buying BTC at PREEV -1% payment in EUR bank account

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Quote from: warningsigns on July 22, 2017, 12:42:37 AM

Quote from: deejayq on July 18, 2017, 06:18:02 AM

dear all,
i'm a newbie
i want to buy 200 EUR worth of BTC at PREEV -1%
i can pay in your bank account
i will require proof of identity of the owner of the bank account
i'm not familiar with ESCROW but people on this forum say it's a must, so let's use it, seller pays the fees regarding this procedure (i see on this forum that people trust other people, if the seller is trustworthy then i guess we don't need to use ESCROW)
pm for details or feel free to give here good advice

What an idiot. It's YOU who is buying BTC. It's YOU paying from your bank account. It's therefore YOU who must provide proof of identity and go through the rigors and hassles of proving bank account ownership and not the seller!

This is why criminal psychology is an ever evolving field. All these criminals thinking of ways to psychologically manipulate transactions. This is a perfect example. By writing what you wrote above, you are trying to paint a picture of yourself as someone who is vulnerable and therefore deserves all this information. This is what I see however:

1. You want people to send you sensitive information about bank account ownership. It's highly likely that this is not about buying 0.1 BTC. You are paying from a bank account which you might have hacked or stolen and yet you ask the coin seller to provide proof of ownership of his account? Why? That's the million dollar question.

2. Escrow is a must, yes, but it seems you are saying this to prevent scam busters here identifying your true intentions.

==>NOTE : this is an old thread but, i would like to post my comment <==

@warningsigns, you right. Sometime's uncivilized hacker's usually mask themselve by request of Proof of doc's from innocent seller's.

Ok, why can't he/she goes to localbitcoins where he has the possibility of dealing ONLY with user's who has verified account. He came here pretending to be new or ignorant of fraudulent activities associated with request of such document's.

FYI - For safety purpose - pls never give personal information(s) name,date,ID card no...or upload doc's to an individual. You can create on profile in order to go through the verification process on third parties website like coinbase/localbitcoins ..ecc

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Quote from: onnz423 on August 03, 2017, 04:36:05 PM

I recommend just avoiding, i know you are desperate for exchange but: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/saeidza-asking-for-sepa-transfer-without-reputation-or-escrow-2063588
I just wanted to show you the thread, instead of just ignoring.
You can wait a little longer in case someone wants to exchange, or use localbitcoins or paxful and such.
Stay safe.
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oh, i wasn't going to send him money, i was just trying to get more information. i'm not desperate for exchange.

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Quote from: deejayq on August 03, 2017, 04:29:21 PM

Quote from: saeidza on August 03, 2017, 04:23:02 PM

For SEPA wire transfer the is very low .

do they have a commission for withdrawing the BTC i buy there?

I recommend just avoiding, i know you are desperate for exchange but: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/saeidza-asking-for-sepa-transfer-without-reputation-or-escrow-2063588
I just wanted to show you the thread, instead of just ignoring.
You can wait a little longer in case someone wants to exchange, or use localbitcoins or paxful and such.
Stay safe.

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Quote from: deejayq on August 03, 2017, 04:29:21 PM

Quote from: saeidza on August 03, 2017, 04:23:02 PM

For SEPA wire transfer the is very low .

do they have a commission for withdrawing the BTC i buy there?

Yes , except you find someone who wants to deposit and you want to withdraw then s/he request for deposit and you accept !
It is like exactly escrow system !

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Quote from: saeidza on August 03, 2017, 04:23:02 PM

For SEPA wire transfer the is very low .

do they have a commission for withdrawing the BTC i buy there?

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Quote from: deejayq on August 03, 2017, 01:39:52 PM

Quote from: saeidza on August 03, 2017, 01:21:09 PM

you can buy BTC with SEPA WIRE TRANSFER on Lakebtc.com.
All users on lakebanker on Lakebtc.com are verified user.

what is their commission?

For SEPA wire transfer the is very low .

