Most people are with Bolsonaro and hope he will be a good president after a long age of shadows and misfortune.
Like Trump, almost the whole mainstream media is against him, the artistic class, the traditional politicians and of course, the organized crime (maybe they could be compared to terrorists in Trump's case). These people speak too loud and it makes they look bigger and more influent than they really are. Actually they are nothing and are demoralized. The population doesn't do what they want anymore.
And although there is officially a difference of 10 millions of votes between Bolsonaro and his rival, plus a large amount of null and abstention votes, there are serious suspicions the electronic electoral system is rigged and the difference of votes at Bolsonaro's favor can be higher! But the authorities wanted to create an environment of "polarization", so the workers party and their socialists/communists can start 2019 stronger to make opposition to the new government.
They will do the possible to disturb Bolsonaro's government, with the help of media, their artists and opportunist politicians.
But there is much to be done, and Bolsonaro can not fail!
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To investment maybe bolsonaro is a good oportunity as Temer was (stock market had crazy winnings on Temer, oposed to many social declines). I believe Bolsonaro might be more of the same (in that point of view)
Brazil's big problem today is that it urgently needs federal reforms. We have a very bad welfare system that is leaving the country broken and without investment capacity.
Temer tried to carry out a reform of the pension system but failed. The expectation is that Bolsonaro can. Today, a considerable number of Brazilians retire at the age of 50. Another large part retires without having contributed anything. And most public servants receive high wages after retirement.
Another expected reform is in the tax system. Brazilian taxes are very difficult to understand and expensive. It pays several types of contribution and everything goes to the federal government. The expectation is that he will carry out a reform by simplifying this system.
The Workers Party has made few reforms. None that has caused great financial impact. They tried to avoid to the maximum reforms that could bring rejection. With this, the country was economically locked, and today it is in serious crisis. Astronomical number of unemployed that exceeds 15 million. Low population saving index and high crime rate.
To investment maybe bolsonaro is a good oportunity as Temer was (stock market had crazy winnings on Temer, oposed to many social declines). I believe Bolsonaro might be more of the same (in that point of view)
Trump's Tweet showing support for the future president, it seems that Brazil is starting to get out of limbo.
And our biggest bet is Paulo Guedes, the future minister of the farm. That follows the footsteps of the Austrians. The most we have ever had near this were farm ministers who actually bought farms with the money of Brazilians.
And our biggest bet is Paulo Guedes, the future minister of the farm. That follows the footsteps of the Austrians. The most we have ever had near this were farm ministers who actually bought farms with the money of Brazilians.
Serious question, do people in Brazil think Trump is Facist? Is it a small number of people that think this or is it a wide spread belief/assumption?
In Brazil, the biggest media players are all associated with the liberal media worldwide. Our biggest journals (like Globo, Epoca, Estadao, Folha de Sao Paulo) are basically all the same and they use as reference:
-The New York Times
-The Guardian
-The Economist (The Communist, as we call here in Brazil, because they support Lula)
And so on.... nobody says anything about FoxNews for example.
So yes, the media here in Brazil call Trump a fascist.
However, the social networks like Facebook, Tweeter, etc, are allowing us to have access to different point of views. So I believe Trump is not that unpopular here. Most of the people who voted for Bolsonaro view Trump as an "American Bolsonaro".
I believe that now Brazil will get closer to US, as both presidents now have a similar personality and objectives (both are nationalists and against globalism)
Brazil’s reputation in the West is abysmal. A huge landmass with massive natural resources, urban population centres with incredible potential and pristine beaches for the tourist industry. Remember, Brazil was the B in the ‘Brics’. However the media couldn’t stop making fun of Brazil’s inefficiency during the olympics and the recent prison riots replete with reports of ISIS style beheadings making Brazil seem out of control. If Brazil is to demilitarise its favelas and allow the cities to grow it may take a leader like Bolsonaro. Unfortunately though seems that he’s going to be a terrible custodian of the rainforest and all of the ecological ramifications that privatising giant swaths of it will have. Hopefully he’s in power long enough to clean up the cities, but not to destroy Brazil’s natural resources through unimpeded mining.
