I have Oscar just winning slightly on my scorecard, but his performance is bad, in my opinion. It's too bad that Robson was very close to become a world champion, but he let his feet of the pedal, that's why Oscar was able to recover and come back and win the fight. What I don't like though is one judge scoring it for Valdez 117-111.
I'm locking the thread now, let's continue our discussion on the potential fighter that Oscar might face next, [Boxing] Jamel Herring vs Shakur Stevenson.
Topic: [Boxing]: Oscar Valdez vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 10th (Read 481 times)
It was really a close fight, I have Robson winning the first five rounds. But Valdez sensing defeat rallied in the last seven to win by a unanimous decision.
Not sure though, he start sluggish and very slow in the early rounds, perhaps it was because of the news about him being positive of a ban substance? I'm not impressed by his performance, but a win is a win. It is far from his performance against Miguel Berchelt.
I also have him winning if you are a challenger you should be the one going and start engaging you must take the belt from the champion by being aggressive, but Conceicao does not have this, he is very careful and wants to protect his early leads, there's controversy in the fight but definitely agree on the decision, Conceicao should be the more aggressive fighter here, he should show superiority on the fight being a challenger.Not sure though, he start sluggish and very slow in the early rounds, perhaps it was because of the news about him being positive of a ban substance? I'm not impressed by his performance, but a win is a win. It is far from his performance against Miguel Berchelt.
A win is a win, but winning like a champion is what matters most I think. And yes, the challenger should be the one showing more aggression than the title holder in my opinion. Still, Oscar Valdez has won, but I feel like the match could have been better for Oscar. Not being more aggressive maybe has cost Robson the title here. If he was more aggressive from the start, maybe Valdez would have got passive and maybe Robson could have had the upper hand. But whatever, congrats to Oscar for winning.
then the momentum changed and robson becomes the defensive one in which different in the beginning .
robson did not give away the second half its just that valdez comes wild and stronger in the middle of the game.
I saw the fight and I agree that Valdez deserves the win, judges favor fighters who dominate in the second half of the fight and Valdez do just that, Conceicao lacks the aggressiveness to show that he deserves the win Valdez is the aggressive fighter even if he is wild in punches he connects some of it and Conceicao lacks the spirit to clash.
Robson started out strong but he gave away the entire second half of the fight. When Valdez started to pressure him he just ran away or held but forgot about throwing punches. He used his height and reach very well early on but his strategy fell apart when he started getting hit. Valdez just edged out a win and after this performance and his positive test there is going to be a lot of doubts about him.
i watched the fight just now and it seems that Robson did his best specially in first half , he dominate the whole ring but when valdez comes back to his feet in second half?then the momentum changed and robson becomes the defensive one in which different in the beginning .
robson did not give away the second half its just that valdez comes wild and stronger in the middle of the game.
Robson started out strong but he gave away the entire second half of the fight. When Valdez started to pressure him he just ran away or held but forgot about throwing punches. He used his height and reach very well early on but his strategy fell apart when he started getting hit. Valdez just edged out a win and after this performance and his positive test there is going to be a lot of doubts about him.
Honestly, the fight was close but as champion, he expectedly won the fight with that kind of movement from the challenger. Like the boxing speculators on youtube said, he should be more cautious and increase his punches until the end of the round but what can you expect when the champion has better experience and knows how to totally dominate him in the late rounds.
Valdez does increased his punch output from round 6 onwards, and this sway the judges in his favour. While Robson numbers went down, get deducted a point and then seems to be running out of gas in the championship rounds. If Robson would just stay active, he could have won some rounds that might put this fight in his favour or even a draw. But Valdez as you have said is the champion and his corner provided him with good advise as well. And as for the ban substance, it seems the Valdez is weight drain at 130 lbs, but if he moves to 135 lbs, there's a lot of sharks there. Teofimo Lopez, Ryan Garcia, Tank Davis, he wouldn't last with this bad mofo.
Robson started out strong but he gave away the entire second half of the fight. When Valdez started to pressure him he just ran away or held but forgot about throwing punches. He used his height and reach very well early on but his strategy fell apart when he started getting hit. Valdez just edged out a win and after this performance and his positive test there is going to be a lot of doubts about him.
True, he become so complacent in the middle rounds which is wrong for a challenger. He thought that he can score points by playing defense, and it's good that the judge get it correct this time. Otherwise, it will be another controversial decision. The aggressor always wins against a defensive fighter or at least not throwing punches. Maybe Shakur will be the next big fight in this division.
Robson started out strong but he gave away the entire second half of the fight. When Valdez started to pressure him he just ran away or held but forgot about throwing punches. He used his height and reach very well early on but his strategy fell apart when he started getting hit. Valdez just edged out a win and after this performance and his positive test there is going to be a lot of doubts about him.
Honestly, the fight was close but as champion, he expectedly won the fight with that kind of movement from the challenger. Like the boxing speculators on youtube said, he should be more cautious and increase his punches until the end of the round but what can you expect when the champion has better experience and knows how to totally dominate him in the late rounds.
Robson started out strong but he gave away the entire second half of the fight. When Valdez started to pressure him he just ran away or held but forgot about throwing punches. He used his height and reach very well early on but his strategy fell apart when he started getting hit.
That's a wrong way to fight a championship he had one point deducted already but he is very complacent on the second half, he is a challenger here he should fight aggressively it looks like he treated this as a regular fight and not a championship fight, Valdez deserves the win he is always going after Robson Conceicao, I always side to aggressive fighter especially a challenger, judges always favor a champion and it's for the challenger to prove that he deserves the win.
Too bad for Conceicao he scared of Valdez after Valdez's counter punch hit him on Round 6, Conceicao only dominating the first 5 Round and rest 7 Round he more slowly and running away until each Rounds over. Seems the big shots from Valdez really hard and powerful.
Valdez really show how he really deserved to retain the WBC super featherweight title, his face a lot of scar but his stamina and accuration didn't fell.
Valdez really show how he really deserved to retain the WBC super featherweight title, his face a lot of scar but his stamina and accuration didn't fell.
Valdez just edged out a win and after this performance and his positive test there is going to be a lot of doubts about him.
Of course many people will doubt it since Valdez performance is quite odd from the first 5 Round and next 7 Round. 
It was really a close fight, I have Robson winning the first five rounds. But Valdez sensing defeat rallied in the last seven to win by a unanimous decision.
Not sure though, he start sluggish and very slow in the early rounds, perhaps it was because of the news about him being positive of a ban substance? I'm not impressed by his performance, but a win is a win. It is far from his performance against Miguel Berchelt.
Not sure though, he start sluggish and very slow in the early rounds, perhaps it was because of the news about him being positive of a ban substance? I'm not impressed by his performance, but a win is a win. It is far from his performance against Miguel Berchelt.
I also have him winning if you are a challenger you should be the one going and start engaging you must take the belt from the champion by being aggressive, but Conceicao does not have this, he is very careful and wants to protect his early leads, there's controversy in the fight but definitely agree on the decision, Conceicao should be the more aggressive fighter here, he should show superiority on the fight being a challenger.
Robson started out strong but he gave away the entire second half of the fight. When Valdez started to pressure him he just ran away or held but forgot about throwing punches. He used his height and reach very well early on but his strategy fell apart when he started getting hit. Valdez just edged out a win and after this performance and his positive test there is going to be a lot of doubts about him.
It was really a close fight, I have Robson winning the first five rounds. But Valdez sensing defeat rallied in the last seven to win by a unanimous decision.