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Quote from: saeidza on August 03, 2017, 01:21:09 PM

you can buy BTC with SEPA WIRE TRANSFER on Lakebtc.com.
All users on lakebanker on Lakebtc.com are verified user.

what is their commission?

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you can buy BTC with SEPA WIRE TRANSFER on Lakebtc.com.
All users on lakebanker on Lakebtc.com are verified user.

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Quote from: hashshashin on August 02, 2017, 01:07:45 AM

I recomend stop asking for things that are over your level of understanding. You might have some problems if you will piss off the wrong guy

thanks for the advice, I hope what you wrote above was not a threat. If you want to trade you know my terms.

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Quote from: deejayq on August 02, 2017, 12:09:35 AM

Quote from: hashshashin on August 01, 2017, 11:19:38 PM

As a reminder and mayber for later quotes! ASKING FOR ANOTHER PERSON'S ID IT IS A CRIME!

If you don't have legal authorisation, asking for sharing the ID it is a crime. Wink

I think retaining someone's id is a crime, not requesting a copy.

No, actually just requesting. There is no legal purpose for asking for an ID. Maybe you want to prove is the owner of the account but still useless.

I recomend stop asking for things that are over your level of understanding. You might have some problems if you will piss off the wrong guy

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Quote from: hashshashin on August 01, 2017, 11:19:38 PM

As a reminder and mayber for later quotes! ASKING FOR ANOTHER PERSON'S ID IT IS A CRIME!

If you don't have legal authorisation, asking for sharing the ID it is a crime. Wink

I think retaining someone's id is a crime, not requesting a copy.

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As a reminder and mayber for later quotes! ASKING FOR ANOTHER PERSON'S ID IT IS A CRIME!

If you don't have legal authorisation, asking for sharing the ID it is a crime. Wink

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Quote from: deejayq on August 01, 2017, 03:52:26 PM

I didn't know that bitcoin exchange is considered an income, how will tax agency tax my bitcoin wallet? And what currency will I use to pay those taxes? I think you are missing one of the points of using bitcoin. As far as id goes, I can also provide my id if the other party requires. I just want to send the money to the owner of the account and not some third party. And how can you launder clean money

It depends on the country alot, at least on the western countries if you report a thing like that with valid reason, it is a income that still needs to be reported to the tax agency. I told you already the reasons that you asking for ID is more suspicious than the guys sending you money.

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Quote from: partnerbtc on August 01, 2017, 09:38:30 AM

Quote from: onnz423 on August 01, 2017, 09:30:58 AM

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bump

After continous bumping, i hope you realize that no one is going to send you their ID.
So the only way of getting deals, is to just remove that requirement.
You said that "you do not want to be connected" into anything "criminal" but, their ID will not help you at all.
How do the customers know if the money is "criminal" that you are sending them, because i think there is a bigger unethical thing happening behind those curtains rather than bitcoin.
Also, you still can get charged for money laundering as far as i know, and the ID is not going to help you with that. You just need to provide your income to the tax agency and that is.

I hope you do finally realize this, and stop trying to reach the impossible.

he want to look a naive guy asking how localbitcoin escrow work maybe he have some hidden things

do you know how localbitcoins escrow works outside of localbitcoins? Because I don't and I keep reading here about people exchanging BTC in this forum and using lbc escrow.

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Quote from: onnz423 on August 01, 2017, 09:30:58 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

bump

After continous bumping, i hope you realize that no one is going to send you their ID.
So the only way of getting deals, is to just remove that requirement.
You said that "you do not want to be connected" into anything "criminal" but, their ID will not help you at all.
How do the customers know if the money is "criminal" that you are sending them, because i think there is a bigger unethical thing happening behind those curtains rather than bitcoin.
Also, you still can get charged for money laundering as far as i know, and the ID is not going to help you with that. You just need to provide your income to the tax agency and that is.

I hope you do finally realize this, and stop trying to reach the impossible.

I didn't know that bitcoin exchange is considered an income, how will tax agency tax my bitcoin wallet? And what currency will I use to pay those taxes? I think you are missing one of the points of using bitcoin. As far as id goes, I can also provide my id if the other party requires. I just want to send the money to the owner of the account and not some third party. And how can you launder clean money?

