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I'll also expand on the boycott issue.  A friend came from India (he is an Indian citizen, he has his own business in Ukraine), he told me that in India they are actively demolishing mosques, and how can I put it so softly - they are severely limiting the rights of the bearers of the Muslim faith. Question - when will the Arab world declare a boycott of Indian products?  Or is this boycott a selective trend, and is connected only with the “party line” - whoever they order to boycott, they will boycott? .....

Actually I'm not a fan about boycott a product thing or anything that can directly hit other innocent people which is not involve on those chaos. Yeah they get something from those products produce by companies and release overseas, but that doesn't mean its good to boycott them since the one will get affected on this is those people who doesn't want any trouble and just want to survive by working on those companies.

If people have problem related to those matters maybe they should call out the government and criticized those actions made by the people who commit those mistakes. Since its not good to generalize everything and include everyone on the sin commit by few individuals.

The point of the thread and the key issue isn't much different than what you're talking about. The key issue is that some people pass off their selective primitive envy and bitterness as “active position” and “struggle”. And this is an example when Israel “for oppressing Muslims should be boycotted”, but if you start talking about China and India for similar - “we don't notice any problems”.... You see - here not a single “principled defender of the rights of brothers in faith” has said a single word, because he realizes that he has nothing to say, and they understand perfectly well that this is not a “struggle for rights”, but they are just someone set on a certain object, and they obediently and thoughtlessly perform this role Smiley
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I'll also expand on the boycott issue.  A friend came from India (he is an Indian citizen, he has his own business in Ukraine), he told me that in India they are actively demolishing mosques, and how can I put it so softly - they are severely limiting the rights of the bearers of the Muslim faith. Question - when will the Arab world declare a boycott of Indian products?  Or is this boycott a selective trend, and is connected only with the “party line” - whoever they order to boycott, they will boycott? .....

Actually I'm not a fan about boycott a product thing or anything that can directly hit other innocent people which is not involve on those chaos. Yeah they get something from those products produce by companies and release overseas, but that doesn't mean its good to boycott them since the one will get affected on this is those people who doesn't want any trouble and just want to survive by working on those companies.

If people have problem related to those matters maybe they should call out the government and criticized those actions made by the people who commit those mistakes. Since its not good to generalize everything and include everyone on the sin commit by few individuals.
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I'll also expand on the boycott issue.  A friend came from India (he is an Indian citizen, he has his own business in Ukraine), he told me that in India they are actively demolishing mosques, and how can I put it so softly - they are severely limiting the rights of the bearers of the Muslim faith. Question - when will the Arab world declare a boycott of Indian products?  Or is this boycott a selective trend, and is connected only with the “party line” - whoever they order to boycott, they will boycott? .....
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Attempts to “colonize” the countries of Africa and its nearest neighbors do not seem to have brought the expected results, well, or the scale of problems in the Chinese economy has reached enormous proportions. The way out is to increase the national debt....

“China is considering next week approving the issuance of more than 10 trillion yuan ($1.4 trillion) of additional debt over the next few years to revive its fragile economy, Reuters reports.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/reaction-reuters-report-chinas-stimulus-plans-2024-10-29/

YES, today the government debt is a kind of “balancer”, and according to official statements - it is not big (but you can't check it, as well as “positive indicators of Chinese economy”, and Chinese gold reserves). But Chinese companies have HUGE corporate debt, as well as huge debt of households.... The reason is banal - “building air castles”, and painful self-confidence and what is important, it is “China's friends” that China wanted to use at will, not all of whom turned out to be fools !
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Caution is always taken when dealing with the issues of china in  any part of the world today because china is like a wind blowing so it is really difficult to control the wind because china has used it population and it trading power in the international community especially giving of loans to countries to hold so many countries hostage so  their excesses can not be told to their face is like many countries are afraid of china
If the economic boycott to Chinese products are possible it will have so much impact on the Chinese economy and unfortunately I don't see that happening in the nearest future
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It will be very hard for the Arad world to boycott Chinese products because china has allot of influence on the international community
 The truth is what ever china is doing to it Muslim society everyone in the Arad world is seeing it but there's little or nothing that the Arad world can do
Because at the center of it everything is politics

I hear that in Africa, China is already the largest trading partner for many countries.

I don't know about the Middle East though. They are pretty rich on their own though so I wouldn't be surprised if their largest trades with China are oil (and natural gas perhaps) and if the imports are coming mostly from the West.

I am not sure what to make out of this situation.

Obviously for ideological reasons it is much easier for them to boycott Israel products.
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News about a potential boycott or urging a boycott of Chinese products by the Muslim world has been a recurrent discussion for many years now and springs up at different times for different reasons.

I personally do not think a full boycott sponsored by the state leaders us possible. Trade goes both ways; if a nation is heavily dependent on demand from a certain community, then that community is also heavily dependent on their supply. The process of switching suppliers for products at the quantity and price that is currently available is not an easy one at all.

Of course - because trade with China is profitable, and therefore you can give a damn about your co-religionists. Money does not smell, slogans can be forgotten. But it is not possible to make much money with Israel, and they do not sell them weapons and other prohibited goods, so slogans can be used here. Duplicity, lies, and far-fetched slogans - this is what reality looks like Smiley
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Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

1 and 2 : Not soon, why? , because most product nowadays are made of China.  They can produce cheaper products because of their cheaper labor and materials (though you cannot say about if the quality is the same with other manufacturers)
3. If ever there is really a boycott of Chinese products, then the demand of their goods will decrease and their economy will be affected.  However, as I said in #1 and #2, this is really not feasible as of the moment because many countries rely on the product of china, raw materials and labor-wise.
4.  Yes (given that it happens).  We will witness a trade war just like what US and China is doing right now.  I think the major impact that the arab nations to China is if they decided to prevent China from importing oil and gas from them.  Since Arab nations are the major exporter and source of oil and gas, then China will truly suffer if they will not be able to import any.

