Topic: Bubbles (Read 513 times)

You forgot the crypto bubble of 2017.



It's hard to make a case for it not being a bubble with that massive 70% drop persisting for months now.  Essentially, bubbles don't reveal themselves until after they pop. You may suspect a price is unsustainable, but if people could reliably predict where bubbles were going to form or what was already a bubble, they would be able to avoid them. By nature, you don't know something is a bubble until after it bursts. The fact that something crashes and has great difficulty recovering helps to inform whether it was a bubble. Exactly like Bitcoin in 2018.

I think the most popular bubble is the dutch tulip bubble which occured in 1630, many people talk about it and say that the same thing will happen to bitcoin calling bitcoin will become a bubble too. they used to say when bitcoin collapsed this time. but this so called bitcoin bubble still not blasted. 

Yes That's right, bitcoin has shown it at the end of last year. but now the price has fallen. Things like that have become natural law. bubbles at prices easily occur depending on demand.

I think everything in here is a bubble. The only difference is that there are some that disappear faster than the others. What I mean is no thing is permanent in this world.

Nice reference mate. I don’t know whether you directly or indirectly implied your words on crypto market. We are on the crypto forum after all. Nevertheless don’t forget that when BTC reached 100 USD it was called a bubble, when it reached 1k the same was said. Today we are at 6-7k region and a lot of people still call it a bubble. Being in "crypto" for quite a while. BTC really needs vast improvements and lightning network is already here, don’t know if the "Project Dandelion" will ever be finished but with current BTC price we can already see that its hardly making to 10k.

in my opinion, our world economic system is a bubble. Soon all will burst. She is living out the last years

Wealth will come to those who grasp the opportunity and have strong faith. Do not keep track of it much leads to unsteady minds to continue to participate. There should be clear strategies to achieve the goal. It will also increase the price of investors, so peace of mind.

I fully agree with you that the bond market has been experiencing great difficulties for a long time. The price in some market segments is so high that there is obvious overbought or oversold. the bond market is completely dependent on the rumors that all traders use. There are no obvious real reasons for the rise or fall, only rumors.

Used to refer to a significant, usually rapid, increase in asset prices that is soon followed by a collapse in prices and typically arises from speculation or enthusiasm rather than intrinsic increases in value. Whatever happened positive or negative results is refer a good or fortunate situation that is isolated from reality or unlikely to last.

Not really expensive if you the price at 18k was more expensive than what it is today at 8300$. So ideally the price is cheap at present and should be starting soon to climb up and before it becomes more expensive you should buy it.

I think so. In this market there are winners, but do not be upset because every action is due to your psychological factors that cause.
The balloon phenomenon is the way you look at it, look at it positively, the results will be positive. Good psychology decides 90% of the fight.

The next bubble is the crypto currency bubble. It's waxing stronger and stronger everyday

Well, Allan Grenspan himself says that the bond market is a bubble and it is being to unwind so its going to be interested as to what will happen if this bubble is burst.


It is still debateable as far as I'm concern. Its an open-ended discussions for many years now in the future. There was even a graph, a eerie similar to NASDAQ Tech bubbles of 2000's. But I think what separates bitcoin from the rest of the bubble in history is its price volatility, I don't think that the dotcom bubbles have experienced this wild price swings. And if we ever sees the market suddenly crashes, it has the ability to recover and bounce back, so it's really hard to consider this asset as bubble, in my opinion.

I agree just like with the dotcom bubble many companies dies but the best is still in the market and is still soaring high. I think it will also happen in the crypto market many shit coins will crash and die out and only the best coins will stay on the market. For what coins is going to stay I do not know but I am confident that Bitcoin is here to stay.

think that the next bubble is $ USD, this currency is based on oil. Currently, technologies are being developed that will make it possible to use alternative sources of energy in the future. Thus, oil will become unclaimed and lose its value. Probably will create crypto USD

The student loan bubble could be a concern as its measured in billions and a large proportion of it is likely to not be paid off for a long time, if ever. There's a subprime auto market for car loans and potentially another subprime mortgage bubble. One key issue with those bubbles could be them all being denominated in us dollars. If the US federal government ever defaulted on its debt and fiat devalued significantly it could multiply a net effect of negative implications these bubbles pose.

Overspending bubbles created from cost overruns on defense programs like lockheed martin's F-35 could pose a danger as could bubbles created by wars in the middle east and anti terrorism measures which cost trillions and may sometimes produce questionable results. Then there are other potential issues like credit card and personal debt bubbles.

In a way, it could be pointless to label bitcoin a "bubble" when major and significant portions of the world economy may be bubblish to relatively higher degrees.

ICOs are definitely a bubble. If you overpay in the worst possible way for something that is just an idea, and the overall industry is exactly like that, then know that it is a bubble for sure.