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Quote from: onnz423 on August 01, 2017, 09:30:58 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

bump

After continous bumping, i hope you realize that no one is going to send you their ID.
So the only way of getting deals, is to just remove that requirement.
You said that "you do not want to be connected" into anything "criminal" but, their ID will not help you at all.
How do the customers know if the money is "criminal" that you are sending them, because i think there is a bigger unethical thing happening behind those curtains rather than bitcoin.
Also, you still can get charged for money laundering as far as i know, and the ID is not going to help you with that. You just need to provide your income to the tax agency and that is.

I hope you do finally realize this, and stop trying to reach the impossible.

he want to look a naive guy asking how localbitcoin escrow work maybe he have some hidden things

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Quote from: ?? on ??

bump

After continous bumping, i hope you realize that no one is going to send you their ID.
So the only way of getting deals, is to just remove that requirement.
You said that "you do not want to be connected" into anything "criminal" but, their ID will not help you at all.
How do the customers know if the money is "criminal" that you are sending them, because i think there is a bigger unethical thing happening behind those curtains rather than bitcoin.
Also, you still can get charged for money laundering as far as i know, and the ID is not going to help you with that. You just need to provide your income to the tax agency and that is.

I hope you do finally realize this, and stop trying to reach the impossible.

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Quote from: hashshashin on July 23, 2017, 03:52:42 PM

Quote from: deejayq on July 23, 2017, 02:01:08 PM

Quote from: LeGaulois on July 23, 2017, 01:48:10 PM

You can go to kraken.com and do this yourself without the need of someone. You just deposit money and buy like at the supermarket. There is no verification need up to tier 3 (you just give your name, last name, phone, address)
Honestly, I don't think you will find someone here who want to deal with a 1% above preev. Specially if the guy needs to send his pic. That's why I proposed to go to kraken.

Kraken, btc-e, cex have all sorts of fees for deposits, withdrawals and transactions, they complicate things.

I dono't understand what are you doing here. Why not using localbitcoins? Do you understand what is the price of the bitcoin? Are you here just to scam or trying to?

I am totally sure that meantime since you created the thread more than enough people texted you.

Did you did any succesful trade?

Don't mean to be rude but it's pretty simple: people who sell bitcoins want money they can have access to easy. Why make owners of localbitcoins rich by paying them transaction fees (oh and btw you can't sell me let's say 50 USD worth of BTC on localbitcoins because you have to deposit at least 0.1 BTC. Let's say you do have 0.1 BTC to keep in your localbitcoins account, you try to deposit and, baam, they take a deposit fee called "incoming bitcoin network fee", if that's even a thing)? Bitcointalk forum offers everything an exchange offers except it's free (you have buyers, you have sellers, you have escrow, you even have a place to chat, like we're doing right now). I think it's easier for the people selling BTC to just receive the money in their bank account instead of PayPal or Western Union or whatnot. How easy is it to pay let's say you electrical bill or cell phone bill with PayPal or Western Union?

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Quote from: deejayq on July 23, 2017, 02:01:08 PM

Quote from: LeGaulois on July 23, 2017, 01:48:10 PM

You can go to kraken.com and do this yourself without the need of someone. You just deposit money and buy like at the supermarket. There is no verification need up to tier 3 (you just give your name, last name, phone, address)
Honestly, I don't think you will find someone here who want to deal with a 1% above preev. Specially if the guy needs to send his pic. That's why I proposed to go to kraken.

Kraken, btc-e, cex have all sorts of fees for deposits, withdrawals and transactions, they complicate things.

I dono't understand what are you doing here. Why not using localbitcoins? Do you understand what is the price of the bitcoin? Are you here just to scam or trying to?

I am totally sure that meantime since you created the thread more than enough people texted you.

Did you did any succesful trade?

