Topic: [Boxing]: Taylor vs Catterall - April 27 (Read 182 times)

Jack Catterall though is the younger if I'm not mistaken, and is not yet a battle torn fighter as compare to Josh Taylor. Who have to go to a lot to unify all the belts and I do agree that it might have added a negative effect to him as he looks like experiencing a burn-out after accomplishing it.

Of course, every boxer wanted to score a knockout win against their opponents, that is the goal in every fight. But not every night it will present itself and so you need to have plan B and be as dominant as you can and maybe the knockout will come. If not then the judges will score and hopefully you did your best. This is huge fight in UK as they are domestic rivals and so maybe a trilogy is possible because of the money that they can made and before Josh Taylor retire.

They just need to unleash it all here so that the fans will hype and whoever gonna wins this one, should not reach the official's decisions, in other words, it should be a TKO because there's no point in having a trilogy at this stage of their careers since they are at the peak of it and all they need to do is exert all effort to win their match since they are being overshadowed with the other boxers' popularity and they cannot seems to get a huge fights which everyone getting nowadays, I'm talking the middle eastern one where the payment is huge. All they need to do is get themselves off those contracts before they retire.

Added it as well to the OP, thanks for the suggestion (running out of merit, I will try to get back at you,  ).


Yes, it look like Josh has lost some step and his mind is no longer in boxing. While Catterall wanted to get his revenge against him in this fight. Nevertheless, the odd makers might see something in Josh Taylor as they put him as slight favorite again, not like in the first fight wherein Josh was a huge favorite. Who knows, if this is anther close and controversial fight, they might go for a trilogy. But it depends on the numbers that they are going to put in this fight. If it is promising as if it says that fight wants are willing to buy then maybe a 3rd fight might happen.

Yes, all of the sudden Josh Taylor looks old and past his prime against Teo Lopez and so he lost his belt just like that. He used to be the unified champion here, having all the belts, and then vacated the two if I'm not mistaken.

And so with this fight, we will see if Catterall can vindicate himself or at least shows us the he is indeed declared to be the winner in their fight. Only consolidation for him as there are no more belts in the line and probably this is the reason why Josh Taylor give him the rematch. Even if he losses, Catterall has nothing to gain except the bragging rights that he beat Josh in their rematch.

If Catterall will indeed prepare this fight seriously, the chance of getting an upset win is very likely. As the odds is not very wide, it means, bookies are on the side that they may have equal footing if both are getting inside the ring prepared. Both boxers have good KO percentage also, but Taylor is higher than Catterall. So Taylor needs to KO Catterall at the very early rounds to get a sure win. Otherwise, if this will go the distance, Catterall can get this match on his favour.

Thanks for sharing the updated betting odds, you can also add it in the OP just for reference.

Well, that's a good suggestion, Taylor doesn't look the same anymore on his last fight, so even if Taylor beat Catterall on their last meeting, but it was a close one since it was a split decision win in favor of him. This rematch might probably favor Catterall here, so being on a slight underdog, I think I would take it any day. Both fighters still have more than a month before the day of the fight, so in case Catterall will win here, I'm pretty sure the fans will be expecting a trilogy, so it's good for boxing.

ML odds for now,

Taylor - 1.70
Catterall - 2.08

So Josh is a slight favorite going into this fight. And even if he is coming from a lost, odd makers think that he can win against his rival. I think the odds will remain the same here and I don't see a wild swing and make Catterall the favorite here.

But in any case that fans knows that Taylor is way past his prime already, then a bet on Jack will be good this early.

And so Eddie Hearn is comparing the grudge match on Froch vs Groves,


https://www.boxingscene.com/taylor-catterall-hearn-echoes-froch-groves--181597

But I think this is different though, there was no knockout or knockdown in the fight and it was just Jack Catterall is a bad match-up for Josh Taylor that time and we might say he could have underestimate Jack that time.

I would also agree that this is a big fight for either, Catterall to get up in the rankings for 140 lbs and even become a mandatory, and then for Josh, he needed this big win, to at least have a future fight in 140-147 lbs as a lost would obviously will obviously take a big toll on him mentally.