I could refute these arguments, since many of these sentences were taken from context, therefore, with intent precisely on catching people who do not know the general context. <Apparently you're one of them> of the subjects, and many of these phrases are some of the cliché phrases that Brazilian socialists used to create a scarecrow from the Bolsonaro and hit him. I'll cite some examples for you to understand what I'm talking about, but first, don't think I'm here defending Bolsonaro, I'm just clarifying facts for the correct understanding of how things are.
As soon as you hear this, you think, ours how someone would do something like that, a monster, no? But he was in an interview, and she called him a rapist implicitly, obviously an unfounded accusation without fundamentals, just by provocation, so he who does not measure his words too, fought back provoking also and said that she was too ugly to rape herself. And she bounces and says ' ' I hope not, for I give you a slap ' ' and soon after he answered ' ' gives I give you another ' ' and calls her a slut, yes slut, and right after receiving this offense, she goes into shock and finds it an absurd , but first, calling someone a rapist would be normal. The two sides are wrong, my point is: see how you only compose a small piece of the occurred that only benefits only one side? Here's the complete video of what happened, to get your doubts
Phrase to put afraid:
Phrase to put afraid:
Don't you see how it looks like partisan? being reproduced by people? More propaganda you're replaying.
Here for example what he meant was: we cannot treat her case as an exceptionally urgent case and continue treating the rest of the population who also dies, as if it were a statistical number, that is, we have to investigate everyone in the same way.
But out of context, we already know that this is not going to work
Again, let us look at where the argument is found, in 1999, of one thing that he has already stated nowadays that he no longer thinks, again, another thing that does not contemplate reality. So I'm going to stop here and when you criticize someone, try to at least differentiate what is propaganda from a Party to denigrate the other, and what is fact.
Comparing someone to Hitler today, without even measuring on a sensible scale, is something worthy of political propaganda of opposition parties to shock the public.
Right at the beginning of the post I warned that I do not put any politician on pedestal, so I have several criticisms about the person Jair Bolsonaro, but all the criticisms that I have, are well grounded and do not diverge from reality, so if you are to criticize someone without Even know what you're talking about, do a research. I assure you that you will return with much more compelling arguments than these cliché phrases created to frighten some sheep.
And it is in this kind of thing that I focused on the topic, because it is in fact what interests the forum. of the population and corruption.>
As soon as you hear this, you think, ours how someone would do something like that, a monster, no? But he was in an interview, and she called him a rapist implicitly, obviously an unfounded accusation without fundamentals, just by provocation, so he who does not measure his words too, fought back provoking also and said that she was too ugly to rape herself. And she bounces and says ' ' I hope not, for I give you a slap ' ' and soon after he answered ' ' gives I give you another ' ' and calls her a slut, yes slut, and right after receiving this offense, she goes into shock and finds it an absurd , but first, calling someone a rapist would be normal. The two sides are wrong, my point is: see how you only compose a small piece of the occurred that only benefits only one side? Here's the complete video of what happened, to get your doubts
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Bolsonaro once told a fellow lawmaker that she was too ugly to rape.
Phrase to put afraid:
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He has promised to stock his cabinet with military officers.
Reality: Yes, he appointed a few military personnel, but in areas he thinks they are able to cope and has experience, something similar to the intervention in Rio de Janeiro, where whoever took over the post were military and internally the service was of total bankruptcy, for something reasonably sustainable.Phrase to put afraid:
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further militarize Brazilian society and bring even more violence to Brazil
Reality: He wants to release the possession of weapons, and socialists as they can only let the state have weapons to kill you and you be defenseless, so absurd. OBS: So you Americans who have the possession of legal weapons, must be a complete chaos, like the Old West, LOL.Don't you see how it looks like partisan? being reproduced by people? More propaganda you're replaying.
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During a campaign stop last week, he called for gunning down members of the PT, as the Workers’ Party is known.
Here for example what he meant was: we cannot treat her case as an exceptionally urgent case and continue treating the rest of the population who also dies, as if it were a statistical number, that is, we have to investigate everyone in the same way.
