Topic: [Boxing] Estrada vs Chocolatito WBC, WBA &amp; Ring Magazine Unification Fight (Read 499 times)

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 14, 2021, 03:28:07 AM

Where is the hype on this fight? hehehehe

I'm a big Chocolatito fan, but this time I'm going for Estrada to win. But this is going to be close and it's going to be a war between the two. I feel that Estrada will go hard from the first round and be more technical. And by just looking at the odds the gap is not that far, this fight is really close and can go either direction but maybe Estrada will have some in his tank to push and get a nod from the judges.

2.41x for this win.

Hope everyone got a good win in this fight, this is exactly what I have seen, Estrada controlling the first half of the fight, even pushing Chocolatito, and become the aggressor. And then Gonzalez coming off the last half of the fight. And it really close and can go either direction, but Estrada has established a good lead early, enough to win this close and exciting fight.

I like Estrada's honestly though, post fight interview he said that he thought it was a draw. So let's see, I have a feeling that there will be trilogy.

It's a respect for his opponent, that means he is willing to give Chocolatito a chance to fight him in trilogy.

Congrats on your win bro, 2.41 odds is such a nice one. Was it a win by decision for Estrada or a win either any form (decision/KO/TKO)?

Actually it's 2.51 boosted,

I bet early that's why the odds are still that high, I also have draw 12x. Much better if that is the result.

Nice odd, just like the first fight, it reach to the judges decision and this time it's the a different result.

If there will be a 3rd fight which is most likely, I think I would also try to consider betting the "DRAW" as it's not impossible this bet will hit since they always end up in judges scorecard and it's always a close fight.

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This was a really good fight. Both guys threw over 1,000 punches and it was a really close fight, the fight of the year so far. I thought maybe Gonzalez deserved to win by a couple points. There will probably be a third fight and we will see very close odds again with Gonzalez being a slight favorite.

Wow, Estrada defied the odds, congratulations to those who bet on Estrada because they are going to get a lot of money with most odds favoring Chocolatito. A third match is going to be the final nail in the coffin as to who is the best of the two, this gave me the idea of a personal betting where you are betting as to whether there is going to be a third match.

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 14, 2021, 07:51:29 AM

Yes, they are really well conditioned to throw more than 2000 punch combine for 12 rounds.

Only a well-conditioned boxer can throw that big number of punches, and judging from the fight both fighters come in well prepared and they are ready to take the win, I read that the mandatory challenger is willing to step aside to give both fighters a trilogy, it's good that they do it right away both fighters are still fresh from the fight, something could go wrong if they fight other fighters, and might jeopardize the trilogy, so we are going to wait for the date on their third fight.

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Quote from: mirakal on March 14, 2021, 08:10:14 AM

Where is the hype on this fight? hehehehe

I'm a big Chocolatito fan, but this time I'm going for Estrada to win. But this is going to be close and it's going to be a war between the two. I feel that Estrada will go hard from the first round and be more technical. And by just looking at the odds the gap is not that far, this fight is really close and can go either direction but maybe Estrada will have some in his tank to push and get a nod from the judges.

2.41x for this win.

Hope everyone got a good win in this fight, this is exactly what I have seen, Estrada controlling the first half of the fight, even pushing Chocolatito, and become the aggressor. And then Gonzalez coming off the last half of the fight. And it really close and can go either direction, but Estrada has established a good lead early, enough to win this close and exciting fight.

I like Estrada's honestly though, post fight interview he said that he thought it was a draw. So let's see, I have a feeling that there will be trilogy.

Congrats on your win bro.

I like that attitude, he really knew that it could go either way as it is so close that i have to turn down an offer for me to judge the fight. A knockdown for either fighter could have been a tie breaker of some sort but that have not happen, better if they call it a draw lol.

A trilogy is eminent but i'd like to see Jerwin Ancajas fight Estrada to really see what the latter is made of.

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It was indeed a back and forth war and it's hard to score the bout. In relation to the judges, Estrada-Gonzalez Rematch: WBA Suspends Judge Carlos Sucre, Who Scored 117-111.

I think it was a good call to suspend him, as it the article says that it was not the first time that this judge was involved in this kind of bad scoring.

Estrada's mandatory is Srisaket Sor Rungvisai, lets see if they will granted a third fight right away or if the Thai's promoter are willing to wait and accept the "step aside money".

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Where is the hype on this fight? hehehehe

I'm a big Chocolatito fan, but this time I'm going for Estrada to win. But this is going to be close and it's going to be a war between the two. I feel that Estrada will go hard from the first round and be more technical. And by just looking at the odds the gap is not that far, this fight is really close and can go either direction but maybe Estrada will have some in his tank to push and get a nod from the judges.

2.41x for this win.

Hope everyone got a good win in this fight, this is exactly what I have seen, Estrada controlling the first half of the fight, even pushing Chocolatito, and become the aggressor. And then Gonzalez coming off the last half of the fight. And it really close and can go either direction, but Estrada has established a good lead early, enough to win this close and exciting fight.

I like Estrada's honestly though, post fight interview he said that he thought it was a draw. So let's see, I have a feeling that there will be trilogy.

It's a respect for his opponent, that means he is willing to give Chocolatito a chance to fight him in trilogy.

Congrats on your win bro, 2.41 odds is such a nice one. Was it a win by decision for Estrada or a win either any form (decision/KO/TKO)?

Actually it's 2.51 boosted,

I bet early that's why the odds are still that high, I also have draw 12x. Much better if that is the result.

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Where is the hype on this fight? hehehehe

I'm a big Chocolatito fan, but this time I'm going for Estrada to win. But this is going to be close and it's going to be a war between the two. I feel that Estrada will go hard from the first round and be more technical. And by just looking at the odds the gap is not that far, this fight is really close and can go either direction but maybe Estrada will have some in his tank to push and get a nod from the judges.

