Topic: [Boxing] Jason Moloney vs Vincent Astrolabio WBO 118lbs Title (May 13) (Read 498 times)

Got nothing against Moloney but i think his grasp of the championship belt will be short-live, i mean his talent is not so special, just an average boxer with a supportive promoter and the championship was held in his home turf hehe.

Moloney said that he will enjoy the moment of being a champion as of now and let his promoter do his work after some months of celebration.

As usual, thank you all for your contributions/comments/ideas about this fight, time to lock the thread now as it has been four days since the fight and there's not much to talk about.

There is no news yet regarding Moloney's plans for his next fight. He is probably still enjoying his significant victory and newfound championship status. We should keep an eye on the news to get updates on his next moves.

As for a potential unification bout against Donaire (in case Donaire wins a championship fight), I don't believe it's likely to happen. If Moloney chose not to fight Donaire when he wasn't a champion, why would he suddenly opt to face a champion Donaire? The point here is that Moloney wants to avoid a KO defeat from Donaire, plain and simple.

A twin within the same league with same debut year but in two different divisions, Andrew is now taking his attempt to take a shot WBO Superfly while his brother, Jason, is in the upper weight class who is now the WBO champion. That sums it all and to say, it is indeed rare to see a twin in a contact sport playing professionally, we may have brothers but a twin is a different discussion.

I won't be surprised if that happens.

If there was someone that wants Moloney to face an easier opponent to become a champion, it would be Bob Arum. Nonetheless, Arum has his own valid reasons, old Donaire until now wasted a lot of time, energy, and money as well as it is assumed that he is already training.

At last, I already watched the whole replay yesterday on Youtube. The reception was only 720p though and I was sleepy so I did not score the fight. But from my own limited observation, it was close and could have gone either way? And the Mexican broadcasters followed someone's scorecard who actually had Astrolabio winning 116-112. I haven't seen the per-round stats yet but I heard Moloney connected more although I valued power punches more than just jabs and Astrolabio seemed to have landed the heavier shots.  

I also watched an interview with Moloney. I was surprised that his hand was actually injured in round 3 or 4 of that fight. And he kept it a secret and did not show any hints even to his own corner because he was afraid that they might stop the fight and would stop his chance of becoming a champion. He was in a hospital after the fight and stayed there until 2 AM. That was probably the reason why he stick to moving and using his skills. And I am surprised that he was so confident that he really won very clearly in that fight. His mind right after the fight was that he won 11 or 10 or 9 out of 12. And then lastly, he mentioned that he would love to unify the belt for a chance to become undisputed, Donaire included. He is hoping to bring another big unification fight to Australia again.

By the way, next weekend is the Haney-Lomachenko event. The main supporting event is Jason Moloney's twin brother, Andrew Moloney trying to become a 2-time champion against the undefeated Japanese Junto Nakatani who is moving up in weight to become a 2 division champion. There were only a few brothers that became world champions and it's rare to see twins become champions. This might steal the show if Haney keeps on hugging and making his fight with Loma a boring one.

Obviously, that was the case because it was supposed to be Moloney vs. Donaire fighting for the championship belt. However, Moloney backed out and chose a different opponent whom he believed he could defeat. His decision turned out to be correct as he emerged victorious in a hard-fought, tight match.

So the question remains, what's next for Moloney? Will he continue to play it safe and avoid Donaire as a challenger? Or if Donaire wins a championship, would Moloney be willing to unify the belts?

It's a tough loss, but it is what it is. Nowadays, boxing seems to be more about politics, with promoters aiming to maximize profits from their cash cow and protect their investments. Unfortunately, this kind of strategy is diminishing the excitement in boxing, as it should be about the best fighting the best. However, in the case of Moloney, it appears he is hesitant to face an older Donaire.

A unification fight between Donaire and Moloney is far from happening as of now because Donaire has to become a champion first but if that happens in the future, i dont think Top Rank will easily agree to a fight with the WBC champion Donaire until the latter retires, i think that is the time when they will venture for a unification fight hehe.

As for Astrolabio, it's just unfortunate for him that he didn't knock out Moloney because that's the only way for him to win the fight as the fight was held in Australia where a decision win is not easily given to the Aussie's opponent.

Even if those things were true, it will not change the fact that Naoya Inoue have the full control of that fight and he got the advantage needed to defeat the aging Donaire. Even if let's say that Donaire wore the right gloves that made him comfortable enough, he might last longer but I seriously think that it will still end via KO or TKO.