But out of context, we already know that this is not going to work
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Bolsonaro excused the death of Marielle Franco, the black, queer Rio de Janeiro city councilwoman who was assassinated in March, as “just another death in Rio de Janeiro.
Again, let us look at where the argument is found, in 1999, of one thing that he has already stated nowadays that he no longer thinks, again, another thing that does not contemplate reality. So I'm going to stop here and when you criticize someone, try to at least differentiate what is propaganda from a Party to denigrate the other, and what is fact.
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In 1999, he said that the dictatorship “should have shot some 30,000 corrupt people, starting with President Fernando Henrique Cardoso”
Comparing someone to Hitler today, without even measuring on a sensible scale, is something worthy of political propaganda of opposition parties to shock the public.
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I'm sure there were naive Germans saying Hitler just wanted to make Germany prosperous. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
Right at the beginning of the post I warned that I do not put any politician on pedestal, so I have several criticisms about the person Jair Bolsonaro, but all the criticisms that I have, are well grounded and do not diverge from reality, so if you are to criticize someone without Even know what you're talking about, do a research. I assure you that you will return with much more compelling arguments than these cliché phrases created to frighten some sheep.
And it is in this kind of thing that I focused on the topic, because it is in fact what interests the forum.
I didn't mean the Trump is actually fascist. I commented on the erroneous idea of the Brazilian socialists to call any kind of opposition to their ideals, of fascism. < Just like they called Trump a fascist, even though he wasn't one >
It must not have been clear because my English is not so good, I'm sorry.
It must not have been clear because my English is not so good, I'm sorry.
Crazy to see, never thought that Brazil was going to go from super super super far left to a VERY far right stance.
But -- onto you mentioning Trump being a fascist, that isn't true in the least. Fascism compromises of a system where and I QUOTE "economic system in which the government controls the private entities that own the factors of production. The four factors are entrepreneurship, capital goods, natural resources, and labor. A central planning authority directs company leaders to work in the national interest."
This isn't true, of the United States and it will never be true. We don't have a board of people that are deciding where resources are being used, nor do we have a system where the central government has this much control. Republicans in government usually fight for devolution, or the "the transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration."
So yeah, not a Fascist.
But -- onto you mentioning Trump being a fascist, that isn't true in the least. Fascism compromises of a system where and I QUOTE "economic system in which the government controls the private entities that own the factors of production. The four factors are entrepreneurship, capital goods, natural resources, and labor. A central planning authority directs company leaders to work in the national interest."
This isn't true, of the United States and it will never be true. We don't have a board of people that are deciding where resources are being used, nor do we have a system where the central government has this much control. Republicans in government usually fight for devolution, or the "the transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration."
So yeah, not a Fascist.
That is my first time seeing fascim define as an economic system. I wonder what kind of source wrote that. Well, here is the actual definition.
I'm sure there were naive Germans saying Hitler just wanted to make Germany prosperous. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
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Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
I'm sure there were naive Germans saying Hitler just wanted to make Germany prosperous. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
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He calls himself the savior
Bolsonaro once told a fellow lawmaker that she was too ugly to rape.
He has called immigrants “scum”
He proposed selling off lands settled by indigenous Brazilians and the descendants of enslaved African
He wants to give the country’s already deadly police forces, which killed more than 4,000 people last year, even more power to shoot and kill with impunity
in 2016, he dedicated his vote to impeach the country’s then-President Dilma Rousseff to the army colonel who oversaw the dictatorship-era program that tortured her.
He has promised to stock his cabinet with military officers, further militarize Brazilian society and bring even more violence to Brazil
In 1999, he said that the dictatorship “should have shot some 30,000 corrupt people, starting with President Fernando Henrique Cardoso.”
repeatedly suggested that former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, whose regime was accused of murdering 3,000 people and torturing 40,000 others, should have killed even more.
During a campaign stop last week, he called for gunning down members of the PT, as the Workers’ Party is known.