2.41x for this win.

Hope everyone got a good win in this fight, this is exactly what I have seen, Estrada controlling the first half of the fight, even pushing Chocolatito, and become the aggressor. And then Gonzalez coming off the last half of the fight. And it really close and can go either direction, but Estrada has established a good lead early, enough to win this close and exciting fight.

I like Estrada's honestly though, post fight interview he said that he thought it was a draw. So let's see, I have a feeling that there will be trilogy.

It's a respect for his opponent, that means he is willing to give Chocolatito a chance to fight him in trilogy.

Congrats on your win bro, 2.41 odds is such a nice one. Was it a win by decision for Estrada or a win either any form (decision/KO/TKO)?

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Quote from: robelneo on March 14, 2021, 07:20:33 AM

Where is the hype on this fight? hehehehe

I'm a big Chocolatito fan, but this time I'm going for Estrada to win. But this is going to be close and it's going to be a war between the two. I feel that Estrada will go hard from the first round and be more technical. And by just looking at the odds the gap is not that far, this fight is really close and can go either direction but maybe Estrada will have some in his tank to push and get a nod from the judges.

2.41x for this win.

Hope everyone got a good win in this fight, this is exactly what I have seen, Estrada controlling the first half of the fight, even pushing Chocolatito, and become the aggressor. And then Gonzalez coming off the last half of the fight. And it really close and can go either direction, but Estrada has established a good lead early, enough to win this close and exciting fight.

I like Estrada's honestly though, post fight interview he said that he thought it was a draw. So let's see, I have a feeling that there will be trilogy.

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Both boxers display beautiful boxing, they are both well conditioned and ready to go on all 12 rounds, this is much better than the first one I love it when both fighters slug it out, fights could go either way, I love to see the third match, fans deserve to see another one and hopefully the third one is the decisive one.

Yes, they are really well conditioned to throw more than 2000 punch combine for 12 rounds.

It's better than the first one as it is really close and the decision could go either way. Although boxing politics again might hinder a third fight this year, and I hope that the mandatory can wait and let both managers sit down and push a trilogy in the next 6 months. And obviously, there could be more money in the third fight so it make sense to have it this year.

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Both boxers display beautiful boxing, they are both well conditioned and ready to go on all 12 rounds, this is much better than the first one I love it when both fighters slug it out, fights could go either way, I love to see the third match, fans deserve to see another one and hopefully the third one is the decisive one.

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Quote from: Jating on March 14, 2021, 05:04:28 AM

Right, I agree that it live up to the hype, more exciting as the fight can go either way. I have Chocolatito winning though, he had more of the telling blows and the hard one, but maybe Estrada beat him on the eyes of the judges because he is the more busier. May rounds in the fights can be candidate for "round of the year", and obviously, this is "fight of the year".

This deserves a third fight, Chocolatito can still throw bombs, immediate rematch is needed, skip the mandatory, let this two warriors duke it out again this year.

I only manage to watch the highlights of the game and I see that Estrada is a more busier fighter and he throws a lot of punches compared to Chocolatito, so probably that helps him to convince the 2 judges to favor him. I guess Chocolatito would not protest, it was a close fight so it could go either way, but hopefully they are already cooking the 3rd fight as it was really an entertaining fight.

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Right, I agree that it live up to the hype, more exciting as the fight can go either way. I have Chocolatito winning though, he had more of the telling blows and the hard one, but maybe Estrada beat him on the eyes of the judges because he is the more busier. May rounds in the fights can be candidate for "round of the year", and obviously, this is "fight of the year".

This deserves a third fight, Chocolatito can still throw bombs, immediate rematch is needed, skip the mandatory, let this two warriors duke it out again this year.

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Quote from: Dave1 on March 14, 2021, 04:53:32 AM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 14, 2021, 03:28:07 AM

This was a really good fight. Both guys threw over 1,000 punches and it was a really close fight, the fight of the year so far. I thought maybe Gonzalez deserved to win by a couple points. There will probably be a third fight and we will see very close odds again with Gonzalez being a slight favorite.

I haven't seen the fight yet, but base on reports, it was really a war (which we all expect), and another close one, but this time, it was Estrada. Yes, for sure a trilogy deserves it, 1-1 and the final fight will settle everything. But Gonzalez is not getting any younger though, so definitely there should be an immediately rematch. However, there is also the mandatory that might postpone the fight for another year.

The expectation was pretty accurate, it was really a war and they are not backing down. I don't know if they have soft punches or strong body but I like the fight since it's like the fight of Canelo Alvarez vs Gennady Golovkin.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 14, 2021, 03:28:07 AM

This was a really good fight. Both guys threw over 1,000 punches and it was a really close fight, the fight of the year so far. I thought maybe Gonzalez deserved to win by a couple points. There will probably be a third fight and we will see very close odds again with Gonzalez being a slight favorite.

I haven't seen the fight yet, but base on reports, it was really a war (which we all expect), and another close one, but this time, it was Estrada. Yes, for sure a trilogy deserves it, 1-1 and the final fight will settle everything. But Gonzalez is not getting any younger though, so definitely there should be an immediately rematch. However, there is also the mandatory that might postpone the fight for another year.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 14, 2021, 03:28:07 AM

This was a really good fight. Both guys threw over 1,000 punches and it was a really close fight, the fight of the year so far. I thought maybe Gonzalez deserved to win by a couple points. There will probably be a third fight and we will see very close odds again with Gonzalez being a slight favorite.

