Topic: Bunned ihnattm. (Read 1289 times)

I bow to your intellect! You know everything about a person, having talked to him once through an interpreter Google, in a foreign language for him. How can you one carelessly and arrogantly treat people?
The executioner simply carry out the sentence. Do not be an executioner!
You are persistently trying to drown me as a person and disgrace me on this forum. My account is public, I'm not hiding behind anonymity. If you enter ihnattm in the search engine, you will receive full information about me. Therefore, I defend my account as my family. You make mistakes, but avoid responsibility for it, but others defiantly drown in the mud, and brand irrevocably. Why are you doing this, where is your humanity?
I am very sorry that my communication is limited to an interpreter, it means for me that 20-30% of the meaning is lost in translation. On this at once I apologize, if the fact that I write looks aggressive or insulting. I try to use the words, and convey the essence of the dispute that has arisen.

If I, laid out a technical analysis that is publicly available for public access, it is not secret, and pointed out a link to the source, this is not plagiarism, as far as I know, and the forum rules say so. But it is worth it for a man to make a mistake and not add a link to the source, it turns into a crime. I agree that plagiarism is very bad! But only when it is done intentionally! As practice shows, an error can be tolerated if you write in a language that is not known, because my brain for some reason disconnected in this case. I know that plagiarism is bad, and all of my previous and current reports to that testify. Do not you think it's so hard to go beyond your thinking? Why do I understand you, and you stubbornly refuse to look at a step beyond your perception of the world. Almost always there are exceptions. I'm not asking you to rehabilitate me, for you it's like stepping over your EGO. Just change the ban rule. Stop throwing people out for one mistake! This is really sometimes not realized, and that's what brings the irreparable pain! When you are not deservedly condemned, what do those people who themselves make mistakes? You can not behave this way with people, it's inhuman!

I made a mistake and was punished. Why when did you make a mistake, I was punished again? Why can users be banned from the forum because of a stupid mistake, and if the error of forum, is it permissible? Who invented the rule, banish from one mistake, without warning? Do you want to have fun that I'm gone? I'm ready to leave, but you have to admit that your rule is just stupid, and change the rule that no one person would be in my idiotic situation. Stop ban without warning, and I'll leave with a clear conscience !
You should not have the right to permaban without warning, because you yourself are mistaken! Users must have rights!
An account with a history of several years does not deserve to be treated as a criminal, due to one not an important error.

It so funny fo you, Are you tired of laughter?? You showed your respect, as much as you could. Good-bye!

You're right, you're confused. You just had to make a remark about the post, and amicably correct it, but it was not interesting to you. You are probably a hangman and a sycophant. Sorry, I'm not trying to offend you.
Is it easy to say from the position of power ? I repeat, people are silent, out of fear to express their opinion on this matter. No healthy person would like killing because of an error. And you are radical in this respect.

I by no means said that plagiarism is good. I could not write otherwise in English, so I copied the analysis, but forgot to specify proof. In perfection I speak only three languages. Unfortunately English is not one of them. And you blew out this life sentence. You behave like naive teenagers. Again, two of my messages, discussed the news, my personal reasoning on the news, and links are like proof. There's no copy-paste. But this is not important gentlemen. Your position is clear to me. Continue and continue to share with each other merits for the fact that amicably shit the man on his head! I understand your position, do not bother!
Friends if someone needs merit, do not be shy. It's enough just to pour a person with dirt for his mistake, and when they make a mistake here on the forum, it's not that terrible, it's just a bug.
People just silently read your tyranny, and neither of which is spoken for fear of losing an account like me. But they will now know who they are dealing with, thanks to what happened, everything inside came out. A couple of friends persecuted me, and what did you do? We have banned one of them for 7 days! O how prudent and democratic of you! Thank you for the great dictators! It's good that at least you did not come me home and raped my family!

I know that there are good people on this forum. I will thank you all. Be careful, because if you make a mistake, you will be like this, you will be stolen by 2.5 years of your life when you feel your impotence, but you do not give up, do not let low people drag you to the bottom, and dump it in the mud. Live happily and prosper!