There are a lot of emotions during the face-off, both camp are very eager to face each other and there are a lot of words being thrown at each other before this fight. And so this is not just a taunt but they are talking this matter very personal specially Jack Catterall as he believed he was robbed in the first fight and that he should have been a champion already, so just imagine the emotions and his mentality that it took years for this fight to happen, but this time there are no belt but just bragging rights in the line. There has been a lot of domestic rivalries in UK though, so this could be one in the books. And who knows, if Jack won here there could be another fight to really settle the scores.  Some notable domestic rivalries  is Chris Eubank vs Nigel Benn, Khan vs Kell Brook, Eubank Jr vs Liam Smith.

You're just stating the fact he does look old it has something to do with his training yes this is one of the evidence that Taylor is trying to cut weight he needs to maintain a weight that is nearest to his ideal weight a week before the weigh-in so he can make the 140 in a gradual manner, so instead of being in his natural weight during the training and just to drastically cut weight one or two weeks before the fight.

Taylor is doing it right, the 147 weight two weeks before the fight is an ideal weight he can easily make the cut and rehydrate in time for the fight, what happened in the press conference was expected because Caterall cannot accept the defeat it was a very controversial win considering that all titles are at stake then, it's a big frustration for Caterall and he shows it in the press conference.

Not only that, there was a slapping incident at the press conference, Caterall just could not control himself from Taylor's taunt it's only 7 days before the fight the thrash talk will continue I just hope this time they will settle once and for all who is the better fighter I hope Taylor can make the weigh-in I like to see his move and his movement in the weigh, you can easily tell if a boxer will struggle in the ring, the weigh-in is an indication.
here is the video of that slap
Josh Taylor vs. Jack Catterall - EXPLOSIVE First Face-Off

Yes, same here, we can also look for the argument of boxers who go on weigh-in and not making the desired weight, stripped of the belt or even have to be penalized from the purse itself. And that's why this is professional, everything should be perfect, including their health going into the fight. But I guess, sometimes is avoidable for fighters to make the weight but they look very drain even in UFC fights and you can see that after the weigh in, they have some liquid to replenish their body.
Or even hydrating to 10 pounds of more during the fight night. So it's possible here, Taylor making it hard to his body to make the 140 lbs, but then gaining it back to during the fight night.

Saw the feed on my social media, about the press conference.

https://twitter.com/HotBoxingMinute/status/1759616800541802668

Josh Taylor looks old to me, sorry for his fans here. But the press conference is funny as hell, everyone has to say something bad against each other including the trainer of Jack.

And as expected, during the face-off

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NsFLfgPx-b8

They have to be separated, and it looks like there is no love lost between the two, hehehe.

Taylor though for me looks heavier here, so yeah probably walking about 140 lbs, and hopefully we can make the weight as he said that it could be either at 140 or 147 lbs they will have to fight. But here it's obvious that it will be 140 lbs.

Odds are out now, Josh the favorite

Taylor - 1.69
Catterall - 2.09

Edit: you can also search for the whole press conference if you like, to see how's everyone is animated, including Jack's trainer.

There's no belt on the line here, as you have seen, others pointed out that he lost his IBF belt to Teo Lopez. What's in line here is their pride as both is from UK so they are domestic rivals and for sure there are hype amongst their fans in their country.

Hopefully there will be no controversial, based on the two, after their first fight, Josh Taylor career might have been going down. Yeah, I do agree that he thinks that he is still in his prime, but if Jack beat him here, perhaps few fights like in him before he could retire. No need to go on if upcoming fighters are just going to beat the former undisputed 140 lbs champion. It might hit his legacy.

Probably because the fight was lackluster and they're not really that good of showman when it comes to hyping up the crowd so there's really not a lot of people that are talking about their fight and there's also the fact that it's a controversial split decision, that's probably one of the reason why not a lot of talks because of that issue.
If Catterall does his job right now and knock out Taylor then he'll secure the belt and I think that's probably the strategy for Catterall's team, they don't want to settle with a split decision because that could mean that they're going to see another lose for themselves, it's not far off to think that this 2nd fight is going to end the same controversial decision.

Definitely, but they can't help themselves though as there are obviously weight class and most of them try to really fight in this weight class that they feel they can dominate, just in the case of Josh Taylor who become undisputed. But if he goes up to 147 lbs, there are a lot of natural bigger guy than him. And so maybe this will be his last fight at this division before he will go up and give the long overdue rematch with Jack Catterall. Let's see how he will be in the weigh-in, maybe we can see him really drain or if his team did a good job on trying to maintain that weight at least for this fight.