Not sure though, he start sluggish and very slow in the early rounds, perhaps it was because of the news about him being positive of a ban substance? I'm not impressed by his performance, but a win is a win. It is far from his performance against Miguel Berchelt.
Not sure though, he start sluggish and very slow in the early rounds, perhaps it was because of the news about him being positive of a ban substance? I'm not impressed by his performance, but a win is a win. It is far from his performance against Miguel Berchelt.
The fight end up favoring valdez still , he had depended His title against Caceicao
so any bets mate on this Odds? coz i missed my chance lol .
I have lost all my funds after pacquiao Loss in His recent fight so now i am starting to gain funds again for the next boxing fight I'm gonna bet lol.
so any bets mate on this Odds? coz i missed my chance lol .
I have lost all my funds after pacquiao Loss in His recent fight so now i am starting to gain funds again for the next boxing fight I'm gonna bet lol.
^^ Most likely yes, this could end up in a draw but it's hard to predict who are going to win.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
For sure this allegations are serious, I mean his sample turns out to be a positive, but he denied it in the media. But it still hinges in our mind if he is really clean or not. And as much as we wanted not to be distracted by this news, it will eventually.
So again, another good fight to watch this weekend depending on your timezone. We love to see another underdog pull an upset here.
Why not? Pacquiao lost to Ugas, so it's possible that maybe Oscar Valdez is not 100% mentally in this fight.
Anyone here was able to put a bet? I check Stake and Sportsbet right now and it seems they removed it?
In any case, I wanted to bet on Robson Conceicao, he is the underdog and I think he will have to jab his way to win against Oscar Valdez, he has a decent chin as well, that might hold against Valdez left hook. And then he can throw his body shots, this is going to be a good fight for sure.
In any case, I wanted to bet on Robson Conceicao, he is the underdog and I think he will have to jab his way to win against Oscar Valdez, he has a decent chin as well, that might hold against Valdez left hook. And then he can throw his body shots, this is going to be a good fight for sure.
^^ Most likely yes, this could end up in a draw but it's hard to predict who are going to win.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
So again, another good fight to watch this weekend depending on your timezone. We love to see another underdog pull an upset here.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
So again, another good fight to watch this weekend depending on your timezone. We love to see another underdog pull an upset here.
I think Oscar Valdez is affected psychologically by this substance issue, he may not show it but definitely, it has an effect.
What a lame alibi below, how come he does not know anything that goes to his body, or maybe his nutritionist hides something that de doesn't know.
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Valdez: I'm A Hundred-Percent Clean Fighter; Don't Know How Phentermine Got Into My Body
A knockout win for Oscar is not attractive betting wise so i did go for Oscar Valdez via Decision @3.35, substance out of the body so not so much power to KO Rob Conceicao, just kidding lol.
Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.
I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?
No need to bother them, it seems that they are reading this thread:
Although it is not yet open, at least they have opted to include this already, so that's a good news for us boxer bettors.
The only thing to do is just wait, the fight is in 48 hours, so maybe tomorrow they will open the betting already so that's 24 hours for us to pull the trigger on this one.
The complete list of betting odds are now available, you can check the updated market again.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/valdez-oscar-vs-conceicao-robson-6139c3707c3dc7742835a5e3
Any chance this fight will end up in a draw? the odds is currently @26, that's hard to resist, I think.
That's possible but unlikely because Valdez is the heavy favorite to win this fight @1.39. The odds are pretty much similar to Pacquiao vs Ugas, maybe we will see a big upset here after Valdez had some controversy answering the substance found in the test.
So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
That's why we should put our bet now so we will be able to enjoy it more when we are watching live.
^^ Most likely yes, this could end up in a draw but it's hard to predict who are going to win.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
So again, another good fight to watch this weekend depending on your timezone. We love to see another underdog pull an upset here.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
So again, another good fight to watch this weekend depending on your timezone. We love to see another underdog pull an upset here.
He sure is okay, I hope he will not be affected as all I want to see is him fighting but the result is a draw, lol.
Valdez and Conceicao both have an undefeated record, so this should be a fight between the best.
^^ Most likely yes, this could end up in a draw but it's hard to predict who are going to win.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
So again, another good fight to watch this weekend depending on your timezone. We love to see another underdog pull an upset here.
Just begs me the question, how is Valdez mind in this fight, he has been accused of using a ban substance and it might affect him psychologically in this fight.
So again, another good fight to watch this weekend depending on your timezone. We love to see another underdog pull an upset here.
That's possible but unlikely because Valdez is the heavy favorite to win this fight @1.39. The odds are pretty much similar to Pacquiao vs Ugas, maybe we will see a big upset here after Valdez had some controversy answering the substance found in the test.
So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
But both Valdez and Conceicao still in prime condition/young also both of them still undefeated, so the chance more possible ended as draw. I'm a fan of Valdez he's a Mexican boxer as we know many boxer from Mexico are strong. So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
But Conceicao is taller than Valdez it's an advantages for him, reminds me of Pacquiao vs Ugas before. I think I'll pick Conceicao for this fight with small bet.
I think Conceicao is a live underdog here, don't sleep on him, the two have history when they were in the amateurs, Conceicao beat Valdez. Of course, this is pro rank now and they have improved a lot since then. Conceicao went on to win golds in the Olympics and then Valdez become a world champion now. But this is going to be close, so it could end up in a draw or by decision.
That's possible but unlikely because Valdez is the heavy favorite to win this fight @1.39. The odds are pretty much similar to Pacquiao vs Ugas, maybe we will see a big upset here after Valdez had some controversy answering the substance found in the test.
So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
But both Valdez and Conceicao still in prime condition/young also both of them still undefeated, so the chance more possible ended as draw. I'm a fan of Valdez he's a Mexican boxer as we know many boxer from Mexico are strong. So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
But Conceicao is taller than Valdez it's an advantages for him, reminds me of Pacquiao vs Ugas before. I think I'll pick Conceicao for this fight with small bet.
That's a good pick, always go with the underdog as they might upset and you'll win more than 100% of your money with the current odds. Personally, I did not see any of their fights before but I like to take chances that Oscar Valdez 0 will become 1.
That's possible but unlikely because Valdez is the heavy favorite to win this fight @1.39. The odds are pretty much similar to Pacquiao vs Ugas, maybe we will see a big upset here after Valdez had some controversy answering the substance found in the test.
So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
But both Valdez and Conceicao still in prime condition/young also both of them still undefeated, so the chance more possible ended as draw. I'm a fan of Valdez he's a Mexican boxer as we know many boxer from Mexico are strong. So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
But Conceicao is taller than Valdez it's an advantages for him, reminds me of Pacquiao vs Ugas before. I think I'll pick Conceicao for this fight with small bet.
Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.
I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?
No need to bother them, it seems that they are reading this thread:
Although it is not yet open, at least they have opted to include this already, so that's a good news for us boxer bettors.
The only thing to do is just wait, the fight is in 48 hours, so maybe tomorrow they will open the betting already so that's 24 hours for us to pull the trigger on this one.
The complete list of betting odds are now available, you can check the updated market again.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/valdez-oscar-vs-conceicao-robson-6139c3707c3dc7742835a5e3
Any chance this fight will end up in a draw? the odds is currently @26, that's hard to resist, I think.
That's possible but unlikely because Valdez is the heavy favorite to win this fight @1.39. The odds are pretty much similar to Pacquiao vs Ugas, maybe we will see a big upset here after Valdez had some controversy answering the substance found in the test.
So what's your pick guys?
I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?
Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.
I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?
No need to bother them, it seems that they are reading this thread:
Although it is not yet open, at least they have opted to include this already, so that's a good news for us boxer bettors.
The only thing to do is just wait, the fight is in 48 hours, so maybe tomorrow they will open the betting already so that's 24 hours for us to pull the trigger on this one.
The complete list of betting odds are now available, you can check the updated market again.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/valdez-oscar-vs-conceicao-robson-6139c3707c3dc7742835a5e3
Any chance this fight will end up in a draw? the odds is currently @26, that's hard to resist, I think.
Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.
I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?
No need to bother them, it seems that they are reading this thread:
Although it is not yet open, at least they have opted to include this already, so that's a good news for us boxer bettors.
The only thing to do is just wait, the fight is in 48 hours, so maybe tomorrow they will open the betting already so that's 24 hours for us to pull the trigger on this one.
Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.
I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?
Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.
In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.
Unfortunately, two crypto bookies hasn't open it yet, stake and sportsbet, but there are instances that 1 days before the fight, they will suddenly offer this for bettors.
As for the issues, we have our own opinion here, what's important is that they allowed the fight, although it's questionable but then again, its all business and for sure we all know and they know that this fight could make them big money. So everyone will be happy in the end.
Thank you for the information. I was about to look at sportsbet but since you already said it's not available then I think I will just wait for it to open. As for the issues, we have our own opinion here, what's important is that they allowed the fight, although it's questionable but then again, its all business and for sure we all know and they know that this fight could make them big money. So everyone will be happy in the end.
I was just confused because the boxing bout on September 12 is ready for betting while the earlier one is nowhere to be seen.
just like the old unpopular fights.
Yeah, that might be the reason behind it. I'll just need to be patient for now but I am hoping I won't be late since I don't really check bookies daily unless there is NBA going on. Thanks. So is there an unfair judgment here?
About the drug issue, he was tested twice and the first was positive then negative on August 30. But social media analysts and boxing community are trying to pin them down with the basic logic of he is positive, so he should be disqualified. "He cheated, don't give him a chance", something like that.
One thing is for sure, he is tested negative already so that's it. As long as he fights fair and square then the game is on. There is also a part that the boxing business is trying to get back what they loss from the pandemic and they will do everything to prevent postponing the fight.
It's not available also on the betting sites I'm using, if it's not in stake.com, then probably it's not also available yet in other crypto sites. I see the odds in https://www.betfair.com/sport/boxing/boxing-matches/oscar-valdez-v-robson-conceicao/30878073.. maybe anyone here is using it can put their bet now. For crypto betting sites, maybe they'll make the odds available 24 hours before the fight, just like the old unpopular fights.
Unfortunately, two crypto bookies hasn't open it yet, stake and sportsbet, but there are instances that 1 days before the fight, they will suddenly offer this for bettors.
As for the issues, we have our own opinion here, what's important is that they allowed the fight, although it's questionable but then again, its all business and for sure we all know and they know that this fight could make them big money. So everyone will be happy in the end.
So is there an unfair judgment here?
About the drug issue, he was tested twice and the first was positive then negative on August 30. But social media analysts and boxing community are trying to pin them down with the basic logic of he is positive, so he should be disqualified. "He cheated, don't give him a chance", something like that.
One thing is for sure, he is tested negative already so that's it. As long as he fights fair and square then the game is on. There is also a part that the boxing business is trying to get back what they loss from the pandemic and they will do everything to prevent postponing the fight.
It's not available also on the betting sites I'm using, if it's not in stake.com, then probably it's not also available yet in other crypto sites. I see the odds in https://www.betfair.com/sport/boxing/boxing-matches/oscar-valdez-v-robson-conceicao/30878073.. maybe anyone here is using it can put their bet now. For crypto betting sites, maybe they'll make the odds available 24 hours before the fight, just like the old unpopular fights.
So is there an unfair judgment here?
About the drug issue, he was tested twice and the first was positive then negative on August 30. But social media analysts and boxing community are trying to pin them down with the basic logic of he is positive, so he should be disqualified. "He cheated, don't give him a chance", something like that.
One thing is for sure, he is tested negative already so that's it. As long as he fights fair and square then the game is on. There is also a part that the boxing business is trying to get back what they loss from the pandemic and they will do everything to prevent postponing the fight.
So is there an unfair judgment here?
This is what Oscar Valdez says:
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.
What do you mean by 'experts" though? Urine and blood samples don't lie, he was tested twice and come up to be positive.
I'm not an expert in this area, but Valdez is not denying the fact that he has failed the drug test. But his defense is that he didn't used any drugs. So we will just have to used our common sense here as who is telling the truth or not. Science or Valdez himself, make your choice.
Anyhow, as @bisdak40 said, just a couple more days and we will see this fight. Still a must watch fight.
So is there an unfair judgment here?
He was tested positive for ban substances and does the fight still continues?
What does it implicate to the boxing organization? Are they now more on the money than the reputation of the sport?
Lots of questions in our mind now but it will never change the decision since the fight still continues, and probably they know how it would impact so it's not a big deal I guess.
Yeah, but this is not the first time that we have seen someone tested positive for a supposedly ban substance and then they allow the fight to continue. Canelo's case is one.
Lots of questions, but if you look closely, yes, it's all about money now, as boxing is a billion dollar business, promoters will get their cut on the fighters, the network and casino's around invested a lot of money so they will have to get it back and make profits, and then fighters being paid for their services.
So is there an unfair judgment here?
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He was tested positive for ban substances and does the fight still continues?
Everything is set to go just a few more days and we will see them inside the ring.
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What does it implicate to the boxing organization? Are they now more on the money than the reputation of the sport?
For most fans after what happened, that's implies to the organization, they are more in the money side as they allow this to happen.Quote
Lots of questions in our mind now but it will never change the decision since the fight still continues, and probably they know how it would impact so it's not a big deal I guess.
They now and it seems that they don't care that much anymore. They are taking things out and make the fight happen. This is what Oscar Valdez says:
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.
What do you mean by 'experts" though? Urine and blood samples don't lie, he was tested twice and come up to be positive.
I'm not an expert in this area, but Valdez is not denying the fact that he has failed the drug test. But his defense is that he didn't used any drugs. So we will just have to used our common sense here as who is telling the truth or not. Science or Valdez himself, make your choice.
Anyhow, as @bisdak40 said, just a couple more days and we will see this fight. Still a must watch fight.
So is there an unfair judgment here?
He was tested positive for ban substances and does the fight still continues?
What does it implicate to the boxing organization? Are they now more on the money than the reputation of the sport?
Lots of questions in our mind now but it will never change the decision since the fight still continues, and probably they know how it would impact so it's not a big deal I guess.
This is what Oscar Valdez says:
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.
What do you mean by 'experts" though? Urine and blood samples don't lie, he was tested twice and come up to be positive.
I'm not an expert in this area, but Valdez is not denying the fact that he has failed the drug test. But his defense is that he didn't used any drugs. So we will just have to used our common sense here as who is telling the truth or not. Science or Valdez himself, make your choice.
Anyhow, as @bisdak40 said, just a couple more days and we will see this fight. Still a must watch fight.
We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.
You have a point mate but the question still lingers in my mind on what's the purpose of the test they conducted if they still allow the fight to happen despite all of the findings. Yeah, we are not experts on that ban substance issue but they should have kept the result of the test private as to not create chaos in the boxing community.
Anyways, few days before the fight but I have not seen my favorite bookies covering this one. They should not miss this championship fight of future big names like Valdez I guess.
