Topic: BTCJam for Security Consultation Business Project (Read 1222 times)

Haven't read the "lending' section in about a week...this has to be one of the most entertaining threads I missed.
 

If they are a Ponzi scheme then they are obviously going to go to prison.

Do you see the guy on the right in their header? I asked who it is and the rep said it is their CEO.

You really think he is going to be that transparent and lie and gain a handful of $100,000+ investors just go to end up going to prison?

He appears to be like an intelligent man.

I checked out the Perfectmoney credit exchange and it is indeed real. I have a lot of experience with recognizing scams and I am also extremely skeptical.

He's obviously going to go to prison for dozens of years because he has over $15 million in investments already.

The representative wouldn't go as far to lie for the CEO to say that she invested $2600 of her own money to see a return....

If these guys are that shady (which I always consider in the equation) then they're going to be absolutely screwed....

Do you even realize how much analysis and research that I do?

I like to give people who appear intelligent like their CEO the benefit of the doubt... because a man like that does not look like he's going to prison anytime soon....

I hope you do logic/reasoning.... as opposed to skepticism to a complete fault without analyzing everything fully and thoroughly

I don't like or value people who condescend without thinking about things outside of their perspectives

the Seychelles Government system works with the FBI and they are beyond fucking screwed if they are a "Ponzi" scheme

http://www.seychellesnewsagency.com/articles/234/Seychelles+seizes+over++thousand+linked+to+cyber+crime+gang+sought+by+FBI

If you can not see that Profitlender is a HYIP scam, because they told you so  . You do not need a loan or to hold anyones assets.

lmao of course a ponzi would say it isn't one.  It's listed on WOT as a HYIP scam, that is enough right there to kill any legitimacy.
"I don't look back anymore. I don't regret. I look forward. Everything is connected, and I'll use that to expose, to protect, and if necessary, to punish."
―Aiden Pearce, Watch_Dogs

Kinda fits

Are you sure that Profitlender is a Ponzi!?!?!? They were adamant about making money with short term loans with the Perfectmoney credit exchange....

I even mentioned the FBI and SEC with them and asked if they were a Ponzi and they were very confident they are not.

I asked if their larger investors cover all of their lower investors and they were confident about it....

If they really are a Ponzi, they can't get away with it because they are in Seychelles and are extremely uptight on the laws over there esp about this cyber stuff...

They are a little misleading... That 103% return is actually really only a 3% profit.... so they are essentially looking for investors that can invest $10k or more

I compiled a report of over 1,000 people paid out with their investments being from $50 to $1,000 but the larger investors haven't been saying anything

I need to confirm this so I know whether or not to scrap this idea or not....

WTF... lol... You left me with this nasty comment which you know isn't true though!

Hell no, it's my first neg and I'm proud of it

how about we both come out winners, coldgamer, and we both remove our negative feedbacks on one another?

After this, I will close this thread and think of a better plan. 

Hmmm good points... I do have one other person i am working with though who wants to help do the leg work.... e-mailing and calling....

Ok truly one last post after seeing this.

But really get a lawyer... look into not only accessing unauthorized devices but wiretap laws just out of the little you have told us.

It really depends on your approach bro....

If you tell them I have identified your leaked product on 15 different file sharing and I will do my best to get them removed to the best of my ability then most are willing to pay for your services... These guys make a lot of money selling informational products and they absolutely hate seeing their products leaked....

It's just another way of doing B2B services 

I call bullshit, once something has been leaked no company would be stupid enough to try to shut it down.  How well you pitch sounds a lot like how well you can scare them, and a good bit will call the fucking feds on you.

And not every independent contractor has business or income......

I would not ask for this loan on this idea.  There are more holes in the legality of doing this then Swiss cheese. I like you claim good intentions, but it just is not legal.

Before getting a loan find a lawyer who deals with computer security bring your ideas to him.... and pay the fee.  This way since you do not have qualifications or certifications to help guide you to whats legal he can tell you which ideas are like this and will eventually get your LLC sued into oblivion.

I suggest closing topic, and loan.  Think of next LEGAL consulting idea, then come back to forums.

I am done helping at this point anyone who invests now has read my warnings about business model.   And this is from someone with those security qualifications and certifications...... they help.