I'm sure there is, it's one to one between the fighter, and this is the kind of fight that you want to watch again, both fighters slug it out and you end up without knowing who wins the fight, the fight could go either way, it's a hard fight to judge, so there should be a rematch, maybe in the next one will see a knockout.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 14, 2021, 03:28:07 AM

This was a really good fight. Both guys threw over 1,000 punches and it was a really close fight, the fight of the year so far. I thought maybe Gonzalez deserved to win by a couple points. There will probably be a third fight and we will see very close odds again with Gonzalez being a slight favorite.

Overall it was a nice fight, just like the first fight, they were so entertaining to watch.

Congrats to Estrada for winning and hope to see a Trilogy of this fight.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/boxing/news/estrada-vs-chocolatito-2-live-updates-results-highlights-juan-francisco-estrada-roman-gonzalez-card/1szbg01xm4l6l116obzhaet34r

Also, congrats to the winners who bet on Estrada by decision.

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This was a really good fight. Both guys threw over 1,000 punches and it was a really close fight, the fight of the year so far. I thought maybe Gonzalez deserved to win by a couple points. There will probably be a third fight and we will see very close odds again with Gonzalez being a slight favorite.

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This is it, final weigh-in,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=758yJjY_k7U

Fast forward to 27:00 for the main event weigh-in.

Chocolatito: 114.8 lbs

Estrada: 114.8 lbs

Good luck to all bettors. Regardless of who win, this is expected to be a great fight.

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I'm going to witness this fight tomorrow in my timezone.

This should be a fine match as this is already a rematch, I watched their previous fight and it seemed a great match up as both fighters are throwing punches like they are not getting tired and not afraid to go get KO, this is the reason why I'm excited to see this fight.

Roman Gonzalez vs Juan Francisco Estrada (Highlights)

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 12, 2021, 06:07:11 PM

it also shows that you dont need trashtalking in this business to sell your fight. if you are good in the ring and you know respect, boxing fans will buy your fight.

Haha.

I remember one boxer that did this just to hype their match and I know that many of us know who that boxer is. I agree that there's no need to hype the match in that way.

As long as you're a good boxer, fans and other speculators who love the sport will come and look at the match.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 12, 2021, 06:01:30 PM

Here's the Final Press Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDYjHmXHetw

It's the full fight presser, so you have to go to 28:38 for the main event. Both looks relax, no trash talk or anything but pure respect. But come fight night, these two are going into war.

Indeed. That's what i like about a fight between champions in a lower weight category, they go toe to toe as if no more tomorrow

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Of the two, Gonzales is the heavy puncher and he is the one likely to get the KO win but still it is a risky bet but i would put a little on that category and the bulk goes to Gonzales ML.

Hope somebody in this forum could post a link on the fight tomorrow.

waiting for this fight also as i place a bet, not a big one but just enough for me to get interested on who will gonna win this match? both fighters seemed to be prepared and are well-behaved. it also shows that you dont need trashtalking in this business to sell your fight. if you are good in the ring and you know respect, boxing fans will buy your fight.

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Quote from: freedomgo on March 12, 2021, 04:52:40 PM

Here's the Final Press Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDYjHmXHetw

It's the full fight presser, so you have to go to 28:38 for the main event. Both looks relax, no trash talk or anything but pure respect. But come fight night, these two are going into war.

Indeed. That's what i like about a fight between champions in a lower weight category, they go toe to toe as if no more tomorrow

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Of the two, Gonzales is the heavy puncher and he is the one likely to get the KO win but still it is a risky bet but i would put a little on that category and the bulk goes to Gonzales ML.

Hope somebody in this forum could post a link on the fight tomorrow.

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Here's the Final Press Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDYjHmXHetw

It's the full fight presser, so you have to go to 28:38 for the main event. Both looks relax, no trash talk or anything but pure respect. But come fight night, these two are going into war.

That's what I like to see in a fight, it means both of them are serious and they want to give a war in the ring to entertain the fans.

Those who like to bet, sportsbet now offers more markets of this fight.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/matchups/estrada-juan-francisco-gonzalez-roman-600568ff116dfd236e6f5900

Thanks, I'm looking for a bookie to have this match.

Here's the Final Press Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDYjHmXHetw

It's the full fight presser, so you have to go to 28:38 for the main event. Both looks relax, no trash talk or anything but pure respect. But come fight night, these two are going into war.

Nice, this is a better presscon than the other matches that are giving entertainment during this event. But it's really getting hot and exciting to see them inside the ring to box which will happen later.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on March 11, 2021, 01:58:31 AM

Here's the Final Press Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDYjHmXHetw

It's the full fight presser, so you have to go to 28:38 for the main event. Both looks relax, no trash talk or anything but pure respect. But come fight night, these two are going into war.

That's what I like to see in a fight, it means both of them are serious and they want to give a war in the ring to entertain the fans.

Those who like to bet, sportsbet now offers more markets of this fight.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/matchups/estrada-juan-francisco-gonzalez-roman-600568ff116dfd236e6f5900

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Here's the Final Press Conference,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDYjHmXHetw

It's the full fight presser, so you have to go to 28:38 for the main event. Both looks relax, no trash talk or anything but pure respect. But come fight night, these two are going into war.

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 09, 2021, 05:59:26 PM

Fans are allowed to watch this fight live.

