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Topic: BROKEN:: biggest US government orchestrated shooting in history - 500+ wounded (Read 1898 times)

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it was not a goverment operation

Of course it was Government orchestrated.

Remember all those big plane crashes of the '60s, '70s, '80s, and '90s? Then we had 9/11. Then we got Homeland Security and the TSA. Suddenly, no more airline crashes.

Do you really think that Government harassing all those people is what is preventing the airline crashes? The plane crashes were due to Government causing them so that they would have an excuse to set up Homeland Security and the TSA, just as another step to take freedom away from us all.

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Has the place been opened up yet for people to go and see all the marks from the bullets? I haven't been following the story but let me guess they're tearing down or remodeling the place and all the evidence will be gone?

It reminds me of a school shooting where they were planning to tear down the school because of the shooting.
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Eyewitness to Las Vegas massacre "smelled gunpowder" in the...





A man by the name of "Jake" says he had a birdseye view of the massacre from the 64th-floor of the Delano Hotel where he was staying on the night of October 1 and says that he heard gunshots downstairs.

Jake told ABC News the night of the massacre, that he and a few of his friends thought it would be a "good idea" to run up to the Skyfall Lounge, "a bar that overlooks the strip," where they would have a better view of what was going on after they heard a volley of fully-automatic gunfire ring out closeby.

According to Jake, when he and his friends reached the Skyfall Lounge they noticed that people in the bar were still unaware of what was happening at the concert venue where Jake and his friends noticed the carnage was taking place.

"My friends and I personally saw crowds of people running out of the festival and bodies hitting the ground and we watched these people being gunned down from the shooter on the 32nd-floor of the Mandalay Bay," he explained.


Eyewitness describes police shooting suspect at Delano hotel after Route 91 massacre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ax1ONVxew0



Read more at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/11/08/eyewitness-to-las-vegas-massacre-smelled-gunpowder-in-the-lobby-of-the-delano-hotel-just-after-the-shooting-heard-gunshots-from-around-the-corner/.


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30 FBI Agents checked into Mandalay Bay Hotel 1-2 days before Vegas shooting?





There are specific reasons why the FBI has led the cover-up of the Las Vegas mass shooting.

Not only was the Bureau well aware of Stephen Paddock's activities as an arms dealer well before the massacre, they knew that his hotel room had been transformed into a virtual armory.

That doesn't mean that Paddock had anything to do with the mass murder; he didn't.  Paddock was set up as the patsy who knew absolutely nothing about the false flag psyop carried out at the HARVEST on October 1, 2017.

What follows is perhaps the most radioactive breakthrough thus far regarding the Mandalay Bay massacre.  Unfortunately, the breakthrough in this case was not disclosed by the FBI.  That's because it's about the FBI's direct involvement in the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history.


Read more at http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=88171#more-88171.


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Now, watch how fast this thread gets buried.

Mass shootings in any country should be very important, but it only takes an hour or less for this thread to be moved to the second page.

Is that merely coincidence? Or do the Vegas gambling houses pull some strings at Bitcointalk?

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it was not a goverment operation

You are probably right. The core of the Vegas massacre probably was not a government operation. But it probably was upheld by government in multitudes of ways as can be seen by all the news articles in this thread.

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I have no doubt that there will be a lot more information coming out in the next few months and even years surrounding this horrible tragedy. I just hope that those who do find the truth aren't subject to U.S justice department. There have been too many killings, injustices, and wrongful detainment's lately.   
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There Were "Active Shooters On The Runway"





In yet another striking example of a widespread cover-up currently underway regarding the worst mass shooting in American history, new air traffic control audio has been released that details the fact that there were multiple active shooters on the airports property which is extremely close to the venue where at least part of the attack took place.

The audio recordings, taken from the night of the October 1st massacre that left 58 dead and over 500 injured, are further proof that multiple shooters were used throughout the area, a fact that directly contradicts the official story.

During the air traffic control recordings, which were released by political strategist and co-founder of "The New Right" Mike Tokes, one of the dispatchers is heard telling an incoming plane that landing might not be a good idea because there were multiple active shooters on the airport property itself.


Read more at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/11/04/there-were-active-shooters-on-the-runway-bombshell-air-traffic-control-audio-from-the-night-of-the-las-vegas-massacre-reveals/.


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Why Has The Las Vegas Massacre Disappeared From The News Cycle?





With so much information and news reaching us, it's easy to become overburdened and burned out on the world around us and the things taking place. It is true, too, that the mainstream media dictates what stays center in the mind of the public and what is allowed to fade away and be forgotten. It is of the utmost importance we remain aware – however exhaustive it may be – of stories that just don't add up.

Enter the Las Vegas shooting; the worst mass-shooting in U.S. history...
On October 1, 64-year-old Stephen Paddock opened fire on a country music festival from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, which overlooked the festival venue. Paddock's onslaught left 58 dead and 546 injured.

A full month later, and we are still without any answers. Even more worryingly, the Vegas shooting has disappeared from any cable news channel. Even online, discussion over the shooting has all but vanished, save from the more conspiratorial corners of the web.


Read more at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-01/why-has-las-vegas-massacre-disappeared-news-cycle.


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Massive Vegas Twist: Report Puts Cops Outside Shooter's Door BEFORE Attack Started





One month after the Las Vegas shooting, there are a number of remaining questions about what led up to the massacre and how it unfolded, but there are also a several questions about why the timeline continues to change drastically—and the latest change puts law enforcement outside the shooter's door minutes before the massacre began.

Some of the most glaring changes in the timeline have revolved around the account of Mandalay Bay Hotel security guard Jesus Campos, who was reportedly injured by suspected shooter Stephen Paddock. Campos went from being just another causality in the shooting to Paddock's first victim, who was shot only once in the leg, despite the fact that the shooter fired 200 rounds down the hallway in his direction.

During an interview on Fox News with Tucker Carlson, an attorney for the victims revealed that not only did police officers respond to Campos after he was shot, they were right outside of Paddock's door before he began shooting out of his hotel room window.

"As of yesterday it was that two—we knew about Campos—but there were two other police officers from MGM that were on the floor prior to the shooting," Craig Eiland said.

The conversation came up while Carlson and Eiland were discussing the mysterious circumstances surrounding both Campos' story and how tightly he has been controlled by MGM Grand.

"Maybe they're concerned of what he's going to say. Maybe they're concerned he's not going to stick with the MGM story," Eiland said. "But eventually he will be examined under oath by attorneys in these cases and so it's going to be important to know the timeline from what he says and from what the other two—now we know that there were two other police officers on the floor with him prior to the shooting—those are all questions that have to be answered and they eventually will be."

Carlson responded to the revelation by asking, "Just to be clear—not Las Vegas Police Department, but MGM employees acting as security?"

"No. There was a report yesterday that there were two off-duty officers on the floor that responded to Campos prior to the shooting beginning," Eiland confirmed for the third time.


Read more and click the links at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/vegas-police-outside-shooter-door-before-attack/.


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Flight records indicate LVMPD helicopter's transponder went dark after---





Flight records obtained by Intellihub founder and editor-in-chief Shepard Ambellas indicate that the transponder on an LVMPD aircraft went dark after several heavily armed men boarded the chopper.

The following timeline details the whereabouts of LVMPD helicopter "N911WY" between the hours of 10:25 p.m. and 11:35 p.m., Oct. 1, 2017.

