Topic: BTCFPGA - NO BAsics - Confirmed | All Orders will be refunded (hopefully) (Read 8893 times)
January 26, 2013, 10:52:16 AM
still waiting on CC refund for 2 weeks now DAVE, sent email and politely asked for a refund. Still nothing from Dave or Tom about status. Some communication would be nice.
January 25, 2013, 08:56:06 PM
Whatever Tom was paying you Dave it likely wasn't enough. Though bad, this would have been a Halloween nightmare without your involvement.
Considering he was being paid BTC taken from the community to provide customer support to
January 25, 2013, 02:20:26 PM
Whatever Tom was paying you Dave it likely wasn't enough. Though bad, this would have been a Halloween nightmare without your involvement.
January 25, 2013, 02:09:43 PM
Yep, just the confirmation/ proof about what dave said on the official forum 
January 25, 2013, 02:07:41 PM
Well then, new information.
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1051.msg3108;boardseen#new
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1051.msg3108;boardseen#new
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I've been focusing on refunding the CC orders in our system. The main reason for doing them first is that its something I can directly do quickly to drastically reduce the number of people waiting for refunds. There were far more CC orders than BTC orders also, so its the bulk of the work. Today, I will finish refunding CC orders from both btcfpga.com and bitcoinasic.com. I estimate that there are only about 140 CC orders left to refund.
I've got about 75 BTC orders that were already submitted for refunds, but need to be reconciled to see which were paid out. Another 150 BTC orders yet to process for refund, which means tracking down a payment address, calculating the refund amount, etc. This is a slower process.
Among those remaining orders are some that were paid via wire transfer, Google Wallet, Dwolla or some other method. Those special cases will also be dealt with during the BTC refund work.
I've got about 75 BTC orders that were already submitted for refunds, but need to be reconciled to see which were paid out. Another 150 BTC orders yet to process for refund, which means tracking down a payment address, calculating the refund amount, etc. This is a slower process.
Among those remaining orders are some that were paid via wire transfer, Google Wallet, Dwolla or some other method. Those special cases will also be dealt with during the BTC refund work.
January 25, 2013, 01:57:45 PM
because the information is still fresh, said yesterday
January 25, 2013, 01:54:09 PM
I said that Dave assumes that there is not enough money, because Dave said that they already tried to do cc refunds but there wasn't enough money!
Now we can say that Tom needs to put more money on the refund bank acc, so the cc refund people get their money!
Now we can say that Tom needs to put more money on the refund bank acc, so the cc refund people get their money!
Why are you quoting information that is over a week old as if it news information?
January 25, 2013, 01:33:43 PM
I said that Dave assumes that there is not enough money, because Dave said that they already tried to do cc refunds but there wasn't enough money!
Now we can say that Tom needs to put more money on the refund bank acc, so the cc refund people get their money!
Now we can say that Tom needs to put more money on the refund bank acc, so the cc refund people get their money!
i understand your just as impatient as the rest of us, but Tom priority needs to be BTC refunds. Fuck you gd credit card, do a charge back.
January 25, 2013, 11:19:23 AM
I said that Dave assumes that there is not enough money, because Dave said that they already tried to do cc refunds but there wasn't enough money!
Now we can say that Tom needs to put more money on the refund bank acc, so the cc refund people get their money!
Now we can say that Tom needs to put more money on the refund bank acc, so the cc refund people get their money!
January 25, 2013, 11:17:42 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
I have reputable information that first all CC Refunds will be taken and after that the Bitcoin ones! The problem is that the bank for cc refunds does have not enough money, so the problem is TOM needs to provide more money, atm we don't have any sign how much money will be provided for the cc refunds, the btc ones need to wait!
Last written in IRC yesterday from Dave directly, that he is working first on CC refunds and after that on BTC refunds!
He was assuming this! Dave said that!
January 25, 2013, 11:13:20 AM
Communication is absolutely vital here. Simply changing order status without updating customers is bad mojo in this toxic environment. Instead of wasting time typing stuff to a handful of customers in IRC, type it in a mass email and/or forum post. While this:
Posted by buzzdave January 24, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1050.0
...is better than nothing, it lacks specificity utterly. It's precisely this kind of generic posts that created the tidal wave of refunds.