He has proposed using helicopters to dump pamphlets into Brazil’s largest favela neighborhood ― where the overwhelming majority of residents are poor and black ― to warn drug dealers that they had six hours to turn themselves in before the military would come in guns blazing
Bolsonaro excused the death of Marielle Franco, the black, queer Rio de Janeiro city councilwoman who was assassinated in March, as “just another death in Rio de Janeiro.
He has remarked that Brazil’s feminists are good only for the oral sex they might provide
Bolsonaro once told a fellow lawmaker that she was too ugly to rape.
He has called immigrants “scum”
He proposed selling off lands settled by indigenous Brazilians and the descendants of enslaved African
He wants to give the country’s already deadly police forces, which killed more than 4,000 people last year, even more power to shoot and kill with impunity
in 2016, he dedicated his vote to impeach the country’s then-President Dilma Rousseff to the army colonel who oversaw the dictatorship-era program that tortured her.
He has promised to stock his cabinet with military officers, further militarize Brazilian society and bring even more violence to Brazil
In 1999, he said that the dictatorship “should have shot some 30,000 corrupt people, starting with President Fernando Henrique Cardoso.”
repeatedly suggested that former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, whose regime was accused of murdering 3,000 people and torturing 40,000 others, should have killed even more.
During a campaign stop last week, he called for gunning down members of the PT, as the Workers’ Party is known.
He has proposed using helicopters to dump pamphlets into Brazil’s largest favela neighborhood ― where the overwhelming majority of residents are poor and black ― to warn drug dealers that they had six hours to turn themselves in before the military would come in guns blazing
Bolsonaro excused the death of Marielle Franco, the black, queer Rio de Janeiro city councilwoman who was assassinated in March, as “just another death in Rio de Janeiro.
He has remarked that Brazil’s feminists are good only for the oral sex they might provide
Crazy to see, never thought that Brazil was going to go from super super super far left to a VERY far right stance.
But -- onto you mentioning Trump being a fascist, that isn't true in the least. Fascism compromises of a system where and I QUOTE "economic system in which the government controls the private entities that own the factors of production. The four factors are entrepreneurship, capital goods, natural resources, and labor. A central planning authority directs company leaders to work in the national interest."
This isn't true, of the United States and it will never be true. We don't have a board of people that are deciding where resources are being used, nor do we have a system where the central government has this much control. Republicans in government usually fight for devolution, or the "the transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration."
So yeah, not a Fascist.
But -- onto you mentioning Trump being a fascist, that isn't true in the least. Fascism compromises of a system where and I QUOTE "economic system in which the government controls the private entities that own the factors of production. The four factors are entrepreneurship, capital goods, natural resources, and labor. A central planning authority directs company leaders to work in the national interest."
This isn't true, of the United States and it will never be true. We don't have a board of people that are deciding where resources are being used, nor do we have a system where the central government has this much control. Republicans in government usually fight for devolution, or the "the transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration."
So yeah, not a Fascist.
I will release a delation of Antônio Palocci (a kind of confession to mitigate the criminal penalty) of one of the few who have seen closely as it was from the beginning to the end of the PT government since (Luis Inácio Lula da Silva , until Dilma Rousseff)
unfortunately it is in Portuguese, but if you have Interest in knowing how dangerous the absolute power of the state is about companies, and how this has destroyed our country at various levels due to institutional corruption, read this even with the support of a translator.
You will see what Brazil is getting rid of and the chances of change are enormous. Only in the Federal Senate, 87% of politicians were new names elected < something rare around here > A lot of what was old is being recycled and a new cycle starts.
In fact the majority of the population wants changes and did their part by retiring many names that now, without protection due to positions, will be judged by the carwash operation and possibly arrested.
Seriously, this document is bizarre, if you read from beginning to end, and understand even 50% you will already understand much more of Brazil than many Brazilians. (at least already out in front of the Socialists)
The Carwash operation lasts for more than 4 years, and will continue for a long period, was the operation that most had developments in history, having to separate specific teams to take care of the case due to the longenvity of corruption initiated by our Old politicians.