Yeah, I agree, all right, but....
The reason for this post was to find out if those who are calling for a boycott of Israeli products are really pure in their ideas to protect their Muslim brothers (this is the main reason among those mentioned), and to "punish Israel" for the current conflict, or is it purely political and personal interests ?
As we can see, the Muslim brothers are of course brothers, but ... China and money interest their leaders more and for the sake of profit and realization of their ambitions they easily forget about "Muslim brothers", if it becomes economically unprofitable Smiley

So you have shown - that the basis is financial interests and political relations, but not "love for your brother" Smiley
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I don't know, but me personally or at least some of my friends have boycotted Chinese products, or at least things that you find in groceries, like canned food. I practice reading the labels and seeing where in originated. It's not about the relationship of Chinese with us, although there is conflict regarding the Philippine West Sea that China is forcibly claiming against us. But it's how they package their food as there are news pre pandemic as videos of the Chinese factories circulated around and there are no sanitation whatsoever and it become a hot topic all over the world and so we no longer buy those kind of things and we are very careful about Chinese products.

If it becomes a matter of labeling, then I believe China and Chinese companies would then soon learn not to tag their products according the the origin of their merchandise. It would be enough to fool people who are just willing to check the packages and do it research any further about what they are buying anyways.
About sanitation and the conditions of work for people in China, I believe those would be enough motives for anyone to boycott Chinese products, without having to see further into geopolitical conflicts, in my opinion. Not long ago I saw a documentary film on how people in mainland China actually manages to counterfeit food, actual counterfeits, like fake eggs, fake meat dumplings and things alike.
If those are the things there are willing to allow to circulate in their own market for their own people to consume, one needs to wonder what shady Chinese companies would be willing to ship abroad for foreigners to buy and eat.

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It will be very hard for the Arad world to boycott Chinese products because china has allot of influence on the international community
 The truth is what ever china is doing to it Muslim society everyone in the Arad world is seeing it but there's little or nothing that the Arad world can do
Because at the center of it everything is politics
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I don't know, but me personally or at least some of my friends have boycotted Chinese products, or at least things that you find in groceries, like canned food. I practice reading the labels and seeing where in originated. It's not about the relationship of Chinese with us, although there is conflict regarding the Philippine West Sea that China is forcibly claiming against us. But it's how they package their food as there are news pre pandemic as videos of the Chinese factories circulated around and there are no sanitation whatsoever and it become a hot topic all over the world and so we no longer buy those kind of things and we are very careful about Chinese products.
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The way things are now it will be very difficult to boycott Chinese products by the Muslim world or any other continent because china is a force to contend with when it comes to international relations
There is no willingness on the part of the political leaders because they know that just as you have elders in your families china is an elder in the international stage , so it will be hard or nearly impossible for anyone to band Chinese made products
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I think some countries do that kind of boycotting stuff more than others, and some only do it in case of an active military conflict (or a war). The video only has Turkish subtitles, and I don't speak Turkish, so unfortunately I didn't get a thing of what he was talking about. I tried to find news articles to read about this in English, but couldn't. The only thing I assume I understand from the context of discussion is that it's a religious thing: China is aggressively atheist and is known for its mistreatment of Muslims (namely the Uyghurs) within the country. But that's been going on for a while now, for years. And since there has been no boycott about it so far, I don't think it'll change.
Are there any sources in English, so that we can actually see what's going on? I'm kind of surprised everyone's just being chill and sharing their opinions (do they all know Turkish, or did they just not even open the video?).
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And I don't know what will happen if you boycott the word, but if Bangladesh boycotts China's products, then Bangladesh may become immobile.  90% of the products of Bangladesh are shipped to Bangladesh by China and a lot goes to Bangladesh.  In that case, the people of Bangladesh use Chinese products more and they call them brothers at low prices, they have become their daily new necessary products.  There is no possibility of boycotting this Chinese product in Bangladesh because the people of Bangladesh are used to using these products.  And in the world market, China is doing well in many countries to know the products or in Pakistan or if you see.  China continues to rule the whole world because China's products are less and more.
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I used to trust Barack Obama a lot in his efforts to bring US companies back to the country. But it seems it had very limited success. So, yeah, it is indeed very hard.

A geo-economic reorganization as huge as this might take no less than a war for it to happen. The influence of China is so powerful now.

It would not take a war, actually, that kind of thing would destroy the same markets one would be trying to change for the better, you know. Also, whether we like Donald Trump or not, it seemed he was being relatively successful on bringing some companies back to the territory of the United States, specially from auto manufacturing facilities from Mexico and from Asia, you know. I also recall he started a commercial war with Chine by increasing the taxes of all products brought from that country, it was big news back in the day. He used tactics and techniques which no Democrat would have dared to use for the sake of nationalism and protectionism.
Some people would say Trump did not have any idea of what he was doing, because those products being produced in the country would have had been more experience for the average person (the salary in China is not the same in the United States for the same kind of workers), but he seemed not to care about it and just wanted more people to have a job.