Let's wait for sport bookies to open the betting line. There was no hype on this fight. But typically, just days before the actual fight date, they might open it up. So we need to check from time to time. We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.
You have a point mate but the question still lingers in my mind on what's the purpose of the test they conducted if they still allow the fight to happen despite all of the findings. Yeah, we are not experts on that ban substance issue but they should have kept the result of the test private as to not create chaos in the boxing community.
Anyways, few days before the fight but I have not seen my favorite bookies covering this one. They should not miss this championship fight of future big names like Valdez I guess.
This is what Oscar Valdez says:
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.
Yes, no offense to the Indian tribe, but I will assume that they have casino's around as well. So it's a big money business going around that area.
sure that this fight will let fans and gamblers to bet on their fighters. Big money is at stake, so why bother
to stop the fight?
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There are sanctioning bodies, it was the WBC, but if knowing the people behind that organization (the Sulaiman) they have been accused of corruption. And that body has a lot of champions as well.
If money talks loudly, what else this body can do? It's more on let it happened for the sake of entertainment but behind that are the millions of dollars that will be generated after the fight takes place.
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So yeah, it's good that the fight will proceed and us fight fans will have a chance to bet and win some.
That's the consolation, and what most of the gamblers are waiting, they are not caring about the rules, but the chance that they can place their bets, a chance to win decently 
This is what Oscar Valdez says:
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320
Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.
So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.
I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.
What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.
Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.
And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.
His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.
Correction i got it wrong and mis-understood that positive test is not related to covid.
So they are referring the drug test ?
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The Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight will move forward as planned despite Valdez’s recent positive test for the stimulant Phentermine in a random test conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association on Aug. 13, with the positive test result being returned on Monday, multiple sources told The Ring on Thursday.
Yeah, I was also reading the article and I search for the covid-19 but can't find it, instead it's the drug test that Valdez was tested positive. However, what they found is not enough to stop the right, hence the fight will continue despite that.
This is the reason why the fight would still proceed as scheduled.
for the source you shared:
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Valdez’s most recent drug test, which was conducted on Monday, was negative for all banned substances, according to a letter from VADA chief Dr. Margaret Goodman sent to those involved and obtained by The Ring. However, it only takes about 48 hours for Phentermine to clear the system, according to experts.
I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.
What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.
Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.
And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.
His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.
Correction i got it wrong and mis-understood that positive test is not related to covid.
So they are referring the drug test ?
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The Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight will move forward as planned despite Valdez’s recent positive test for the stimulant Phentermine in a random test conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association on Aug. 13, with the positive test result being returned on Monday, multiple sources told The Ring on Thursday.
So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.
That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.
I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.
It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.
Good assessment! more on money matters, fans are already expecting the fight and if the promoters see that flowing money will be at their side, then why not to proceed and forget about this issue.
Not sure why there are no sanctions but if both organizations see no issue and that said drug won't affect anything, there's no reason not to proceed.
Let's enjoy the fight and see who's going to win between these two fighters. Fans will love to see toe to toe actions.
Yes, no offense to the Indian tribe, but I will assume that they have casino's around as well. So it's a big money business going around that area.
There are sanctioning bodies, it was the WBC, but if knowing the people behind that organization (the Sulaiman) they have been accused of corruption. And that body has a lot of champions as well.
So yeah, it's good that the fight will proceed and us fight fans will have a chance to bet and win some.
I think the fight will proceed because it is close and the fans wanted it to happen anyway. It's been a while since I saw Oscar Valdez step into the ring after he knocks out Miguel Berchelt to win WBC junior lightweight title. now it's time for him to show the world his great boxing skills again. of course, Robson Conceicao is not an easy target cause he has some good skills to counter Valdez. This upcoming fight needed a decisive strategy for both fighters to beat their opponent and I expected this won't last up to the 12 round.
I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.
What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.
Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.
And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.
His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.
I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test
So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.
That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.
I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.
It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.
Good assessment! more on money matters, fans are already expecting the fight and if the promoters see that flowing money will be at their side, then why not to proceed and forget about this issue.
Not sure why there are no sanctions but if both organizations see no issue and that said drug won't affect anything, there's no reason not to proceed.
Let's enjoy the fight and see who's going to win between these two fighters. Fans will love to see toe to toe actions.
So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.
That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.
I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.
It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.
Valdez will be on probation with the WBC but it still leaves a bad taste knowing there wasn't a stricter punishment. Now we are in a situation where they have to be consistent and some level of PED use will be tolerated if you can find a loophole in WADA's rules and cycle off before you are considered "in competition".
So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.
That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.
I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.
Maybe, Bob Arum use his influence so that issue doesn't hamper the schedule.
Hope there will be no more issues like this in this upcoming fight.
For sure, the other camp knows about the situation but agreed to push thru their match.
Odds are not yet out, but high likely that they will favor Valdez here.
So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.
That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.
I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.
^^ I'm just confused though, I thought that it will be an automatic postponement once you are caught with a ban substance. Maybe it depends on the severity, on what drugs are found in your system. And probably because of the money involved to set up this fight, the fight is very near, we know that boxing is business so the money involved must have been taken into consideration.
Re-opening the thread as Oscar Valdez was cleared.
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-cleared-by-presiding-commission-move-forward-with-conceicao--160295
So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.
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BoxingScene.com has learned that Mexico’s Valdez was approved to move forward with his scheduled September 10 clash with Brazil’s Robson Conceicao (16-0, 8KOs), which will air live on ESPN+ from AVA Amphitheater at Casino del Sol in Tucson, Arizona. The bout was previously in jeopardy due to Valdez having tested positive for Phentermine, as discovered through drug testing as contracted through Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA).
However, a ruling handed down by the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission permitted Valdez to proceed with the fight. The argument presented by Valdez’s team—including the claim that the substance in question was discovered during what is deemed as out-of-competition by World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code—along with other undisclosed factors was enough for the unbeaten boxer to receive clearance to fight next week.
However, a ruling handed down by the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission permitted Valdez to proceed with the fight. The argument presented by Valdez’s team—including the claim that the substance in question was discovered during what is deemed as out-of-competition by World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code—along with other undisclosed factors was enough for the unbeaten boxer to receive clearance to fight next week.
https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-cleared-by-presiding-commission-move-forward-with-conceicao--160295
So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Thanks for the update so I'm going to lock this thread for good as obviously, this fight will not happen.
For those who ware asking why it is considered a ban substance, maybe this explanation from Victor Conte (who himself was a drug peddler), can help:
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ESPN quotes Victor Conte, who once did time for planning to distribute PEDs before becoming a clean sport activist. “You know why it’s a performance-enhancing drug?” He asked rhetorically of phentermine. “Because it’s a central-nervous stimulant…it accelerates your heart rate. It gives you energy. It gives you endurance. It gives you stamina. It makes it easier to breathe. Your training time to exhaustion would be much longer.” Clearly, such things as stamina and endurance can help a fighter in the ring. In short, Valdez may have ingested a substance which might give him an advantage when facing Conceicao.
https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/oscar-valdez-reportedly-tests-positive-for-banned-substance-phentermine/
I'm so disappointed with Valdez, so there's no one to blame here but himself.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away.Diuretics are considered ban substance because it is a stimulant - so to improved his performance. Because this kind of drugs will speed up your metabolism and increase your aggressiveness and you will not tire out easily.
It's really too bad to hear that his upset win against Berchelt and beat the champion in his own game, volume punching and KO him with a huge left hook, now that win could go to record as NC (no contest) because of the failed drug testing.
Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away.
Well even it's not a performance drug, why he need to use it? It's a big question for sure. I think what you refer was the boxer already informed to VADA why he use a drug especially he under medication, so it's allowed. Possibility he's overweight now and really want to fight with Robson Conceicao, so he doesn't have any choice except phentermine. Because they need to met up on official weight in before the fight, if his weight more than 10 pounds the fight will postponed.VADA rules regarding doping : http://wbcboxing.com/WBCVADA/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/WBC-Protocol-FINAL.pdf
Yeah, but it could be used as a masking agent, to hide other peds in your system.
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Oscar Valdez has failed a VADA test ahead of his planned Sept. 10 fight against Robson Conceicao, with Mike Coppinger reporting that the WBC junior lightweight titlist tested positive for a diuretic.
While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.
While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/8/31/22651015/oscar-valdez-tests-positive-banned-diuretic-next-fight-conceicao-boxing-news-2021
I also can't believed that Valdez and or his team did take the risk of taking this banned substance because they will be caught specially the stringent drug testing is being implement not just in boxing but across other sports.
The initial report of it being a diuretic is incorrect. Phentermine is not a diuretic but it is similar because it helps with losing weight rapidly. The difference is that one kind or drug suppresses your appetite and gives you more energy by stimulating the nervous system and the other kind causes you to produce more urine. Phentermine is only used for medical purposes to treat obesity so it is not something that should not be abused by athletes.
In any case this drug is very dangerous, specially for high level athletes as it stimulate the nervous system even more so it can cause heart problems in the end.
@Kittygalore - not sure if this is treated as peds, but it could adversely affect any boxers so I hinted that's why is it considered ban as it is dangerous.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away. Yeah, but it could be used as a masking agent, to hide other peds in your system.
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Oscar Valdez has failed a VADA test ahead of his planned Sept. 10 fight against Robson Conceicao, with Mike Coppinger reporting that the WBC junior lightweight titlist tested positive for a diuretic.
While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.
While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/8/31/22651015/oscar-valdez-tests-positive-banned-diuretic-next-fight-conceicao-boxing-news-2021
I also can't believed that Valdez and or his team did take the risk of taking this banned substance because they will be caught specially the stringent drug testing is being implement not just in boxing but across other sports.
The initial report of it being a diuretic is incorrect. Phentermine is not a diuretic but it is similar because it helps with losing weight rapidly. The difference is that one kind or drug suppresses your appetite and gives you more energy by stimulating the nervous system and the other kind causes you to produce more urine. Phentermine is only used for medical purposes to treat obesity so it is not something that should not be abused by athletes.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Not a strong excuse to prevent losing his title, rules are rules and once you've got caught, there's nothing you can do but to follow, as for sure there's other implemented rules regarding his case.
the suspension may follow his belt being removed from him, not sure, but in any sport, dietitian is important to know the substance of each intake that the player/fighter is using.
He's camp needs to be extra careful after this. There are lots of regrets by now but nothing that he can do.
He can blame anyone on is team for putting his on this kind of substance. Not sure how this will hold though, I still remember Canelo being caught prior to his first fight with GGG. But his excuse is that he consume a tainted beef and was given a free pass.
So right now, we are not sure if he is going to make an appeal regarding his case, but for now, he should consider his title stripe.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Not a strong excuse to prevent losing his title, rules are rules and once you've got caught, there's nothing you can do but to follow, as for sure there's other implemented rules regarding his case.
the suspension may follow his belt being removed from him, not sure, but in any sport, dietitian is important to know the substance of each intake that the player/fighter is using.
He's camp needs to be extra careful after this. There are lots of regrets by now but nothing that he can do.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
That's weird, I thought that this drug is being used to lose weight, but in his last fight against Miguel Berchelt, he is going up in weight.
Another thing is that how his team let him take this drugs when they know the consequences of it. And now that he is stripped of the world title, he is back to square one again and all of his previous fights will be tainted with allegations.
Yeah, but it could be used as a masking agent, to hide other peds in your system.
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Oscar Valdez has failed a VADA test ahead of his planned Sept. 10 fight against Robson Conceicao, with Mike Coppinger reporting that the WBC junior lightweight titlist tested positive for a diuretic.
While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.
While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/8/31/22651015/oscar-valdez-tests-positive-banned-diuretic-next-fight-conceicao-boxing-news-2021
I also can't believed that Valdez and or his team did take the risk of taking this banned substance because they will be caught specially the stringent drug testing is being implement not just in boxing but across other sports.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
That's weird, I thought that this drug is being used to lose weight, but in his last fight against Miguel Berchelt, he is going up in weight.
Another thing is that how his team let him take this drugs when they know the consequences of it. And now that he is stripped of the world title, he is back to square one again and all of his previous fights will be tainted with allegations.
It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.
Valdez already beat the best fighter in the division and will likely fight the winner of Herring vs.Stevenson in the near future. Sometimes it is ok for someone to have a showcase fight as long as they are still fighting the best. Canelo fought Yildirim and that was okay because he fought Billy Joe Saunders afterwards. The fight with Conceicao sold out very quickly so there is still demand to see this fight even though it is not the most well known opponent.
With his recent and awesome performance against Miguel Berchelt, people are wanting now to see more of Oscar Valdez that may be one of the many reasons why this fight with Conceicao sold out quickly. Top Rank is building up this guy so I expect a promotion that would make Oscar famous to the gambling capital of the US, Las Vegas. If he wins this another hurdle, I'm hoping that they will make the fight against Shakur Stevenson which for me would be the biggest fight of either's career.
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https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/7/20/22585577/oscar-valdez-vs-robson-conceicao-official-september-10-tucson-boxing-news-2021
After his huge win against Miguel Berchelt to snatch the WBC super featherweight belt, Oscar Valdez returns and defends his crown against Olympic gold medalist Robson Conceicao.
I know some of you might be disappointed on choosing a relatively unknown boxer in the division, but I think Valdez is taking it slowly as he just move up in this division and probably still feeling the weight category that's why he chooses Conceicao.
Odds are not yet out, but I reckon that Valdez will be the favourite here. Hopefully we will see another fight of the year performance from Oscar and keep this division alive.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/7/20/22585577/oscar-valdez-vs-robson-conceicao-official-september-10-tucson-boxing-news-2021
After his huge win against Miguel Berchelt to snatch the WBC super featherweight belt, Oscar Valdez returns and defends his crown against Olympic gold medalist Robson Conceicao.
I know some of you might be disappointed on choosing a relatively unknown boxer in the division, but I think Valdez is taking it slowly as he just move up in this division and probably still feeling the weight category that's why he chooses Conceicao.
Odds are not yet out, but I reckon that Valdez will be the favourite here. Hopefully we will see another fight of the year performance from Oscar and keep this division alive.
With that record I guess Oscar has the big potential of winning against his challenger and one thing that made him he become favorites of many people because he deserves all the hardwork. Though we don't see the odds yet, at least there's a amazing progress that we seen on him, and I believed he would able to defend his division as he win over all his fights.
Oscar Valdez has made a big progress, this is not his weight class, but he move up to challenge the champion and then won with an incredible knockout, so yes he deserves all the hard work becoming a champion and now defending it for the 1st time against Robson. But what's interesting is why he chooses this as his 1st fight after getting the belt. There was an argument that this is a cherry pick fight which I believed is true.