I defend my right without violating the rules. I can write only in this thread, but I already realized that this is pointless, there is no understanding only of the servants. And to you too many thanks! Your personal participation, led to the fact that I was insulted and humiliated in this forum, but you became a hero! I congratulate you. May your life be happy, continue your patrol! Thanks for the English lesson, now I finally realized what it means to be an American.

The error was that for the first time in such a situation the source did not indicate proof it. You call me an evil person, but you do not admit personal mistakes. If your opinion, this is the opinion of all the moderators of this English-language forum, I'm very sorry for you. You do not listen to people, but ridicule their values, and insult them, this is a worthy apparition in your branch. False values, and secrecy, you are protected. My respects, and may the greatest happiness happen to you, for every action you take! My conscience is clear, and my head is in order, I can understand my neighbor always! I wish you happiness!

Dear moderators. Can you please tell me, I'm contesting my right here, that you should laugh at someone, or still there are educated people who understand the absurdity of the situation. I do not write posts in your community, I wrote spontaneously, for all the time I made one mistake. How can you condemn my posts if they are in Russian and Spanish? I have no desire to be in your English-speaking branch, moreover it is not convenient for me because of the duty to speak through an interpreter. Be reasonable, accept that everyone has the right to make a mistake, even you are mistaken, no matter how your friends wrote to me before, about your neighbor's wife, and about the judges! Restore my account and I will return to my friends and forget your English, once and for all! I repeat, I realized my mistake! Be reasonable, recognize your own! Hacking heads, this is not prudent.

What insertion of a copy are you talking about? Do not forget about the kindest of people that I translate through an interpreter. Be so kind as to be clearer.
Who are you that would tell me that I permanent banned?
I saw how the system assigned me a punishment, and then took it off, and you are just a user.

Just means you're not taking it seriously enough to have a habit of adding a source right after you paste in a quote.

Or, you can do what I do and actually use quote tags.

You still don't get it, do you? Both @Foxpup and I have told you several times that plagiarism is, indeed, a serious offense. The fact you were permabanned for it should convince you of that, but no, you keep claiming this was a minor mistake and you just "forgot" to provide a source for the content you copied from someone else. If you posted something that was repeated a thousand times per hour on this site - e.g., "good project" or the like - then a temp-ban for 1-7 days would be appropriate, but not for copying an entire paragraph from an article published online...

Sorry, but you really did make a serious mistake, whether your moral standards (or lack thereof) feel otherwise.

Suggestion: put OP in "Ignore" and move on.

Stop wasting your time. I myself will be doing this. Bye OP

I'm confused. Why do you want to be part of this forum, if you think it's filled with raping dictators?

You broke a serious rule - plagiarism - and received a serious punishment - banning. That's hardly unique to America.

Just in case anyone has forgotten why ihnattm was "bunned", it's for straight up copying a paragraph of text from a CoinDesk article without providing any reference to said source, and he was nailed by LoyceV as reported here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38383563

Plagiarism is not a minor mistake, ihnattm1; it is very serious one. The kind that gets you kicked out of university with no refunds, no credit for that class, etc. Playing the injured party here and feigning remorse just makes you even less deserving of a 2nd chance (even though no one banned for plagiarism gets a 2nd chance, anyway). And when someone accidentally unbanned everyone here for a couple of hours you wasted no time posting two more shitposts where you essentially ran content from other sites through google translate (well, at least you provided source links this time), so I daresay the forum won't really miss you.

Oh, and stop trying to claim the rest of us are just as guilty as you; that shit really annoys me. I've had two posts out of >1340 deleted for being off-topic, and both of those were for calling out a spammer for spamming (best to just report the post and not reply to it, in other words). No other rule violations, and I'm not even trying that hard (because it doesn't really require much effort to abide the rules here...).

My only mistake is responding to this thread in the hope that it would, in some small way, help you to see the error of your ways. Not because it would get you unbanned (it wouldn't), but because it would help you to understand why nobody cares about your protests. Clearly, this is a hopeless effort. You are beyond all help and redemption.