Estrada-Chocolatito Card: Crowd Capped At 5,000, Masks Still Required

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Matchroom Boxing, the promoter of the Estrada-Gonzalez card, began selling tickets to this event in pods of two, four and six January 28. The company did not inquire about possibly expanding capacity to more than 5,000 because those that already purchased tickets did so thinking that all COVID-19 protocols would remain intact.

https://www.boxingscene.com/estrada-chocolatito-card-crowd-capped-5000-masks-still-required--156000

So this is really good news as fight fans will have the 'luxury' in this pandemic to watch this epic war between two warriors. This is a highly anticipated match in the lower division and it make sense to have fans watch it live.

with live audience, the boxing arena is at least alive again. waiting for this fight also as i place a small bet. but i place on chocolatito here. if i lose, thats fine. no big deal. i have the feeling that this fight is a toe-to-toe one.
looking at odds of every round, very nice if you got it right. hope both fighters are ready and fully prepared so we can watch a real fight here

Exactly, with live audience around, it will be noisy as both fans of the fighters can watch and makes the fight for those watching in PPV exciting as well. No, you did the right move here, as said by many members here, chocolatito is a live underdog.

Odds at every round is very nice indeed, but you have to be extremely lucky to hit it, might be better to put everything in one bet.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on March 10, 2021, 11:36:28 PM

^^ Thanks for this, now we are seeing some attractive and juicy odds.

I'm all for Estrada here by decision, but I will probably chase "Draw" or bet at least two rounds for Estrada to win 11 and 12, just to make it more exciting watching the fight.

Although this fight is still 50:50 to me, been checking some analysis and predictions and most of them are divided.

The juicier odds will be on Chocolatito here.

Yes, I agree that it will be a 50:50, but you have to look at Chocolatito winning the first fight and maybe he can go back in time and perform his old and vintage self to upset the now favourite Estrada. And that is why some analysis is still divided because they know that Chocolatito might surprise us. 33 years old, but he still still fight it out.

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Quote from: btc_angela on March 09, 2021, 05:59:26 PM

Fans are allowed to watch this fight live.

Estrada-Chocolatito Card: Crowd Capped At 5,000, Masks Still Required

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Matchroom Boxing, the promoter of the Estrada-Gonzalez card, began selling tickets to this event in pods of two, four and six January 28. The company did not inquire about possibly expanding capacity to more than 5,000 because those that already purchased tickets did so thinking that all COVID-19 protocols would remain intact.

https://www.boxingscene.com/estrada-chocolatito-card-crowd-capped-5000-masks-still-required--156000

So this is really good news as fight fans will have the 'luxury' in this pandemic to watch this epic war between two warriors. This is a highly anticipated match in the lower division and it make sense to have fans watch it live.

with live audience, the boxing arena is at least alive again. waiting for this fight also as i place a small bet. but i place on chocolatito here. if i lose, thats fine. no big deal. i have the feeling that this fight is a toe-to-toe one.
looking at odds of every round, very nice if you got it right. hope both fighters are ready and fully prepared so we can watch a real fight here

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^^ Thanks for this, now we are seeing some attractive and juicy odds.

I'm all for Estrada here by decision, but I will probably chase "Draw" or bet at least two rounds for Estrada to win 11 and 12, just to make it more exciting watching the fight.

Although this fight is still 50:50 to me, been checking some analysis and predictions and most of them are divided.

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Finally, we have more betting options:

The decision for either Estrada and Gonzalez are above 2.x, I'm not expecting any knock out here, those two are going to slug it out until the last bell.

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Looking closely at Juan Francisco Estrada record:

He lost to Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr and then avenge it, same with Wisaksil Wangek. And the only lost he hasn't avenge yet is against Roman Gonzalez. So technically, his only lost is to Chocolatito, and if the odds continues, there is a possibility that he can get back and avenge his lost again.

That's why he is the favorite to win.. Damn, if the trend will still happen then this is a win for him.
Honestly, I've never seen a lot of boxer that can avenge their loses in a rematch, things for bringing that information, I have a feeling this is a great match up.

Good trivia here, if probability will continue, then obviously it should be a sure win for Estrada.

Nevertheless, Roman Gonzalez is also aware of this and he wants his streak of his own, back to back win against Estrada. So definitely, with those numbers it will surely be a great match. Really hard to favor base on math and then we have the intangible factors as well. And then we will have a crowd to watch, it will be different atmosphere and I'm sure if will add up to the excitement of a already great match in paper.

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Quote from: TravelMug on March 09, 2021, 07:09:54 PM

Looking closely at Juan Francisco Estrada record:

He lost to Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr and then avenge it, same with Wisaksil Wangek. And the only lost he hasn't avenge yet is against Roman Gonzalez. So technically, his only lost is to Chocolatito, and if the odds continues, there is a possibility that he can get back and avenge his lost again.

That's why he is the favorite to win.. Damn, if the trend will still happen then this is a win for him.
Honestly, I've never seen a lot of boxer that can avenge their loses in a rematch, things for bringing that information, I have a feeling this is a great match up.

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Looking closely at Juan Francisco Estrada record:

He lost to Juan Carlos Sanchez Jr and then avenge it, same with Wisaksil Wangek. And the only lost he hasn't avenge yet is against Roman Gonzalez. So technically, his only lost is to Chocolatito, and if the odds continues, there is a possibility that he can get back and avenge his lost again.

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Fans are allowed to watch this fight live.

Estrada-Chocolatito Card: Crowd Capped At 5,000, Masks Still Required

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Matchroom Boxing, the promoter of the Estrada-Gonzalez card, began selling tickets to this event in pods of two, four and six January 28. The company did not inquire about possibly expanding capacity to more than 5,000 because those that already purchased tickets did so thinking that all COVID-19 protocols would remain intact.

https://www.boxingscene.com/estrada-chocolatito-card-crowd-capped-5000-masks-still-required--156000

So this is really good news as fight fans will have the 'luxury' in this pandemic to watch this epic war between two warriors. This is a highly anticipated match in the lower division and it make sense to have fans watch it live.

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This fight gonna be intense, they got both have 2 and 3 total losses which both of them will really fight for the win.