Regarding the fact that Moloney is somehow scared towards the current Donaire, there is a good chance that he will avoid that fight at first until he can make Donaire retire. For now, Donaire should focus on his fight and making things happen because until now, there are no solid news surfacing that their championship fight is happening soon enough.

Donaire's camp cited some issue during the last fight against Inoue and it has something to do with the gloves.  Donaire's camp stated that Donaire used different gloves that made him feel uncomfortable/awkward during their last fight.  It may add to the advantage of Inoue but I still think Inoue will still win that fight because of the difference in physical ability.


Hopefully Donaire can bag this fight and have a chance for unification fight.  I hope before he hang his gloves, he can at least have another chance to a title unification fight.  Moloney knows that he won't win in the current state of Donaire so he looks for a chance to avoid Donaire and prolong the time of their possible match-up hoping that age will give a toll on Donaire.

I still believe in Donaire's capability to win a title but it's still hard to asses his motivation and his preparation coming from a devastating loss, at 40,  Donaire is not the same fighter we love seeing in a ring with his quick jab and power left hook, although only his carelessness cause him his fight against Inoue.
His fight against Santiago will define if he can still continue or end his road, but if he can show his old form he can easily beat Moloney if Moloney's fight against Astrolabio is the best that he can come out.

Judging from Jason Moloney's recent performance versus Vincent Astrolabio, I can say as well that Donaire got a good chance on beating the new WBO champion for a unification fight in-case Donaire wins his campaign versus Santiago to possess the vacant WBC belt. All that is left now for Donaire is to materialize his own fight.

There are many rumors that are now surfacing in the internet but none of those made serious sense on why his bout took too long before they can make it, except for the Probellum's current situation which is Donaire's promoter.

Hopefully he can materialize his own fight as soon as possible so that he can at least fight again if he's still able before this year ends, he needed to have another fight as long as he still can because his age is already catching up to him slowly by slowly and it will take a toll on his body once father time is already riding with him. For now, it seems that it is not yet the case because he is still eager to make such fight which means he can still handle it very well mainly now that Inoue is already out of the horizon.

I also think Donaire has the advantage and if he has a chance to fight the other champion, he might have a higher chance of winning the unification bout.  It is sad that Astrolabio failed to get the WBO belt but I believe Donaire will be able to beat Moloney for a unification bout if it happens.  I only wish that the future match of Donaire will happen in the time frame when he isn't that exhausted because of old age.

I expect Donaire to win one of the remaining titles because of all the boxers here in this division after Inoue left Donaire is a serious contender to be a champion, this is Donaire's last hurrah or hope to become a champion and possibly retire, all boxers want a good exit they don't want a big loss when they are going out of the boxing world and with old age approaching fast, Donaire need one good fight and it should be a title fight.

Every judge has their preference which often times conflict with the audience.  The highlights shared on the earlier reply is somehow biased because it only highlighted the part where Astrolabio is performing good and see how it jumps rounds.  The missed round is probably where Moloney is performing better.

I believe Astrolabio is waiting to counter for the big shot reason why on the earlier round he isn't as agrressive as when it was on the late round.  And that is Astrolabio's short coming because the chance to have that opportunity never came.  Aside from that, Astrolabio's camp is boasting about Moloney is uncapable of a knock out but boxing isn't won by knocking out the opponent only.  It is obvious that Moloney outsmarted Astrolabio in this fight.

I’m expecting Maloney to win though upon watching the Match, I thought he’s gonna lose on this one but it turns out positive to him. Astrolabio did a great job as well throwing more punches but most of them are not that good, I think Maloney strategy works to stay away and do a counter punch, he got a win and this is a closest fight for Maloney.

I truly support Vincent Astrolabio in this fight but sorry to say that Jason Moloney wins the fight based on my own view. Maybe what others are trying to call out is, should not be a majority decision win for Moloney but somehow Astrolabio won even 1 of the judges. But for me, it's really clear that Moloney deserves the win. I doubt a rematch should be followed up. Just move on, and try to settle a deal again for the title match.

Now that there's another Bantamweight Champion, there are now 2 current champions in the Bantamweight Division:

Takuma Inoue - WBA
Jason Moloney - WBO

On the other hand, Nonito Donaire Jr. and Alejandro Santiago's WBC Bantamweight Title match is still hanging in the air with no updates.

I was late to watch this fight. I tuned in just in time before the ring walk of the main event. Janibek is really a force to be reckoned with. Probably the next Kazakh star but more technical than GGG. Hoping to see him unify against the other belt holders soon.

About this fight, I watched the highlights of Top Rank and I thought Astrolabio was winning or maybe it was a close fight. That made me curious so I started asking my friends. Someone explained to me that Astrolabio was clearly losing this one as Moloney was using his skills rather than trading heavy blows. So that was it. Better luck next time. Highlights are not enough to determine fights anyways.