Professional web design (HTML + CSS responsive)
Programmer (Admin/Client section, Invoices)
Outsourced Video Presentation Marketing (To pitch to clients....) <-- Most important aspect to what I can refer them to watch... Like a professional 10 to 15 minute video
Dedicated Business Phone Line w/ VOIP and Voicemail Capabilities

Was thinking about going with WhiteTechProtect.com too

So what do you need the money for?

I do something similar with businesses using Clickbank as their merchant... I find their leaks on file sharing sites and report it to them and I get paid finders fees....

Anywhere from $50 to $500 (on occasion)

This is essentially the same concept and I know I probably would be able to get businesses to pay anywhere from $50 to $1,000 as well depending how well I pitch them....

Then how would you pay back the loan if you do it free a lot?  Now this is some charity thing except for big customers and the government?  A guy with no certifications coming out of nowhere and saying to them to pay us so nobody can look into your cameras.  This is getting better by the second

I see what you mean....

but no, nobody has been fixing them... These cameras are old (newest ones are around 2-3 years old)... and they are purchased fairly frequently as popular choices

I honestly think that businesses would appreciate it as opposed to taking a defensive stance like you guys are taking but I don't know....

Not everybody needs "qualifications" or "certifications" to fix something for a business if they are doing purely independent contractor work....

The entire field of SEO and Digital Marketing wouldn't exist.

As i suspected no qualifications or certifications.  The reason for them is they would have been a good idea, either in this case would have told you what your suggesting is not legal or a proper practice for a security consultant.  

You can fix it for free on all of them.... still would not change you accessed it before getting consent. And would not turn this into a legal solution.  There is a reason this is out there and someone isn't already fixing them.

Again i mentioned nothing about scamming, just the business model itself.

Not really sure how you came to the conclusion that my field of interest might be scamming when I have two these huge notes/entries from January on my front page:

A Suggestion For Practical Serious Crime Prevention & Rehabilitation In The Next 50 Years

COMMON SENSE WISDOM (VERY IMPORTANT SPIRITUALLY EMPOWERED THOUGHTS TO HELP LEAD YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION)

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well, I am not doing it yet... but I don't really need credentials or certificates to work as an "independent contractor" to help fix somebody's system that nobody else is telling them.

This I know for a fact....

I really don't see how I'm blackmailing them.... if I'm going to end up doing it for free most of the time anyways

That is almost blackmail....

The client needs to hire you first.  Again if you are out doing this please go consult a lawyer.  One that deal's with computer's on a regular basis not just any will be up on the laws.  Can you please list your computer security credentials and certifications?  

You will not be able to do this legally ... plain and simple.  

...and how did you come up with my area of interest being "scamming" just by looking on my FB?

and how do you not remember just accusing me of scamming?

I don't understand.... How did you prematurely come with this conclusion? I'm just saying because it doesn't make any sense at all.

Did you even read anything that I posted or look at any of the pictures on there?

I just told you earlier.... That's not even my real dox

This is what you said "I hope you are not trying to pull a scam Mr. Mullen. Although by reading some things on your facebook it seems this is your area of interest. (Being security)"

Show me where I said scam please, you just previously had a business number that is listed to a panda express

dude.... I have good intentions here.... Not sure why you left me that feedback for

I was thinking if they don't want to pay a small fee for giving them awareness, I would probably end up doing it for free anyways because I might be obliged to

The trust system is unmoderated, nobody can do shit about it except for me.  We've gone from potential loan scammer to greyhat extortion $3000 loan?  

The sad thing is they wont.  But you have to act legally if you want to be a security consultant.  Even if intentions are good does not make it legal.

So which Administrator or Moderator do I contact to have this feedback disputed?

He obviously didn't do any research and didn't even bother to spend more than 30 seconds to make an accurate evaluation/judgment.

 

Well, I suppose you are right but the catch-22 of the situation is, how else are they going to get their camera systems fixed if no one is going to notify them of this by verification?

If no one helps them out, these 100,000's of cameras are going to remain unsecure forever and the more "blackhat" people to allow free access to spy and control them.

The payment processor I am with, Worldpay, did not question anything about needing a lawyer as I explained everything to them fully and it seemed okay and I got my merchant account approved in the same day.

Like you said, my intentions aren't bad... I just have to figure out a better way to approach all of this so everything is safe and secure on both ends (Myself and others' unsecured cameras accessible via the internet)

I do know how to help them patch it up though.... I can walk them through this with quite some ease....