Ironically, after all these years, Joe Biden managed to break records on low unemployment and you do not see him rambling about America First or about Chinese commercial wars in live TV. They are two different kinds of politicians, I guess.
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Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?
It will definitely affect Arab-Chinese relations if The Arabs really leaves them for another country. But if they won’t go elsewhere and depend on themselves, the Chinese government wouldn’t mind. Just my thoughts.


Chinese products could become cheaper and other nations will buy and sell them in rebranded forms at higher prices to the Arabs. This actually depends on whether a boycott is justified otherwise China wouldn't be affected that much.
I don’t think it’s that easy. The Arabs will definitely make sure that the country that will supply them isn’t importing from China. If it is, what then is the need of directly boycotting them when they are still connected and dependent on China.
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There is another problem here. In fact, the world has driven itself into a trap by engaging in self-hypnosis that if you really want to, you can build strong relationships with dubious regimes.
Over the past few years, we have seen the “results” of these “games” very well. For example, the monopolization of the EU energy sector (oil and gas) almost killed the industry of Germany and other countries. Why? Because they allowed themselves to be completely dependent on the regime, to whose antics they turned a blind eye since 2000.
It’s the same with China - in China they built a “world factory for the production of everything”, stopped supporting local economies and... now there is dependence on Chinese consumer goods! And the longer the resolution of this issue is postponed, the harder it will be for countries dependent on the “Chinese factory.” And China will do everything - from bribing authorities to terror, just so that the flow of its exports will dry up. Without exports, China simply degrades in a short period of time...

I'm afraid that at this point the dragon has already awakened. When I was young, that country has always been called the sleeping dragon. But the China of today isn't anymore solely dependent on cheap labor. Gone are the days when they could offer nothing but slaves. But they're not anymore just assembling products of companies from other countries now; they're selling their own products.

Today, the country is powerful and influential that other countries can't simply say no even if it's clear as day that China can't be trusted. I have always wondered why deals, huge deals, were made when they must have known that they're dealing with the devil.

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The approach Donald Trump took was to try to brings those companies and facilities back to the United States, but there is always the disadvantage of the prices for the final consumer in that kind of choice.
In short, it is possible but it would take a geo economical reorganization for several years.

I used to trust Barack Obama a lot in his efforts to bring US companies back to the country. But it seems it had very limited success. So, yeah, it is indeed very hard.

A geo-economic reorganization as huge as this might take no less than a war for it to happen. The influence of China is so powerful now.
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It’s unlikely that there will ever be a boycott of Chinese products & economic relations. China is such a huge manufacturer. It’s cheap to get them to make products & ship them all over the world so I don’t think it’s likely any time soon that there is a boycott of Chinese products & economic relations.
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That's not gonna happen and what Chinese government is doing to Uygur Muslims is worst than the plight of Palestinians

This is an incredibly mentally unhinged thing to say. Israel is mercilessly slaughtering civilians, an overwhelming majority being women and children. How many bombs and chemical weapons has China dropped on Uyghurs?

The reason Muslim countries don’t boycott China is because the Uyghur genocide is a debunked hoax propagated cynically by the same war mongers in Washington D.C. who lied about WMDs in Iraq, which led to an invasion that resulted in over a million Muslim deaths. It’s completely perverse for the US government to be feigning concern for Uyghurs in China when they are actively assisting Israel ethnically cleanse Palestine.
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Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

1 and 2 : Not soon, why? , because most product nowadays are made of China.  They can produce cheaper products because of their cheaper labor and materials (though you cannot say about if the quality is the same with other manufacturers)
3. If ever there is really a boycott of Chinese products, then the demand of their goods will decrease and their economy will be affected.  However, as I said in #1 and #2, this is really not feasible as of the moment because many countries rely on the product of china, raw materials and labor-wise.
4.  Yes (given that it happens).  We will witness a trade war just like what US and China is doing right now.  I think the major impact that the arab nations to China is if they decided to prevent China from importing oil and gas from them.  Since Arab nations are the major exporter and source of oil and gas, then China will truly suffer if they will not be able to import any.
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I don't think this will happen soon. And I don't think it is easy to avoid trades or products from China. As a joke would have it, god created the world and everything else is made in China.

I am a citizen of a country that is also at the receiving end of the red country's bullying. There are certain calls for boycotting of products imported from China, but as much as I wanted to participate in it, it simply isn't possible. You only have to look around in your house to realize that everything came from that country. Even inside your fridge, fruits and fish and other food are from China.

The top trading partner of Saudi Arabia is China. US only comes second and it only supplies half of what China is providing to the top Arab country. Further, the entire 21 MENA (Middle East and North Africa) countries have China as their top trading partner.

It is difficult, but it is not impossible.
The main reason why companies from all around the world like to do business in China is because the hugs capability China has to manufacture all they need and at very cheap prices, so companies can increase the profit margins, it would take a new competing market for companies to fin a new place to move their facilities to. Not long ago I read about India as one of those countries which a good chance to start competing in China in that matter, but I am not sure how much it could be an actual possibility, since both countries are active members of the BRICS and those inner disagreements and competitions could come in detriment of the relations those countries have with each other.

The approach Donald Trump took was to try to brings those companies and facilities back to the United States, but there is always the disadvantage of the prices for the final consumer in that kind of choice.
In short, it is possible but it would take a geo economical reorganization for several years.
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I don't think this will happen soon. And I don't think it is easy to avoid trades or products from China. As a joke would have it, god created the world and everything else is made in China.