Right? Even the people who watched the fight live didn't buy the judge's decision to make it in-favor to Moloney. Another cooking show happened in broad daylight!

At least boxing commission should take a look on this or at least the Filipino boxer deserves to have a rematch but unfortunately, I will not be surprised if Moloney will not give it a chance because he knows himself that he just got lucky because he was being favored but there will be no next time if he chooses to push his luck for a rematch.

Definitely. It doesn't look like Maloney is a winner inside the ring. He just keeps ducking and throwing fewer punches. While Astro keeps the center and pushes Maloney to the corner every time. Yet the majority decided he is the winner. Heck is wrong with these judges.

I didn't bet nor watch it live. Though this is a belt fight, Astro is not a popular fighter, which I guess only a few may have bet.  I watched it on youtube though. Seem a boring fight but sure to me Astro is the winner.

I didn't watch the fight live, but I was able to watch a replay of the fight, in the first round it looked like Moloney was at a slight disadvantage, Astrolabio remained in the center to corner Moloney, but then Astrolabio started to gain ground and also remained in the center and managed to land a few punches on Astrolabio's face, with Moloney remaining in the center Astrolabio was forced to retreat further, but then Astrolabio started his much more aggressive counterattack and landed some punches on his opponent, but strangely that I saw the Astrolabe being better than Moloney

Astrolabio seemed to put more pressure on his opponent who I honestly don't understand why he lost, at least in the replay video I watched it seemed to me that Astrolabio deserved to come out of this fight with a victory, even in the many comments I read nobody agreed with the victory of Moloney, it's a very strange decision by the judges, in my opinion the judges should have declared Astrolabio the winner, but in the end their decision is final and only they know what led them to decide in favor of Moloney, the fact is that this decision by the judges generated negative comments, most of the comments I read do not agree with this decision

I did not get a chance to watch the match because I'm on the road and my phone was off, I only get to watch the highlight I agree it should be a draw but this is a championship fight there should be a winner, Astrolabio chance is a knock out since this is in a foreign soil so the title goes to Moloney.
Moloney is not a tough champion he can be beaten by Donaire if ever they meet in the ring he is beatable and there are a lot of flaws to his style, he is not even a hard puncher.

I watch the replay and I think Astrolabio wasn't starting slow, actually he was aggressive and always catch Moloney. Moloney is a counter puncher here and he punch less than Astrolabio. Although Moloney's punch is more accurate, but he only punch Astrolabio few times, not really deserved he's become a winner.

At least it should be a draw, or Astrolabio win with a close scorecard 115-113.

In this game of boxing, Astrolabio should be the one who needs to be more aggressive and preferably score a knockdown at least 2 in that fight for him to clearly win it but he seems to have a hard time finding his rhythm and scoring a power punch that is enough to knock down Moloney. If this was Donaire, I think he could easily beat Moloney against that performance because of Donaire's speed and power, he could quickly catch him and throw a lethal powerful punch that will gonna seriously hurt him.

But the thing is that Moloney has been drop by the WBC in their rankings. So not sure even if Moloney is the champion now, that they will allow their rank boxers to cross over the WBO and fight Moloney. You know, boxing politics, but I guess when their is money for both WBO and WBC they might have to sit down and settle and allow it to happen.

We shall wait first for the Donaire vs Santiago, at least we have filled one of the belts that Inoue has left. So it's time for other governing body to step up and also put a champion in their organization.

Moloney won't be able to do that against Donaire because Donaire has the reach advantage. He will be the aggressor once he faces Donaire, and based on his performance in this fight, I wouldn't be surprised if Donaire scores a knockdown or even a knockout. It was a great fight for Astrolabio; I thought he would win, but since Moloney is the more popular name, the outcome of the fight was already expected.

Let's follow Moloney's journey. It would be nice if he shows bravery and gives Donaire a chance to fight him, in case Donaire's fight with Santiago doesn't push through.

But I'm not convinced by the performance of Moloney though, and for sure some of us here might agree with me.

And I'm not surprised at all why at any cost Moloney wanted no part of Donaire even they said that Nonito is old already. From this fight, Moloney is not impressive and it Astrolabio has just the final kick in this fight he could have won by a knockout.

But I guess Moloney is satisfied circling around and trying to avoid the power of Vincent and score a victory but very close in the judges card.

