Bug in “Most Time Online” stats?

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Quote from: worldofcoins on June 22, 2021, 05:13:44 PM

Quote from: acroman08 on June 18, 2021, 05:29:18 AM

found this answer from hilariousandco

Quote from: hilariousandco on March 21, 2018, 12:43:47 PM

Probably not. Some people use bots or auto-refresh tools etc so it will skew their actual logged in time considerably.

I don't understand how Bots, scripts, or tools can bypass the forum's backend to tracking user's total logged-in time.

It's isn't something on the front-end that can be manipulated easily by something like inspect-elements and making the mamas proud of those who do it.

You can run a script that causes a headless browser repeatedly access the forum while logged in. Often the purpose of this would be to scrape information from the forum for whatever reason. I am not sure how the forum handles multiple browser tabs when counting logged in time, but it is also possible that someone would run a script(s) that access the forum via multiple browser tabs.

IMO someone running a particular stats website might be accessing the forum more frequently than once per second on a long term basis and these are alts of this person to collect this data.

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Quote from: Chikito on June 22, 2021, 08:02:58 PM

Quote from: worldofcoins on June 22, 2021, 05:13:44 PM

I don't understand how Bots, scripts, or tools can bypass the forum's backend to tracking user's total logged-in time.

You don't need to understand very much, you can try itself by adding it on extension chrome or firefox (searching in google with keyword; auto refresh extension), just set time in minutes or seconds. and don't forget to click Always stay logged in: on bitcointalk account.

But, what for? there is no reward for mostly logged time. there is mostly cost also, User need also rent a VPS and If doesn't, PC should be online every day (electric cost).

I know what you said above but look at the OP,

Users mentioned there are online for over 60+ Years!, That's more time than the forum has been around, can you explain to me why is that?
Staying logged in for 10 years using VPS or Extension for example you'll be credited with "Total time logged in: XXXX days, xx hours and xx minutes." But it shouldn't go over 10 years, and if it does then there's a bug in the backend.

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Quote from: icopress on June 22, 2021, 04:20:19 PM

Not

Haha, it does Grin

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on June 22, 2021, 05:23:59 PM

My total time logged in increased by 35 minutes in 20 minutes.

A great and quick test, lol, my thinking is right. So, this is clearly not a display error, those accounts have actually been active for a long time with multiple devices at the same time Cheesy

Top 1 account registered in August 2018, it is almost 4 years till now. But in spec, it has been working for a total of more than 63 years, it means that this account has at least 16 active devices at the same time to be able to work with that much time. LOL, it's crazy! Should I think it was someone's test?

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Quote from: Chikito on June 22, 2021, 08:02:58 PM

But, what for? there is no reward for mostly logged time. there is mostly cost also, User need also rent a VPS and If doesn't, PC should be online every day (electric cost).

Maybe it's not about rewards but longer login time can tell us a bit of information that users have more time in the forums than in the real world. But it's not impossible that one day someone will be willing to give a little gift to those who have a certain login time (real time not using tool like bot) to celebrate his birthday party like Ratimov did before.

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Quote from: worldofcoins on June 22, 2021, 05:13:44 PM

I don't understand how Bots, scripts, or tools can bypass the forum's backend to tracking user's total logged-in time.

You don't need to understand very much, you can try itself by adding it on extension chrome or firefox (searching in google with keyword; auto refresh extension), just set time in minutes or seconds. and don't forget to click Always stay logged in: on bitcointalk account.

But, what for? there is no reward for mostly logged time. there is mostly cost also, User need also rent a VPS and If doesn't, PC should be online every day (electric cost).

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Quote from: icopress on June 22, 2021, 04:20:19 PM

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Lol, I saw the deleted message) Is the experience successful? Lips sealed

Sorry. The screenshot I posted didn't contain the forum time. I decided to replace the screenshot with a new one. But I had some problem with imgur when uploading the new screenshot. I deleted that post until the issue is resolved.
Will share the result soon.

Quote from: icopress on June 22, 2021, 04:20:19 PM

Quote from: ChuckBuck on June 22, 2021, 03:49:21 PM

Will active time be doubled if I use 2 devices at the same time? Furthermore, staying active without logging out also increases uptime, right?

Not

It's now 9:22 PM (GMT) and my total time logged in is 185 days, 10 hours and 13 minutes.

Now I am online with my account in two different devices.
I will open pages with both devices continuously and will post my total time logged in again in 20 minutes.