I am a citizen of a country that is also at the receiving end of the red country's bullying. There are certain calls for boycotting of products imported from China, but as much as I wanted to participate in it, it simply isn't possible. You only have to look around in your house to realize that everything came from that country. Even inside your fridge, fruits and fish and other food are from China.

The top trading partner of Saudi Arabia is China. US only comes second and it only supplies half of what China is providing to the top Arab country. Further, the entire 21 MENA (Middle East and North Africa) countries have China as their top trading partner.

There is another problem here. In fact, the world has driven itself into a trap by engaging in self-hypnosis that if you really want to, you can build strong relationships with dubious regimes.
Over the past few years, we have seen the “results” of these “games” very well. For example, the monopolization of the EU energy sector (oil and gas) almost killed the industry of Germany and other countries. Why? Because they allowed themselves to be completely dependent on the regime, to whose antics they turned a blind eye since 2000.
It’s the same with China - in China they built a “world factory for the production of everything”, stopped supporting local economies and... now there is dependence on Chinese consumer goods! And the longer the resolution of this issue is postponed, the harder it will be for countries dependent on the “Chinese factory.” And China will do everything - from bribing authorities to terror, just so that the flow of its exports will dry up. Without exports, China simply degrades in a short period of time...
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I don't think this will happen soon. And I don't think it is easy to avoid trades or products from China. As a joke would have it, god created the world and everything else is made in China.

I am a citizen of a country that is also at the receiving end of the red country's bullying. There are certain calls for boycotting of products imported from China, but as much as I wanted to participate in it, it simply isn't possible. You only have to look around in your house to realize that everything came from that country. Even inside your fridge, fruits and fish and other food are from China.

The top trading partner of Saudi Arabia is China. US only comes second and it only supplies half of what China is providing to the top Arab country. Further, the entire 21 MENA (Middle East and North Africa) countries have China as their top trading partner.
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It's hard to imagine that there will be boycotting of products from China, too many companies, tech and not are relying on their cheap labor and manufacturing there and not just that, their actual products are cheaper than the rest. It's going to take time until a strong nation will declare that they're wholly boycotting everything from China. Right now, they're showing that they're showing through bullying the others and as well as providing debt trap to smaller and developing countries and with their scattered devices and products that can locate people on each country, it's just so hard to stop them with that.
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Amazon is so full of Chinese products because too many people do dropshipping and too many chinese products are extremely cheap. They buy things from aliexpress in bulk quantity, then ship them in Amazon warehouse or in their own warehouse and then the product that wrths $1, is sold at $15 on Amazon.com. You can't imagine how much money you might pay for something that actually worth some bucks. If you found something beautiful on amazon, you better look for it on aliexpress and buy yourself from China.

That's it ! And in fact, everyone, everyone “worried about suffering Muslims,” doesn’t care about the fact that China persecutes Muslims, violates their rights... “Money doesn’t smell”, and how sad it is - but behind all these “boycotts” there are very specific people who resolve their financial or political issues. And those for whom they supposedly “care” are simply a tool for achieving selfish goals...
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Amazon is so full of Chinese products because too many people do dropshipping and too many chinese products are extremely cheap. They buy things from aliexpress in bulk quantity, then ship them in Amazon warehouse or in their own warehouse and then the product that wrths $1, is sold at $15 on Amazon.com. You can't imagine how much money you might pay for something that actually worth some bucks. If you found something beautiful on amazon, you better look for it on aliexpress and buy yourself from China.
Maybe not completely, as you can see there are still people like the OP who are concerned of it and might have done boycotting China for real. It's just their numbers were maybe low and that makes you think the topic is ignored for a very long time now. Apart from lacking of knowledge another reason on why some ignores it is because they find it uninteresting or nonsense because they are still benefiting continuously on Chinese products.

Amazon must be a U.S based store, so I'm kinda surprised if most of its items are Chinese products but how much more those stores like Alibaba and the likes where origin is from Asia? Resellers can increase their price because there are still shipping and other fees but some listings can still be cheaper than the other. We only need to keep on looking.
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To all those who have expressed their opinions - thank you very much !
But as I suspected, the so-called "boycott of Israeli products" is not really related to the reaction of the Muslim world, but has a targeted idea, only against one state. Those calling for a boycott of Israeli products don't really care about their brothers in faith, they just need an excuse to launch another hysteria. This is a call against Israel, not for the rights of Muslims and their treatment in different countries.... Pretty much as I suspected.

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I don't think it is even possible to avoid anything that originates from China for any country in the world because they are the manufacturers of everything and they prepared the infrastructure for decades to be that level. China is not having McDonald's or Star Bucks that everyone can afford to boycott and continue running their daily life with no effect but its not the same with Chinese products.
Totally agree, the best thing isn't to boycott them by not buying because as you've said, their products are too numerous to be avoided, the best thing actually and proven to be effective is that to limit or boycott through not selling to them machineries that's needed to build the products, maybe even the pivotal piece in a machinery or even the technology altogether, China is trying get the technology to create the transistors that US and Taiwan have and they're so bent on trying to get that that Taiwan is allegedly having a plan to destroy the main chip factory in case of an invasion by China.