Josh Taylor was previously defeated by Teofimo Lopez after his first fight against Catterall and of course in this first fight we saw that Josh Taylor was indeed better than Catterall, but all of this was taken over by Lopez.
First defeat but it really destroyed him because he lost the WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO light welterweight belts when he wanted to become the undisputed champion Lopez really was the only boxer who was able to beat Josh Taylor during his career as professional boxer.
But even though he has lost his championship belt or previous title and suffered defeat to Lopez, that doesn't mean everyone considers him loser, there are still many people who believe that Josh Taylor will be able to get it all again.
He is also really prepared and very confident that in the rematch he will be able to beat Catterall easily.

I confident that Josh Taylor will really be able to beat Catterall as much confidence as he has, he is great fighter and he will still be one of the best.
Defeat is lesson and Josh Taylor will use his defeat against Lopez as valuable lesson.

Honestly, I don't want to see boxers draining themselves just to make weight it's a big handicap for a boxer, and too much loss of fluid in the body is dangerous I remember the great Pacquiao cutting weight while he was in the flyweight division it affected his performance his opponent just need to connect one punch to out down Pacquiao it was a body punch if Pacquiao is in good condition that guy could not even last long, so if Taylor cannot rehydrate properly in the fight Caterall can put out Taylor easily, Taylor needs a good nutritionist so he can balance cutting the weight and rehydrating at the right time.
I still have Taylor as the favorite but I need to first see how things will turnout in the weigh-in, this is something to watch out for how both fighters will do the weigh-in.

Yes, this fight should have taken 2 years ago. But there are reasons or shall we say excuses from the side of Josh Taylor that he seems not interesting of giving Jack Catterall his rematch. But maybe Josh Taylor can't find any suitable fighters or at least a fight that will make him a lot of money, and so he chooses to give Jack the fight in 2024. There career took a turn after the first fight, Josh lost the belt already, he is no longer the champion, while Jack has so-so performance and his lost to Taylor was obviously still in his mind.

So let's see if the Tartan Tornado can still pull the trigger or if he is what we call past his prime years already. He has been asked about it, and he says that he is not. And his lost to Teo doesn't mean that he is finished, according to him.

Both of them are playing dirty in that fight in my opinion, it could be that they really hate each other, but I don't think that Taylor is dominating, there are a lot of close rounds and that's why the first fight ended that way, scores, it's a split decision win for Josh.

However, I do agree that in close fight or close rounds, usually the judges gave it to the champion. And that's what happens here, Jack was so close to defeating Josh back then, but it should be very convincing for the judges. And with that, up to this day, it's questionable win for him and the only way to settle this is to get them to fight again here to settle it once and for all. Josh Taylor though might be in the danger as they are fighting at 140 lbs, in which he says that he had difficulty making the weight already. So he could be draining himself just to get to this limit.

Caterall played dirty in the fight, the point deduction may have an impact on the score but he deserves the deduction, In that fight Taylor but down but Caterall still hit him in the head, he could still play dirty in this fight because Taylor is dominating him, although the fight ended in the controversy, I consider Taylor winning the fight, Caterall never totally dominated the fight, in a championship match if the match is too close the champion will have the slight edge because the challenger should take the title away from the champion, which is to dominates him so its will not questionable in the eyes of the boxing community.

I've seen article about this match its good that you create this thread.


They should have held the match immediately but it's better late than never, the fight is very controversial and it is time for both fighters to settle the score and what way to settle it by knocking or dominating the other, in the first fight Taylor suffered his first career knockdown, I'm sure he will try to avenge that, their style fits each other.

I hope this time they'll get a good referee who can be totally in command of the fight, the first fight is quite dirty and the point deductions made an impact on the scorecard.

For this second fight, I prefer Taylor to win the fight because he has the height, reach, and skill advantage something he did not take advantage of in their first fight, Taylor badly needed this fight to recapture his old glory.

I haven't seen the first fight, but upon checking the records now, I see that it was a split decision win by Taylor. I think I will have to check the highlights of that particular fight. However, since this is not a championship fight and Taylor is not undefeated anymore after losing to Teofimo, I don't find it as an exciting matchup anymore.

