were just fighting low-level boxers playing numbers for their boxing records but when they are matched to someone just right where their skillset level, they fold in the ring.

Fundora is also the same but after fighting Tszyu, he proved himself. I think Fundora will battle Spence to the ground.

It was speculated that the reason why Errol Spence did not have a strong fight vs. Bud Crawford is because Errol is very much dehydrated in welterweight. He is becoming very heavy for this weight division already. Also, similar to what @bisdak40 has mentioned, Fundora is not a very good boxer. This fight for Errol is the tune up fight that he needs hehe. However, a tune up fight with a championship hehehehehe.

A risk that is worth taking, I think this is what Spence is thinking in this fight. And for me, we can compare this to Tank fighting Mario Barrios for a belt at 140 lbs. So I will take a word from you, this could be a "scam" as Spence has a great chance to win this fight.

In paper it looks good for Fundora as he won against Tim Tszyu, however, if not for the accidental cut, it could be a different outcome and Tim could have won the fight. And another factor is that they know that Fundora just came from that messy fight and so he might not have recovered yet.

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Errol is almost as soft as Devin Haney being exposed, all the time in their career they were just fighting low-level boxers playing numbers for their boxing records but when they are matched to someone just right where their skillset level, they fold in the ring.

Fundora is also the same but after fighting Tszyu, he proved himself. I think Fundora will battle Spence to the ground.

It was speculated that the reason why Errol Spence did not have a strong fight vs. Bud Crawford is because Errol is very much dehydrated in welterweight. He is becoming very heavy for this weight division already. Also, similar to what @bisdak40 has mentioned, Fundora is not a very good boxer. This fight for Errol is the tune up fight that he needs hehe. However, a tune up fight with a championship hehehehehe.

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