It shouldn't be. You are an unrepentant evildoer, and may whatever god you believe in have mercy on your soul.

Why do you persist in calling your actions a "mistake"? When using another author's work, you have a moral and legal duty to attribute it. But you decided that shitposting is more important than either the moral rights of the author you're copying from or international copyright law, and that makes you an evil person. Furthermore, your refusal to accept responsibility for your actions demonstrates that you don't really care about the harm you've caused to the community. You claim to have realised your "mistake", but the truth is you haven't realised anything. You are no longer welcome here, and no longer have any rights here. Go away.

Anybody who reads this thread can tell you're banned permanently.

Did you know you're still breaking the rules, bumping this thread within 24 hours?

Have you know that even on the reality, plagiarism is a theft of someone's statement. That is the forum's law and rules and regulations. Your suggestions were too ease and could only make the forum a nest of spammers, plagiarist, and shitposters.

YOU WERE PERMA BANNED!!!!!

It was showing as a 7 day ban because of a bug. Which ended up unbanning every banned account. Now that the bug was fixed, you got banned again.

And it's actually funny as hell how you have been crying about your ban for 1 month, saying that it was a mistake and that you learned your lesson, and when you mistakenly got unbanned, you kept shitposting copy pasted posts. Wtf??

Got it? You will not get unbanned. Your account is GONE. Now, please.... PLEASE... leave the forum.

It's quite incredible you are still whining about being banned for plagiarism. I don't know how they do things in your country, but here in the US we learn at a very early age (12? 13?) that copying what someone else wrote without providing a reference to the original work - that is, plagiarism - is seriously wrong. It is so wrong, in fact, that if you get caught doing it at the university level you will be expelled from the school.

So, getting banned from an online forum seems like a relatively minor consequence for the same behavior.

It's really not that hard to follow the rules here, as it's always easier to not post at all rather than shitpost or, worse, plagiarize. If you have to make a certain number of posts to meet a bounty or sig campaign quota but you aren't a good writer and/or don't have any original thoughts then might I suggest that you are in the wrong line of work?

As far, as I understood from posts on this thread, this wasn`t a one time thing. So, how can you talk about a mistake? Mistake is not something that you keep doing, knowing you are wrong. If it became systematical, I think admins had their reasons to ban you.
In the same time, I believe that nobody should get a perma ban without warning first.
P.S. Talking about not knowing English in English is somewhere around funny, though

The ban was supposed to be permanent, but indeed, you have continued your posting text copied from other sites:

From what I gather in this thread, your ban was permanent.  Where does it say it was temporary?

Edit: Don't know how you understood the ban to be temporary anyway, or why you tried posting from the banned account.  You deserve an IP ban, IMO.

Not only that, but since his last post here has nothing to do with that ban, I think mods should probably lock this topic and call it a day.

Who are you talking about? Your account 'ihnattm' was permabanned.

No. Bitcointalk doesn't have "fines" apart from evil units for new account registration. If we allowed every banned user to pay a fee to unban themselves then we would have anarchy.

Unfortunately, the only thing you can do is just leave the forum behind. Remember that a ban means that the person is banned, not the account. Don't evade.

No, I don't think we like bribes here.

Do judges ask the offender what they want to have as punishment? Rules are rules and if you make a change for one person you should make the change for every person. This has not been the case since Lone Shark (i.e. unbanning a user after plagiarism).

You don't have to agree.

Interestingly enough you have better grammar skills in this post than the VAST majority of people who grew up as native English speakers (this should be read as a knock on western schooling as well  ).  Your use of capitalization's, commas, periods, exclamation points, apostrophes, pluralization's, sentences and paragraph while far from perfect suggests a much deeper understanding of English than you are saying. 

Instead of telling everyone they are bad people for not supporting you or giving you a second chance how about you deal with the consequences of your actions like an adult.  I know in this day and age it's easier to blame other people but just try for once to look at yourself as the problem and NOT everyone else.

Or don't it doesn't make much difference as the chances of a ban for plagiarizing being lifted is pretty damn low from what I have seen.