*The data was captured in UTC time (i.e. 10 p.m. local time is 05:00 UTC on Oct. 2, 11 p.m. is 06:00 UTC on Oct. 2)

10:05 p.m. – Stephen Paddock's first volley of fully-automatic gunfire, reportedly starts (see the unofficial timeline for more details.)

10:25 p.m. – An LVMPD MD 530F helicopter (#N911WY) arrives in the vicinity of the Luxor from North Las Vegas.


Read more and click the links at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/10/28/flight-records-indicate-lvmpd-helicopters-transponder-went-dark-after-picking-up-mercenaries-armed-with-m-239-saw-like-machine-guns-on-the-night-of-the-massacre/.


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Which evidence do we have that all this has actually happened? Is there a list of all the people who supposedly died? Are there videos of all the funeral ceremonies? Do all these people have regular facebook accounts? My questions are very innocent, I don't want to suggest anything, just don't believe something just because the TV told me.
I can guess that you are really paranoid, do you distrust the US government to such great extant that you are ready to believe that they staged these shooting and before i go further, i would like to know what you think they will gain from doing that in the first place. Maybe if you research yourself you will find the truth.

You don't always have to have a motive to believe that evidence suggests a certain thing. Some things may never make sense but happen a certain way.

It's reasonable to question anything that you only know of from TV, radio, and Internet sites that are run by these same companies. We still don't know what hit WTC 1 & 2 on 9/11/2001.

The US government still is unable to tell you why the Third Tower, WTC7, on 9/11 suddenly disintegrated in 10 seconds or so, even though nothing hit it. Guess why it is unable?
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Which evidence do we have that all this has actually happened? Is there a list of all the people who supposedly died? Are there videos of all the funeral ceremonies? Do all these people have regular facebook accounts? My questions are very innocent, I don't want to suggest anything, just don't believe something just because the TV told me.
I can guess that you are really paranoid, do you distrust the US government to such great extant that you are ready to believe that they staged these shooting and before i go further, i would like to know what you think they will gain from doing that in the first place. Maybe if you research yourself you will find the truth.

You don't always have to have a motive to believe that evidence suggests a certain thing. Some things may never make sense but happen a certain way.

It's reasonable to question anything that you only know of from TV, radio, and Internet sites that are run by these same companies. We still don't know what hit WTC 1 & 2 on 9/11/2001.
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Which evidence do we have that all this has actually happened? Is there a list of all the people who supposedly died? Are there videos of all the funeral ceremonies? Do all these people have regular facebook accounts? My questions are very innocent, I don't want to suggest anything, just don't believe something just because the TV told me.
I can guess that you are really paranoid, do you distrust the US government to such great extant that you are ready to believe that they staged these shooting and before i go further, i would like to know what you think they will gain from doing that in the first place. Maybe if you research yourself you will find the truth.
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FALSE FLAG TERROR: FBI Used SWAT Team To Confiscate Key Surveillance Video...





The incident in question was actually captured on a cell phone by Cerritos, California resident Jay Poloma, with the footage going viral immediately upon its release and leading many to believe that this was evidence of an attack at the Tropicana Hotel itself.

Interestingly, according to sources quoted by TruNews, the footage apparently didn't show a team of law enforcement officers sweeping the hotel over fears of an active shooter, rather it literally caught authorities, as the actual attack was still taking place, storming a hotel to confiscate footage that could easily prove that their official story was complete nonsense.

The report claims that a law enforcement official told the news outlet that the team included an FBI officer as well as six LVMPD officers who were drafted at the last minute.

"According to a senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation, the seven man team was comprised of one FBI tactical officer, standing in the back left of the formation, and six officers from the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department who were drafted last minute for this impromptu raid," the bombshell report reads.


Read more and click the links at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/10/21/false-flag-terror-fbi-used-swat-team-to-confiscate-key-surveillance-video-of-the-las-vegas-massacre-from-the-tropicana-hotel/.


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Breaking news on TV. Mass shooting 57+ dead. Almost as high as automotive crash deaths in a typical day in the US. Las Vegas Nevad. He shot from a hotel room window down to a big crowd at a music festival. They say the shooter shot himself. According to TV, the shooter's home as been searched and the garage door on his home is completely destroyed. What's up with that?

Enough people were killed to get close to the number of vehicle accident deaths in a typical day in the US, which is around 92.

These kinds of things are usually orchestrated by the government. Why? Gun control? Blaming it Islam?

He probably could have used several an RPGs and done more damage. But he used a gun, which is typically what's done to support the gun control agenda when a bomb could have otherwise been used to do more damage.

Sandy Hook turned out out to be a lie. The school wasn't even open and the victims were all fictitious characters. Is it some kind of government test to see what people will believe?

The target was a County Music concert, not some music festival full of extreme left hippies. If the government was involved in making it happen then they wouldn't want to target their own supporters.

Just think of how things like this happen all the time in Iraq and similar places but when we read about it we don't think much of it. Another 70 people killed in a bombing is just another day.

Is it possible that foreign terrorists actually did this but the police found an innocent man to blame it on? It makes perfect sense if you think about it. They went in, killed the terrorists, then they checked a gun ownership database for all people in the building, which is easily obtained from the all cell phones located in the building. Then they found someone who owned guns, went and got him then put him in the terrorist's room and shot him. This would explain why the news is saying he may have checked in under a false name, since he wouldn't have actually been in that room. And it explains why two windows were broken and how so many people died in such a short time. Audio recordings will tell if multiple guns fired at once. The real terrorists were then smuggled out of the building. The raid of the man's home then fixed any descrepencies of evidence needed to be done. I'm almost sure any security camera recordings were confiscated first thing. Now that all that's covered up the cover story can be used for more gun control, and the terrorist act is defeated in the best way possible way. Even if ISIS claims to be behind the attack, if nobody believes them then it doesn't matter.

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I think that nobody in their tight mind can orchestrate something like this wherein a lot of people is killed. EVen the government must take pause in it sepecially that they are against guncontrol and we cannot blame people on this and find another reason except that this is another cold blooded killings done by a remorseless person.
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Which evidence do we have that all this has actually happened? Is there a list of all the people who supposedly died? Are there videos of all the funeral ceremonies? Do all these people have regular facebook accounts? My questions are very innocent, I don't want to suggest anything, just don't believe something just because the TV told me.
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COMMENTARY: Guards paint an eye-opening picture of MGM security policies





They told me a story of a company that is filled with disgruntled employees, faulty equipment and guards who have no training for a crisis. They say nobody still has any idea what to do in case of emergency.

Here are a few highlights of our conversation:

MGM security personnel are "undermanned, underpaid, under-trained." That's a quote direct from security supervisors.

My sources say because MGM is heavily in debt and trying to save money, and because executives see security as a department that "produces no profit," MGM made decisions to savage the security budget.

Most members of MGM security are disarmed. Only supervisors have weapons — and they are in their offices or the control room. If there's trouble, the guns are far away. That leaves unarmed guards unable to defend guests or themselves for long periods of time. Guards feel helpless.


Read more at https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/wayne-allyn-root/commentary-guards-paint-an-eye-opening-picture-of-mgm-security-policies/.


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Las Vegas casinos are in bed with the police





While the LVMPD and the FBI are jointly involved in the investigation of Stephen Paddock, delving into every aspect of his personal life to find out why he committed the worst mass shooting in United States history, there is another group of investigators also working feverishly but not for the same reasons as the police or the FBI.

They are the corporate investigators, whose numbers are many in Las Vegas and who are employed by the gaming industry to protect corporate interests and assets, specifically when it comes to possible civil litigation.