Just to help you, here's the fight highlights of Moloney vs Astrolabio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2PWMTX4d4

Seeing the replay did not really convinced me that Moloney won that fight, I know that I'm leaning towards the Filipino boxer but I'm not that biased, it's just that the scoring wasn't that on-point. Majority Decision was correct but the winner is not, and you can see why people who watched the fight live are not satisfied by the result as they boo-ed Moloney and the judges after the winner was announced.

I also looked on the comments below and I'm not that surprised to see that many fans are not that swayed by the result either. There was no significant performance made by Moloney and he was just practically cycling around the ring when he tasted Astrolabio's punch.

That's what exactly happens, Astrolabio try to rally in the later rounds and actually went for a knockout in the last two rounds but Moloney's defense won't let him, it's a majority decision win for Moloney, so we have a new champion in the WBO version hopefully Donaire will have a fight for the other versions because he can possibly beat all the top boxers in the 118 lbs.
I still believe that Astrolabio will have a chance to win a title in the future this is a learning experience for him.

That's an opportunity he wasted; he could have been the champion by now. Well, as of this moment, Moloney has already become a champion, while Donaire is still waiting for his fight to be scheduled. If Donaire wins, is there any possibility that Moloney and Donaire will have an immediate unification fight?

I also wasn't able to watch the fight, but I bet on Vincent Astrolabio to win by ML.

So perhaps if Vincent should have done more in the second half of the fight, he could have won here. But we can't do anything about it now, just another lessons for him and maybe he will get another chance in the future to crack for the belt again.

From what I read Astrolabio started very slow and allowing Moloney to dictate the game and it was like at the start of round 7 that he started to very aggressive but it was late as Moloney has piled points already from the judges scorecard.

I was not able to watch the fight but we have a winner.



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I need to watch the replay to see how Moloney won this fight. I believe he had a good chance of winning since he was the slight favorite, and it seems like he made the right decision by avoiding Donaire. I'm curious to see how he managed to secure the victory.

Perhaps it's a blessing in disguise for Vincent, but in any case, another Filipino that Moloney will have to win and get over to be able to claim that vacant belt so not going to be easy.


He is not a huge underdog base on the odds, so chances are high for him to pull a big win and upset Moloney and see another Filipino belt holder. But it won't be easy as Moloney has also set his eyes for the belt ever since Inoue move up. One thing can can be positive is that Astrolabio is not afraid to go toe to toe and if Moloney fight that way, then he will be chin tested by Vincent and who knows, maybe he can go down here.

It's good to see that there is a thread because this is a title fight. On paper, this fight is more appealing than Janibek's title defense, although I can understand that he is the main event because he is hyped as the next star from Kazakhstan since GGG is old already and might even not return to the ring. His opponent is also popular in Canada and is a KO artist, probably the next David Lemieux?

Back to the Astrolabio vs Moloney, I did not really expect this match to happen. Bob Arum perfectly made the right move canceling the previous Donaire fight since the guy is being handled by a promoter with issues from US authorities. We don't even know when old Donaire is fighting. But earlier, Astrolabio was thought to face another PBC fighter, ex-champ Emmanuel Rodriguez for the vacant IBF. It's surprising that he is now facing a Top Rank fighter, it would've been Raymart Gaballo facing Moloney tomorrow.

Anyways, I hope Astrolabio can pull a big win. This is not an easy fight but he needs to win rounds convincingly as he is fighting against the event promoter's fighter. I think it was unnecessary to bring a kangaroo stuff toy and trash-talk Moloney because the Aussie is not intimidated and is unaffected. But it showed Astrolabio's confidence in this fight. But he should stay focused and stay away from unnecessary stunts once inside the ring because Moloney is not old Rigo and he carries a KO punch in both hands.

 
More betting options for this fight have been posted just a day before their official weigh-in. Here are some:

Stake.com | Jason Moloney vs Vincent Astrolabio
Sportsbet.io | Jason Moloney vs Vincent Astrolabio

From the slightest favorite, Jason Moloney now elevated being the Favorite. Don't know how the Moneyline odds adjusted from close one to quite distant.

Both boxers already face off each other at the press conference and it seems Astrolabio is more on being cocky while Moloney is just calm lol. Later in the day, they will now meet up on their official weigh-in, and hopefully, no weight issues and problems will occur at both parties.

Very well said. It's not that Astrolabio is underestimating Moloney because of his defeat against Rodriguez and Inoue, they just view it as their own advantage because they have more fights to refer and to see which points they should consider to increase their winning chance compared to Moloney's position because his opponent, Astrolabio, have losses much earlier in his career so it will be hard for them to consider that as there will be some improvements along the years that have passed.