But Chocolatito is more exciting as he has more KO wins, so he needs to find a way to KO his opponent as he is not favored to win this fight, his best chance to win is to KO so there will be no more controversial decision in case it will reach to the judges scorecard.

the odds are not that wide. and they favoured estrada here. but yes, if Chocolatito will KO his opponent, which he is very capable of. that would be a nice shot for him in this boxing career. seems that we will see a toe-to-toe fight here in the next few days.
bet on Chocolatito here, let's see... the stake odds is at 1.57 - 2.36 (Estrada - Gonzalez)

I like the idea to KO his opponent for none controversial judgment.

Odd is not that wide but if you love to take much better earnings, risking for him to win would give you that decent amount,
it's just fate for both this fighter as they are really competitive and they both wanted to win against one another, it's with how
the training camp prepare their fighter having higher chances of winning..

Just by looking at the current odds, this will be a competitive and will be a war. The consensus of the community is Estrada, but there are also who love to go to the underdog, Gonzalez. I'm sure that we will see more odds at sportsbet.io as the fight gets closer and probably offer more juicy odds for either of the fighter.

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What makes this fight more interesting is that even the guy who fought Estrada and Gonzales twice is having a hard time predicting who will win this match.

Below is a quote from SRISAKET SOR RUNGVISAI, the only guy who has beaten Gonzales twice and Estrada once.

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It’s hard to say who is better. Both are extremely good in different aspects, so I think it depends on who can make the opponent fight [his fight]. Sorry, I cannot pick who is better.

I'll go with Gonzales here as he has the better defense of the two and got some power too.

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on March 08, 2021, 07:03:40 AM

This fight gonna be intense, they got both have 2 and 3 total losses which both of them will really fight for the win.

But Chocolatito is more exciting as he has more KO wins, so he needs to find a way to KO his opponent as he is not favored to win this fight, his best chance to win is to KO so there will be no more controversial decision in case it will reach to the judges scorecard.

the odds are not that wide. and they favoured estrada here. but yes, if Chocolatito will KO his opponent, which he is very capable of. that would be a nice shot for him in this boxing career. seems that we will see a toe-to-toe fight here in the next few days.
bet on Chocolatito here, let's see... the stake odds is at 1.57 - 2.36 (Estrada - Gonzalez)

I like the idea to KO his opponent for none controversial judgment.

Odd is not that wide but if you love to take much better earnings, risking for him to win would give you that decent amount,
it's just fate for both this fighter as they are really competitive and they both wanted to win against one another, it's with how
the training camp prepare their fighter having higher chances of winning..

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It is absolutely Estrada who's eager to have a rematch and vengeance to Gonzales.

There are a lot of thing where Estrada can improve and I think that Estrada is in a good condition this time.

If Gonzales will underestimate Estrade because he defeated him in their last match then I think it is over now for him. Being too confident is sometimes not a good idea and I knew a lot of fighters who are super confident at the start then ended up being defeated or knocked out. I will surely place my bet on Estrada as he is an underdog and I really like placing my bets on those underdog fighters.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 08, 2021, 07:14:16 AM

But Chocolatito is more exciting as he has more KO wins, so he needs to find a way to KO his opponent as he is not favored to win this fight, his best chance to win is to KO so there will be no more controversial decision in case it will reach to the judges scorecard.

Experience is everything when it comes to boxing, their last fight was a close one so I think that this fight I can comfortably say that it could be anyone's game because I think that Estrada is more prepared and determined now because he already lost to Chocolatito last time so he knows what mistakes shouldn't be made. A KO will definitely be a good way to win for Estrada because a drawn out fight is going to be in favor of Chocolatito like the last time.

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Quote from: Finestream on March 08, 2021, 07:14:16 AM

Quote from: GreatArkansas on March 08, 2021, 07:03:40 AM

This fight gonna be intense, they got both have 2 and 3 total losses which both of them will really fight for the win.

But Chocolatito is more exciting as he has more KO wins, so he needs to find a way to KO his opponent as he is not favored to win this fight, his best chance to win is to KO so there will be no more controversial decision in case it will reach to the judges scorecard.

the odds are not that wide. and they favoured estrada here. but yes, if Chocolatito will KO his opponent, which he is very capable of. that would be a nice shot for him in this boxing career. seems that we will see a toe-to-toe fight here in the next few days.
bet on Chocolatito here, let's see... the stake odds is at 1.57 - 2.36 (Estrada - Gonzalez)

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Quote from: GreatArkansas on March 08, 2021, 07:03:40 AM

This fight gonna be intense, they got both have 2 and 3 total losses which both of them will really fight for the win.

But Chocolatito is more exciting as he has more KO wins, so he needs to find a way to KO his opponent as he is not favored to win this fight, his best chance to win is to KO so there will be no more controversial decision in case it will reach to the judges scorecard.

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Here is the boxing records of both.
Roman Gonzales got the small advantage for the age and total bouts.
But the height and reach is for Juan Francisco Estrada, which gonna be a huge advantage for him.
This fight gonna be intense, they got both have 2 and 3 total losses which both of them will really fight for the win.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 08, 2021, 06:09:15 AM

in fact things have changed this time i think Estrada will win, Gonzales seems out of shape to me he made too few matchs in the last time, then age also counts, i personally will bet on Estrada

Gonzales is only 33 years and I think that he is at the peak of his career now even though he got two losses with the same guy.

You may be right, things have changed and odds have favored Estrada to win but fighting a guy who has beat you will get you some mental disadvantage and that may work in Gonzales's favor.

Estrada 1.54 Gonzales 2.32

Current odds ^^ at my favorite bookies and I'm pretty sure that they will add more options and it's gonna be attractive to bet for Gonzales.

