Topic: BOYCOTT MPEx & SDice [RACISM] (Read 9137 times)

MPOE-PR seems really unhinged person from the quotes I see popping up, do to his/her childish tantrums and ignorance I leave the character/troll on permanent ignore.

The war is over, I have all the quotes I need from Erik to ensure future discussion of this topic covers the needed facts.

I encourage all the young teeenagers and ignorant man-childern such as MPOO-ER to educate themselves further and consider being more racially sensitive not less.

Bitcoin crosses all borders, we dont need a foul mouth racist or his defender representing bitcoin unchallenged - when a bored news reporter decideds to to an expose on the racism in the bitcoin community we need threads like this to show that while  there is support, its limited to a few key individuals and companies:

* Erik Voorhees of SatoshiDice
* MPOO-ER or Turd Burglars inc'
* haitispaceagency of racist trolls r us
* MPEx the asshole of bitcoin.

Way to spin it off, the idea is that some people of European or Asian descent don't really fully comprehend the negative connotation associated with the N word in the western media.

That was about three months ago. You must be new.


Wait, what?!

Mem, could you please put the warfare on pause for a second and add us to your gambling list?

I think it is a bit tasteless when the PR person of a company insults a critic of that company even if the critic is wrong, can't we all have a civil, logical discussion and whoever wins at the battle of arguments and counter-arguments will hold the credibility in the public's eyes?

I am just speculating but it seems to me that Mircea isn't really a racist even though he could have conveyed his point more gently by considering the history of racism and ethnic discrimination in the U.S. and the fact that Bitcoin is popular within the same demographic of people that will actually read him, despite his Armenian descent he could have been more considerate of other nations. I don't see Eriks point however that using Reddit or any other tool for that matter puts an "I support racists" flag over your head, we use various tools on a daily basis that killers also use that no sane person would ever use in the same manner.

Mircea seems to yellow press some of his posts in shock value to make people actually read them, not the most respectable practice but hey he's got his hands clean. Still this scene pops into my head when I read the title: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpCDKea7HJ4

Ahahaha this was great you disingenuous piece of shit. Keep 'em coming.


Apparently the BFL puppet master is displeased with coinjedi getting owned after scamming the bettors in a Meni Rosenfeld reputational propping scheme (where you make a fake "counter" asset that's dysfunctional to try and crowd out the legitimate counter-assets, carries Meni Rosenfeld's name because he did it with Pirate back in the day, before pushing that entire Bitdaytrade/JROwens scam). This would be the attempt at diversion/damage control. Apparently, it failed. I wonder why.

so whats the real cause, did you lose too many dice rolls or sumtin

Agreed.


Added MPEx to the topic to address this.


Familiar with Freedom of Speech at all ?


THANK YOU, Erik is to smart to be fooled by this - i really have my doubts about his character after his defence.

Cry me a river then go fuck yourself.

"Busy" = "Busy", I'll check the replies now but higher priorities have had my attention.

If it is/was a screamingly urgent matter email me on [email protected]

hey erik, has your business suffered at all because of this claim? has it plummeted it beause a guy who made a trhead on an internet forum slandered you? ha ha...hahahha. this is bloody rich.

Sure sure Erik.

Now before we delve into your long defense winded of racist speech, Id like to point of your conigitive dissonance on fault by assosciation.

http://blog.bitinstant.com/blog/2012/11/20/the-full-faith-and-credit-of-wikipedia.html




Understandably.

OK, so we have established that you did not have prior knowledge of this ugly side.

The very fact that someone choses to use the N word in the offensive and derogatory terms does indeed make them a racist.
This is an interesting point you have made though Erik, I feel many many people will disagree, you and I clearly do over this point.

I shall skip the long justification of why you and this person feel it is ok.

I advise all that wish to come to their own conclusion do read this as well. I firmly disagree with Erik on this matter and shall be leaving a permanent asterix against SatoshiDice.

I again point your cognitive dissonance on fault by association citing your wikipedia rant as my example.


You are associated, there is no escaping this fact and I chose to boycott what I perceive to be businesses (or businesses represented/run by openly racist individuals) and their associates.

Reddit is a fine example of what freedom of speech entails, you yourself have no problem advertising satoshidice on reddit.... hrmmm whats this more hypocrisy ?


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Here I have to correct your obvious ignorance, there is REAL racism everywhere and only a fool would claim otherwise. You live in Dubai to escape American laws, you of all people should be intimately familiar with racism.