Well, these two certainly got their own reasons why they agreed on this fight because I don't really think that Moloney himself didn't see something from Astrolabio that he think he can take advantage and make his chances stronger. They can point their fingers as long as they want but the fact will not change, both of them will have to prove their existence in the industry and fight for the belt they wanted.

Didn't notice that this fight is so near already, hope you guys already placed your bets.

On the contrary, it was Moloney who says that Vincent and his team thought that he is an easier fight for Astrolabio, as compare to Emmanuel Rodriguez and that's why they go that route.

Rodriguez beat Moloney before, and this according to Jason could be the reason why Vincent Astrolabio and his camp chooses him instead of Rodriguez. But in any case, Moloney is the slight favorite so it's not a easier fight for Vincent here. This fight is going to happen this weekend, so another good one store for us and we will see a new champion after this fight.

Vincent is one underdog that has a good chance of winning the title, his match against Rigondeaux is one good experience and is enough to prepare him for a championship fight, not to mention he is coming from a big win and an impressive one against Potapov, he has a good arsenal, he is good in going to the body his last fight against Potapov ended by giving him a good liver punch where Potapov cannot get up, I'm sure Vincent will employ the same strategy he'll go to the body to gain momentums

At first, we can assume that Moloney's camp backed out against Donaire due to ducking and instead chose an easy path by facing Astrolabio.

But if we look deeply, it looks like it has something to do with promotional issues. Top Rank CEO Bob Arum who holds Moloney, I believed cut ties and avoid doing transactions with Probellum because of Daniel's Kinahan issue. Just my guess though.


He really should. We are talking about fighting against Jason Moloney here and for those who didn't know, he's the top contender and ranked 1st by the WBC in the Bantamweight division (118) before being dropped out. Upon entering the WBO ranking list, being ranked 1st right away.

The odds are actually not that far from each other. So it means, the bookies are considering the skills of Astrolabio.
Because if Moloney is highly considered as the favorite, the odds will be like 1.0x, 1.1 or 1.2x odds.
In any case, we will see the real action in couple of days and see if Astro really has something to offer.
Remember, he is a Filipino boxer, and Filipino boxers are known to be one of the toughest inside the ring.

We might have to admit it, Moloney on the record is the better boxer here, but as we can Astrolabio is slowly getting on that level. And he wouldn't be in this position if he hasn't had that inside of him, winning against tougher opponents to put him in the second rank behind Moloney.

Thanks for the odds, so yes, it's just slight advantage for Moloney and for me, still a 50/50 fight and Vincent regardless of the odds could pull another upset and may become a champion, just saying. I might be biased, but I will put my money on Vincent here as he is a good and live underdog.

Even the sports bookies are not that sure whom to root because both boxers got a fair chance in winning the vacant WBO belt but because of the fact that Moloney is much more known and fought the likes of Inoue, they listed him as the favorite. That just shows that Vincent here is not that behind, he just need to present what he is made of because this kind of opportunity may not be with him soon if he will not take advantage of this.

Rooting for the Filipino boxer as well, going to take advantage of the line while he is still the underdog.

Donaire and Astrolabio are in bantamweight division, while Tapales is in super bantamweight division.

Even Astrolabio will win in this fight, I don't think Donaire will want to fight with him because like you said both of them are from the same country that make not many people are interested to watch it. Donaire fight against Santiago isn't really clear too because there's no bookie add the fight and there's no upcoming news.

This is what you call betting with emotions, hehe... Well, I guess I will also jump on the bandwagon and root for the Filipino to win, just to support the boxer. But what will happen if the Filipino wins and Donaire also wins his respective fight? Then we will have three Filipino champions in the same division: Donaire, Tapales, and Astrolabio.

Yes, that's actually true, Moloney is the better boxer here and there's no doubt many gamblers will support him in this fight. It's either Filipinos who will bet for Astrolabio or those who want to take some risk.
I am tailing the bet for Vincent Astrolabio here and there's no regret even if he loses. I want to take my chances for another Filipino to win a title and make them popular again in the world of boxing after the recent rest of no title holders for a year maybe, or more.
Marlon Tapales already stepped up his game, I think Astrolabio will do so after he saw his fellow countryman win and I do believe that can boost his confidence to also do the same.
This will not be an easy fight, Moloney avoided Donaire for a reason, but if Astrolabia keeps on being aggressive, he might snatch it thru UD or SD.
Good luck to us.

Actually, I didn't know that Vincent Astrolabio is a Filipino until you mentioned it in your comment. Well, at first, I believed that Maloney is the better boxer, but I'm going to be biased here and root for Vincent Astrolabio to win.