Throughout the city, employed by the corporations who run Las Vegas gambling and hotel establishments are many retired law enforcement officers from the ranks of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other law enforcement agencies.

Grant Ashley, who led the FBI's Las Vegas office for several years was vice president in charge of security for Harrah's Entertainment from 2006 thru 2008.

The relationship between the LVMPD and the hotel and casino industry in Las Vegas is extremely tight. Not one day goes by in Las Vegas where police are not interacting with the private security forces employed by the hotels and casinos. Las Vegas has every type of tourist crime imaginable from pickpockets to room burglars to armed robberies and murder.


Read more at http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/las-vegas-casinos-bed-police/2017/10/20.


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REPORTS: HELICOPTERS MAY HAVE BEEN USED DURING LAS VEGAS MASSACRE...





A shocking series of videos have been released over the last week that have many believing that multiple helicopters were used during the attack on the Route 91 music festival in Las Vegas that left 58 dead and over 500 injured.

While it is obviously impossible at this time to conclusively say anything did or didn't happen during the attack, the fact that authorities have openly lied multiple times about the massacre increases the likelihood that they are covering up something big.

Could the cover-up involve the fact that helicopter "gunships" fired down into the crowd of concert goers while other shooters conducted attacks on the ground as reported by 5 different witnesses?

The following series of videos, at the very least, paint a picture of this being a shockingly real possibility.

Most researchers and readers of alternative media were first introduced to the possibility that helicopters were used in the attack after a video was released that seemed to show muzzles flashes coming from a helicopter that is aimed in the direction of the crowd.


Read more and watch the videos at http://www.thedailysheeple.com/reports-helicopters-may-have-been-used-during-las-vegas-massacre-heavily-armed-men-seen-gearing-up-near-helicopter-on-night-of-attack_102017.


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Mandalay Bay, MGM Resorts Ordered To Preserve Evidence In Vegas Massacre





As we previously noted, sources told DailyMail.com, MGM is worried that families of the 58 people murdered as well as many of the 546 injured  in the Mandalay Bay massacre will launch lawsuits potentially worth billions of dollars against the company, and they thought Campos might not keep his story straight under the pressure of the TV lights and tough questioning.

That is why Campos, 25, appeared on a daytime chat show hosted by a fast-talking, dancing comedienne, rather than take questions from TV hardhitters such as Fox News' Sean Hannity, NBC News or ABC News.

'MGM was behind the decision to call off all the interviews and did a deal with Ellen, knowing she would not play hardball on the timeline as long as she had the exclusive,' a TV insider told DailyMail.com.

But now, as News3LV.com reports, Mandalay Bay and its corporate owner MGM Resorts have been ordered not to destroy anything that could be considered evidence in a civil negligence trial over events related to the Route 91 music festival. The order was sought by attorneys who represent Rachel Sheppard, a California woman who survived the attack, despite being shot in the chest three times.


Read more and click the links at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-19/mandalay-bay-mgm-resorts-ordered-preserve-evidence-vegas-massacre.


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Coverup Questions Emerge Over Vegas Security Guard's 'Ellen' Appearance





Following his sudden re-appearance on The Ellen Show after vanishing for 6 days, numerous questions remain unanswered about Mandalay Bay shooting hero Jesus Campos' timeline and perhaps more concerning still is that The Daily Mail reports that he was pressured into giving his only interview to Ellen DeGeneres because the giant company that owns the Las Vegas casino feared he would spill the beans about the shooting timeline if he was grilled by real journalists.

As we detailed previously, Campos had originally agreed to do five interviews, all on Thursday last week, but suddenly went missing, his union boss, who was helping set up the deal, told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview. David Hickey, president of the Michigan-based International Union, Security Police and Fire Professionals of America, would not confirm that MGM was behind the decision, but said the company certainly influenced Campos.

'I was in a meeting with MGM's upper management and they were definitely concerned about how tough someone like Hannity would be on him and they voiced their opinions,' Hickey said.

He said all sides had agreed parameters for the interviews. 'Everyone knew he wasn't to talk about security protocols, staffing or training or give out names of employees.'


Read more and click the links at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-19/coverup-questions-emerge-over-vegas-security-guards-ellen-appearance.


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What a hero.  Satanic u.s. suffered major losses that day.

bra i think your camels want to have anal sex with you again.
better run to your kitchen and make love with them.


camel raping scum.

LOL... That guy deserved this. Dozens of people were murdered during this mass-shooting incident and I don't think that any of them were even remotely involved with the United States military. Most of the casualties were from the teens and those in the early 20s. Rejoicing at their death is absolutely insane. Reminds me of the celebrations after the Utøya shootings in 2011.
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Witness to Oct. 1 Planet Hollywood gunfire event comes forth with key details...





A woman who was inside Planet Hollywood the night of the Route 91 music festival massacre came forth with shocking details which prove that there was, in fact, gunfire outside of Planet Hollywood as other eyewitnesses have also reported.

The 48-year-old woman and resident of Detroit posted her shocking account to the "ZiderParty" YouTube channel on Tuesday where she explains that she was in Las Vegas for her brother's wedding.

The woman called the event a "terrorist attack" and said that she was just sitting in Planet Hollywood gambling near the Yollo Mexican restaurant where she heard shots being fired out on the strip only "fifty to one-hundred feet away" outside of the doors.

That's when the woman said that "people started pouring in" from the strip. It was "chaos," she explained. "People were leaping over tables."


Las Vegas Shooting Eyewitness Planet Hollywood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlL08CgBESc



Read more at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/10/18/witness-to-oct-1-planet-hollywood-gunfire-event-comes-forth-with-key-details-of-her-shocking-encounter/.


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The Way Things Work in Vegas . . . Part Two





(Our first installment ended with a lengthy excerpt from Tom Conley, a former civilian police captain, senior-level commissioned officer in the United States Navy Reserve, and certified U.S. Department of Defense counter-terrorism instructor, posted at the "Security" magazine Web site on Oct. 13 (https://www.securitymagazine.com/blogs/14-security-blog/post/88391-the-las-vegas-massacre-the-anatomy-of-a-catastrophic-security-failure .)

 

WHO IS MR. CAMPOS' NEW BOOKING AGENT?

Mr. Conley's analysis can hardly have been music to the ears of casino executives still waiting for the process servers to start showing up with "negligence and liability" filings following the infamous October First massacre of concert-goers by a gunman firing from his 32nd-floor suite, there.

Those lawsuits are coming, whether they're justified or not.

But if there was nothing to hide, presumably concerns could have been calmed by making wounded security guard Jesus Campos promptly available to the press to "straighten everything out" about how long it took for police to be called. Instead, after having scheduled a number of media appearances, Mr. Campos . . . disappeared.



By Oct. 16, the headline at http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/16/mandalay-bay-security-guard-center-changing-timeline-disappeared/ was: "Report — Mandalay Bay Security Guard at center of Las Vegas Attack Timeline Has Disappeared:

"Fox 5 reports that Jesus Campos missed a scheduled press conference on Thursday of last week, and Fox News reports that he is still nowhere to be found," AWR Hawkins wrote for Breitbart.


Read lots more at http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/227527-2017-10-19-the-way-things-work-in-vegas-part-two.htm.


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The Way Things Work in Vegas . . . Part One







Our friend Ernie Hancock, who runs the Freedom's Phoenix radio show and Web site down in Phoenix (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Front-Page.htm) claims I originated the dictum that -– if you want the straight dope on any big, controversial news event -– you just need to "wait three weeks" for the official "massaged for the masses" narrative to start to unravel.