Valdez already beat the best fighter in the division and will likely fight the winner of Herring vs.Stevenson in the near future. Sometimes it is ok for someone to have a showcase fight as long as they are still fighting the best. Canelo fought Yildirim and that was okay because he fought Billy Joe Saunders afterwards. The fight with Conceicao sold out very quickly so there is still demand to see this fight even though it is not the most well known opponent.
I think it will be a very entertaining fight as both fighters have never been defeated. Of course Oscar Valdes has twice as much experience, but Robson Conceicao shows very decent results in his four years of fighting. I'll be rooting for Robson, although I think that bookmakers are going to have a preference for Oscar Valdes.
Precisely when the bookmaker chooses for the Oscars you know you have to go against and choose Robson, That will be great, sometimes what you decide becomes a new reference for how people will rethink. Maybe Robson has something special that he can show later in the game. All possibilities can happen.
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https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/7/20/22585577/oscar-valdez-vs-robson-conceicao-official-september-10-tucson-boxing-news-2021
After his huge win against Miguel Berchelt to snatch the WBC super featherweight belt, Oscar Valdez returns and defends his crown against Olympic gold medalist Robson Conceicao.
I know some of you might be disappointed on choosing a relatively unknown boxer in the division, but I think Valdez is taking it slowly as he just move up in this division and probably still feeling the weight category that's why he chooses Conceicao.
Odds are not yet out, but I reckon that Valdez will be the favourite here. Hopefully we will see another fight of the year performance from Oscar and keep this division alive.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/7/20/22585577/oscar-valdez-vs-robson-conceicao-official-september-10-tucson-boxing-news-2021
After his huge win against Miguel Berchelt to snatch the WBC super featherweight belt, Oscar Valdez returns and defends his crown against Olympic gold medalist Robson Conceicao.
I know some of you might be disappointed on choosing a relatively unknown boxer in the division, but I think Valdez is taking it slowly as he just move up in this division and probably still feeling the weight category that's why he chooses Conceicao.
Odds are not yet out, but I reckon that Valdez will be the favourite here. Hopefully we will see another fight of the year performance from Oscar and keep this division alive.
With that record I guess Oscar has the big potential of winning against his challenger and one thing that made him he become favorites of many people because he deserves all the hardwork. Though we don't see the odds yet, at least there's a amazing progress that we seen on him, and I believed he would able to defend his division as he win over all his fights.
Oscar Valdez has made a big progress, this is not his weight class, but he move up to challenge the champion and then won with an incredible knockout, so yes he deserves all the hard work becoming a champion and now defending it for the 1st time against Robson. But what's interesting is why he chooses this as his 1st fight after getting the belt. There was an argument that this is a cherry pick fight which I believed is true.
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https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/7/20/22585577/oscar-valdez-vs-robson-conceicao-official-september-10-tucson-boxing-news-2021
After his huge win against Miguel Berchelt to snatch the WBC super featherweight belt, Oscar Valdez returns and defends his crown against Olympic gold medalist Robson Conceicao.
I know some of you might be disappointed on choosing a relatively unknown boxer in the division, but I think Valdez is taking it slowly as he just move up in this division and probably still feeling the weight category that's why he chooses Conceicao.
Odds are not yet out, but I reckon that Valdez will be the favourite here. Hopefully we will see another fight of the year performance from Oscar and keep this division alive.
https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/7/20/22585577/oscar-valdez-vs-robson-conceicao-official-september-10-tucson-boxing-news-2021
After his huge win against Miguel Berchelt to snatch the WBC super featherweight belt, Oscar Valdez returns and defends his crown against Olympic gold medalist Robson Conceicao.
I know some of you might be disappointed on choosing a relatively unknown boxer in the division, but I think Valdez is taking it slowly as he just move up in this division and probably still feeling the weight category that's why he chooses Conceicao.
Odds are not yet out, but I reckon that Valdez will be the favourite here. Hopefully we will see another fight of the year performance from Oscar and keep this division alive.
With that record I guess Oscar has the big potential of winning against his challenger and one thing that made him he become favorites of many people because he deserves all the hardwork. Though we don't see the odds yet, at least there's a amazing progress that we seen on him, and I believed he would able to defend his division as he win over all his fights.
Yes, Valdez will be the outstanding favorites here in any angle, and will do everything to derail's Valdez plans of fighting others champion in this division. As a underdog, we love to bet on them, we just don't know when they will pull a surprised. Not seeing the odds yet, but I have a feeling that it could be 5.x and above odds for him. So it's riskier for us, but we can just throw in some small bets and hopefully he can get the job done.
I really think that he can surely get the job done, and Oscar Valdez is surely the favorite here, but Conceicao still have the experience to win here, but it will be a risk to bet on him in my opinion, but I really think that the Odds will surely sore with Oscar Valdez side.
Yes, Oscar can get the job done as long as he will not under estimate Robson in this fight. But I love Robson and make it a hard and difficult fight as least in the early rounds and use his height and reach advantage. And then we will see how Oscar will adjust and how his team will prepare him against a tall fighter. It will be a big risk to beat on Robson, that's why just a small bets will do, just to make the fight more fun to watch. So bet what you can afford to lose if we are going to the underdog.
we will bet if it can give satisfaction. Bettors will tend to choose an Oscar Valdez which man he has a plus for the match against Conceicao. But don't be happy, maybe Conceicao is hiding something inside him to the point where he agrees to face Valdez. Let's watch, and prepare some great bets for each of the heroes of his choice.
Valdez is going to have a lower odds in this one since he is the favorite fighter in this one, I feel like Robson will have a hard time adjusting to the rules since it's a bit different than that of Olympics but I do hope he will be able to acclimate and show that he can steal the crown from Valdez.
Valdez wills surely have an advantage on this match since he's more popular and well known than his opponent. I've also watched some of his matches and I could say that he really has potential. However, it might be hard for Robson to adjust to the rules but I believe that he'll do his best to make this match more exciting. It will be a good step for them to build bigger names on the ring. 
Yes, Valdez will be the outstanding favorites here in any angle, and will do everything to derail's Valdez plans of fighting others champion in this division. As a underdog, we love to bet on them, we just don't know when they will pull a surprised. Not seeing the odds yet, but I have a feeling that it could be 5.x and above odds for him. So it's riskier for us, but we can just throw in some small bets and hopefully he can get the job done.
I really think that he can surely get the job done, and Oscar Valdez is surely the favorite here, but Conceicao still have the experience to win here, but it will be a risk to bet on him in my opinion, but I really think that the Odds will surely sore with Oscar Valdez side.
A one sided match is a big burden for Robson to bear because no matter which happens to him, many will scorn him. What I mean by that is that if he wins against the favorite then he will be booed off by some of the supporters and if he loses he will be buried down by trash talks by the rabid and toxic supporters. Add that to the fact that he still has to prove himself.
This is going to be a double-edged sword for him, whatever the result maybe he will still be underrated by Oscar Valdez many fans this is not really new in the world of boxing, he surely needs to prove himself even further and gain many fans for himself.
an Oscar would learn a lot from his match against Miguel. Of course, Oskar has plus points to face his opponent this time. although so far I don't know more about the advantages possessed by Robson Conceicao. We will be very interested to see his performance in September. Oh well, by the way, has anyone bet on this boxing match, even though it's not very well known to heavyweight boxing circles. Which we are used to knowing popular gambling information.
Since both of them had experience fighting in almost different boxing classes, this opportunity would be very profitable for Oscar. However, of course, we often don't get to hear what Conceicao is fighting for, in fact, he will be very adamant about going to a much higher boxing class with the requirement to be able to conquer a boxer which he must then be an Oscar.
