Topic: Buy rainforest? (Read 1890 times)

Actually the problem was started when the Indonesian government gave permission to destroy 1,000,000 hectares of peat forest for the Mega Rice Project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Rice_Project_(Kalimantan)

The project was a gigantic failure. But it opened the flood gates for loggers. Right now more than 2/3rds of the forests in Borneo have been destroyed.

Buying the already deforested land might be easy. A few years ago, the Borneo Orangutan Survival Foundation (BOSF) bought 2,000 ha. of such land and planted trees there. But protecting this land can be tricky. Even if you hire private security, they don't have any authority to detain the loggers or to use any sort of force.

you're right, palm oil companies clearing land by cutting down forests
there's so many palm oil companies in borneo, make deforestation process faster
yeah, maybe i'll look for information how to buy some rainforest
so sad hear that fact, but that is true!
too many corrupt government official here
we conduct legislative elections today, hope new government do something to slow down or prohibit illegal logging
who will give international sanctions? UN? as i know many international private company (especially chinese and american company) doing business in borneo

yeah right, it will take a long time to grow a rain forest

You might be interessted by this : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2267504/The-sealed-bottle-garden-thriving-40-years-fresh-air-water.html

Create your own rainforest and it own micro ecosystem

Deforestation is a big problem in Indonesia / Malaysia, as the corrupt government officials are allowing logging after taking in bribes. The only way to stop this is to threaten international sanctions if they don't prevent deforestation.


Secondary forest can never become as ecologically diverse as the primary forest. But something is better than nothing. 

I've also heard a lot about Palm Oil companies cutting down forest for their plantations.
I cannot speak for OP, but I got the impression the idea was to buy some rainforest to preserve it.

I've lived in Borneo
very sad to see the forest cut down everyday there
many private company do that, especially coal company for mining coal

I think it's hard to buy a tropical rain forest, especially when it became part of the national park.
it was protected by government and not for sold
did you mean buy some of land and planting seeds in there?

There are still about 15,000 Comanche living in the US, mostly in the Comanche Reservation (OK) and Texas. The tradition is still very strong, with Comanche language being used in (some of) the schools and a large part of the population believing in the traditional religion.

Actually out of the 3,000 or more tribes which inhabited the US at the time of first contact, more than 1,000 have survived to this day. Compare this with the ~500 surviving tribes out of the 15,000 which inhabited the Brazil prior to the arrival of the Europeans.

In the ground. Buried. Cause they're dead.
More success doesn't mean they won.

"On the otherhand, the natives of US (such as the Comanche) had more success against the invaders."

And where are they now ?

Stop spamming. We are having a serious discussion here.

If i have a huge amount on hand i could consider buying it

The most important problem is the annual expenses (in the form of hired security, accounts, bureaucracy). We are planning to take care of that, by promoting tourism. The revenues from tourism can be diverted for the expenses. 

A privately funded natural reserve is a fantastic idea.
Using the free market for things generally associated with the Gov is a huge step in the right direction.

Hi all,

I would ike to start by telling you that I am part of BitLeu development team.
We are in the process of finalizing a plan and we will come up with a company that will plant and sell rights for the mahogany trees (Swietenia Macrophylla) in the Philippines.
The company HQ will be located in UK but there will be also HQ in the Philippines.
The prices of the trees will be much smaller than the competition and for the start it will be subsidized by our company for interested investors, in order to bring awareness to this new project. We will be also reserved in giving a huge value to the harvested trees as most of other similar businesses will inflate it or they will be just very optimistic about the value of the harvest.

My username has some connection to this type of business as it is one of my old ideas. User Crocko (also part of development team) that was posting here, made me aware of this thread and also brought back to me the idea of building such a business, but this time there is something new involved: cryptocurrencies.

I would like to thank him for his bright mind and also for the very useful, continuous help he is bringing in sustaining our ethnic cryptocurrency.
Who wants more information about our plans, numbers and anything else about this new venture, you are free to PM me.

Until then you can follow @BitLeu or www.facebook.com/bitleu, there will be updates posted there.

Thank you.

I have already posted about it. Check this.

Very positive stuff about time.

maybe we can conduct some group buy and build a rest house there

Well... if you have the money for bulk purchase of thousands of hectares of forest, then nothing will stop you.

then we can own some too

Nice idea

Well... in countries like Brazil, large chunks of rain forest are owned by private companies or individuals.