Posted by buzzdave January 24, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
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Confirmed. I will see to it that all refunds are processed.
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1050.0
...is better than nothing, it lacks specificity utterly. It's precisely this kind of generic posts that created the tidal wave of refunds.
You are absolutly right, but lets hope Tom is doing fine and does not flee away with all the money lol
January 25, 2013, 11:00:10 AM
Communication is absolutely vital here. Simply changing order status without updating customers is bad mojo in this toxic environment. Instead of wasting time typing stuff to a handful of customers in IRC, type it in a mass email and/or forum post. While this:
Posted by buzzdave January 24, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1050.0
...is better than nothing, it lacks specificity utterly. It's precisely this kind of generic posts that created the tidal wave of refunds.
Posted by buzzdave January 24, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
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Confirmed. I will see to it that all refunds are processed.
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1050.0
...is better than nothing, it lacks specificity utterly. It's precisely this kind of generic posts that created the tidal wave of refunds.
January 25, 2013, 10:43:32 AM
@ CreativeX:
The reason why e-mail is not possible is REALLY easy understanble:
Hundreds of spam mails
Thousands of trials to reach them
The result: COmplete refund action where no communication is needed, so the amount of work for refund shall be low!
The reason why e-mail is not possible is REALLY easy understanble:
Hundreds of spam mails
Thousands of trials to reach them
The result: COmplete refund action where no communication is needed, so the amount of work for refund shall be low!
January 25, 2013, 10:28:49 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
I have reputable information that first all CC Refunds will be taken and after that the Bitcoin ones! The problem is that the bank for cc refunds does have not enough money, so the problem is TOM needs to provide more money, atm we don't have any sign how much money will be provided for the cc refunds, the btc ones need to wait!
Last written in IRC yesterday from Dave directly, that he is working first on CC refunds and after that on BTC refunds!
Can't for the life of me understand why Tom & Dave think IRC is an acceptable alternative to emails or forum posts. Total communication fail.
January 25, 2013, 10:19:14 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
I have reputable information that first all CC Refunds will be taken and after that the Bitcoin ones! The problem is that the bank for cc refunds does have not enough money, so the problem is TOM needs to provide more money, atm we don't have any sign how much money will be provided for the cc refunds, the btc ones need to wait!
Last written in IRC yesterday from Dave directly, that he is working first on CC refunds and after that on BTC refunds!
He was assuming this! Dave said that!
January 25, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
I have reputable information that first all CC Refunds will be taken and after that the Bitcoin ones! The problem is that the bank for cc refunds does have not enough money, so the problem is TOM needs to provide more money, atm we don't have any sign how much money will be provided for the cc refunds, the btc ones need to wait!
Last written in IRC yesterday from Dave directly, that he is working first on CC refunds and after that on BTC refunds!
January 25, 2013, 09:35:37 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
I have reputable information that first all CC Refunds will be taken and after that the Bitcoin ones! The problem is that the bank for cc refunds does have not enough money, so the problem is TOM needs to provide more money, atm we don't have any sign how much money will be provided for the cc refunds, the btc ones need to wait!
Last written in IRC yesterday from Dave directly, that he is working first on CC refunds and after that on BTC refunds!
January 25, 2013, 09:31:27 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
I have reputable information that first all CC Refunds will be taken and after that the Bitcoin ones! The problem is that the bank for cc refunds does have not enough money, so the problem is TOM needs to provide more money, atm we don't have any sign how much money will be provided for the cc refunds, the btc ones need to wait!
January 25, 2013, 09:28:45 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
I have reputable information that first all CC Refunds will be taken and after that the Bitcoin ones! The problem is that the bank for cc refunds does have not enough money, so the problem is TOM needs to provide more money, atm we don't have any sign how much money will be provided for the cc refunds, the btc ones need to wait!
January 25, 2013, 01:49:56 AM
Any positive sightings of Bitcoin refunds? I'm holding on to faith that those of us who have put our trust fully in this new currency by attempting to purchase mining equipment with Bitcoin (thereby completing a theoretical loop) will not be left in the cold.