Chocolatito winning by KO, I think that's a good option to add as he is the underdog so for sure it will be around 3.00 or more.
As per betting odds in https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/matchups/estrada-juan-francisco-gonzalez-roman-600568ff116dfd236e6f5900

There's only 2 option for now, but one day before the fight for sure there will be more market to see.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 07, 2021, 11:18:18 PM

in fact things have changed this time i think Estrada will win, Gonzales seems out of shape to me he made too few matchs in the last time, then age also counts, i personally will bet on Estrada

Gonzales is only 33 years and I think that he is at the peak of his career now even though he got two losses with the same guy.

You may be right, things have changed and odds have favored Estrada to win but fighting a guy who has beat you will get you some mental disadvantage and that may work in Gonzales's favor.

Estrada 1.54 Gonzales 2.32

Current odds ^^ at my favorite bookies and I'm pretty sure that they will add more options and it's gonna be attractive to bet for Gonzales.

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I rewatched the first fight a few days ago and the fight was much closer than what the scorecards suggested. Estrada fought really well at a distance but Gonzalez was able to chase him down and force him to exchange. The 12th round was an absolute war and both guys were trying to win by knockout because they knew how close it was.

It was a back and forth war, really hard to judge because the rounds are very close, except for a few that can with Estrada and then obviously on Gonzalez side. But the majority of rounds, either Estrada will start very strong, then Gonzalez coming back, or when you think that Gonzalez is winning, comes Estrada closing the round with a flurry of punches. Although it doesn't have the power to knock down Gonzalez, but even to bother and touch him up.

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In that first fight Estrada had to go down a weight class but in the rematch they will be fighting two weights above at super flyweight. This should be Estrada's biggest advantage because he is naturally the bigger man.

And with that said, that's why Estrada seems to be the favourite and for sure their could be power as he will be fighting in his natural weight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 07, 2021, 11:18:18 PM

in fact things have changed this time i think Estrada will win, Gonzales seems out of shape to me he made too few matchs in the last time, then age also counts, i personally will bet on Estrada

You are with the majority as Estrada is the favorites here.

As per record of the two it can be seen that Gonzalez is more active as he fought twice last year while Estrada only fought once.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/467843
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/319725

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I rewatched the first fight a few days ago and the fight was much closer than what the scorecards suggested. Estrada fought really well at a distance but Gonzalez was able to chase him down and force him to exchange. The 12th round was an absolute war and both guys were trying to win by knockout because they knew how close it was.

In that first fight Estrada had to go down a weight class but in the rematch they will be fighting two weights above at super flyweight. This should be Estrada's biggest advantage because he is naturally the bigger man.

That could be the case but we have to consider that there is a mindgame involved, as you have said Chocolatito won their first bout and that could strain Estrada mentally because he is unconsciously pressured to defeat Chocolatito but that is just my theory, I agree that it can be another close fight but I would go for Chocolatito's experience could be the X-factor that might might make this fight favor him but as I have said in my last reply in this thread, anything could go wrong or right in this fight.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 07, 2021, 11:18:18 PM

In that first fight Estrada had to go down a weight class but in the rematch they will be fighting two weights above at super flyweight. This should be Estrada's biggest advantage because he is naturally the bigger man.

Estrada has improved a lot and Chocolatito is an aging warrior, the ball is on Estrada now he is the slight favorite here I expect the fight to be like the first fight explosive, with both fighters going all out, it will come down on the fighter with more steam, because the fight will go to full 12 rounds of slug fest just like the first one, but I don't rule out a knock out along the way.

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I rewatched the first fight a few days ago and the fight was much closer than what the scorecards suggested. Estrada fought really well at a distance but Gonzalez was able to chase him down and force him to exchange. The 12th round was an absolute war and both guys were trying to win by knockout because they knew how close it was.

In that first fight Estrada had to go down a weight class but in the rematch they will be fighting two weights above at super flyweight. This should be Estrada's biggest advantage because he is naturally the bigger man.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 03, 2021, 02:51:08 PM

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I just watched the devastating loss of Chocolatito, he is a fighter who loves to slug it out, that's his style he will not run in any fight he loves to move forward, engage and go all out, and he will likely get knocked out against big puncher if Estrada now has that, then he has a good chance of winning, I expect Chocolatito to move forward and slug it out, Estrada should be ready to this.

Estrada is known more as a technical fighter but in his last fight, against Carlos Cuadras, he engaged in a slugfest. He was dropped in the 3rd round and was also bloodied in the fight. This fight against Chocolatito has the potential to play out similarly. Chocolatito is from Nicaragua but he has that Mexican fighting style. I am expecting a very entertaining fight.

This is really going to be a entertaining fight, who has a history between Mexico vs Nicaragua. Carlos Cuadras has the power to potentially knock out everyone in this division. Just imagine Estrada having the same kind of power in this first fight, I doubt that Chocolatito will survived that slugfest. Time has change though, and that's why bookies has now favored Estrada as Chocolatito has suffered losses already.

Still good odds though even for the favorite Estrada, but much better to wait for more betting options.

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Seven-Day Weights: Estrada 118-Pounds, Chocolatito 118.2-Pounds

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Per WBC rules, participants are required to weigh no heavier than 3% above the contracted limit for a sanctioned fight at the seven-day mark. Estrada (41-3, 28KOs) weighed 118 pounds at that point, while Gonzalez (50-2, 41KOs) checked in at 118.2 points. The maximum allowable limit is 119 pounds, rounded up from 3% more than the 115-pound divisional limit.

https://www.boxingscene.com/seven-day-weights-estrada-118-pounds-chocolatito-1182-pounds--155944

Both fighters are slowly getting into their required weight, this will be a war, and basing on the comments, it is a 50/50 fight. Current odds:

Estrada to win: @1.54
Gonzalez to win @2.32

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I would love to bet for Gonzalez, and upon looking on the 4 wins he got I'm convinced that in his upcoming fights the odds is bigger compared with Estrada. This is very interesting, when we based their track record because their skills always matters in every match.
Through predictions isn't that accurate, but at least we have sighted our potential winning bets for boxing. Chances is 50/50 basis only and final stage is during the live fight results.