China is too big to get affected and they make every move tactically not just due to a burst out of anger and I don't know what kind of machineries are needed for them but as far as I know they are capable of building anything and do that is short time as well so if any country avoid trades with China may face the results over time.
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That's not gonna happen and what Chinese government is doing to Uygur Muslims is worst than the plight of Palestinians and the Palestinian's issue is raised due to the significance of holy mosques of Al Aqsa and the Islamic past associated with this holy land wherein muslim leaders don't have balls to stand up to china and they cannot survive without Chinese products hence no way they can boycott Chinese products.
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OP, this topic has been ignored for many decades because of lack of knowledge. It's too hard to boycott China these days because we rarely have alternatives of products that are massively produced by China. Boycott will only work if western companies move factories in other countries and things won't be totally centralized in China.


But this is about a boycott on China, right?  That I do have an opinion on; Muslims in certain countries might be able to do that easily enough--and personally I'd love to do a one-man China boycott myself--but when I look at 80-90% of products available on Amazon, what I see are cheap Chinese imitations of better-made stuff, which you can usually identify pretty easily by their bizarre brand names like KAIWEETS, BOENFU, SPEEDWOX, COOFANDY, etc.  Chinese knockoffs have started dominating every single category of items on Amazon that shopping there has just turned into a frustrating, hit-or-miss experience.  And that's just one website; shit from China is ubiquitous, so it's really, really hard to carry out a boycott on a country whose primary export seems to be low-cost lookalike goods sold in every imaginable place.
Amazon is so full of Chinese products because too many people do dropshipping and too many chinese products are extremely cheap. They buy things from aliexpress in bulk quantity, then ship them in Amazon warehouse or in their own warehouse and then the product that wrths $1, is sold at $15 on Amazon.com. You can't imagine how much money you might pay for something that actually worth some bucks. If you found something beautiful on amazon, you better look for it on aliexpress and buy yourself from China.
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The boycott session was only for a moment, even though it happened,  in my opinion, because if people are comfortable with the products they use, they will definitely come back. For example, yesterday we called for a boycott of products that support Israel, in fact now people have returned to using these products.
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We all understand perfectly well that calls for "defense of Muslims", "boycott Israel" are just a cheap propaganda ploy. And these propagandists don't really care about real suffering Muslims - like what is really happening to millions of Muslims, for many decades in China.
I'm more or less apolitical and don't really keep up on world affairs (I don't even pay attention to local affairs, so that should tell you something about my apathy), so I'm ignorant about what you're referring to regarding Muslims and China.  I am curious, though.  Not trying to come off as lazy, but I don't trust search engines to give relevant results anymore--do you happen to have any links that might educate me?

But this is about a boycott on China, right?  That I do have an opinion on; Muslims in certain countries might be able to do that easily enough--and personally I'd love to do a one-man China boycott myself--but when I look at 80-90% of products available on Amazon, what I see are cheap Chinese imitations of better-made stuff, which you can usually identify pretty easily by their bizarre brand names like KAIWEETS, BOENFU, SPEEDWOX, COOFANDY, etc.  Chinese knockoffs have started dominating every single category of items on Amazon that shopping there has just turned into a frustrating, hit-or-miss experience.  And that's just one website; shit from China is ubiquitous, so it's really, really hard to carry out a boycott on a country whose primary export seems to be low-cost lookalike goods sold in every imaginable place.
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I don't think it is even possible to avoid anything that originates from China for any country in the world because they are the manufacturers of everything and they prepared the infrastructure for decades to be that level. China is not having McDonald's or Star Bucks that everyone can afford to boycott and continue running their daily life with no effect but its not the same with Chinese products.
Totally agree, the best thing isn't to boycott them by not buying because as you've said, their products are too numerous to be avoided, the best thing actually and proven to be effective is that to limit or boycott through not selling to them machineries that's needed to build the products, maybe even the pivotal piece in a machinery or even the technology altogether, China is trying get the technology to create the transistors that US and Taiwan have and they're so bent on trying to get that that Taiwan is allegedly having a plan to destroy the main chip factory in case of an invasion by China.
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I will be honest. I was not completely aware of the abuse the Muslim people were suffering by the government of China, I knew they were specially brutal against the monks from Tibet and those who claimed for the emancipation of the territory, but this is news to me.
Anyways, I am a person who believes in boycott as a tool to peacefully protest the injustice of big players like China, and applying a boycott in these times when their economy is losing steam could indeed send a powerful statement in the name of the Muslim people around the world.

However, one should not underestimate the important of China in the manufacturing market, many things we use and purchase in our cotidianity are made there and before applying a boycott that is supposed to be kept in mind by the leaders of the Arab World. It would be more organic, if there was people of those countries who decided to boycott by their own those products, by the way, with our direct political intervention of the state, if Chinese products start to sell way less in the Arab World and the government of those countries did not issue a political reason for the people to protest in that way, then the Arabic World Leaders could easily tell it is a matter of offer and demand (the free market) and hence the importations from China will be cut.

There is a way to have your cake and eat it too, to keep good enough relations with China and still boycott, but commitment from people of those countries is needed if they want to support their foreign brothers and sisters of faith.

Just my opinion. 🙃
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Chinese products could become cheaper and other nations will buy and sell them in rebranded forms at higher prices to the Arabs. This actually depends on whether a boycott is justified otherwise China wouldn't be affected that much.