Update:
it's now 9:42 PM (GMT) and my total time logged in is 185 days, 10 hours and 48 minutes

My total time logged in increased by 35 minutes in 20 minutes.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 18, 2021, 05:29:18 AM

found this answer from hilariousandco

Quote from: hilariousandco on March 21, 2018, 12:43:47 PM

Probably not. Some people use bots or auto-refresh tools etc so it will skew their actual logged in time considerably.

I don't understand how Bots, scripts, or tools can bypass the forum's backend to tracking user's total logged-in time.

It's isn't something on the front-end that can be manipulated easily by something like inspect-elements and making the mamas proud of those who do it.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on June 22, 2021, 03:49:21 PM

Will active time be doubled if I use 2 devices at the same time? Furthermore, staying active without logging out also increases uptime, right?

Not

Quote from: hosseinimr93

[...]

Lol, I saw the deleted message) Is the experience successful? Lips sealed

Quote from: hosseinimr93

[test ...]

At least if you are guided by logic, this is another hole, which theoretically should not be. ^{[Btw, I learned about this error for the first time, and never saw any mention of it]}

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LoL, it is definitely a display error or an error in the website's database. If you check all these users, they are all Brand New, and their accounts are archived. Previously, a guy made a post to ask about this problem. With some information given, this error seems to appear after 2016. Anyway, I don't feel it's really important Cheesy

Quote from: Mitchell on June 22, 2021, 02:11:07 PM

I am currently at 896 days, 19 hours and 5 minutes. About 40 to 50% of that came from my anti-spam bot, which has been moved to a separate account ages ago.

Will active time be doubled if I use 2 devices at the same time? Furthermore, staying active without logging out also increases uptime, right?

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I am currently at 896 days, 19 hours and 5 minutes. About 40 to 50% of that came from my anti-spam bot, which has been moved to a separate account ages ago.

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Quote from: icopress on June 22, 2021, 01:44:16 PM

To all of the above, I can only add that three years ago the data was displayed correctly ... I don’t remember the details anymore, but the leaders of this list were definitely Lauda and Mitchell, and a few other old participants whose stay online did not exceed 1000 days ..

You can click here to see the saved snapshot of stats page taken on June 2016.
The top ranked user was hmblm1245 with 1635 days being online. Mitchell was ranked 9th with 590 days.

https://archive.is/g8G2i

Or here to see the saved snapshot taken on April 2018.
The top ranked user was again hmblm1245 with 2123 days being online. Lauda was ranked 4th with 1068 days. Mitchell was also in 7th place with 872 days.

https://archive.is/QqIJ6

You are right. Seems that the data was correct in the past.

More snapshots from stats page on the link below:
https://archive.is/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

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To all of the above, I can only add that three years ago the data was displayed correctly ... I don’t remember the details anymore, but the leaders of this list were definitely Lauda and Mitchell, and a few other old participants whose stay online did not exceed 1000 days .. In order to maintain the appearance of an all-present presence, Her Majesty was forced to be on this list, and Mitchell was a master of automation.

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Quote from: acroman08 on June 18, 2021, 05:29:18 AM

apparently not, at least according to hilariousandco's answer on one of these threads. you might want to check these threads below. you might find your answer there.

Is it a bug?
The forum stats are wrong! @theymos check it out,please.
"Total time logged in" bug and accounts with long time logged in

found this answer from hilariousandco

Quote from: hilariousandco on March 21, 2018, 12:43:47 PM

Probably not. Some people use bots or auto-refresh tools etc so it will skew their actual logged in time considerably.

Regardless of why it's happening, it is very clearly a bug since it is presenting the wrong information. We can choose to ignore the bug since it appears the source has been identified, but it is obviously not properly recording time logged in. I don't think these stats matter, nor do I care if it's correct. Call a spade a spade though. This is most definitely a bug. It appears it's been a known bug for a while, so it is either low priority and very far down the todo list, or nobody in a position to correct the bug cares. Take your pick.

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apparently not, at least according to hilariousandco's answer on one of these threads. you might want to check these threads below. you might find your answer there.

Is it a bug?
The forum stats are wrong! @theymos check it out,please.
"Total time logged in" bug and accounts with long time logged in

found this answer from hilariousandco

Quote from: hilariousandco on March 21, 2018, 12:43:47 PM

Probably not. Some people use bots or auto-refresh tools etc so it will skew their actual logged in time considerably.

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I was checking the statistics center and I noticed this:

Is this some kind of forum bug? How can these users be 60⁺ years online?

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