Gonzales is the big fish in this fight, he won the last fight against Estrada which is definitely a factor. I have to disagree with you about the chances that it is a 50/50 because I believe that Gonzales can do a repeat despite a clear disadvantage on reach and height, experience is nothing to be disregarded when it comes to this fight.

I agree that Gonzales has a slight advantage (mentally) as he has beaten Estrada in their last fight but that was almost 13 years ago if I'm not wrong and things have changed after that.

As a matter of fact, bookies have favored Estrada slightly to win the rematch which makes this fight 50/50, we never knew who will win until it's over.

Personally, I'm betting for Roman Gonzales as he already has figured how to beat Estrada and the most important thing is that betting on the former gives a bigger profit.

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Quote from: aioc on March 03, 2021, 08:53:29 AM

I would love to bet for Gonzalez, and upon looking on the 4 wins he got I'm convinced that in his upcoming fights the odds is bigger compared with Estrada. This is very interesting, when we based their track record because their skills always matters in every match.
Through predictions isn't that accurate, but at least we have sighted our potential winning bets for boxing. Chances is 50/50 basis only and final stage is during the live fight results.

Gonzales is the big fish in this fight, he won the last fight against Estrada which is definitely a factor. I have to disagree with you about the chances that it is a 50/50 because I believe that Gonzales can do a repeat despite a clear disadvantage on reach and height, experience is nothing to be disregarded when it comes to this fight.

With respect to Gonzalez, I guess performances varies from time to time and we couldn't expect another same fight as with previous right? That's unpredictable everytime a boxer would fight in the ring, so don't ignore other possibilities which maybe able to change the future. Though Gonzalez has the advantage, we shouldn't ignore his potential weaknesses as well as Estrada.

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I just watched the devastating loss of Chocolatito, he is a fighter who loves to slug it out, that's his style he will not run in any fight he loves to move forward, engage and go all out, and he will likely get knocked out against big puncher if Estrada now has that, then he has a good chance of winning, I expect Chocolatito to move forward and slug it out, Estrada should be ready to this.

Estrada is known more as a technical fighter but in his last fight, against Carlos Cuadras, he engaged in a slugfest. He was dropped in the 3rd round and was also bloodied in the fight. This fight against Chocolatito has the potential to play out similarly. Chocolatito is from Nicaragua but he has that Mexican fighting style. I am expecting a very entertaining fight.

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Quote from: crzy on March 03, 2021, 08:00:18 AM

Considering the previous fights of Gonzales, it looks like he’s on and off in the court and not consistent at all but of course that win record against Estrada is a big factor towards this match. We know that Estrada is eager to bounce back and for sure he trained a lot so he can finally beat Gonzales. For me, its hard to see who will win the match so I’ll also go for a 50/50 result because both of these fighters are good enough to entertain us.

I just watched the devastating loss of Chocolatito, he is a fighter who loves to slug it out, that's his style he will not run in any fight he loves to move forward, engage and go all out, and he will likely get knocked out against big puncher if Estrada now has that, then he has a good chance of winning, I expect Chocolatito to move forward and slug it out, Estrada should be ready to this.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on March 03, 2021, 06:18:27 AM

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I would love to bet for Gonzalez, and upon looking on the 4 wins he got I'm convinced that in his upcoming fights the odds is bigger compared with Estrada. This is very interesting, when we based their track record because their skills always matters in every match.
Through predictions isn't that accurate, but at least we have sighted our potential winning bets for boxing. Chances is 50/50 basis only and final stage is during the live fight results.

Gonzales is the big fish in this fight, he won the last fight against Estrada which is definitely a factor. I have to disagree with you about the chances that it is a 50/50 because I believe that Gonzales can do a repeat despite a clear disadvantage on reach and height, experience is nothing to be disregarded when it comes to this fight.

Considering the previous fights of Gonzales, it looks like he’s on and off in the court and not consistent at all but of course that win record against Estrada is a big factor towards this match. We know that Estrada is eager to bounce back and for sure he trained a lot so he can finally beat Gonzales. For me, its hard to see who will win the match so I’ll also go for a 50/50 result because both of these fighters are good enough to entertain us.

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Which cryptocurrency bookers is good to place a bet?

There is no open betting for this fight yet on the crypto sportsbook. Maybe a couple of days before the fight.

As always recommended, you can stick with your preferred sportsbook as odds aren't that gap for sure.

We will see bet for this fight surely on Sportsbet, Nitrogen and Stake for example.

it is already listed in some sportsbooks here - check the bestodds

https://www.bestodds.ai/odds/sport-boxing/matchups/roman-gonzalez-vs-juan-francisco-estrada

they are favouring estrada here but the gap is not that wide. in FJ, gonzalez vs estrada = 2.22 vs 1.67. just to give an idea about their odds
for sure, other top bookies here will add this match in the next coming days

Wow! Estrada is the favorites, I guess this is not what the fans are expecting, I most of the fans here will favor Chocolatito to win.
Who agrees with me?