In most cases the major part of the ICO tokens are stored on exchanges for ever, and that purely for their returns, and not actual use. I doubt people even know what they have invested in. It's one big clown show.

Nowadays if a group of nerds or a greedy company has an idea, they'll sell you worthless tokens in order to allocate a small percentage of that for project development, and the rest is to fill up their own wallet.

I would say that crypto, in the form of ICOs, are probably currently in a bubble.

I'm not saying that bitcoin is a bubble. In fact, I think that BTC is probably the most profitable & sustainable long term investment you are able to make right now, especially after the adjustments that took place during this bear market.

But, it's easy to say that a lot of companies & projects that are currently issuing their own tokens have their values artificially boosted. A lot of crypto projects currently aren't even decentralized, but in fact, just money making schemes for the founders and marketers. A lot don't even have any purpose whatsoever, and yet the prices are being driven up by speculators. This is unlike bitcoin, as there is a need for a decentralized and independent currency, and it's also the first crypto. But all the ICOs currently popping up, I just don't see the value of most sustaining in the long term, although this could go on for a lot longer.

Is bitcoin included in the phenomenon "Bubble"?
I think like that, because the price is very expensive and until now has not reached the highest price anymore ..
What do you think ?

Bond market perhaps would be one of the worst bubble bursts alongside the most notable bubbles such as the tulip mania and the dotcom bubble. Literally, everyone is making money out of nothing, just some shares and dividends mandated by corporations and big ass companies. On the other hand, crypto has had its bubbles and it already popped IMO. Before, I used to think that bitcoin is one of the worst asset to ever invented due to it being susceptible to market manipulation that often result to bubbles but now, with a large user base and growing support from people, it feels as if the cryptocurrency market is just growing or people are just taking a grasp of it. We don't know what's the next biggest bubble to burst, but I also place my bets on the bond markets and other tech-related startups since almost everyone is banking on "likes" and not real value nowadays.

Really?  I don't follow the bond market, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're corporate bonds--I'm sure debt is rising just as fast in the business world as it is with government.  Debt never interested me as a speculative instrument, though.  I shall watch from afar.

Now, how about crypto?  I've had a lingering suspicion that bitcoin has been in a bubble for some time now, though after the most recent correction from its ATH I now have doubts--it could just be a growing market, who knows.  The other bubble that might be forming is in the stock market with social media stocks and whatnot.  Right now it just looks like a strong bull market, and there's a big difference.  I can vividly recall the internet stock boom of the 90s, and today's stock market doesn't feel like that at all.  We'll see, I guess.

every asset can have bubbles. a bubble is not just the ones that OP listed or you hear about. a bubble is basically when price of the asset is higher than its intrinsic value. every stock can have them, everything else you can think of from gold to real estate and to bitcoin can have bubbles and they do have them from time to time. and after the bubble bursts ALL of them start rising back up again.
bitcoin goes higher than the peak because its demand is still increasing and we are not yet at the mass adoption otherwise it would have gone back up but not to above the peak like what happens to most altcoins. they have no real demand so when the bubble bursts the fake pumped up demand goes away for good.

As long as they have the demand that is sustainable and there is a real life usage for it, then we cannot classify such an asset as a bubble. Yeah, nothing is predictable, but there are some times we just need to use our head even when investing as there would always be some strange movement in the market that should make any investor scared, but all the same, we have a future in our hands and that is all that matters.

not bad

We come from a bubble, however the market of cryptocurrencies is still very small compared to the rest of the economy personally I think we're going to see a crash of most of the economy before we see a crash of the economy caused by cryptocurrencies, the system is very weak it is way weaker than when the last bubble popped, now governments are heavily indebted and they will be unable to nationalize the losses of private companies.

i dont believe crypto is a bubble, at least is too low in world economy, i personally think that USA dollar will be next bubble , it will not blow tommorow but in some years could

there is a lor bubble that were happened in our live. I would add dot-com bubble that happen in 1995-2001. I do think cryptocurrency not a bubble but a development of technology. So i do bet on here too.

Definitely its going to be the crypto bubble, however, the only thing I'm using in those bubble is that once they have been burst, they wasn't able to recover specially the first bubble in history (tulip mania bubble).

However, if we thought that bitcoin is a bubble that already burst specially when we see the price goes as high as $20K and then just pop up and went as well as $6500, then why the price is still above $9K? So I don't know if we can consider bitcoin as a bubble per se.

If this thread has a correlation with cryptocurrency, I mean the next economic bubble is cryptocurrency, unfortunately, I do not agree. Because until now cryptocurrency still has a stable price, despite having crashes in early January 2018 many investors are still willing to save money in cryptocurrency.