I was quite upset when I made that post, feeling sick to my stomach that I may have been inadvertently helping filth promote there ideals, still I stand by reddit as an indeal freedom speech platform.

Uh oh, Dr Erik is going to do some armchair psychology over the internet, I'll skip it stating this - I no longer respect you or your opinions based on your chosen association with and defense of an individual I feel is an repulsive outspoken racist.

So nice of you to brand a whole country there and very interesting fro, here I suffer hypocrisy myself I dislike the county you inhabit (Dubai) based on is clear racism and ongoing pseudo slavery and horrific treatment of women.

Haha dear Mem of Mem's list that somehow magically I've never heard of, let me tell you a story: back a couple decades ago, this unheard of kid with little practical skills but a lot of aspirations and ambitions by the name Michael Moore latched himself to the CEO of General Motors, back then a respectable business with significant income and marketplace importance. You know, sort of like how you're trying to latch on to the boss of MPEx.

The fellow proceeded to scream his nonsense insistently, it was something to do with how plant workers that had been fired because their plant was closed (which happened because their work was not worth their pay and  their union blocked - for years - any attempts to fix the problem) should not have been fired because now they have no money which is not acceptable! And about how the residents of a town built entirely of GM salaries have a right to hate GM. And so forth.

It never went anywhere for him really, but then again twenty years ago the colleges were merely beginning to spew out the functionally illiterate by the horde. By now, a full twenty years into this process you should probably do better, a lot more superficial people around. Good luck!


Obviously the original poster doesn't have the ability to do this himself, but perhaps you could try on your own and come up with a list of reasons to complement your list of judgements of value. You know, I think X because Y is always better than X!!!!


Interesting. So Mem of Mem's list, are you being paid for this? Or how did you find the time to fit everything into your busy schedule? Do tell, it may be useful for other people with busy schedules.


This is interesting because it pretty much describes the normal workings of the liber[tard] press machine. This is, after all, how elections are won in the dear old US these days. The fact that a random nitwit on an obscure forum displays a full array of Cathedral garb makes one think that the barrier to entry couldn't possibly be very high, which will likely lead to fragmentation of discourse and eventual meaninglessness. Anyway.


You probably should be. I'm going to ask about this.


Nice to see you're still resenting us for pointing out what miserable scammy scum you are back six months ago? A full year? I'm glad that burned. Be assured it will continue to for as long as you live.

Wait, let me get this straight.

There is an illegal gambling game whose illegal shares are being sold illegally on an illegal stock exchange site with money widely criticized across the world for being connected to money laundering, drugs and child porn and you're telling everyone to boycott everything involved in the mix, not for those reasons, but because someone used the "n" word on the internet?

check out this very interesting post i saw on reddit

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c4qpt/the_hypocrisy_of_the_bitcoin_community/c9m2zhp

don't listen to mem he is a racist ignorant bigot.

damn mem just got fucking wreck extremely hard. are you ok m8? mate, relaly, i'm concerned, you just got wrecked and want to make sur eyou are ok, are you ok mate?

Wow Mem, where should I start?

First of all, there are not any "paid trolls" of SatoshiDice. You are simply trying to get a reaction out of people by making such claims. In fact, you are lying, because such people don't exist.

Second, to the more important point of Mircea's post. This issue flared up a couple months ago when some people found that post. Then, like now, there were some people outraged over it. I read it back then (not having seen it before), and re-read it just now, and both times came away with the following opinion: It is inaccurate and indeed ignorant to label Mircea racist from that post's content. The fact that someone uses the N word doesn't make them racist. A racist is someone who believes certain races are inherently better or more worthy than others. Let me quote a very important point, made in that blog post [bold emphasis added]:



That statement indicates quite clearly that Mircea is not a racist, as he does not believe one's genes are a basis for merit.

And further, more nuanced,


He is saying that blacks tended not to do so well historically (an arguable historical observation), but that one should not link any individual of this race with this historical failure. Stated differently, a black individual today shouldn't be linked to that failure merely due to his skin color. The skin color one is born into is irrelevant, and people should be considered on an individual basis. Not only is this non-racist, but is the root of what Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was talking about, "...judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

I highly recommend everyone actually read the blog post, for while it's certainly incendiary and I think unnecessarily provocative, it is not the writing of a racist. I've seen racist writings, this is not it.