Link of delation: http://estaticog1.globo.com/2018/10/01/jf701538407832828810053850176291.pdf (you need read this)
edit:This document contains only 12 pages of hundreds of page of delation.
unfortunately it is in Portuguese, but if you have Interest in knowing how dangerous the absolute power of the state is about companies, and how this has destroyed our country at various levels due to institutional corruption, read this even with the support of a translator.
You will see what Brazil is getting rid of and the chances of change are enormous. Only in the Federal Senate, 87% of politicians were new names elected < something rare around here > A lot of what was old is being recycled and a new cycle starts.
In fact the majority of the population wants changes and did their part by retiring many names that now, without protection due to positions, will be judged by the carwash operation and possibly arrested.
Seriously, this document is bizarre, if you read from beginning to end, and understand even 50% you will already understand much more of Brazil than many Brazilians. (at least already out in front of the Socialists)
The Carwash operation lasts for more than 4 years, and will continue for a long period, was the operation that most had developments in history, having to separate specific teams to take care of the case due to the longenvity of corruption initiated by our Old politicians.
Link of delation: http://estaticog1.globo.com/2018/10/01/jf701538407832828810053850176291.pdf (you need read this)
edit:This document contains only 12 pages of hundreds of page of delation.
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Sounds like the politics are rooted deeply in partisan motives than anything else. This is ironically interesting based on all the talk of partisan tribalism being at the forefront in America. One might be able to reasonably argue the extreme partisan politics helps corruption flourish (operation Carwash?).
It is complicated, therefore, who accuses the Trump of fascism, condemns fascism as something opposed to socialism, and how people who had this thought, were majority, yes, many people think and judge in this way, which even in fact cant* be called fascism.
Sober people here, associate much more, socialism with fascism, than any opposite accusation. But the Socialists were mostly, so anything that opposes them, becomes a fascist, you know? Bolsonaro does not have a clear policy on gays, and has in fact already demonstrated in some cases to be prejudiced and ignorant at some points. Just because I'm ignorant about gays, and having an opposite opinion, they accuse him of being a fascist, so I don't take it seriously, who doesn't know what fascism is, calling someone a fascist.
But answering his question, when Trump was elected, yes, he was called a fascist by many socialists who made resistance < useless > around here. (In the same way that they compare Bolsonaro to Hitler, believe me, it is this level of despair of the Socialists, and that did not prevent the same of being elected. That's why it's complicated.
Sober people here, associate much more, socialism with fascism, than any opposite accusation. But the Socialists were mostly, so anything that opposes them, becomes a fascist, you know? Bolsonaro does not have a clear policy on gays, and has in fact already demonstrated in some cases to be prejudiced and ignorant at some points. Just because I'm ignorant about gays, and having an opposite opinion, they accuse him of being a fascist, so I don't take it seriously, who doesn't know what fascism is, calling someone a fascist.
But answering his question, when Trump was elected, yes, he was called a fascist by many socialists who made resistance < useless > around here. (In the same way that they compare Bolsonaro to Hitler, believe me, it is this level of despair of the Socialists, and that did not prevent the same of being elected. That's why it's complicated.
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Serious question, do people in Brazil think Trump is Facist? Is it a small number of people that think this or is it a wide spread belief/assumption?
Sounds like the politics are rooted deeply in partisan motives than anything else. This is ironically interesting based on all the talk of partisan tribalism being at the forefront in America. One might be able to reasonably argue the extreme partisan politics helps corruption flourish (operation Carwash?).
It is complicated, therefore, who accuses Trump a fascist, condemns fascism as something opposed to socialism, and how people who had this thought, were majority, yes, many people think and judge in this way, which in fact cant be called fascism.
Sober people here, associate much more, socialism with fascism, than any opposite accusation. But the Socialists were mostly, so anything that opposes them, becomes a fascist, you know? Bolsonaro does not have a clear policy on gays, and has in fact already demonstrated in some cases to be prejudiced and ignorant at some points. Just because I'm ignorant about gays, and having an opposite opinion, they accuse him of being a fascist, so I don't take it seriously, who doesn't know what fascism is, calling someone a fascist.