I don't know that 21 days is a truly magic number, but it is interesting that two-and-a-half weeks have now elapsed since depraved killer Stephen Paddock -– motive still not clear – opened fire out his hotel window on the crowd at a country music festival in Las Vegas on the night of October First, killing at least 58 (deaths of the wounded unfortunately continue) and wounding about 500 more . . . all innocents presumably unknown to him.



LAS VEGAS, NV – OCTOBER 01: People run from the Route 91 Harvest country music festival on October 1, 2017 in Las Vegas. (Photo by David Becker/Getty Images)


Read lots more at http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/227526-2017-10-19-the-way-things-work-in-vegas-part-one.htm.


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Eyewitness account of rapid gunfire, muzzle flash, people shot at Tropicana...





An eyewitness named Geo Rios and his girlfriend were attending the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival on the night of Oct. 1 when gunfire rang out striking numerous people inside the venue.

Rios said that you could actually hear the bullets hitting bodies all around them and said that several people who were struck fell atop his girlfriend.

"[…] as we're hearing that we all dropped," the eyewitness explained. 'There were people getting shot all around us. Everywhere around us. It was very, very, scary.'

"One second we were listening to Jason Aldean […] the next moment we are fighting for our lives."

Geos said that he and his girlfriend were physically exerted just trying to make it out of the venue and explained how 'it was a real workout' to keep dropping down to take cover and then get back up again.

"[…] you have no idea, it drained us," he said. "It literally drained every little part of us that we could possibly have. […] it took all of what was in us."


Gio Rios - Las Vegas Eyewitness Report of Multiple Shooters at the Tropicana and NyNy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltgVTVtz4NM


Read more at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/10/17/eyewitness-account-of-rapid-gunfire-muzzle-flash-people-shot-at-tropicana-blood-on-walls-las-vegas-shooting/.


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VEGAS SURVIVOR WHO DIED SUDDENLY HAD PLANNED GROUP TO EXPOSE COVER-UP





A woman who died days after surviving the ill-fated October 1 country music festival in Las Vegas wanted to organize a survivor's group in order to flesh out the strange event, Facebook conversations reveal.

Kymberley Suchomel, 28, died suddenly on October 9 at her Apple Valley, California, residence five days after posting her version of events to Facebook.




Image credit: Julie Norton / vvdailypress.com

In the days following the massacre, friends reached out to Suchomel over a October 4 post in which she described someone setting off "fire crackers" near the venue, and detailed being chased by numerous people, concluding at one point "There was more than one gun firing. 100% more than one."

One longtime friend of Suchomel's, who asked to remain anonymous, provided Infowars with screenshots of a conversation he'd had with her, in which she indicated planning to "organize a group of survivors" in order "to piece things together."




"You can share my comment for sure. And you can leave my name," Suchomel says in a Facebook message to her friend. "I'm trying to organize a group of survivors so if anyone wants to contact me they can. Because this fucked up shit doesn't make sense and we are trying to piece things together."

"The media can suck it. They have no idea what went down!" she added.


Suchomel goes on to tell her friend, who told Infowars he'd known her for years, that she was compiling a "second by second story" detailing her experience, and pinpoints on an image where she'd been seated with her friends.





Important to note is that much of Suchomel's lengthy account – now deleted from Facebook, but available here – appears to contradict the lone wolf shooter narrative provided to the public from law enforcement.

Another friend of Suchomel who organized a fundraiser to help pay for funeral expenses says her family made the decision to deactivate Kymberley's Facebook account due to "an overwhelming amount of messages" from conspiracy theorists claiming her friend was "murdered."

"They believe she passed away from a grand mahl seizure but the autopsy report has not been finalized," Suchomel's friend wrote on Facebook Sunday.


Read more and watch the videos, including reading Suchomel's lengthy account, at https://www.infowars.com/woman-who-died-suddenly-after-surviving-vegas-massacre-wanted-to-organize-survivors-group/.


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What a hero.  Satanic u.s. suffered major losses that day.

bra i think your camels want to have anal sex with you again.
better run to your kitchen and make love with them.


camel raping scum.
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Las Vegas Shooting Victim: "There Was 100% More Than One Shooter," Gates To ...





Las Vegas mass shooting victim Rocky Palermo was shot in the pelvis during the horrific attack and is now speaking out about what he saw and believes happened, including the presence of multiple shooters as well as locked concert gates and police telling frantic civilians to go in the other direction.

Palermo, who has done various interviews since the attack, appeared on "The Blast" with a series of shocking comments that correlate with various other reports indicating that multiple shooters carried out the attack and that the FBI is actively covering this up.

"I definitely do believe that there was 100% more than one shooter, every other person that I've talked to that did unfortunately get hit as well, have all said the same things," Palermo detailed.

The man then goes on to explain that after being shot he ran "about 200 yards" to hide behind a car, all the while hearing bullets fly past him at what he believes was ground level.

"I'm waiting and all of a sudden we hear a little whizzing going by us, all of a sudden bullets are just flying by," he continued.

"When something is coming up and down or at least from a different angle they are either going to hit the ground or… alot of different things are going to happen. When someone is shooting form a horizontal line its just going to keep shooting," Palermo attempted to explain. Take note that what he means here is that people were being shot at from ground level rather than the 32nd floor of the hotel.

Palermo then specifically heard the gun shots get "closer and closer" before quickly deciding it was once again time to run.

Shockingly, he then goes on to detail the fact that at the end of the concert the previous two nights everyone had exited a specific way but on the night of the shooting this route was locked down shortly before the attack.

"Every other night at the concert, everybody kinda exited right off Las Vegas Blvd, that was standard, that was routine, you get out of the concert and you go down to the next casino," he continued.

"At 10pm they closed every exit on Las Vegas Blvd, every single one. They gated them all closed with chain-link fences, 10:08 the shooting started and we were pigs sitting in a corral. We only had one exit to go out of…..everyone was just kinda following the sheep."


Rocky Palermo Las Vegas testimony

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLdWJV9XtaM



Read more and watch the video at http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/las-vegas-shooting-victim-there-was-100-more-than-one-shooter-gates-to-concert-were-locked-shortly-before-attack_10122017.


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ISIS Gunmen In Vegas Executed US Defense Spy Paddock





Official cover-ups of crimes that implicate the national-security establishment, as the Vegas massacre surely has done, must be handled with patience learned from prior investigative experience in order to spot disinformation and assemble credible evidence into a reconstruction of the totality of the crime, including the sequence of events, role of other participants, relationship to the government, background and motive.
 
In pathetic contrast, the compliant news media portrays alleged gunman Stephen Paddock as a lone gunman and man of mystery without making an serious effort at uncovering his connections to the intelligence services, which happens to be the key to comprehending the reasons behind this puzzling mass murder. Then there is the planted single gunman claim  like the FBI tip to Infowars that suspect Paddock was killed in the Bureau's assault and that antifa (anti-fascist, anti-racist anarchist) literature was found in the 32nd floor room at the Mandalay. (Sheriff Joseph Lombardo countered that falsehood from the FBI by stating more than one shooter was involved.) Here it will be shown that Paddock was anything but a radical anarchist and instead worked as a contract agent for the Defense Department and CIA.
 