I think it will be a very entertaining fight as both fighters have never been defeated. Of course Oscar Valdes has twice as much experience, but Robson Conceicao shows very decent results in his four years of fighting. I'll be rooting for Robson, although I think that bookmakers are going to have a preference for Oscar Valdes.
Valdez's experience is going to make a big difference for this fight plus I feel like Conceicao is more of a method fighter given that Olympics has a stricter rule in boxing so he might have a hard time adapting or acclimating to the standard rules in this match. 
I think it will be a very entertaining fight as both fighters have never been defeated. Of course Oscar Valdes has twice as much experience, but Robson Conceicao shows very decent results in his four years of fighting. I'll be rooting for Robson, although I think that bookmakers are going to have a preference for Oscar Valdes.
I think this is a good start for any boxer that is a newbie to the weight in class because when you move up from your regular weight class, the punches aren't normal and you will feel the pressure as soon as it hits you the first time. There are only a few boxers who managed to take some punches when they fight those who are champions when they moved their weight and that will be not the case for others. so, Valdez, has some good initiative here hope that he will cleanly beat his opponent and fight the next big names in this category.
Many are really disappointed about moving down of class of Valdez just to defend his title against Conceicao, who still needs to accomplish a thing after 4 years of being a pro boxer, But after seeing this I think that Conceicao needs to prove himself to the people, and because many are pretty much one-sided by this and all were in favor with Oscar Valdez and many are predicting that this could be a TKO win for Valdez, that is why Robson Conceicao really needs to prove himself and prove that the hype are all wrong.
A one sided match is a big burden for Robson to bear because no matter which happens to him, many will scorn him. What I mean by that is that if he wins against the favorite then he will be booed off by some of the supporters and if he loses he will be buried down by trash talks by the rabid and toxic supporters. Add that to the fact that he still has to prove himself. Many are really disappointed about moving down of class of Valdez just to defend his title against Conceicao, who still needs to accomplish a thing after 4 years of being a pro boxer, But after seeing this I think that Conceicao needs to prove himself to the people, and because many are pretty much one-sided by this and all were in favor with Oscar Valdez and many are predicting that this could be a TKO win for Valdez, that is why Robson Conceicao really needs to prove himself and prove that the hype are all wrong.
Definitely, Top Rank has given him the perfect opportunity to showcase his talent against Valdez, so he should take this very seriously if he wanted to be the next so called cash cow or champion. But then again, Valdez has already proven himself, going up in weight and beat Miguel in a war. So he is just testing the mettle here and could win against a inexperience fighter in Robson.This is really their opportunity of a lifetime and could change his life forever, I have seen many stories change their life with boxing, and if Conceicao Robson won against Valdez this is going to be his big break, and many more opportunities will come to him, Both fighters are undefeated but Valdez has the upper experience, in my opinion, Valdez is 30 while Conceicao is 32 without any opportunity for him instead this one time, we clearly see that Oscar Valdez is the favorite here, and if there will be odd for these two I think Valdez will be more ahead on the odds, but I think there will be risk gamblers that may take on Robson Conceicao side because they want to win much money because of the great number on the odds.
Yes, Valdez will be the outstanding favorites here in any angle, and will do everything to derail's Valdez plans of fighting others champion in this division. As a underdog, we love to bet on them, we just don't know when they will pull a surprised. Not seeing the odds yet, but I have a feeling that it could be 5.x and above odds for him. So it's riskier for us, but we can just throw in some small bets and hopefully he can get the job done.
Valdez is going to have a lower odds in this one since he is the favorite fighter in this one, I feel like Robson will have a hard time adjusting to the rules since it's a bit different than that of Olympics but I do hope he will be able to acclimate and show that he can steal the crown from Valdez.
Most likely that will happen so that is not on our favour.
However, we all know that sport bookies will give us more options, much riskier but I'm sure majority here is willing to take that big risk to win big in this fight.
I also thought that Valdez can possibly win by a knock out as proven in his last fight that he can throw that left hook with so much power behind. So the best bet here is to put like what round/s Valdez going to knock out Robson. It will be an accomplishment for Robson to last 12 rounds here, since he lacks the experience.
Valdez is going to have a lower odds in this one since he is the favorite fighter in this one, I feel like Robson will have a hard time adjusting to the rules since it's a bit different than that of Olympics but I do hope he will be able to acclimate and show that he can steal the crown from Valdez.
Many are really disappointed about moving down of class of Valdez just to defend his title against Conceicao, who still needs to accomplish a thing after 4 years of being a pro boxer, But after seeing this I think that Conceicao needs to prove himself to the people, and because many are pretty much one-sided by this and all were in favor with Oscar Valdez and many are predicting that this could be a TKO win for Valdez, that is why Robson Conceicao really needs to prove himself and prove that the hype are all wrong.
Definitely, Top Rank has given him the perfect opportunity to showcase his talent against Valdez, so he should take this very seriously if he wanted to be the next so called cash cow or champion. But then again, Valdez has already proven himself, going up in weight and beat Miguel in a war. So he is just testing the mettle here and could win against a inexperience fighter in Robson.This is really their opportunity of a lifetime and could change his life forever, I have seen many stories change their life with boxing, and if Conceicao Robson won against Valdez this is going to be his big break, and many more opportunities will come to him, Both fighters are undefeated but Valdez has the upper experience, in my opinion, Valdez is 30 while Conceicao is 32 without any opportunity for him instead this one time, we clearly see that Oscar Valdez is the favorite here, and if there will be odd for these two I think Valdez will be more ahead on the odds, but I think there will be risk gamblers that may take on Robson Conceicao side because they want to win much money because of the great number on the odds.
Many are really disappointed about moving down of class of Valdez just to defend his title against Conceicao, who still needs to accomplish a thing after 4 years of being a pro boxer, But after seeing this I think that Conceicao needs to prove himself to the people, and because many are pretty much one-sided by this and all were in favor with Oscar Valdez and many are predicting that this could be a TKO win for Valdez, that is why Robson Conceicao really needs to prove himself and prove that the hype are all wrong.
Definitely, Top Rank has given him the perfect opportunity to showcase his talent against Valdez, so he should take this very seriously if he wanted to be the next so called cash cow or champion. But then again, Valdez has already proven himself, going up in weight and beat Miguel in a war. So he is just testing the mettle here and could win against a inexperience fighter in Robson. I'm checking Robson Conceicao boxrec here; https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/772975. No experience yet, so yes this is a cherry pick fight for Valdez obviously. With only 16 fights under Robson's belt, I don't think he has enough experienced to give Oscar some problems. All I can see is that this kid is tall, almost 5'11 and that might posed some issues with Oscar early, but for sure he can adjust as the fight goes on and maybe can score a KO/TKO with his now famous and developed left hook under coach Reynoso.
Oscar Valdez is under the banner of Top Rank, which is good at building their fighters through cherry picking boxers that will show the strength of their cash cow, in this case Valdez is being brewed to be the next one.
So no surprised that they have to pick a fighter with less experience but with the selling point of being a Olympic gold medalist.
Haha, very true. Oscar's last fight against Miguel was awesome if you are an ordinary boxing fan as he looks very good in that fight. He goes up in weight to beat Miguel which for me is very doable since the latter is so slow and Top Rank exploited that to make Oscar's stock goes up just like what they did to Manny Pacquiao.
Yeah, it's a careful match making in which Top Rank is good at although they have been criticized.