January 25, 2013, 01:08:42 AM
I saw that render and laughed my ass off. That should have been a red flag to anyone with a pre-order.
January 24, 2013, 11:27:44 PM
I wish they would have made one of these..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/eagleuptestboardtop.png/
the mod miner octa!!!
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/eagleuptestboardtop.png/
the mod miner octa!!!
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Rock stars get room keys, I get business cards. Wherever I go I meet innovators of wind power equipment and solar energy operators.
-Thomas Friedman
-Thomas Friedman
Row of fans, sans a box.
January 24, 2013, 11:13:28 PM
I wish they would have made one of these..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/eagleuptestboardtop.png/
the mod miner octa!!!
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/eagleuptestboardtop.png/
the mod miner octa!!!
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Rock stars get room keys, I get business cards. Wherever I go I meet innovators of wind power equipment and solar energy operators.
-Thomas Friedman
-Thomas Friedman
Row of fans, sans a box.
January 24, 2013, 09:54:07 PM
This will be the third time I've brought this up and still haven't seen it answered.
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BTCFPGA is a grassroots organization that was founded from within the Bitcoin community in May of 2012. It was founded by Thomas Van Riper and Stehen Cupp (cablepair & stcupp) and otherwise created, contributed to and financed by other Bitcoin early adopters and mining enthusiasts who had a vision;
Where does Stehen Cupp (stcupp) fit in in all this?
If it's a "grass roots organisation" then liability for the actions of BTCFPGA may well extend to the other members of that organisation. For something "grass roots" it's extremely opaque.
January 24, 2013, 09:34:44 PM
I wish they would have made one of these..
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/eagleuptestboardtop.png/
the mod miner octa!!!
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/10/eagleuptestboardtop.png/
the mod miner octa!!!
January 24, 2013, 09:29:14 PM
Where does Stehen Cupp (stcupp) fit in in all this?
Im pretty sure he (stcupp) was the designer of the modminer.
Correct. I always got a chuckle out of cablepair when he'd talk as if he had some sort of hand in it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/free-4xspartan-6-diy-design-and-schematics-67997
January 24, 2013, 09:23:42 PM
Deadline for me is 1 week for CC refund, and If I see NO money, next project will be class action suit
Cute. I very much doubt BTCFPGA has collected 5 million bucks which would be the minimum amount for class action.
Not to mention the problem of getting both a cause of action and a class certified. Class actions are pointless unless you have a plaintiff with deep pockets and there's a good chance of a substantial award of punitive damages. They suck as a means of debt collection and were never intended to be used for that purpose.
I can't even recall whether there was an LLC formed for the bASIC project. It would be kind of interesting to know its legal structure and whether Tom is actually the only one with legal liability in respect of the project.
This will be the third time I've brought this up and still haven't seen it answered.
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BTCFPGA is a grassroots organization that was founded from within the Bitcoin community in May of 2012. It was founded by Thomas Van Riper and Stehen Cupp (cablepair & stcupp) and otherwise created, contributed to and financed by other Bitcoin early adopters and mining enthusiasts who had a vision;
Where does Stehen Cupp (stcupp) fit in in all this?
Im pretty sure he (stcupp) was the designer of the modminer.
January 24, 2013, 09:18:49 PM
Deadline for me is 1 week for CC refund, and If I see NO money, next project will be class action suit
Cute. I very much doubt BTCFPGA has collected 5 million bucks which would be the minimum amount for class action.
Not to mention the problem of getting both a cause of action and a class certified. Class actions are pointless unless you have a plaintiff with deep pockets and there's a good chance of a substantial award of punitive damages. They suck as a means of debt collection and were never intended to be used for that purpose.
I can't even recall whether there was an LLC formed for the bASIC project. It would be kind of interesting to know its legal structure and whether Tom is actually the only one with legal liability in respect of the project.
This will be the third time I've brought this up and still haven't seen it answered.