The FBI-Las Vegas police feud was discussed at the 4chan thread that was soon closed for new comments:
According to a source in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:: "The LVMPD knows the motive behind the attack, but the FBI will not allow us to release the motive because it implicates the FBI in illegal arms deals and supplying arms to ISIS terrorists within U.S. borders. Stephen Paddock was an undercover FBI agent who participated in multiple illegal arms deals in the Las Vegas area in a gun-running entrapment scheme similar to Fast and Furious. Paddock thought he was engaging in another routine arms transfer, but ISIS had learned about the entrapment scheme and Paddock's true identity. They killed him and carried out the massacre, and then fled thd scene.
 
"Everything is being kept under extreme wraps because 1) armed ISIS terrorists are still at large and 2) this is very embarrassing to the FBI and they don't want their scheme to become public knowledge. . . . People within LVMP are disgusted and are pushing for this information to be released to the public."
 
Arguably more grotesque are the online snipers who falsely insist that the Vegas massacre never happened but was a stage-play faked by crisis actors. (There are crisis actors, but they are hired by public relations firms after a calamity to divert public attention from the actual trauma victims.)


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Note in Las Vegas gunman's hotel room included details of bullet trajectory





A note found in the hotel room of the man who shot into a crowd from his perch in a Las Vegas high-rise included hand-written calculations about where he needed to aim to maximize his accuracy and kill as many people as possible.

In an interview airing Sunday on "60 Minutes," three police officers who stormed Stephen Paddock's hotel room in the Mandalay Bay hotel tell correspondent Bill Whitaker new details about the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history. The officers were the first to see Paddock's body and the arsenal of weapons and ammunition he had stockpiled.

Officer David Newton from the Las Vegas Police Department's K-9 unit said he noticed a note on the shooter's nightstand once officers breached the room. He said the note was located near one of the windows that Paddock had smashed with a hammer to fire onto the crowd below with high-powered semi-automatic rifles outfitted to increase their rate of fire.


Read more, click the links, and watch the video at https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-gunman-stephen-paddock-note-hotel-room-details-of-bullet-trajectory/.


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Chief M.D. of Vegas hospital's emergency department says 'mass casualty incident...





Chief Medical Doctor of the Emergency Department at Vally Hospital Medical Center and longtime Chief Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) Doctor Jeffrey Davis admitted on camera that a 'mass casualty incident disaster drill' was activated after the massacre in which 59 people were killed, according to official reports.

The famous doctor said that he was at home Sunday night when got a call (around 10 p.m. local time) from one of his office directors who notified the doctor that there was 'possibly' a mass shooting with multiple victims and that the hospital was going to activate a 'mass casualty incident' or 'disaster drill.'

"Sunday evening I was at home. Probably like everyone getting ready for nighttime […] I was notified by one of my office directors that there was a shooting, possibly a mass shooting, with multiple victims and that we were going to initiate what is called a 'mass casualty incident' or 'disaster drill'," the doctor explained. "Initially I didn't know what she was talking about, many people didn't, and she said 'turn on your T.V'. At that time I did and I started to witness what everyone else in the world was witnessing."


Read more at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/10/07/chief-m-d-of-vegas-hospitals-emergency-department-says-mass-casualty-incident-disaster-drill-was-initiated-after-massacre-took-place/.


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Please tell me he's joking. This is not a realistic assessment of the facts.


Breaking news on TV. Mass shooting 57+ dead. Almost as high as automotive crash deaths in a typical day in the US. Las Vegas Nevad. He shot from a hotel room window down to a big crowd at a music festival. They say the shooter shot himself. According to TV, the shooter's home as been searched and the garage door on his home is completely destroyed. What's up with that?

Enough people were killed to get close to the number of vehicle accident deaths in a typical day in the US, which is around 92.

These kinds of things are usually orchestrated by the government. Why? Gun control? Blaming it Islam?

He probably could have used several an RPGs and done more damage. But he used a gun, which is typically what's done to support the gun control agenda when a bomb could have otherwise been used to do more damage.

Sandy Hook turned out out to be a lie. The school wasn't even open and the victims were all fictitious characters. Is it some kind of government test to see what people will believe?

The target was a County Music concert, not some music festival full of extreme left hippies. If the government was involved in making it happen then they wouldn't want to target their own supporters.

Just think of how things like this happen all the time in Iraq and similar places but when we read about it we don't think much of it. Another 70 people killed in a bombing is just another day.

Is it possible that foreign terrorists actually did this but the police found an innocent man to blame it on? It makes perfect sense if you think about it. They went in, killed the terrorists, then they checked a gun ownership database for all people in the building, which is easily obtained from the all cell phones located in the building. Then they found someone who owned guns, went and got him then put him in the terrorist's room and shot him. This would explain why the news is saying he may have checked in under a false name, since he wouldn't have actually been in that room. And it explains why two windows were broken and how so many people died in such a short time. Audio recordings will tell if multiple guns fired at once. The real terrorists were then smuggled out of the building. The raid of the man's home then fixed any descrepencies of evidence needed to be done. I'm almost sure any security camera recordings were confiscated first thing. Now that all that's covered up the cover story can be used for more gun control, and the terrorist act is defeated in the best way possible way. Even if ISIS claims to be behind the attack, if nobody believes them then it doesn't matter.

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MGM’s Jim Murren and George Soros Are Co-Conspirators In the Mandalay Bay Massacre





MGM owns the Mandalay Bay Hotel. Murren is the CEO of MGM Resorts. And just like Peter Sutherland as well as the CEO of BP, Jim Murren, and their affiliated organizations dumped their stock in the weeks leading up the Mandalay Bay Massacre. As it was with the Gulf, this demonstrates clear foresight of what was to come.

Does a CEO have a right to involve shareholders, employees or customers in his own personal and very radical politics? Jim Murren is affiliated with the darkest groups in America. Murren put MGM in business with an organization with ties to Islamic terrorism, namely, the Southern Poverty Law Center and its creation, Antifa.

Yes, you read the above paragraph correctly. I just got off the phone with an ex-CIA operative, whom I have known for several years and he told me that Murren and colleagues are deep into Antifa (George Soros and the Southern Poverty Law Center). I have another ex-CIA operative, Robert Steele, coming on my show on Sunday evening who will be exploring these links more fully. Now we are finding that there is some documentation that is publicly available to support the allegation that Antifa is making good on its promise to start an American civil war.


Read more at http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/10/07/gms-jim-murren-and-george-soros-are-co-conspirators-in-the-mandalay-bay-massacre/.


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BREAKING: Law enforcement says Las Vegas shooter “did not act alone” … new details





In a stunning statement that adds further weight to many of the questions raised by Natural News and other independent media leaders — the only remaining real journalists in America — Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo publicly affirmed his belief that Stephen Paddock did not act alone.

“…[H]e had to have some help at some point,” Sheriff Lombardo is now quoted as saying by the UK Express.

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Caller on the Michael Savage show describes TWO shooters, including one who walked through the crowd, spraying gunfire in every direction.


Read more at https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-04-breaking-law-enforcement-says-las-vegas-shooter-did-not-act-alone-new-details.html.


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The Las Vegas Shootings




I will just say it upfront: I am extremely cynical of any and all mass shootings—and the one in Las Vegas is no exception. Soon after the shootings, I posted this on my Facebook page:

Some preliminary thoughts:

*How does ONE guy take that many long guns and that much ammunition into a hotel room without being noticed or raising someone's suspicion? Those Vegas casino hotels have cameras everywhere. This is Las Vegas, for heaven's sake. Every staff person in these establishments is trained to be alert for suspicious behavior.