That's great. Bitcoins for the protection of the Amazonian forest. I'll also jump in with 1 BTC, if it is in 2016 or later.

Rain forests are typically govt-owned. Tough for prvt parties to buy in

Sure. I have't finalized my plans yet. Some more work needs to be done. Once I do that, I'll share my ideas to everyone here.

this is a good idea i can contribute even if i cant come with you all
this will also can save all the endangered spiecies and also to protect and preserve nature

and when the BTC will become that high im planning to establish a shelter for dogs

Please contact me then and we'll see if I'm still willing to spend 1btc. Sounds like an awesome idea imo.

Yes. I am planning to do that, when BTC hits 10K. I hope that will happen in 2015, or the latest by 2016. I am planning to organize a group of environment-loving Bitcoiners, and may spend 1 BTC each for buying up the forest. For $10,000, we can acquire 60 to 100 hectares of forest or recently destroyed forest in the Brazilian Amazon. If there are 100 people joining, then we can set up a private wildlife refuge with 6,000 ha. to 10,000 ha. in area. The maintenance can be covered with tourism. 

At the current Amazonian deforestation rate of 2,000,000 hectares / year, we need to be quick.

I would, but I'm currently low on money. So not ATM.

Exactly.

It is nice to see that so many bitcoiners actually care about the rainforest. Now the big question is, would you actually donate money for the cause of buying some hectares (assuming there was a reliable organization that had that task)?

ohh that dress is only at night because i dont want to have flue but in day time i will go gardening naked
there happy now?

Hey it's 2014 so if you insist. A bikini is def out of the question though 

I think the point is to just buy the forest to preserve it.

gardening is cool but you must wear a nice dress as a girl so i can more look like a princess than an actual gardener

I'd contribute too so on the condition i don't have to engage in any actual gardening 

or maybe a black retriver and husky will do
but not husband these animal is much more loyal than human

Great idea, and I think somebody will soon figure out how to execute a decentralised project like this with trust

Sorry guys:
A monkey can be more interesting and loyal than some husbands.
Both tend to sometimes smell bad.

wow i guess i need to be rich now then i will leave this country and find a monkey instead of having my husband on my side

Actually Brazil permits the sale of forest land to foreigners. So no worries. 

it's actually because they had low moral, they thought the conquistadors are actually the people from their prophecy

He want to do a trip, to actually see the rainforest.
I want this too. But as Slark wrote, there are people who can't afford to do this, despite they work hard every day, me included.
This is quite sad.

even if its not that expensive and even how much i want to buy
i cant because im here in the philippines
there is also some island here for sale on the north part of the country some local folks there selling their land at a very low price its near in the sea facing pacific ocean (not sure) and still part of siera madre mountain they called it honeymoon island

In the Brazilian Amazon, the land sale is normally conducted in bulk amounts. Individual plots may measure 5,000 Ha. or more. Smaller plots might not be impossible to obtain, but they will be extremely expensive.

i would love also buy for atleast 2 hectares
would it be nice to spend the vacation in a rain forest that far away from the city' dirt and pollution also from the people who is nothing to think about but their self

Why can't we hand over the land to the local NGOs? They will protect it.

Why buy rainforest thousands of miles away when you can't enforce your right of ownership?

People there can do anything with the land you "own" with you not even knowing it.

It is around $100-200 per acre.

An example here:

http://www.brazilpropertygroup.com/listing/4999/

No sorry I don't really have a clue but something tells me in my gut that it would not be so easy.  Please let us know what you find out on this matter.

Actually how much amount is needed (per hectare) to buy rainforest in the Amazon?

Yeah, I read a trip report on it yesterday. It sounded like quite an experience.

Even against the 18th century muskets, the poison tipped spears and arrows were of no use. To exterminate the 20,000 strong Botocudo tribe, the Portuguese needed just a few dozen men, each armed with nothing more than muskets and swords. The death ratio was around 1:10,000



On the otherhand, the natives of US (such as the Comanche) had more success against the invaders.

Poison tipped spears, and they hide while you are standing with a gun ready to die.
Now you are dead...RIP....and they have a gun.
Be careful, it's a jungle out there.