Astrolabio may be the underdog, but he is only a slight underdog since, based on the betting odds, he has a 2.08 odds of winning while Moloney has 1.72 odds.

For Vincent Astrolabio this fight is not really that hard because he used to fight that kind of style of opponent all the time and also a good exposure for him since Moloney is a worthy opponent to give his all. He needs to put on a show here because this is his chance to shine and might be the best way to train harder to beat Moloney.

Pilipino boxers are always known for upsetting their opponents being an underdog and this one is no exception only in Vincent Astrolabio will gonna work harder in his training because if it's not, he will be the one to lose this fight.

Asian in general, because this is where they really excel and compare to bigger weights wherein it was American and Mexicans. So in any case, it's good for Filipinos though, we have Astrolabio, and then Donaire and Gaballo if I'm not mistaken, campaigning in this division and has a chance as well for the belt in one of those divisions.

Moloney shouldn't underestimate Astrolabio here, his records might not be good, but I think Vincent has learn from his early defeats that why he is not on the brink on winning a belt. It's not how you start, it's how you going to finished your career and for me Vincent is just about to his his peak.

Yes, bantamweight has been a comfortable division for the most Filipino boxers except Manny Pacquiao as he managed to go up as far as welterweight division, and still brought his speed and power with him. John Riel Casimero came from this weight class too but it's just that his weight is not suitable anymore to stay, he could've been one of the title chaser if he's still at 118.

Back to the fight, this is okay because Moloney thinks he can conquer this belt easily just because Vincent Astrolabio is not that known and doesn't have good names in his record. But just like what the poll here suggests, Astrolabio got a good chance to win and we might see another upset made by a Filipino boxer.

After losing to Inoue I don't think he is ready to face Donaire who although also lose his match against Inoue is still dangerous, so he goes the easy way by fighting the unpopular but dangerous Astrolabio who can perform better than Donaire because he is coming from winning streak, I'd like to see their face off and weigh in, which is going to happen next week.
There's a big possibility that the 118 lbs will have two champions because this is a known territory of the Filipinos after Inoue conquer all the titles.

I think Moloney is afraid of Donaire. He was probably looking for an easier way to become a champion, and maybe he thinks that Astrolabio is not as good as Donaire. I'm also interested in watching this fight, which will be in less than a week. Hopefully, someone here will share a free live streaming link.


Just don't risk your money though, you can still enjoy without betting if you aren't sure.

Although I'm not very familiar with these boxers, I believe that they have almost equal skills based on the betting odds. The name Moloney rings a bell for me because he was supposed to fight Donaire, but he backed out and chose another opponent instead.

It's hard to choose a winner since I'm not very familiar with them, and I won't be placing any bets, but I'm definitely going to watch this fight. Who knows, the winner here might unify with Donaire if he wins.

There's not much changes on the odds for this fight, almost even though Moloney is the slight favorite but the number is not significant.

Yeah, doubling our money by betting on Vincent is already a good option but as the fight goes near, i am sure that there will be other options/markets for this fight but i would stick to my plan to bet on the ML odds.

Just hoping that it would still be an upset this time favoring the Filipino pug.

ML is already good bet for Vincent if that is the case, and for sure majority of us will go with the underdog as we can smell a upset here if Moloney is not careful or think that Astrolabio is a easy opponent.

Maybe as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of options for us. But for now, almost doubling our money for a Astrolabio bet? it's already very attractive. And for sure Filipinos are going to stay tune and watch this fight because it could be another world champion for him waiting to happen.

He might think Astrolabia is the easiest way around. I wish this becomes an upset too. I don't like the avoiding part that Jason Moloney did against Nonito Donaire Jr. because The Flash was ready and just waiting for the fight date and he is also expecting to meet him in the ring for the vacant title. Most boxing analysts also did expect that match to happen.
Jason Moloney 1.81
Vincent Astrolabio 1.97
It's not far. So, people are also expecting Astrolabio to upset Moloney here just by using the odds as the basis for it. The other bets are not yet available like KO/TKO win and unanimous decision. I'd love to make a bet but I will wait for the other options to come out and will surely bet for Astrolabio's side either UD or KO.

But Rigo is way out of league compared to Naoya Inoue, so that is somehow incomparable because their recent fights aren't really the same. But I would like to add that Moloney's defeat against the Japanese monster will be a good thing in Astrolabio's camp as they will have a better understanding how to upset the favorite compared to the opposite camp where they have to dig old archives because Astrolabio's defeat was way back 2018 when the Filipino boxer was still in super-flyweight and I reckon that it's not really usable because Astrolabio has improved since that loss.