Of course, Chinese manufacturers, in case of a total boycott of the Islamic world, will be forced to reduce prices and rebrand or conceal the origin of their goods. And, of course, this will be profited by the layers that will pass off forbidden goods as authorized ones.
But that's not the point here. The main question was why, with regard to Israel, some hyperactive loudmouths call for a boycott and anathema, while against China they cowardly keep silent, although the scale of the tragedy of the Muslim population in China far exceeds the scale and duration of Israel's retaliatory, and very harsh, operation in response to a massive terrorist attack.
Duplicity and cowardice, and a complete lack of real concern for their brothers in faith - this is the reason.... While very easily could have hit the Chinese economy hard !
I don't believe in boycotts. When the government announces a boycott, a dark marketplace is always created that increases the prices of the boycotted product. To be fair, I don't understand how someone can boycott Chinese products when China produces almost everything for the world. Smartphones are a basic example, is there any country where good smartphones, like Apple's iPhone, Samsung, Sony, Xiaomi and etc, all are made in China. They can't say no to these smartphones because they don't have a good alternative.
I don't say that price will be the problem, Arab world is super rich and can pay millions of dollars for nothing but simply, the alternative doesn't exist that changes products that are made in China. They can probably buy TVs that are made in Taiwan and that's all.
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Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

The countries of the Arab world, after such statements, are obliged to begin a boycott of Chinese products, Chinese politicians and China in general, as they did in relation to products from Israel. The only option for influence is economic global measures as a response to the decades-long terror of the Muslim population of China.

I am sure that if calls for a boycott of Israeli products are not a product of propaganda, but a real concern for their fellow believers, a boycott of China will take place, and what is important - a strong economic impact!

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

not sure why you are referencing the video, to then get triggered..
the video is saying what america, europe say:
"if you come to US/EU(or china) learn the language, learn the laws and culture and learn a skill to work"
"if you come with a radical mindset trying to change/affect others to cause harm or make them mentally ill too, expect consequences"
basically if your a radical, expect radical consequence
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I don't think China has ever done anything nearly similar as what Israel is currently doing to any countries, but besides all that politic. I think it's easy to boycott Israel products or products that is supporting Israel because there isn't many products in that category compared to product that is related to Chinese. And the products that is related to Israel is a tertiary product that has many cheaper alternative with similar or even better quality. While with Chinese product, there are millions or even billions of product that is definitely a Chinese brand or related to Chinese, and they have an good price with fairly okay quality, it's hard to find the alternative especially for people in the 3rd world country with less money.
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I am assuming that while "west" relies on China as essential part of supply line, they have been at least considering diversifying their sources for a while now. When China has a power to hurt the global supply line, it has an upper hand in many ways. But while china is a cheap source, it's not irreplaceable as a source. While boycott would have devastating effects, and prices would surely rise for a moment and there would be panic of shortage of some supplies... Even then, it wouldn't last forever, and eventually that production of several key parts would be done locally or elsewhere, plus it could also create jobs and spark the economy when all that money wouldn't be flowing elsewhere.

I am all for the idea of global trade, as it's benefiting everyone, and can even keep the peace, when nations need each other, but it's very essential to keep these participating regions stable. And that's hard to do. When labeling factory for certain medicine boxes exist in a volatile and fragile region, and that factory happens to burn. It stops the whole supply line and causes a shortage in that medication. Imagine more of these happening to basic services everywhere. This is one of the reasons we like to help different regions to be stable. We are not helping them just because goodness of our hearts.

Moving production of all the parts for local production might secure the supply line, but that isn't cheap and requires ton of new expensive experts from different fields. So i am glad i am not making decisions on this, as global trade economics are complex as hell, but boycotting might be only way to force nations to care about human rights for example.
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You can't boycott Chinese products, bro, because now it has become known in every country of the world, Chinese products are abundant.  Candidates in your product are all made by Chinese, a product bought by a Chinese person has spread meaning all over the world.  And besides, almost every line in the middle of the world or our Bangladesh vs. Bangladesh is percent product Chinese.  Moreover, Chinese production you can use anything. Currently everything from medical sector to education is controlled by Chinese products.  Now many big projects are real by the Chinese in Bangladesh.
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I don't think it is even possible to avoid anything that originates from China for any country in the world because they are the manufacturers of everything and they prepared the infrastructure for decades to be that level. China is not having McDonald's or Star Bucks that everyone can afford to boycott and continue running their daily life with no effect but its not the same with Chinese products.
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There could be smaller protest but I don't think there would be a large scale boycott or something about this.
Unlike the Israeli and the US who kidnaps and kills just because of being muslim, China is just calling the extremist sick.
There are studies that shown a decrease in domestic violence, crimes in general and number of child marriage and an increase in average income and prosperity of Ughyurs after the re-education and vocational trainings.
Muslims in China unlike the what western propaganda preaches has the freedom to go to the mosque and follow their religion.

Is this according to you "China is just calling extremists sick" !?!?

The Uyghur genocide (Uyg. ئۇيغۇر قىرغىنچىلىقى) is a series of human rights violations carried out by the Chinese government against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. These actions have been characterized as forced assimilation of Xinjiang and ethnocide or cultural genocide.
Since 2014, the Chinese government has implemented a policy that has resulted in the summary imprisonment of more than one million Chinese Muslims (most of them Uyghurs) in so-called "re-education camps" without trial. This is the largest mass incarceration of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.
Thousands of mosques have been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools. Anti-Uyghur measures also include forced labor, suppression of traditional religious practices, ideological treatment, abuse, forced sterilization and contraception, and forced abortions.

According to Chinese government statistics, the birth rate in the predominantly Uighur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60 percent between 2015 and 2018. Over the same period, the birth rate in the country as a whole fell by 9.69%. Chinese authorities acknowledged that Xinjiang's birth rate fell by nearly a third in 2018, but denied reports of forced sterilization and genocide. In 2019, Xinjiang's birth rate fell another 24% with a nationwide decline of 4.2%.