This is different from the economic bubble that has happened. The bubble-packed goods cannot have high prices anymore, while bitcoin and altcoin when crashed will recover even higher than previous highs.

I have the same opinion as economists, they say that economic bubble is not there. Just a price game and depending on the assets we have. As happened to the US, where at that time people prefer gold than money so they spend money to buy gold. But basically until now the price of gold has a high value, this is likely to occur in cryptocurrency.

Fiat currency is in a bubble, used to be backed by gold but not anymore, now people just believe it has value. Maybe it will take a government to collapse in the West for this bubble to pop or for metal arbitraging to speed up but it's going to pop at some point.

It's uncanny. At least urban areas seem to be utterly overpriced all over the world, no matter where you look. Whenever I read about real estate in a country it's about how owning a flat has become unattainable to pretty much anyone other than the exceptionally wealthy or the people that already own a flat to begin with. That seems to be true for Northern America, most of Europe and at least India as far as Asia is concerned. Worst case, real estate is in a bubble. Even worse yet, it's not and this modern form of feudalism is our mode of life now.

As far as bonds are concerned -- I'm not sure how bonds can turn into a bubble to begin with. Junk bonds, maybe, but in general bonds are an incredibly boring investment, as they should be. Naturally their prices will fall once monetary policies around the world inevitably change, but I doubt that they are that much overbought to begin with. My hunch is that currently more money is waiting on the sidelines in the form of cash, rather than bonds.

As far as cryptos are concerned -- heck, who knows. Cryptocurrencies are leading the concept of bubbles ad absurdum, as market cycles move at a pace that traditionally took decades. Can one still talk about bubbles if losses can be recuperated within the duration of what usually amounts to a mid-term bond? Or maybe the bubble to end all bubbles is yet to come...

If it would be a crypto bubble, I agree with you that it can happen suddenly without notice, and bitcoin really is the main candidate for it because of too much hype and FOMO it had recently(when it had reached prices near ATH). IMO there are still some holding left, and some other noobs buying now hoping to see btc price soar to ATH in the near future which I think might not happen. If it isn't in bitcoin, I believe the next bubble would be petro.

As soon as any crypto currency will not have demand and the price will fall in a matter of hours - this can be called a bubble in the cryptomir. And such a moment can happen even with bitcoin.

To be honest, i don´t know if cryptocurrencies are in a bubble. We don´t know the future value and opportunities of this lovely coins. Maybe some of them are massive overvalued and some undervalued, who knows.

But i guessing the housing sector could be in a bouble once again, if u follow the price development over the recent years.

I agree that there is once again a housing bubble. Prices in my country are unreal. You cant afford anything with the paychecks we have. It has been brewing for the past 3 years.

The real estate bubble is still going on in some countries, and housing prices have absolutely gone berserk again after the recovery from 2008. If this trend continues, it could potentially brew up into something huge again. Hopefully though that the adjustment comes sooner than later so that the consequences of this real estate bubble v2 isn't as big as the GFC.

A lot of people are saying that crypto is the next big bubble, but honestly it's just the natural cycle of bullishness and bearishness that went on in BTC ever since that it was first traded. That boom/bust cycle has always existed, and the extent or the potential damage of which is probably much lesser than the other bubbles, like real estate. Really depends on how you view the word "bubble".

Bonds can definitely be in a big bubble right now as well, Greenspan himself said so.

I with you no this one. The bond market is the next candidate for sure. Traders keep making money from nowhere on stocks, and that makes no sense at all. I'm pretty sure most bonds are overpriced, and they will eventually crash. That will probably be the biggest bubble in history, as it would affect all sectors, and not just a specific area like the real estate bubble. Hopefully bitcoin will shine once that happens.

Whereas Crypto currencies could be a bubble but as long as its decentralized no one can do that and people will solely support crypto currencies.

Maybe the next bubble is in the digital currency, but I don't think there's a huge bubble now. We need to know that the market is still the early stage of development, and maybe the price of bitcoin has already been 100K at the time of big bubbles.

That's a good list you have there, thanks for sharing

I would add to it:
+ The Mississippi Bubble 1720s
+ The British "Railway Mania" Bubble 1840s
+ The Florida Real Estate Bubble 1920s
+ The Stock Market Crash of 1929
+ Black Monday – the Stock Market Crash of 1987

I believe the next bubble will be crypto related (that is if we're not already living in one )

Here is a brief breakdown of some of the more famous bubbles in history.

the dutch tulip bubble (1630, first ever recorded)
the south sea bubble (1720)
Japan stock/real estate bubble (1990)
.COM bubble (2002)
USA housing bubble (2008)

Where is the next bubble going to appear. I know the bond market is in a 100 plus bubble and this is where im placing my bets.