A:

There is a lot of hype going on in the Philippines, especially in light of the fact that it is the most watched show on TV right now.
The biggest problem is that most Filipinos don't have access to TV, which is a shame because they are used to watching shows that are on the air all the time. This has been the case for a long time, but it is no longer the case.
In the Philippines, there are a lot of things that go on in the media, like political correctness, fake news, etc. The most popular shows are the ones that have nothing to do with politics, but are a part of the entertainment industry.
So, you can see that there is a lot of hype going on in the media, but that is not enough to get people to pay attention to the fights and make a judgement based on what is going on in the media.
I am going to try to answer your questions in a way that you can understand, and I hope this will help you in your decision.

1. How much money do you have to pay to get a fight?
2. What is the difference between boxing and boxing-related fights?
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I voted Astrolabio to win this match because of both fighter's previous fights, I made it a reference because a boxer's last and previous fights will have an impact on his coming fight, so Astrolabio is coming on big wins against a Russian, and a former champion Rigondeaux, while Moloney is coming on a devastated knock out loss against Inoue, so one is coming from a winning momentum while the other is from recovery so I prefer the one coming from good wins than coming from a knockout, I hope my prediction will come true.
Anyway, both fighters deserve to be a champion because they both have good records.

Nice creating this thread, kabayan. It's a must-thread, especially for those PH boxing enthusiasts here.

Just a recap for others, Jason Moloney is the former Rank 1 by the WBC in the 118 lbs division and supposedly, he's the one who will face the rank 2, Nonito Donaire Jr. for the vacant WBC Bantamweight title that is being vacated by Naoya Inoue who now moved up to 122 lbs. Moving forward, Moloney's camp withdraws from the supposed fight with Donaire without detailed information about the reason (there is a reason but not sure if that's accurate as per most boxing fans think). WBC drops Moloney on their ranking list and opt-in instead to face Vincent Astrolabio.

Let's see if Jason Moloney's camp did a good choice on "avoiding" Donaire Jr. and took Astrolabio instead.

Based from the current odds, Moloney is the early favorite of the bookies.
But yes, Moloney should not underestimate Astrolabio who is less known among the boxing community.
From his record, it seems that he has something to offer to the boxing fans.
Moloney may have chosen an easier fight but this one I believe is not so easier as Astrolabio is a Filipino boxer.
We know how they are being prepared for the fight and their motivation to win, it's all for the family.

Even Jason Moloney himself knew that and that is why he didn't pushed through for the vacant WBC belt because he will be facing the Filipino Flash in that path, instead, he picked the vacant WBO where he will face Vincent Astrolabio, a not so known boxer compared to Nonito Donaire but not good to underestimate as his recent records can vouch him that Vincent is not an easy opponent to fight with.

Vincent's lost was early in his career, so we can say that maybe he was still too green that time or doesn't have the benefits of having a good trainer in his side. But once he matured, his career really took off and his last 3 wins is very impressive indeed, that's why now he has that opportunity to level up and become a champion in the bantamweight. And as what others mentioned, do not underestimate Filipinos as they might look weak or something, but they can deceived their opponents.

On the other hand, although Moloney has face tough opponents, he always feel short. Meaning he could not be in the caliber of elite fighters in bantamweight, more of a gate keeper boxer.

I pick Astrolabio in this fight.

Although Moloney only lost against two top boxers in his weight e.g. Inoue and Emmanuel Rodríguez, but his winnings are mostly against weak boxers. Nawaphon Kaikanha who previously beaten by Moloney is one of the example, he have 58 fights but most of them are unknown boxers.

On other hand, Astrolabio lost 3 times in 2017-2018, but it's already 5 years ago and I think those lost are the factors how Astrolabio can reach at this point. He ever beat Guillermo Rigondeaux who's one of a good boxer, Astrolabio win via unanimous decision while Casimero only win via split decision.

Part of it might also be that uncle Bob is afraid that his ward will fall to the old Nonito Donaire as the latter still got the killer instinct and there kid has no chance of winning against Donaire hehe.


The last two fight of Astrolabio were impressive for me, got a knockout win against a tough Potapov and a unanimous win against Rigo which for me if you beat this guy, you must be good. Though in terms of talent/skill, Vincent is a little lower to that of Moloney but with that Filipino heart and against the odds, i have high hope that this would be another upset in the making.

I'm waiting for how much we will win if we bet for Astrolabio via KO/TKO, that would be juicy i think.

I think it's more of Top Rank doesn't want to work with Nonito or his handlers that time Probellum because Arum believed that their backer is a Mafia. Nonito has moved as well, Richard Schaefer bolted out of Probellum already.