Mistakenly plagiarizing is a lot like mistakenly sticking your dick in some strange while married... There is nothing "accidental" about it.

I think, it will not be that easy to give a second chance for the account that has been banet. because all the existing rules.

You will be wasting your time. because accounts that have been banned with such problems will not be retrieved.
so this can be a lesson to be more careful.

No, we don't want to say that, but only because it would be stating the obvious, since most people have absolutely no trouble following the rules. But, if you insist, I'll go ahead and say it:

Of all the 3,000+ posts I have made on this forum, not a single one was plagiarised. Nor have I ever been banned, not even briefly, for any reason whatsoever. It's not difficult to follow the rules, and anyone who says it is difficult is a liar.

Allow the second chance to the guy! Everyone can be mistaken
I think he understood his mistake and will no longer violate the rules of the forum.

the more he has a lot of posts and plagiat as I understood it was only in one of them.

excuse me,but I did not think to insult you,just everything is strange in your situation.

Given the circumstances, the second chance is justified.

I mean in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39148400 and strange what do you for two years do not know the rules. You someone said wash Your posts that whatever evade the ban ?

Besides the first error for plagiarism user ihnattm1 committed second error, this evasion of a ban! and after that wiped their previous posts! as it were did not have! making of us fools!

The administration of the forum is doing a good and important control, my bow and respect. The only thing I regret is that sometimes we don't get a second chance and we can't make it right. But I hope this guy gets a pardon, I think he's learned his lesson for life.

Doesn't matter if they've made "mistakes". They haven't plagiarized.

Take a look at my post count. I have almost 3x the posts of ihnattm. Have I gotten posts deleted before? Fuck yeah! In fact, here's one of them:


But the fact of the matter is that my deleted posts, my mistakes were never anything severe like plagiarism. It's probable that most users have had at least one deleted post in their BCT lifetime. Not only that but IIRC Lauda even admitted to being temp-banned for spam. And I shitpost sometimes, sure.

But we don't plagiarize.

I never broke any rules in any of my posts. That's why I haven't been banned.

If I did, the mods would be right to ban me.

Also, I don't buy this "I forgot to source" excuse. To me, OP joined a bounty that pays more for non-Local posts and decided to lazily copy-paste a post to earn money.

But anyways, I'm leaving this thread for now as this will not lead to anything. OP is not the first one to copy-paste, say that "he forgot" and ask for an unban. And so far, I have only seen one user being unbanned for plagiarism, and it was a very specific case.

Of course, I fully agree that he made a mistake and that everyone should look and check the message before sending.
But the punishment is high jump. I'm not a moderator, but I think that the punishment in the form of a fine (by cryptocurrency) will be fair.
That is my opinion. Thank you.

The rules regarding plagiarism on this forum are fucked up. I would not hold my breath on getting your account back, I guess it's better to just start over (or as a lot of people do, buy accounts). Which is completely fine btw.

Because it is one mistake for 1200 msgs. We are all humans. Do you have not a single mistake for your 2700 messages ? Just be honest

Edit: I know, ihnatm, long time ago as an honest man, it is all)

Why do not you want to make the system of 3 penalties? If a person is banned and he values his account, he could have paid some amount in the BTС in fund forum. The first time is not big penalty, the second time is the big penalty, the third time is permanent ban. I think it would be so fair.

The mistake should have been recognized when the user previewed their post (or looked at it afterward). If you're worried about "haste" and are posting too quickly/too much to even give it a look-over then you're also spamming. The punishment is warranted.

Surely, we don't post on the forum without looking over what we type, right?

Plenty of users with higher post counts have been banned.

Horror, because forgot to mention the source, for this ban ? 1200 messages, eternal ban because of one mistake it's like something too much
I think that after all, the guy deserves a chance. Everyone is mistaken.

Plagiarism is a glaring mistake, but people always make mistakes.
I'm surprised at such fairness but I think the most important thing is that a person recognizes his mistake and ask people to forgive him.
Give him the second chance.
Thank you for your time.

Why?

Edit: just outta curiosity, did you ask your friends to come here defend you? what's up with all those users with posts in the russian board coming here so suddenly?