*Witnesses said that "strange" people were going through the crowd prior to the shooting telling folks that they were going to die. What's that all about?

*There were reports of shots coming out of a lower floor window in the hotel. What's that all about? Early reports quoted people saying that there were several shooters. Then later, it was declared that there was only one shooter. This seems to happen in every single mass shooting incident.

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By the way, the media is acting as if the ownership of 28 (or whatever the latest number is) firearms is something far out. That might be true in New Jersey or Massachusetts, but here in Montana it is barely average. Reports say the average home in Montana has 27 guns in it. Heck, there are more guns in the average pickup truck here in Montana than in the average home just about anywhere else.


Read more at http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Opinion/226767-2017-10-05-the-las-vegas-shootings.htm.


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Breaking news on TV. Mass shooting 57+ dead. Almost as high as automotive crash deaths in a typical day in the US. Las Vegas Nevad. He shot from a hotel room window down to a big crowd at a music festival. They say the shooter shot himself. According to TV, the shooter's home as been searched and the garage door on his home is completely destroyed. What's up with that?

Enough people were killed to get close to the number of vehicle accident deaths in a typical day in the US, which is around 92.

These kinds of things are usually orchestrated by the government. Why? Gun control? Blaming it Islam?

He probably could have used several an RPGs and done more damage. But he used a gun, which is typically what's done to support the gun control agenda when a bomb could have otherwise been used to do more damage.

Sandy Hook turned out out to be a lie. The school wasn't even open and the victims were all fictitious characters. Is it some kind of government test to see what people will believe?

The target was a County Music concert, not some music festival full of extreme left hippies. If the government was involved in making it happen then they wouldn't want to target their own supporters.

Just think of how things like this happen all the time in Iraq and similar places but when we read about it we don't think much of it. Another 70 people killed in a bombing is just another day.

Is it possible that foreign terrorists actually did this but the police found an innocent man to blame it on? It makes perfect sense if you think about it. They went in, killed the terrorists, then they checked a gun ownership database for all people in the building, which is easily obtained from the all cell phones located in the building. Then they found someone who owned guns, went and got him then put him in the terrorist's room and shot him. This would explain why the news is saying he may have checked in under a false name, since he wouldn't have actually been in that room. And it explains why two windows were broken and how so many people died in such a short time. Audio recordings will tell if multiple guns fired at once. The real terrorists were then smuggled out of the building. The raid of the man's home then fixed any descrepencies of evidence needed to be done. I'm almost sure any security camera recordings were confiscated first thing. Now that all that's covered up the cover story can be used for more gun control, and the terrorist act is defeated in the best way possible way. Even if ISIS claims to be behind the attack, if nobody believes them then it doesn't matter.

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Neighbor of Las Vegas Shooter Claims He Didn't Do It





Neighbor of Las Vegas Shooter Claims He Didn't Do It

Editorial comment:  While it is still too early to know everything that happend.  It is always prudent to take a look at what the Fake News is not reporting.  All too often the original version of the story is proven wrong to fit a narrative.

The question is what narrative are we being socially engineered towards and by whom?

We do not know for certain if this was a false flag or not, but regardless this is a story that needs to be heard.  Always be vigilant.  Always be skeptical… And always question the government's version of the story.

"The duty of a true Patriot is to protect his country from its government." Thomas Paine



Originally reported by Paul Joseph Watson of infowars.com

A caller to the Michael Savage radio show who says he was neighbors with Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock asserts that Paddock could not have carried out the massacre and that it was actually a "set-up".

The man, a former Marine who called himself Rick, says he was Paddock's neighbor between December 2015 and June 2016 in Mesquite, Nevada.

"I can tell you 100% this is not that kind of guy," said Rick, adding that he would see Paddock every other day and that the two would go to a local bar and play slot machines.


Michael Savage interviews the neighbor of the shooter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZeiunoX7bY


"He never even told me that he owned a gun," continued the shooter's neighbor, adding that Paddock did not express any religious or political opinions during their conversations.

"I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but it don't sit right," said Rick, before making the extraordinary claim that the whole shooting was a "set up" and that Paddock's body may have been left in the hotel room while other assailants carried out the shooting.

For the full story click here


Read more at http://thelibertarianadvisor.com/2017/10/03/neighbor-of-las-vegas-shooter-claims-he-didnt-do-it/.


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The answer is basic. Here is a simple example.

Imagine you are driving your neighbor to work a couple times a week. Every time, your neighbor asks that you stop at the local convenience store to pick up a bottle of water to drink at work. If your neighbor robs the convenience store while you are in the car waiting, and especially if your neighbor kills someone in the store during the robbery, as you drive away, are you not an accomplice to both the robbery and the murder? The law will look at it as though you are, and you just might have a very difficult time explaining your way out of it.

In other words, the hotel across the street was an accomplice.

In Arizona and some other states where it is free to open or conceal carry, the law states that, if a place of business wants to deprive you of your right to bring weapons into their building, onto their premises, they need to provide lock-boxes for you to place your weapons into, and also provide the security for you that you would have done for yourself if they had allowed you to keep your gun.

If hotels and businesses took security serious, they would provide some REAL security, and check their "guests'" luggage for weapons thoroughly.

The hotel might be considered innocent by standard law. But if people wake up to what is going on, they just might be able to sue the hotel for $zillions in damages. Security just might become an individual thing for all business. And, as somebody mentioned above, arm the populace so that they can protect themselves (It's the people that are too chicken to arm themselves; they would rather die in mass shootings like this.).

Roughly 95% of the people are good people who would never harm anyone. Even among the 5% of bad people, only a few would ever do something like this. If everyone wore a gun strapped to his thigh, people would learn to respect each other, and most of the 5% would be too scared to try anything against the people at all. The few who did would be dead in short order.

Gun respect with an armed populace might take a bit of time to get going... because of how far away from self-protection the people have moved. It will take a while for them to get used to it once it is started. But get used to it, or die. Why? Because gun control means slavery. Death is the greatest form of slavery, because you can't even wiggle in the grave.

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So you are saying people should not miss this great opportunity to make money for their lawyers? Since I grew up with Christian values, I have a hard time understanding this type of mindset, looking to make a quick buck, turning death into a profit, etc, but I can understand it is useful for some people...


Are you telling me what I am saying? Or are you asking me? If you are asking, did I say anything about lawyers? Part of the mindset of people is to turn to lawyers when they shouldn't. People have been brainwashed into thinking that lawyers have to be part of the deal, just like they have been brainwashed into thinking that the police will protect them. Just ask these dead and injured how much protection they got from the police. Just look at the people in prison to see how much protection they got from their lawyers.

The Christian way is to forgive an injury done between "brothers." This doesn't include public mass shootings. The church has brainwashed you into wrong thinking. Why? Because it is an arm of the Government - it has a Government 501 c 3 number. Let the brainwashing continue until you are fully within Government slavery.

Gun control brings death = full slavery.

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Are you telling me what the Bible is saying? Or are you asking me what an infidel is? No such thing as to not help a non Christian in the bible, and I read the Bible ions ago. Obviously the people will have to hire lawyers if they want to sue a multi billion hotel business, that is reality.

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Now if only we could talk about the victims, lots of them Christians Trump supporters, and the real criminal, the killer.


No, they don't have to hire lawyers. That kind of thinking is brainwashing done by the legal system.

Obviously, there is no way to repay for loss of life as done in this tragedy. What does that have to do with not helping a non-Christian? Why do you even bring this up?