Let me think about it more and I will report back later

Also, not sure what is up with "coldgamer". He seems to hand out negative feedback to everybody and judging from what he did here, is not thorough with his judgments and evaluations and it obviously wasn't warranted.

Bold again.. unaurthized accessing of these devices. Just becuse google index'es it does not give you a right to access it.

A proper security consultant would "Normally a proper security consultant operates with a signed consent with a agreed upon testing between both parties."  If you are using known exploits searching the internet and opening cameras... again I would say actions of not a proper security consultant.... or one that operates legally.

I am not saying you are a scam, just that it's a horrible idea.  You would need a lawyer as I don't think you have done your due diligence with laws, and would question your credentials as a security consultant.  I think you sound like you have a good intentions, but lack proper training and knowledge of this field.

How am I a loan scammer if I am verified with BTC Jam? I am not asking for a loan on BTC Talk.... My credit + income have both been verified.

It is even safer to use BTC Jam as an escrow service because all of my personal information is tied in with them and I am simply not going anywhere.

Why would I need collateral if I have a $20k per year income that can pay a $3.5k loan with ease? I also have a trust fund with around $10k in it and much more money on the way.

Also, why would I need a lawyer if I am going to be telling these businesses and individuals how to patch their vulnerable camera systems?

EDUCATIONAL/INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY:
http://pastebin.com/YCzvEj5V

My compiled list of search strings that Google had indexed 100,000+ unsecured camera systems worldwide.

Don't you understand that I am going to tell them how to fix it so that they don't have to worry about this anymore?

It's a slow and lengthy process and I don't appreciate your "negative" rep because you simply do not even know half of the story and it was completely unjust.

Whoa... BitCoinXQ isn't even up and ready and I haven't even done enough research to make a move with it yet at all

I didn't say anything about BitCoinXQ and this has nothing to do with this at all

I don't even have definitive plans with BitCoinXQ yet because I'm still doing research whether or not if it's a valid program or not....

I asked if they were a Ponzi scheme and have talked to them for hours on the phone and they're giving out short term loans with extremely high APR % which is how they make their money....

And that isn't even my correct information.... Why would you "dox" my information for somebody who is legitimate?

My $20k per year income is verified with BTC Jam so I can easily repay this loan if I don't make $$$ by pitching to companies that their security cameras are vulnerable.

"So you are accessing buisness security camera's without consent?"

Google indexes these searches... I needed to verify that these security vulnerabilities are indeed real which I did... but no, why would I be actively accessing their security cameras with ill intent? I am going to teach them how to fix and patch these vulnerabilities up so they don't have anymore unnecessary people spying and controlling them.

What's with the accusations? Please do your research. How do whitehat "hackers" do their work? They need to identify the vulnerabilities and make sure that they are indeed real so they proceed to give these companies with real solutions that will patch it up without any worry or doubt.

So you are accessing bushiness security camera's without consent?  Even though they are unsecured am i understanding right that you access first without consent then "We will also bring massive awareness to the company's of the vulnerable camera systems".  Normally a proper security consultant operates with a signed consent with a agreed upon testing between both parties. 

It is not whitehat if there is not consent even with the best of intentions.  I would read your TOS on internet service provider and a lot of other things... if you go large scale i suggest a good lawyer to look into your practice before going bigger....

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I hope you are not trying to pull a scam Mr. Mullen. Although by reading some things on your facebook it seems this is your area of interest. (Being security)

Peaked my interest incoming dox if he is who he says he is.

This is great... Unless you own a panda express you have some explaining to do.

No collateral?  I looked at your website and it had a link to some Bitcoinxq project.  It claims to work by doing huge short term loans to Profitlender, a WOT marked scam site and Ponzi.  You're running so many scams you can't keep them separate.

Also, your company description is bullshit.  If there's a huge vulnerability for something like security camera access, the government would have been the first to know about it.  Think they can find Heartbleed 2 years early and not Google something?  Negged

https://btcjam.com/listings/13905

 

2% funded....

Help yourself out by contributing to a whitehat business project that will help us patch hundreds of thousands of unsecured cameras worldwide that can be remotely controlled and viewed upon by any who know how to do a simple Google search...

Relatively small loan... and my income is $20k per year right now... so I am able to pay it back with ease as a fallback plan

Much appreciated!