The tree of knowledge.  Very insightful and spiritual experience, nothing to use recreationally.

Most of the native reservations are currently flooded with illegal miners and loggers. A lot of these people are dying due to Malaria and other epidemics brought in by the invaders. But still, deforestation seems to be lower in native reservations, as compared to the surrounding public lands. It is clear from RAISG's map:

http://raisg.socioambiental.org/mapa-online/index.html

(Requires quite a lot of time to load, Deforestation is the 2nd last parameter in the Legend)

You don't have to be rich inorder to save the rain forest. For example, while buying furniture buy the brands which don't use illegally sawn wood. Spread the word around.

Thanks you, I was obviously trolling, I love rainforests and all but I am not rich enough to go and see rainforest in person and definitely too poor to buy one ;-)

Isn't that a hallucinogenic plant?

I bet they are lethal with those spears though.  After years of hunting like such some of them dudes are probably chucking spears around like Randy Johnson throwing a fastball.

The Ache of Paraguay practiced cannibalism until 1990. But they live in a region which is known as Chaco (outside the Amazon). Cannibalism was practised by the Tupi of Eastern Brazil (outside Amazonia) until the 18th century, when most of the Tupian tribes were exterminated. Amazonian Tupi never practiced cannibalism.

Out of the 2,000 nations (around 10,000 to 15,000 tribes) which populated South America before the European contact, only some 200 have survived to this date (~1,000 tribes). Most of the survivors are heavily assimilated.

Only some 70 tribes are uncontacted (completely isolated). There are no reports of any cannibalism among them. Most of these tribes number less than 20 individuals and live in pockets of forest surrounded by ranches. I have studied some two dozen of these tribes as a part of my project work. I found that the population is declining in 80% of the cases, while 20% of the tribes (mostly in the Javari) showed stable population.

There are another 70 or 80 tribes, such as the Yanomami and Xavante who have preserved their traditions. But they have also abandoned cannibalism.

Open an ayahuasca retreat in it.

You little troll 

You've got a sick mind. Why would you? If I had real intentions to damage the nature over there, I would have sold the wood for BTC ^^.

But I dont have intentions to damage the nature, I like the nature.

And that's what I get not reading full articles lol!
There are no CONFIRMED cases of cannibalism in the Amazon. However there are in New Guinea as you said.

I hope you're joking.

Yeah I always wanted to buy rainforest and then burn it down to ground...

There a few tribes in New Guinea.etc. But not in the Amazon. Cannibalism was last reported there in the 19th century.

There actually are a few tribes who still practice cannibalism. That's no reason to refrain from buying rainforest there though.

Oh yeah... not only the cannibal, Elvis also live there. Why make your ignorance known to everyone around here?

There are cannibals in amazon jungles, deal with it. Just Google it tons of cases. If u find it offensive then go and live with the cannibals

Also the guy wants to BUY forest and ur giving him links to some hippie websites that don't do shit other than spend charity money on "operational costs" (pot)

They are very flexible. You can request them to add a Bitcoin payment gateway.

Thanks for the links. It's a shame they don't accept Bitcoin though.

You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. There are no cannibals in South America. Stop being racist. Cannibalism was last reported there many centuries ago.

And for buying up forest, check these links:

http://www.stnf.org/index.html

http://savetheamazonrainforest.com/

Or you can directly contact Stalin Armijos:

https://twitter.com/StalinArmijos

I think that's what most people here are trying to prevent; no offense

probably too expensive, we could create a tourist rainforest and generate income which we would distribute among bitcoin investors aka. shareholders

Of course that tribe would still have the right to live there however they'd like!

I'd contribute too!
And who cares about the amazonian tribe that would cross it? They are closer to animals than to us, wasteful and destructive civilized humans

Lol, there are not many amazonian tribes left that has not yet had any contact with the outside world.

LOL! Never been there but I don't think they are much aggressive. Modern people have guns and they what? Spears?

Me too I will buy If u find

But not amazonian there are cannibals who will kill u

I don't know how to buy it, but I'd totally contribute with some btc for purchasing a few hectares if we had someone trustworthy that would take care of the money.

Hi guys!
Does anyone know how to buy rainforest in borneo, amazonas or something?
Would be kinda cool to create a bitcoin funded natural reserve.