I don't want to mentioned Manny Pacquiao, but he is the classic example of Top Rank's cherry picking history. Not to discredit the legend himself, but his rose has something to do with this move.
With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
It's good in paper to fight a Olympic gold medalist. But amateur is very different from pro, and there are good Olympians who didn't succeed when they goes to the pro rank.
Many are really disappointed about moving down of class of Valdez just to defend his title against Conceicao, who still needs to accomplish a thing after 4 years of being a pro boxer, But after seeing this I think that Conceicao needs to prove himself to the people, and because many are pretty much one-sided by this and all were in favor with Oscar Valdez and many are predicting that this could be a TKO win for Valdez, that is why Robson Conceicao really needs to prove himself and prove that the hype are all wrong.
I've checked Robson record and matches on Youtube of course the best place to check and this is what I saw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZC3sXYb1dg, Robson is a boxer who loves to engage he is a volume puncher but lacks the knockout punch to take out his opponent with a single punch, he has experienced in amateur boxing and there are still traces of amateur in his fighting style, I have a hard time believing that he can keep up with Valdez, I'll go for Valdez on this match.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZC3sXYb1dg, Robson is a boxer who loves to engage he is a volume puncher but lacks the knockout punch to take out his opponent with a single punch, he has experienced in amateur boxing and there are still traces of amateur in his fighting style, I have a hard time believing that he can keep up with Valdez, I'll go for Valdez on this match.
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With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
Agreed, the amateur boxing is different from pro one, and definitely, Robson is underdog in the coming bout. IMO, Robson should extensively train a chin protection otherwise he will fall early. The trick that might work for him is steadily backward movement, face down, facing opponent to avoid punching attack into the head. I'm waiting TKO from Oscar in the second half of the fight.
history says both of them are gold medalists in Olympics. both must be trained hard already before going to the proboxing. Conceicao, however, seems to have fewer fights but has a shot to fight against Valdez for the super featherweight title. great opportunity really.
these boxers are very achievers you can tell by their records. Conceicao 8 win fights all by way of KO. Valdez has 29 fights and 23 by KO!
Right, but as far as experience goes, Oscar Valdez has the advantage because he has proven himself already. Unless Robson is very special Olympian like Loma who become world champion is less than 10 fights. But I'm not seeing it on Robson, might be a good mid-tier fighter in this division and might go up in weight because he is too tall for this weight class and his body can't squeeze that inside his 5'10" body frame.
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With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
Agreed, the amateur boxing is different from pro one, and definitely, Robson is underdog in the coming bout. IMO, Robson should extensively train a chin protection otherwise he will fall early. The trick that might work for him is steadily backward movement, face down, facing opponent to avoid punching attack into the head. I'm waiting TKO from Oscar in the second half of the fight.
Hah, there is no such training that will get your chin stronger. I remember Amir Khan, he has a weak chin, trained under famed boxing coach Freddy Roach. All they can do is to strengthen his neck muscles to somewhat absorb the power, but it's not enough as Khan still loses with a KO.
As for the fight, Valdez should win this, but he shouldn't take Robson lightly. He is 5'10 and I will say that has power in both hands.
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With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
Agreed, the amateur boxing is different from pro one, and definitely, Robson is underdog in the coming bout. IMO, Robson should extensively train a chin protection otherwise he will fall early. The trick that might work for him is steadily backward movement, face down, facing opponent to avoid punching attack into the head. I'm waiting TKO from Oscar in the second half of the fight.
history says both of them are gold medalists in Olympics. both must be trained hard already before going to the proboxing. Conceicao, however, seems to have fewer fights but has a shot to fight against Valdez for the super featherweight title. great opportunity really.
these boxers are very achievers you can tell by their records. Conceicao 8 win fights all by way of KO. Valdez has 29 fights and 23 by KO!
Everybody wanted to see him unify with Herring but Herring has a mandatory against Shakur Stevenson he has to take care of. Stevenson is the favorite in that fight and the odds will be really even if he ends up fighting against Valdez. Conceicao is a good tune up for Valdez. He is an olympic gold medalist and so far he is undefeated as a pro fighter.
Is the Herring vs Stevenson finalised already? or it is in works?
That's also an interesting match as well, and I do agree that Shakur can win this won maybe on a UD.
As for Valdez, yes definitely a tune up fight for him, Conceicao hasn't proved anything in this division and then facing the champion. Wonder though how much money will he get in this fight just to become a tune up for Valdez, 80-20% split?
I'm checking Robson Conceicao boxrec here; https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/772975. No experience yet, so yes this is a cherry pick fight for Valdez obviously. With only 16 fights under Robson's belt, I don't think he has enough experienced to give Oscar some problems. All I can see is that this kid is tall, almost 5'11 and that might posed some issues with Oscar early, but for sure he can adjust as the fight goes on and maybe can score a KO/TKO with his now famous and developed left hook under coach Reynoso.
Oscar Valdez is under the banner of Top Rank, which is good at building their fighters through cherry picking boxers that will show the strength of their cash cow, in this case Valdez is being brewed to be the next one.
So no surprised that they have to pick a fighter with less experience but with the selling point of being a Olympic gold medalist.
Haha, very true. Oscar's last fight against Miguel was awesome if you are an ordinary boxing fan as he looks very good in that fight. He goes up in weight to beat Miguel which for me is very doable since the latter is so slow and Top Rank exploited that to make Oscar's stock goes up just like what they did to Manny Pacquiao.
With Robson Conceicao a gold medalist in the Olympics, this may be enough to sell some tickets though but pro boxing and Olympic boxing is very different from each other so we can expect Oscar to demolish Robson come fight night.
I'm checking Robson Conceicao boxrec here; https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/772975. No experience yet, so yes this is a cherry pick fight for Valdez obviously. With only 16 fights under Robson's belt, I don't think he has enough experienced to give Oscar some problems. All I can see is that this kid is tall, almost 5'11 and that might posed some issues with Oscar early, but for sure he can adjust as the fight goes on and maybe can score a KO/TKO with his now famous and developed left hook under coach Reynoso.
Oscar Valdez is under the banner of Top Rank, which is good at building their fighters through cherry picking boxers that will show the strength of their cash cow, in this case Valdez is being brewed to be the next one.
So no surprised that they have to pick a fighter with less experience but with the selling point of being a Olympic gold medalist.
Everybody wanted to see him unify with Herring but Herring has a mandatory against Shakur Stevenson he has to take care of. Stevenson is the favorite in that fight and the odds will be really even if he ends up fighting against Valdez. Conceicao is a good tune up for Valdez. He is an olympic gold medalist and so far he is undefeated as a pro fighter.
I'm checking Robson Conceicao boxrec here; https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/772975. No experience yet, so yes this is a cherry pick fight for Valdez obviously. With only 16 fights under Robson's belt, I don't think he has enough experienced to give Oscar some problems. All I can see is that this kid is tall, almost 5'11 and that might posed some issues with Oscar early, but for sure he can adjust as the fight goes on and maybe can score a KO/TKO with his now famous and developed left hook under coach Reynoso.
After his huge win against Miguel Berchelt to snatch the WBC super featherweight belt, Oscar Valdez returns and defends his crown against Olympic gold medalist Robson Conceicao.
I know some of you might be disappointed on choosing a relatively unknown boxer in the division, but I think Valdez is taking it slowly as he just move up in this division and probably still feeling the weight category that's why he chooses Conceicao.
Odds are not yet out, but I reckon that Valdez will be the favourite here. Hopefully we will see another fight of the year performance from Oscar and keep this division alive.
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