And with that Moloney chooses to go on the other direction, but still have the chance to fight for the belt. However, he might still choose the wrong path as he will be facing another Filipino, maybe not as big as Nonito Donaire's name, but equally impressive fighter and rising in the ranks as well in Vincent Astrolabio. So he shouldn't feel the any advantage here, on the other hand, this could be as tough as facing Nonito because Vincent has power. So clearly, I will have Vincent here by ML since he is a slight underdog in this fight. He just need to really focus and train 100% and let's see if we will have another Filipino champion, following Tapales big win just 4 lbs higher division.

Moloney is advantageous in this fight;record and KO percentage. But Astrolabio would be more eager I guess for being in lower ranking also this fight could open a bigger spotlight for his career. Vincent is from the same country I was born with but Jason has the edge in this fight if we would base on their previous fights. What's nore likely to happen is a victory by means of KO simply because of their fighting styles. Both has power in their punches which could knock each other cold if it would be precised. However, I'd probably not bet on this one simply because odds of winning bet is close with the other outcome which I think is risky. I'd rather enjoy this fight as a fan to enjoy how this match up would end.

I will be rooting for the underdog here and this will be a good opportunity for Vincent Astrolabio to become a champion at 118. It might be a tough close fight but I believe he can do it because talking about chances, he got literally got a decent chance on upsetting the favorite because Jason Moloney doesn't really have anything special within him.

And it's quite funny for me because out of all boxers that are inside the WBO's top 10 at 118, he picked Astrolabio who is ranked #2 and is a fellow countryman of Nonito Donaire. I'm sensing that Moloney might've another reason why he chose Astrolabio, but anyway, as I said, Astrolabio got a decent chance in cracking Moloney..

Because of Inoue's moving up and conquering territories, a lot of boxers are vying for the 118lbs title and this is the weight category where Filipinos excel, I have seen Astrolabio's latest fight and it was impressive, and I believe he is ready to take this fight and based on both boxers performance, Astolabio's chances is better, if Vincent prepare hard for this fight, we'll have two Filipino Champion this year and it's a big rebound from a dismal performance of the Filipino boxers last year.

I have to check both fighters' recent fights to see how they fitted and it seems Asrolabio has a better chance to winning the fight this is going to be a slugfest because that's both fighter's style of fighting, we all know style makes a fight and both fighters love to engage Vincent has a better chin and knock out power, this is a good year for the Filipino boxers as they have a chance to have another champion in Astrolabio, and this is because Inoue is moving up.
 

Might be better to give a Filipino again a good chance against Moloney. We all know that Tapales recently upset Akhmadaliev, so I wouldn't be surprised if a fellow Filipino will pull another big win here.

Jason Moloney is good no doubt, but he shouldn't underestimate Astrolabio here. Sure Vincent might not have a good resume, but he has the heart and the power as his last two fights were in a knockout win. And I agree that Moloney chin is not that good, and for sure, he will be tested by Astrolabio and see if he will hold or will be broken into pieces.

I have Astrolabio in this fight, among the new crop of Filipino fighters Vincent is a cut above the rest he can take a punch has a good defense, and is a power puncher, he is one exciting boxer to watch maybe a tame Pitbull he is not afraid to get hit to get a hit of his own. Jason is a good technical fighter but in his fight against Inoue, Inoue just eats his punch he has no respect for Moloney's power, if Astrolabio can take his punches he is in big trouble.
Moloney's chin is a big suspect here, this is going to be an exciting fight because both fighters are not afraid to engage.

Based on the article Astrolabio opted to fight Moloney instead of Rodriguez because Rodriguez is a tough fighter to deal with than Moloney, his team has a good decision to fight Moloney but they still have to train Astrolabio hard, even if they think their chances are good.
 

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Date: May 13, 2023
Venue: TBA

I think this title fight deserves a dedicated thread for us to discuss the boxers involved.

With the series of upsets by a non so popular Filipino boxers, i think this one we should not miss. Vincent Astrolabio will go against Moloney for the vacant WBO bantamweight title, the latter chooses this path as he thinks that this is an easier path to a title rather than facing Nonito Donaire for that WBC version.

But we know how risky it is if you are facing a Filipino pug, especially on this stage because we all know that Filipino boxers will bring their all just to win this fight.

Current odds: Moloney 1.72   Astrolabio 2.00


Bookies though that this is almost an even fight with the odds they are releasing.

What do you think of this fight guys?

https://www.boxingscene.com/jason-moloney-vincent-astrolabio-wbo-title-fight-13-co-feature-alimkhanuly-butler--173289