If I have to choose between the two and place a bet, I'd take Catterall. I don't like how Taylor lost to Kambosos; he seemed to be not the same anymore. Additionally, I'm curious to see if he has fully recovered from his injury, so I'm fading him in this fight, at least for now.

They say it is better late than never. The fans will finally see this rematch that should have happened a long time ago. In their last matches, Catterall prevailed upon an old Linares while Taylor lost a decision to Lopez. There is no championship belt but this is a match British fans want. We will witness if Taylor is finished or if it is time for Catterall.

However, I can also predict that Taylor is doing this for money. He always said that by making the weight he forfeited part of his conditioning. He should move to another weight class after this match. Even though it will be more difficult to become champion assuming he goes up however perhaps his body will become more grounded and quicker if he does not dehydrate himself.

This is a very serious fight and a must watch for all. From the speech's of both fighters as read from the link provided in the Op it is obvious that this fight is not about the title literally, it's personal. According to Catterall, "this is not about the belt", in my opinion it is a revenge, a vendetta shoved fight for him to prove a point to his fans and other people.

I understand Taylor is a good fighter of which I admire his qualities but am in lack of faith in Taylor if he actually knows what is coming to him April 27th because Catterall isn't smile at all as he's ready to see Taylor to retirement.

The  rematch between Josh Taylor Vs Jack catterall fight is going to be tough fight regarding to how the fight ended last time with controversy. Jack catterall lost the fight with disputed decision to Josh Taylor, jack catterall even knocked him down in the eight round of the fight. The judges scorecards were questionable most people saw it as biased and inaccurate because they favoured Taylor despite catterall strong performance. catterall wanted the rematch of this fight because of how he lost last time the met it's going to be competitive for both.

It's just weird though, I mean Josh Taylor reach the top of 140 lbs, becoming just the second boxer to do that after Bud Crawford. But after that, it went downhill for him very quick. He vacated majority of the belt and just retain one. And then defended it against unknown Jack Catterall that time and it's supposed to be an easy fight for him. But he went toe to toe and almost lost it. Fans asking for a rematch, but he got injured and then deny Jack that rematch during that time. Lost to Teo and most likely could be in the sunset already and I do agree that he might consider retirement here if he lost to Jack without controversy.

Josh Taylor had a great run where he became undisputed champion but I believe he has already reached the limits of his potential and is now in decline. Catterall is an average fighter who he should have beaten easily the first time around. After that loss to Teofimo Lopez he cannot have another bad performance. I can’t see Taylor beating any of the champions, except for Rolly Romero who only fights PBC fighters. If he moves up he definitely won’t beat Crawford or even Ennis. It might be worth considering retirement at this point. We’ll see how he looks against Catterall to determine how much he has left and whether he is still viable at the championship level.

I think there's no more hype in this fight, they could have done it before when everyone is talking how amazing the 1st fight is and that a rematch should be done ASAP.

But it's obvious that Top Rank and Josh Taylor duck Jack Catterall and making excuses after excuses. He could have injuries, but then they let Teo Lopez, a Top Rank fighter to go against Josh Taylor and he was upset and now he doesn't have any belt anymore.

It might be good for their domestic fans in UK, and the day is also coincide with the Ryan Garcia vs Devin Haney so it's a bad date for them.

I haven't seen anyone talk about this rematch,

But this is long overdue, rematch between bitter rivals Josh Taylor vs Jack Catterall. There are fans who thought that Jack earn enough to beat Josh Taylor that time and win the undisputed 140 lbs. But Josh Taylor was declared the winner and they are supposed to fight for a rematch immediately after that. But Josh have supposedly injured his hands if I'm not mistaken and then we all know what happens next, Taylor lost to Teo. This is probably Taylor last hurrah, if he lose this one I think he might go and retire for good. Perhaps this is just for the money for Josh and I thought that he is going to move to 147 lbs, but competition there is going to be very hard for him.



https://www.boxingscene.com/josh-taylor-vs-jack-catterall-rematch-finalized-april-27-leeds--181453

What are your thoughts on this fight?

Latest odds:

Taylor - 1.70
Catterall - 2.08