And yet, what really bothers me here is you, Mem. For while the main moral problem with racism is in the "fault by association," I see that you are succumbing to that exact fallacy. You are associating SatoshiDice, and myself, with "racism" simply because you believe Mircea to be racist.  And your hipocrisy is outlandish here, for you use the Reddit platform to post this, yet you know how many real racists there are using Reddit to spout their filth?? There is REAL racism on Reddit, yet you are fine utilizing that platform for your purpose in order to discredit me for utilizing a platform of one person whom you allege is racist. Further, your entire post is incendiary, worded specifically to get a rise out of people... and this is the exact same thing Mircea did with the N word, for which you fault him (and me by association).

Honestly, Mem, it sounds to me like you have deep insecurity about your own thoughts on race. For I find many people who harbor deep seeded racist notions overcompensate by engaging in obnoxious racism policing. Germany is a great example of an entire nation doing this, for it is actually illegal to speak in favor of Nazism there.

Again, I recommend everyone read Mircea's post, slowly and carefully, and come to your own conclusions. Mem, feel free to remove SD from your list. I'm not sure I want it to be associated with witch hunters.

People seem to think racism has no effect on the victims the actual effects are pretty horrifying. http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/health/

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/its-my-fing-country-racist-rant-caught-on-camera-20130412-2hp76.html
This is pretty much the equivalent to what MPEX does.

selling prefabbed tinfoil hats for bitcoins. address in signature.

Actually, those are all paid shills.

quite hilarious you bring up this bit about racism and then post a link to reddit like they're not full of racists, criminals, and pedophiles.

This post shocked me.  Then it saddened me.  Shocked me because I had assumed "mem's gambling list" was all but defunct.  Several posters have told mem that betsofbitco.in recently stole hundreds of thousands of dollars from some of their customers.  At least one provided a link.  Mem eventually showed up, apologized for being so busy lately that he can't keep the list up to date, then said he would need a link to see what this was all about (ignoring that a link had already been given).  I provided a link to the long thread in the Scam Accusation forum, but the thieves at betsofbitco.in are still listed on "mem's gambling list" as a reputable site.  Imagine my shock to learn that gambling sites CAN still be removed from the list.  The list is not in fact defunct.  Why SD should be removed is not at all clear to me, as there doesn't seem to be any reason or logic behind the decision, but it's indisputable that mem is still removing sites he considers somehow unworthy.

I am saddened to see that the thought police are out in force, and to be reminded once again that most people are such sheep.  I read through what was linked and did not see a single racist thought.  Strangely, I did see anti-racist opinions being expressed.  Racism refers to a belief that a "race" is genetically inferior/superior to another.  The blog linked explicitly stated that there is no reason to believe that any "race" (or fenotype) is genetically superior to any other.

If you want to say he is ethnocentric, or prejudiced, I could definitely understand that.  That would actually make sense.  He doesn't deny that he is elitist.  Somebody called him a "dick", which is fine.  If you wanted to claim he engages in discrimination, you might even be able to convince me.  But the blog post linked is explicitly anti-racist.

So why is he being labeled a "revolting racist"?  Well it's clearly an attempt to label and marginalize someone that the majority disagrees with.  Calling someone a "revolting ethnocentrist" just doesn't pack the same wallop.  I'm not ignorant of the fact that there is a widespread and ongoing attempt to redefine the precise meaning of the word "racism" to encompass all kinds of viewpoints found distasteful by the majority.  I see this as an excercise in intellectual dishonesty.  The smarter people involved must understand the completely unsubtle difference between "race" and culture, but they like to use the label RACIST anyway.

Look at the hysterical nature of these quotes (emphasis mine):













They've pulled out all the stops - hate speech, unacceptable in civilized society, psychopath/sociopath, KKK, Hitler, Nazis, hate groups, "kind of person", revolting racist.  Again, calling his viewpoints ethnocentric just wouldn't have the same power to marginalize.  They need the labels to do that, even if the labels have no basis in reality.  Take "psychopath" for example...  Let's pretend that there actually is something called a "psychopath", that "mental disorders" do not largely depend on the prevailing culture of the time and place these classifications are invented out of whole cloth...  Look at the current defition in the DSM.  What has this guy done that would lead you believe he is a "psychopath"?

Mem even goes so far as to threaten that the operator of SD will be "branded a racist" if he does not do exactly as he is told.  And that he will be "blacklisted" as a "supporter of a hate group".  He is not making any bones about the fact that he intends to libel and marginalize anyone who doesn't fall into line.  I am guessing I will get the same treatment.