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You said "The Christian way is to forgive an injury done between "brothers." This doesn't include public mass shootings. " I say there is not way for a Christian to know who is a brother or not a brother and should help everybody.
Wow! Hey, thanks for the insight. No, I mean insight into you. I mean, if you think that somebody opening fire on you and a bunch of non-aggression, unarmed people is brotherly or neighborly or godly, please let me know when you are nearby. I don't mean you any ill will. But your ideals there are a bit frightening, and I want to steer a course away from you.



This is how I feel from all those years spending my time on Po&So: We can believe we are good or we can believe we are bad from birth. That is pretty much what you see here and in real life, no matter the shape this takes. I believe we are good from birth, but that is not a way for me to make money or to control other people's life through taxation, or the way they breathe, or the way they've chosen to defend themselves. Common laws are the natural law of creation, but a multi billion hotel that can hire goons to threaten your children is not "good". You have to have lawyers because it is reality, even if we should not have to. This is where they get you, not because you won't crack but because they know you'll not let people you love be a pressure control device against you.
As I said, your brainwashing makes you think that you need lawyers. To see that you don't, Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law." Watch the short video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10, and if you are interested after that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.



Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's
Sounds like Somebody is acknowledging the power of State and taxation.


Well, since you are acknowledging the power of the state and taxation, it helps one to understand why you would think that a shooter is your brother, and that Christianity even says so.


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I am acknowledging that... the Bible is acknowledging the State should not keep people from worshiping God. I did not write the Bible. If I am a true Christian I then believe angels are there to shield me and my family, and to fight off and destroy demons. My job is to tell the shooter he should save his soul, he should stop killing. If he kills me my soul is safe. That's pretty much what the Bible (the New Testament) is telling me.

Of course I will have two angels to protect and shield me from demons like the shooter: Archangel Smith and Archangel Wesson...

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Just a random psycho? A random wolf running alone slaughtering people...
This is madness whether it has a relation to religions or not and whether it will be used for gun control or not!
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The answer is basic. Here is a simple example.

Imagine you are driving your neighbor to work a couple times a week. Every time, your neighbor asks that you stop at the local convenience store to pick up a bottle of water to drink at work. If your neighbor robs the convenience store while you are in the car waiting, and especially if your neighbor kills someone in the store during the robbery, as you drive away, are you not an accomplice to both the robbery and the murder? The law will look at it as though you are, and you just might have a very difficult time explaining your way out of it.

In other words, the hotel across the street was an accomplice.

In Arizona and some other states where it is free to open or conceal carry, the law states that, if a place of business wants to deprive you of your right to bring weapons into their building, onto their premises, they need to provide lock-boxes for you to place your weapons into, and also provide the security for you that you would have done for yourself if they had allowed you to keep your gun.

If hotels and businesses took security serious, they would provide some REAL security, and check their "guests'" luggage for weapons thoroughly.

The hotel might be considered innocent by standard law. But if people wake up to what is going on, they just might be able to sue the hotel for $zillions in damages. Security just might become an individual thing for all business. And, as somebody mentioned above, arm the populace so that they can protect themselves (It's the people that are too chicken to arm themselves; they would rather die in mass shootings like this.).

Roughly 95% of the people are good people who would never harm anyone. Even among the 5% of bad people, only a few would ever do something like this. If everyone wore a gun strapped to his thigh, people would learn to respect each other, and most of the 5% would be too scared to try anything against the people at all. The few who did would be dead in short order.

Gun respect with an armed populace might take a bit of time to get going... because of how far away from self-protection the people have moved. It will take a while for them to get used to it once it is started. But get used to it, or die. Why? Because gun control means slavery. Death is the greatest form of slavery, because you can't even wiggle in the grave.

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So you are saying people should not miss this great opportunity to make money for their lawyers? Since I grew up with Christian values, I have a hard time understanding this type of mindset, looking to make a quick buck, turning death into a profit, etc, but I can understand it is useful for some people...


Are you telling me what I am saying? Or are you asking me? If you are asking, did I say anything about lawyers? Part of the mindset of people is to turn to lawyers when they shouldn't. People have been brainwashed into thinking that lawyers have to be part of the deal, just like they have been brainwashed into thinking that the police will protect them. Just ask these dead and injured how much protection they got from the police. Just look at the people in prison to see how much protection they got from their lawyers.

The Christian way is to forgive an injury done between "brothers." This doesn't include public mass shootings. The church has brainwashed you into wrong thinking. Why? Because it is an arm of the Government - it has a Government 501 c 3 number. Let the brainwashing continue until you are fully within Government slavery.

Gun control brings death = full slavery.

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Are you telling me what the Bible is saying? Or are you asking me what an infidel is? No such thing as to not help a non Christian in the bible, and I read the Bible ions ago. Obviously the people will have to hire lawyers if they want to sue a multi billion hotel business, that is reality.

 Smiley

Now if only we could talk about the victims, lots of them Christians Trump supporters, and the real criminal, the killer.


No, they don't have to hire lawyers. That kind of thinking is brainwashing done by the legal system.

Obviously, there is no way to repay for loss of life as done in this tragedy. What does that have to do with not helping a non-Christian? Why do you even bring this up?

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You said "The Christian way is to forgive an injury done between "brothers." This doesn't include public mass shootings. " I say there is not way for a Christian to know who is a brother or not a brother and should help everybody.
Wow! Hey, thanks for the insight. No, I mean insight into you. I mean, if you think that somebody opening fire on you and a bunch of non-aggression, unarmed people is brotherly or neighborly or godly, please let me know when you are nearby. I don't mean you any ill will. But your ideals there are a bit frightening, and I want to steer a course away from you.



This is how I feel from all those years spending my time on Po&So: We can believe we are good or we can believe we are bad from birth. That is pretty much what you see here and in real life, no matter the shape this takes. I believe we are good from birth, but that is not a way for me to make money or to control other people's life through taxation, or the way they breathe, or the way they've chosen to defend themselves. Common laws are the natural law of creation, but a multi billion hotel that can hire goons to threaten your children is not "good". You have to have lawyers because it is reality, even if we should not have to. This is where they get you, not because you won't crack but because they know you'll not let people you love be a pressure control device against you.
As I said, your brainwashing makes you think that you need lawyers. To see that you don't, Google and Youtube search on "Karl Lentz common law." Watch the short video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10, and if you are interested after that, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN3MI70PFBw.



Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's
Sounds like Somebody is acknowledging the power of State and taxation.


Well, since you are acknowledging the power of the state and taxation, it helps one to understand why you would think that a shooter is your brother, and that Christianity even says so.

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Breaking news on TV. Mass shooting 50+ dead. Las Vegas Nevad. He shot from a hotel room window down to a big crowd at a music festival. They say the shooter shot himself. According to TV, the shooter's home as been searched and the garage door on his home is completely destroyed. What's up with that?

These kinds of things are usually orchestrated by the government. Why? Gun control? Blaming it Islam?

He probably could have used several an RPGs and done more damage. But he used a gun, which is typically what's done to support the gun control agenda when a bomb could have otherwise been used to do more damage.

Sandy Hook turned out out to be a lie. The school wasn't even open and the victims were all fictitious characters. Is it some kind of government test to see what people will believe?

The target was a County Music concert, not some music festival full of extreme left hippies. If the government was involved in making it happen then they wouldn't want to target their own supporters.

Just think of how things like this happen all the time in Iraq and similar places but when we read about it we don't think much of it. Another 70 people killed in a bombing is just another day.