Maybe a poll would be great, we will know who is the favorites to win here and we can also use it a reference when putting our bet.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on March 01, 2021, 03:27:03 AM

I would love to bet for Gonzalez, and upon looking on the 4 wins he got I'm convinced that in his upcoming fights the odds is bigger compared with Estrada. This is very interesting, when we based their track record because their skills always matters in every match.
Through predictions isn't that accurate, but at least we have sighted our potential winning bets for boxing. Chances is 50/50 basis only and final stage is during the live fight results.

Gonzales is the big fish in this fight, he won the last fight against Estrada which is definitely a factor. I have to disagree with you about the chances that it is a 50/50 because I believe that Gonzales can do a repeat despite a clear disadvantage on reach and height, experience is nothing to be disregarded when it comes to this fight.

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Juan Francisco Estrada and Roman ‘Chocolatito’ Gonzalez will clash in a unification rematch for the WBC, WBA and Ring Magazine World Super-Flyweight titles on Saturday March 13, live on DAZN in over 200+ countries and territories and presented in association with Zanfer Promotions, Teiken Promotions and Latin Sports.

The rematch between these two Super-Flyweight stars is exciting as we can hardly predict who will win and bookies are giving us an odds wherein it is not one-sided.

Though Estrada lost to Gonzales in their first meeting but things have change. Gonzales managed only to win 4 fights in his last 6 outings and he is 3 years older than Estrada.

Let's talk about this fighters in this lighter division as the betting odds is quite attractive.

Who's your bet?

I would love to bet for Gonzalez, and looking at the 4 wins he got I'm convinced that in his upcoming fights the odds is bigger compared with Estrada. This is very interesting, when we based their track record on fight history their skills always matters in every match.
Though predictions isn't that accurate, but at least we have sighted our potential winning bets for boxing. Chances is 50/50 basis only and final stage is during the live fight results.

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Quote from: Saisher on March 03, 2021, 12:15:34 AM

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This is a rematch that has been several years in the making. Chocolatito was brutally knocked out a few fights ago and people thought he was done. He came back and won a title against a good opponent, Kal Yafai, who was favored to beat him. I really wouldn't count him out at this point but Estrada is closer to his prime and that's who I would put my money on.

This is the brutal knock out Chocolatito suffered and exposes some of his weakness like lack of defense when going inside, Estrada will have a hint on where to hit Gonzales but Estrada is not a big puncher he will have to work hard to score more points because Chocolatito when he can take your punches, he will go forward, if Estrada can have that big punches he'll have a chance if Gonzalez move forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abWkr8L17eA

That is the thing with Estrada, he lacks power, not a big puncher that's why Chocolatito was able to win comfortable in the judges eye in their first fight because Chocolatito is not the busier fighter, but his punch has sting and has effect on Estrada.

While Estrada continue to put volumes, it has no effect on Chocolatito. But I think Chocolatito is already on the twilight of his career already so I think Estrada can avenge his defeat here.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on March 02, 2021, 09:00:03 PM

This is a rematch that has been several years in the making. Chocolatito was brutally knocked out a few fights ago and people thought he was done. He came back and won a title against a good opponent, Kal Yafai, who was favored to beat him. I really wouldn't count him out at this point but Estrada is closer to his prime and that's who I would put my money on.

This is the brutal knock out Chocolatito suffered and exposes some of his weakness like lack of defense when going inside, Estrada will have a hint on where to hit Gonzales but Estrada is not a big puncher he will have to work hard to score more points because Chocolatito when he can take your punches, he will go forward, if Estrada can have that big punches he'll have a chance if Gonzalez move forward.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 02, 2021, 07:48:00 PM

I don't understand why Estrada is the betting favorite when he lost the first fight?

Anyway, although Chocolatito is the older fighter, and has lost 2 out of 6 in his last fight, I think he still has that last push to beat his rival here. We are talking about pride as well, he had beaten Estrada already in an epic war and he will love to do it again and prove that he is one of the greatest Super-Flyweight in the modern era. So I have Chocolatito winning in another unanimous decision.

The first fight was close and could have gone either way. If I remember correctly most people felt that Estrada should have won.

This is a rematch that has been several years in the making. Chocolatito was brutally knocked out a few fights ago and people thought he was done. He came back and won a title against a good opponent, Kal Yafai, who was favored to beat him. I really wouldn't count him out at this point but Estrada is closer to his prime and that's who I would put my money on.

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Quote from: Kemarit on March 02, 2021, 07:48:00 PM

I don't understand why Estrada is the betting favorite when he lost the first fight?

Anyway, although Chocolatito is the older fighter, and has lost 2 out of 6 in his last fight, I think he still has that last push to beat his rival here. We are talking about pride as well, he had beaten Estrada already in an epic war and he will love to do it again and prove that he is one of the greatest Super-Flyweight in the modern era. So I have Chocolatito winning in another unanimous decision.

The fight could go either way I'm sure Estrada will be very much preparing this time around, I honestly think it's hard to figure out who is going to be the winner here fighters keeps improving and sometimes a rematch could become different from their first fight based on their last performance, of course, age is a big factor.

Yes, this fight for me is still 50:50, Estrada has improved while Chocolatito wear and tear has been evident in the last couple of fights. And there was some interview that he says he is already contented with his legacy as he has beaten a lot of good fighters in his prime.

So we don't know if he still has it, to pull the trigger and beat his Estrada again in the rematch. Many variables have to be considered here, that's why I say that this is a 50:50 fight.

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I don't understand why Estrada is the betting favorite when he lost the first fight?

Anyway, although Chocolatito is the older fighter, and has lost 2 out of 6 in his last fight, I think he still has that last push to beat his rival here. We are talking about pride as well, he had beaten Estrada already in an epic war and he will love to do it again and prove that he is one of the greatest Super-Flyweight in the modern era. So I have Chocolatito winning in another unanimous decision.

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