It seems this issue is going a bit too far, I understand what you mentioned and actually I feel the injustice of the government's repression of the people, but any national government exists support/opposition issues. And the boycott of China, I think will belong to the opposing factions who do not like China is expansion and development, but cannot deny the impact on the economy in general.

I don't hate them and don't want to boycott them, even though I live quite close to this country and have also spent time living like a native in China, I simply cannot please them all crowd. In recent years, I have seen quite a lot of conflicts with China, but as a strategy, the country I live in also has a policy of economic linkage with China as well as being quite open with them.

Looking at the Arab issue, I do not understand exactly whether it is all of it or just some groups of people protesting and directing information, as I have expressed the existence of both support/opposition.
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News about a potential boycott or urging a boycott of Chinese products by the Muslim world has been a recurrent discussion for many years now and springs up at different times for different reasons.

I personally do not think a full boycott sponsored by the state leaders us possible. Trade goes both ways; if a nation is heavily dependent on demand from a certain community, then that community is also heavily dependent on their supply. The process of switching suppliers for products at the quantity and price that is currently available is not an easy one at all.
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There could be smaller protest but I don't think there would be a large scale boycott or something about this.
Unlike the Israeli and the US who kidnaps and kills just because of being muslim, China is just calling the extremist sick.
There are studies that shown a decrease in domestic violence, crimes in general and number of child marriage and an increase in average income and prosperity of Ughyurs after the re-education and vocational trainings.
Muslims in China unlike the what western propaganda preaches has the freedom to go to the mosque and follow their religion.

Is this according to you "China is just calling extremists sick" !?!?

The Uyghur genocide (Uyg. ئۇيغۇر قىرغىنچىلىقى) is a series of human rights violations carried out by the Chinese government against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. These actions have been characterized as forced assimilation of Xinjiang and ethnocide or cultural genocide.
Since 2014, the Chinese government has implemented a policy that has resulted in the summary imprisonment of more than one million Chinese Muslims (most of them Uyghurs) in so-called "re-education camps" without trial. This is the largest mass incarceration of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.
Thousands of mosques have been destroyed or damaged, and hundreds of thousands of children have been forcibly separated from their parents and sent to boarding schools. Anti-Uyghur measures also include forced labor, suppression of traditional religious practices, ideological treatment, abuse, forced sterilization and contraception, and forced abortions.

According to Chinese government statistics, the birth rate in the predominantly Uighur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60 percent between 2015 and 2018. Over the same period, the birth rate in the country as a whole fell by 9.69%. Chinese authorities acknowledged that Xinjiang's birth rate fell by nearly a third in 2018, but denied reports of forced sterilization and genocide. In 2019, Xinjiang's birth rate fell another 24% with a nationwide decline of 4.2%.
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There could be smaller protest but I don't think there would be a large scale boycott or something about this.
Unlike the Israeli and the US who kidnaps and kills just because of being muslim, China is just calling the extremist sick.
There are studies that shown a decrease in domestic violence, crimes in general and number of child marriage and an increase in average income and prosperity of Ughyurs after the re-education and vocational trainings.
Muslims in China unlike the what western propaganda preaches has the freedom to go to the mosque and follow their religion.
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It is quite difficult to boycott Chinese products, even though in terms of product quality, the products produced by this bamboo curtain country are considered very low when compared to products produced in the west. However, when talking about product prices, China offers very cheap prices, so this becomes an attraction for a country or society to continue using products produced by China. And quite a few countries in the Middle East are very dependent on China for the global supply chain. And when a country in the Middle East starts a trade war with China, this will not only have an impact on the Chinese economy, but the domestic economy will also be affected. China has succeeded in exerting its influence on a number of countries in the Middle East, so perhaps an Arab country will think twice about boycotting Chinese products.
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China's economy is totally dependent on their exports. The countries that China exports the most products to are Middle Eastern countries and Arab countries. If for some reason Arab countries start boycotting Chinese products and stop import and export relations with China, China's economy will be in serious trouble. Many Chinese workers work in the Middle East countries and many multinational companies do business in these countries. If diplomatic relations deteriorate, Chinese workers will stop working and multinational companies that were working in these countries will also have to leave. Now it is to be seen how long the Arab countries will continue their boycott campaign.
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Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

1. I do not think this is possible given China’s dominance of the global economy in various sectors. There are vital sectors that China monopolizes, making it difficult to boycott them or even enter into a confrontation with them.
2. This topic is being ignored for the same reasons I mentioned in answer to the first question. If it is possible to study the possibility of boycotting China for the reasons you mentioned, then many other countries should be boycotted for the same reasons as the United States.
3. This will certainly have a negative impact on the Chinese economy, but I believe that the impact will be more negative for those countries that will not easily find someone to compensate them for Chinese products in terms of price and quality.
4. It can be said that the position of the Arab countries in the global economy is imbalanced because the Chinese economy is superior to all of them combined. Of all the Arab countries that have economic relations (trade exchanges, investment...) there are only two or three countries with a strong economy. In any case, they cannot confront China.
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China is a global power politically, militarily and economically, and its economy will not be affected by banning its products and severing relations with it.
I have a question
Who is now building infrastructure in African countries?
Of course, the ones who build hospitals, roads, dams and all huge projects are Chinese companies, not other great countries.
China does not interfere in what does not concern it and does not interfere in the affairs of other countries
China has mens who are determined to develop its economy and make it one of the finest countries, no matter how great the harassment and the Cold War mentality that still exists until now, and in fact they do not care about anyone.
They have their own mentality their own opinion in relations and I respect them.