But answering his question, when Trump was elected, yes, he was called a fascist by many socialists who made resistance < useless > around here. (In the same way that they compare Bolsonaro to Hitler, believe me, it is this level of despair of the Socialists, and that did not prevent the same of being elected. That's why it's complicated.
Sober people here, associate much more, socialism with fascism, than any opposite accusation. But the Socialists were mostly, so anything that opposes them, becomes a fascist, you know? Bolsonaro does not have a clear policy on gays, and has in fact already demonstrated in some cases to be prejudiced and ignorant at some points. Just because I'm ignorant about gays, and having an opposite opinion, they accuse him of being a fascist, so I don't take it seriously, who doesn't know what fascism is, calling someone a fascist.
But answering his question, when Trump was elected, yes, he was called a fascist by many socialists who made resistance < useless > around here. (In the same way that they compare Bolsonaro to Hitler, believe me, it is this level of despair of the Socialists, and that did not prevent the same of being elected. That's why it's complicated.
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Serious question, do people in Brazil think Trump is Facist? Is it a small number of people that think this or is it a wide spread belief/assumption?
Much is speculated about the victory of the same, with many people afraid calling him a fascist, (something like Trump)
Serious question, do people in Brazil think Trump is Facist? Is it a small number of people that think this or is it a wide spread belief/assumption?
I'm not going to go into details about your proposals, so I'll try to summarize for you: he is a far right candidate and in fact was the only and last option against the other party that could have won the elections: the PT (Party of Workers) who have a socialist bias. (In power for over 14 years.)
Much is speculated about the victory of the same, with many people afraid calling him a fascist, (something like Trump) but there are many hopeful people because he is a candidate who has the blessings of the market.
So as I do not put any politician on a pedestal, it seems to be the best option that we have, and this in fact can be something very positive for Brazil, both internally and with its relations with foreign markets.
Actions here are about to rise, investments can arrive, and decreased state may be about to occur since the same discourse in favor of these acts.
If all goes well, and such promises are concluded, for the first time we can have a very productive evolution never before seen in Brazil.
I would like to communicate this to you, who are outside, and do not accompany the progress of some developing countries, because we have today, proposals never before taken, and who knows we left the ranking 153 of a country almost closed economically, to rise and who knows achieve unimaginable heights.
Today begins a new phase of Brazil, and for those who tend to stagnate and think that some countries never change and keep the same thought without informing, I inform you, that perhaps a gear that will have important consequences in the future, was Rotated today.
Link of the news officializing the victory, and with some details about proposals, affiliations and some information for those interested in knowing more:
https://g1.globo.com/politica/eleicoes/2018/noticia/2018/10/28/jair-bolsonaro-e-eleito-presidente-e-interrompe-serie-de-vitorias-do-pt.ghtml
Much is speculated about the victory of the same, with many people afraid calling him a fascist, (something like Trump) but there are many hopeful people because he is a candidate who has the blessings of the market.
So as I do not put any politician on a pedestal, it seems to be the best option that we have, and this in fact can be something very positive for Brazil, both internally and with its relations with foreign markets.
Actions here are about to rise, investments can arrive, and decreased state may be about to occur since the same discourse in favor of these acts.
If all goes well, and such promises are concluded, for the first time we can have a very productive evolution never before seen in Brazil.
I would like to communicate this to you, who are outside, and do not accompany the progress of some developing countries, because we have today, proposals never before taken, and who knows we left the ranking 153 of a country almost closed economically, to rise and who knows achieve unimaginable heights.
Today begins a new phase of Brazil, and for those who tend to stagnate and think that some countries never change and keep the same thought without informing, I inform you, that perhaps a gear that will have important consequences in the future, was Rotated today.
Link of the news officializing the victory, and with some details about proposals, affiliations and some information for those interested in knowing more:
https://g1.globo.com/politica/eleicoes/2018/noticia/2018/10/28/jair-bolsonaro-e-eleito-presidente-e-interrompe-serie-de-vitorias-do-pt.ghtml
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