Well, I'm not against the rules, but I think that in this case the penalties should not be so strict

If you unban ihnattm you also have to unban the other hundreds of people who have plagiarized posts. And fuck yeah, these are the rules. Considering the fact that hundreds of thousands of members are still around who haven't been banned for plagiarism, I don't think that many have copied and pasted posts.

Eternal ban for one mistake? are you joking? Guys, do you want to say that none of you made any mistakes for the thousands of messages that were published? I do not believe in this even before the gun

Give the second chance to ihnattm

Thanks

There are hundreds of languages I don't speak. That's totally fine, as long as I don't try to join a conversation.

It's not about one person making one (two ) mistakes. It's about thousands of accounts doing this on a massive scale! Many of them never get caught, and some do. Plagiarism lowers the quality of this forum.

As far as I know, it's ONE.
If it ever becomes TWO, I think this guy has a better chance after massive community support.

The guy forgot to mention the source and got a ban, lol. It's funny, after all!

What's the point of having rules if you are just going to allow them to be bent when someone apologizes for their actions after the fact? Unbanning you means creating a precedent for plagiarism, to which then every banned person will henceforth cite... and then there's really no point for the rule to be there anymore.

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Haste?

*the Meta posts must be in a thread about your ban. It must be limited to discussion only about your ban, thus you can't participate in any other Meta discussions.

The exact quote:

Side note, it's not as long as you stick in Meta.

I'm not so sure you understand. Plagiarism is a serious offence worldwide and a simple apology doesn't exactly acquit you of what you've done. Not only is this in the rules but I believe it's commonly taught internationally that it's a bad thing. (feel free to correct me on this)

Even if it's not explicitly explained, some minor critical thinking would lead you to believe that it's at best partially immoral. After all, if you put in time and effort into a product and someone copies it, do you think that deserves a non-negative response?

What relevance does knowledge of the language impart upon the consequences of rules? If you plagiarize in English, French, Klingon or Dothraki it doesn't matter since the intent is the same.

Without sourcing the work, you're conveying that the ideas are your own. The language doesn't affect that.

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If you don't know enough English then perhaps the best thing to do is to not attempt to write it? Learn it before you start jumping into threads, maybe

pla·gia·rism
ˈplājəˌrizəm/
noun: the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

That's exactly what you did. It doesn't matter if you only did because you wanted to write an english post without knowing the language. This is not an excuse. You didn't forget to include a source. You deliberately tried to pass the post as yours (at least twice).

YOU DID. YOU BROKE THE RULES. YOU WILL NOT GET UNBANNED. End of the story.

Your non-plagiarized posts say nothing about the ones that are plagiarized, and it doesn't matter if you learned your lesson.  You have to take the consequences of your actions, and you know what those are.  Take a look in Meta and you'll see many people saying the same thing you just said, that you made a mistake (lie), that you're sorry (that you got caught), that you won't do it again (lie), and to give you a second chance (not happening).  Pay special attention to the number of those threads that were resolved in favor of the plagiarizer.  It's ZERO.

Nice catch on the copy/paste job, whoever caught it.  Justice is served.

"One mistake for 1200 posts"?

Did you "forget" to source your last post aswell?

Copied from: https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-faces-drop-to-7k-as-bull-defense-crumbles/

Rule are rules. Your ban is permanent.

I do not see if you have a chance left to get back the account. You are going to waste your time.
Since you are banned in your original account, so legally you are breaking the rules creating this account too.

Good day! I made a mistake in writing the post on the English line, in reply to the guy on the situation with bitcoin, I pointed out the data from Coindesk resource, forgetting to leave a link to the original. In total I have written two messages in English for the entire time of their existence and found an error in them. from my 1200 posts, I always pointed out the resource, I did not steal any posts and did not spam. Yes you are right, I made a mistake, but who is not mistaken? Is it worth insulting a person with a ban if he was mistaken? I realized the lesson, and my posts can be checked and they speak for themselves, I pointed out the sources. Forgive me, no one is perfect, but I understood the lesson!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.38383563