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BTCFPGA is a grassroots organization that was founded from within the Bitcoin community in May of 2012. It was founded by Thomas Van Riper and Stehen Cupp (cablepair & stcupp) and otherwise created, contributed to and financed by other Bitcoin early adopters and mining enthusiasts who had a vision;
Where does Stehen Cupp (stcupp) fit in in all this?
January 24, 2013, 08:33:38 PM
Deadline for me is 1 week for CC refund, and If I see NO money, next project will be class action suit
Cute. I very much doubt BTCFPGA has collected 5 million bucks which would be the minimum amount for class action.
Not to mention the problem of getting both a cause of action and a class certified. Class actions are pointless unless you have a plaintiff with deep pockets and there's a good chance of a substantial award of punitive damages. They suck as a means of debt collection and were never intended to be used for that purpose.
I can't even recall whether there was an LLC formed for the bASIC project. It would be kind of interesting to know its legal structure and whether Tom is actually the only one with legal liability in respect of the project.
Edit. Looks like they are, indeed, an LLC.
January 24, 2013, 07:22:54 PM
Deadline for me is 1 week for CC refund, and If I see NO money, next project will be class action suit
Cute. I very much doubt BTCFPGA has collected 5 million bucks which would be the minimum amount for class action.
January 24, 2013, 06:14:28 PM
Unitl there is NO money income proof ,it can not be guaranteed!!!
January 24, 2013, 06:11:02 PM
Half of my order is done (refunded) This just came in today, I provided no extra information whatsoever. They will refund automatically when they arrive on your order ID. Have patience people.
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Order ID: 983
Date Ordered: 02/10/2012
Your order has been updated to the following status:
Refunded
To view your order click on the link below:
http://www.btcfpga.com/index.php?route=account/order/info&order_id=983
The comments for your order are:
Hello bASIC customer. We are sorry to inform you that the project has been cancelled, and your credit card charge has been refunded. Expect to see funds arrive to your account in 3-5 business days. Thank you for your support and understanding.
The bASIC Team
Please reply to this email if you have any questions.
Date Ordered: 02/10/2012
Your order has been updated to the following status:
Refunded
To view your order click on the link below:
http://www.btcfpga.com/index.php?route=account/order/info&order_id=983
The comments for your order are:
Hello bASIC customer. We are sorry to inform you that the project has been cancelled, and your credit card charge has been refunded. Expect to see funds arrive to your account in 3-5 business days. Thank you for your support and understanding.
The bASIC Team
Please reply to this email if you have any questions.
January 24, 2013, 03:33:57 PM
As some people read, there won't be any BAsics
Proof:
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0
And on IRC:
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5936/ordercancel.jpg
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So nobody will get BAsics! The problem is, people got before the big REFUND action their money, anyone before the 20th of january should have their money.
The big problem is now, what about people after 20th of January!
ANYONE who got Refund after 20th of January please provide information here!
My theory is, all money is GONE! *cough cough*
Deadline for me is 1 week for CC refund, and If I see NO money, next project will be class action suit
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Its still just a theory that the massive refund action killed BTCFPGA! We won't have 100% trustfull proof!
Besides that the BTC price is riskly high, BTCFPGA is getting a heavy loss! How can this be hold?
SOLUTION ATM:
GET REFUND via $ that would give to EVERYONE more
What about BFL and Avalon?
Proof:
https://www.btcfpga.com/forum/index.php?topic=1048.0
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EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER WILL BE REFUNDED. PERIOD.
And on IRC:
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/5936/ordercancel.jpg
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So nobody will get BAsics! The problem is, people got before the big REFUND action their money, anyone before the 20th of january should have their money.
The big problem is now, what about people after 20th of January!
ANYONE who got Refund after 20th of January please provide information here!
My theory is, all money is GONE! *cough cough*
Deadline for me is 1 week for CC refund, and If I see NO money, next project will be class action suit
----------------
Its still just a theory that the massive refund action killed BTCFPGA! We won't have 100% trustfull proof!
Besides that the BTC price is riskly high, BTCFPGA is getting a heavy loss! How can this be hold?
SOLUTION ATM:
GET REFUND via $ that would give to EVERYONE more
What about BFL and Avalon?
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