Misconception... China's economy is export-oriented. And it is not even resources or technology, but "consumer goods". Which can be produced by other countries as well. Therefore, China's economy is critically dependent on exports. The domestic market is oversaturated and suffers from overproduction, which means: lack of sales = stoppage of production = stoppage of related industries = unemployment = huge increase in the burden on the budget, which already has a lot of problems.
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The countries of the Arab world have quite good bilateral relations with the United States so they strongly recommend boycotting Chinese products, I think this is only in the economic interests of the United States to invite their allied countries to boycott all Chinese products. During the qualities of China product is not really bad and they give us offer with lower or cheapest values than usually other countries product. I think there are political interests or business competition between China and America that are creating a feud to boycott all Chinese products.

During China product have good qualities and offering us cheapest values I don't think problem for boycotting all China product, don't heard with any exclamation from United State and The countries of Arab for boycotting all China product, I think the same did by United State for all countries competitor because ever ask to the Union of Europe for boycotting Russia product before.
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China is a global power politically, militarily and economically, and its economy will not be affected by banning its products and severing relations with it.
I have a question
Who is now building infrastructure in African countries?
Of course, the ones who build hospitals, roads, dams and all huge projects are Chinese companies, not other great countries.
China does not interfere in what does not concern it and does not interfere in the affairs of other countries
China has mens who are determined to develop its economy and make it one of the finest countries, no matter how great the harassment and the Cold War mentality that still exists until now, and in fact they do not care about anyone.
They have their own mentality their own opinion in relations and I respect them.
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It's tough to predict when the Arab world might economically boycott China. This topic might have been off the radar due to complex international relations and economic ties. If a boycott happens, it could shake up China's economy, making them rethink policies. This could strain relations between Arab countries and China, impacting both economics and diplomacy. How things play out will depend on diplomatic efforts and the unfolding situation. Hoping the worst would not happen for the people
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Chinese products could become cheaper and other nations will buy and sell them in rebranded forms at higher prices to the Arabs. This actually depends on whether a boycott is justified otherwise China wouldn't be affected that much.

Of course, Chinese manufacturers, in case of a total boycott of the Islamic world, will be forced to reduce prices and rebrand or conceal the origin of their goods. And, of course, this will be profited by the layers that will pass off forbidden goods as authorized ones.
But that's not the point here. The main question was why, with regard to Israel, some hyperactive loudmouths call for a boycott and anathema, while against China they cowardly keep silent, although the scale of the tragedy of the Muslim population in China far exceeds the scale and duration of Israel's retaliatory, and very harsh, operation in response to a massive terrorist attack.
Duplicity and cowardice, and a complete lack of real concern for their brothers in faith - this is the reason.... While very easily could have hit the Chinese economy hard !
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Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

The countries of the Arab world, after such statements, are obliged to begin a boycott of Chinese products, Chinese politicians and China in general, as they did in relation to products from Israel. The only option for influence is economic global measures as a response to the decades-long terror of the Muslim population of China.

I am sure that if calls for a boycott of Israeli products are not a product of propaganda, but a real concern for their fellow believers, a boycott of China will take place, and what is important - a strong economic impact!

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?

    Here in our country, there are many Chinese products used by my fellow countrymen. And most of our citizens here, when it comes to Chinese products, it's only low class. And something I also believe in. Most of the Chinese products are really low quality.

    If that's the case, I don't want Chinese brands as much as possible, although we still have other items here that we cannot avoid using Chinese brands. The only thing I don't like about Chinese brands are mobile phone devices; I really don't like those other products that are used or mixed with food. Just saying that someone is experienced.
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Chinese products could become cheaper and other nations will buy and sell them in rebranded forms at higher prices to the Arabs. This actually depends on whether a boycott is justified otherwise China wouldn't be affected that much.

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I don't expect to hear any answers here Smiley

We all understand perfectly well that calls for "defense of Muslims", "boycott Israel" are just a cheap propaganda ploy. And these propagandists don't really care about real suffering Muslims - like what is really happening to millions of Muslims, for many decades in China. The propaganda is only interested in Muslims who suffer at the hands of "the one who is usually blamed for all the troubles" in order to continue to receive funding, power, the ability to commit crimes with impunity, or rather to cover up the suffering of some group of people....


But I will leave the topic open for a couple more days, let's see if anyone, from the supporters of the "boycott of Israel", will have the courage and honor to talk about the "boycott of China" .....
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Yesterday I listened to the speech of the representative of China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_om03YUnbNQ

The countries of the Arab world, after such statements, are obliged to begin a boycott of Chinese products, Chinese politicians and China in general, as they did in relation to products from Israel. The only option for influence is economic global measures as a response to the decades-long terror of the Muslim population of China.

I am sure that if calls for a boycott of Israeli products are not a product of propaganda, but a real concern for their fellow believers, a boycott of China will take place, and what is important - a strong economic impact!

Actually a few questions:
1. In your opinion, when can we expect an economic boycott of China by the Arab world?
2. Why has this topic been ignored for many decades?
3. What could be the result of the boycott and what impact could it have on the Chinese economy if the Muslim world takes the path of economic pressure on China?
4. Could this lead to disruption of Arab-Chinese relations in the global economy?
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