This all reminds me of the sheep from Animal Farm.  They were too stupid to even understand the entire ideology so they were just taught the maxim "Four legs good, two legs bad".  Anytime an animal tried to disagree with the pigs in charge, they would get shouted down by a tremendous bleating of "FOUR LEGS GOOD, TWO LEGS BAD".  That's what I see here.



Please note:  Before you start with all the nonsense, I have never been an owner, investor, employee nor customer of SD or MPEx.  I don't know any of the people involved.  Sadly, I am not paid to post; though, being an elitist, I feel I should be.

Seems unreasonable IMHO.

Meh

+1 to the OP for making a noise about this.

Mircea has gone too far with that article, his expressed opinions are that of a sociopathic racist, and completely unacceptable in any kind of civilised society.

I personally completely support the OP's call for a boycott of MPEx.

I See the SDice paid for trolls are busy downvoting the hell out of every comment on reddit. 
I guess we have Eriks Answer.

Until SDice decided to use MPEx it was an insignificant little nothing run by an angry racist,  this is why I include SDice (that and they are their biggest customer).

Respectable businesses and Sponsors are known to drop clients, mascots and spokespersons when ugly shit like this rears its head, yet Erik is strangely quiet. 
MPEx did not suddenly become a revolting racist after SDice gave them their endorsement, they have been this way the entire time (read his other blog posts if you have the stomach).

Wow. Some random dude I don't know used the "n" word.

Wake me when he starts initiating violence against peaceful people.

Until then, I've got bigger fish to fry... like the state.

Moving on with my life now.

Well I still think you'd be better spending your time starting a campaign against MPEx over SD.   When you want to chop down a tree you don't start with the branches, you go for the trunk.

+1

This is the core issue here, bitcoins most well known business is run on top of a shitty bitcoin exchange operated by an outspoken racist. 
This is not the usual subtle brand of racism we are all used to, this guy takes time to write up long hate speeches justifying his way of thinking.

Erik either did not bother to do his due diligence when doing the IPO or has no problems with the racism MPEx promotes.

Well sure, but do you really want someone like this being associated with Bitcoin?   If it were just some random pyscho on the forums (of which there are of course many) that'd be ignorable, but if this guy runs MPEx (which I've not had any intention of using before now, so not much has changed for me) then that's a bigger issue.   Having some dick like this running a Bitcoin exchange should not be encouraged.

this is silly and the best way to 'punish' this guy for being so ridiculous is to not make a big deal about this at all. he didn't buy slaves, he's just using a racially charged word because he enjoys the fact that it makes people uncomfortable, probably because he has sociopathic tendencies or some superiority complex.

he's dumb. this is dumb. moving on.

Is the person who posted that article on these forums?   He sounds like an utter, utter, UTTER sociopath.  And I agree that, for now, it should be MPEx being (quite rightly so) run out of the community for this, not SatoshiDice.

No, Boycott every business that supports this asshole.


Yes, if Marsh Carter starts making blog posts akin to what a KKK member rants then yes.

edit: Henry Ford knew building engines for the nazi's in WW2 was treason yet he did it anyway, but he wasnt stupid enough to argue it with the US President when he explicitly asked him to stop building engines for Hitler. So no, I do not support boycotting the core, I support boycotting MPEx and every client it has.

Boycott MPEx then, not SD. Are you going to boycott all NYSE traded corporations if Marsh Carter said something retarded?

Just 1 of many foul blog posts by the owner and operator of MPEx - http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-nigger-homeowners-and-other-niggers/
SDice is their biggest client by far, is aware of these blog posts and goes to great lengths to defend them.
Erik defends the use of such as racial slurs like N***** in a derogatory fashion - I vehemently disagree.

This foul individual and his business are supported and defended SDice.  
MPEx and every business associated with it is a nasty stain on bitcoins reputation and I will have nothing todo with it.

Erik I encourage you to respond, please you stop doing business with that pimple on the ass of bitcoin.

Reddit Submission: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1czjxa/boycott_sdice_and_all_mpex_businesses_racism/

edit: Erik Voorhees passionately defends the use N***** for business assosciate company MPEx, Erik is (willfully ?) ignorant of the hurt and damage using a racial label in a negative connotation, especially this word in particular with its ugly history.