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the shootings can be categorized acts of terrorism in public places, it shows that not all acts of terrorism are done by the Muslims, because usually the media always assess that the perpetrators of terror acts are always the Muslims, the media always cover news such as this news, the news ordinary unlike if there is a Muslim who do shoot or war that always considered terrorist.
I personally condemn the shootings, regardless of religion we can not judge acts of violence or terrorism on the basis of what their religion is, only the wrong perpetrators, not the religion.
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And if there was only one shooter, then why are there two windows smashed?  Shocked

I imagine the shooter very quickly lost sight and had difficulty breathing due to the amount of rounds he was firing off, requiring him to find another vantage point.
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Supposedly the shooter sprayed the crowd from his hotel window on the 32nd floor.

Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas. Thick tinted, insulated plate glass windows that can't be opened from the inside. Completely sealed. For climate control purposes as well as to deter jumpers. For someone to shoot out or smash those windows, it would make one hell of a noise. Not to mention the shards of glass raining down into the streets below, hitting anyone in it's path. At least someone would see it or hear it, either inside the hotel or on the street. But no one did.

But what if... the window was still completely intact during the shooting?

Photo from the night during the shooting:
https://i.imgur.com/A2PDtbQ.jpg

Photo of the next morning:
http://i.imgur.com/jbyxsnO.jpg

And if there was only one shooter, then why are there two windows smashed?  Shocked
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We should pray for Devine intervention as the most secure countries in the world are having this high rate of insecurity. I do pray for the soul of the departed to rest in peace.

Amen.


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We should pray for Devine intervention as the most secure countries in the world are having this high rate of insecurity. I do pray for the soul of the departed to rest in peace.
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United states of america is the biggest creator of ongoing terrorism on earth. There is not the shadow of a doubt that this brutally horrible attack was orchestrated by United States' official forces . This brutal reality is so saddening.
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The answer is basic. Here is a simple example.

Imagine you are driving your neighbor to work a couple times a week. Every time, your neighbor asks that you stop at the local convenience store to pick up a bottle of water to drink at work. If your neighbor robs the convenience store while you are in the car waiting, and especially if your neighbor kills someone in the store during the robbery, as you drive away, are you not an accomplice to both the robbery and the murder? The law will look at it as though you are, and you just might have a very difficult time explaining your way out of it.

In other words, the hotel across the street was an accomplice.

In Arizona and some other states where it is free to open or conceal carry, the law states that, if a place of business wants to deprive you of your right to bring weapons into their building, onto their premises, they need to provide lock-boxes for you to place your weapons into, and also provide the security for you that you would have done for yourself if they had allowed you to keep your gun.

If hotels and businesses took security serious, they would provide some REAL security, and check their "guests'" luggage for weapons thoroughly.

The hotel might be considered innocent by standard law. But if people wake up to what is going on, they just might be able to sue the hotel for $zillions in damages. Security just might become an individual thing for all business. And, as somebody mentioned above, arm the populace so that they can protect themselves (It's the people that are too chicken to arm themselves; they would rather die in mass shootings like this.).

Roughly 95% of the people are good people who would never harm anyone. Even among the 5% of bad people, only a few would ever do something like this. If everyone wore a gun strapped to his thigh, people would learn to respect each other, and most of the 5% would be too scared to try anything against the people at all. The few who did would be dead in short order.

Gun respect with an armed populace might take a bit of time to get going... because of how far away from self-protection the people have moved. It will take a while for them to get used to it once it is started. But get used to it, or die. Why? Because gun control means slavery. Death is the greatest form of slavery, because you can't even wiggle in the grave.

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Why would I want to vote against Trump but for people like that? Sad.


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The dust hasn't even settled and you are already claiming a conspiracy theory. It's sad that some people are so disillusioned with reality that they have to make up stories to get attention or try to antagonize others. I feel bad that your life is so sad that you have to pounce on tragedies like this.

Often the first news out is the most accurate. They as the days pass they try to change the story.

You're the one who is sad. At the end of it you'll go around voting for gun grabbers and accusing people who believe in self defense of being mentally unstable saying that such people are likely to go crazy and shoot people. In reality there is no way to know who shot from the hotel and the accused shooter is dead and has no defense. You have to trust the Las Vegas police. Everything you know of comes through them. If they lie then the whole story can be a lie. Somebody could shoot from that window, then shoot a scape goat and claim that he did it then leave.

The news says that he had 10 guns on his bed, and that would be coming through the police. Very strange. That's way more guns than necessary. Sounds like something that would be done for a political reason like gun control and getting the public to be fearful of people who have an interest in guns, since they will often own many different kinds.
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As @allthingsluxury said let wait to get more proof before we can jump into conclusion.
 


You two are fucktarded idiots.

I hop3 n3xt time muslim pigs will get you.
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The dust hasn't even settled and you are already claiming a conspiracy theory. It's sad that some people are so disillusioned with reality that they have to make up stories to get attention or try to antagonize others. I feel bad that your life is so sad that you have to pounce on tragedies like this.
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As @allthingsluxury said let wait to get more proof before we can jump into conclusion.
I got fooled by 9/11 believing the official story at first. Not falling for that again!!!!
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Gun free zones mother fuckas.

If we just had 2 niggas with a gun there they would have shot dead that muslim pig in half a second.
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As @allthingsluxury said let wait to get more proof before we can jump into conclusion.
 
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Given that it was a white American citizen I don't think they will be blaming it on Islam or even labelling it as a terror incident.
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We shall see... Need much more proof.
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Breaking news on TV. Mass shooting 57+ dead. Almost as high as automotive crash deaths in a typical day in the US. Las Vegas Nevad. He shot from a hotel room window down to a big crowd at a music festival. They say the shooter shot himself. According to TV, the shooter's home as been searched and the garage door on his home is completely destroyed. What's up with that?

Enough people were killed to get close to the number of vehicle accident deaths in a typical day in the US, which is around 92.

These kinds of things are usually orchestrated by the government. Why? Gun control? Blaming it Islam?

He probably could have used several an RPGs and done more damage. But he used a gun, which is typically what's done to support the gun control agenda when a bomb could have otherwise been used to do more damage.

Sandy Hook turned out out to be a lie. The school wasn't even open and the victims were all fictitious characters. Is it some kind of government test to see what people will believe?

The target was a County Music concert, not some music festival full of extreme left hippies. If the government was involved in making it happen then they wouldn't want to target their own supporters.

Just think of how things like this happen all the time in Iraq and similar places but when we read about it we don't think much of it. Another 70 people killed in a bombing is just another day.

Is it possible that foreign terrorists actually did this but the police found an innocent man to blame it on? It makes perfect sense if you think about it. They went in, killed the terrorists, then they checked a gun ownership database for all people in the building, which is easily obtained from the all cell phones located in the building. Then they found someone who owned guns, went and got him then put him in the terrorist's room and shot him. This would explain why the news is saying he may have checked in under a false name, since he wouldn't have actually been in that room. And it explains why two windows were broken and how so many people died in such a short time. Audio recordings will tell if multiple guns fired at once. The real terrorists were then smuggled out of the building. The raid of the man's home then fixed any descrepencies of evidence needed to be done. I'm almost sure any security camera recordings were confiscated first thing. Now that all that's covered up the cover story can be used for more gun control, and the terrorist act is defeated in the best way possible way. Even if ISIS claims to be behind the attack, if nobody believes them then it doesn't matter.

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