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Quote from: LeGaulois on July 23, 2017, 01:48:10 PM

You can go to kraken.com and do this yourself without the need of someone. You just deposit money and buy like at the supermarket. There is no verification need up to tier 3 (you just give your name, last name, phone, address)
Honestly, I don't think you will find someone here who want to deal with a 1% above preev. Specially if the guy needs to send his pic. That's why I proposed to go to kraken.

Kraken, btc-e, cex have all sorts of fees for deposits, withdrawals and transactions, they complicate things.

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You can go to kraken.com and do this yourself without the need of someone. You just deposit money and buy like at the supermarket. There is no verification need up to tier 3 (you just give your name, last name, phone, address)
Honestly, I don't think you will find someone here who want to deal with a 1% above preev. Specially if the guy needs to send his pic. That's why I proposed to go to kraken.

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Quote from: ActiveP on July 23, 2017, 01:31:39 PM

Whatever you do, always use an escrow when dealing on this forum. It may be slow and cumbersome some times, but it is better to be safe than sorry. I will go without escrow for only a few members here, because I have transacted reasonable amounts with them in the past, even that is still risky as accounts are hacked and sold regularly here.

I hope nobody falls for this and send in their ID, Op you are not a bank or financial institution, and there are laws governing KYC. Since you are an anonymous person on the internet, it will be stupid for anybody to send you their ID. Just having their bank account details is enough.

Thank you for your advice. Sites that exchange BTC require users to be verified aka send identification documents to protect themselves, I think it's a good practice.

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Whatever you do, always use an escrow when dealing on this forum. It may be slow and cumbersome some times, but it is better to be safe than sorry. I will go without escrow for only a few members here, because I have transacted reasonable amounts with them in the past, even that is still risky as accounts are hacked and sold regularly here.

I hope nobody falls for this and send in their ID, Op you are not a bank or financial institution, and there are laws governing KYC. Since you are an anonymous person on the internet, it will be stupid for anybody to send you their ID. Just having their bank account details is enough.

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Quote from: gial1949 on July 23, 2017, 10:55:11 AM

Quote from: deejayq on July 23, 2017, 08:55:17 AM

But when I send money the receiver sees where the money is coming from and he/she can compare with the identification I provide.

better solution is localbitcoins where you can find a seller with id verified with localbtc ..i sent a pm reply back

Thank you for your reply but localbitcoins has all sort of fees: for transaction, for BTC deposit and for BTC withdrawal. If you want we can trade there but you have to pay all the fees.

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Quote from: deejayq on July 23, 2017, 08:55:17 AM

But when I send money the receiver sees where the money is coming from and he/she can compare with the identification I provide.

better solution is localbitcoins where you can find a seller with id verified with localbtc ..i sent a pm reply back

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But when I send money the receiver sees where the money is coming from and he/she can compare with the identification I provide.

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Quote from: deejayq on July 23, 2017, 08:45:55 AM

You are wrong indeed. As far as I know to send money to a bank account you have to know the name of the bank account owner. If the person sends fake id he can't withdraw the money (or am I wrong?). I think the bank transfers are one of the safest types of transfers and it keeps scammers away. Don't be a hater!

You will see their name, but they won't see yours so you could use fake ID as well.
Trust me, you'll have customers if you remove that rule about havingto send you an ID.
So if you send some form of ID, they cannot know if it is really you or not.

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You are wrong indeed. As far as I know to send money to a bank account you have to know the name of the bank account owner. If the person sends fake id he can't withdraw the money (or am I wrong?). I think the bank transfers are one of the safest types of transfers and it keeps scammers away. Don't be a hater!

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Quote from: deejayq on July 22, 2017, 09:25:28 AM

What are you talking about? Of course I want to see some identification, I don't want my bank account to be linked with criminal activity. I will also provide identification. Oh, and what gives you the right to call me an idiot?

Just lock the thread, sounds to me just like you want to do identity theft.
Also any identification is not going to avoid you any kind of investigation, if we assume that it did have something to do with criminal activity.
You indeed are clueless about what you are doing (or just trying to do identity theft, as i assume).
Anyone can send you fake ID, or some other stolen ID as well, and you will not know at all because names are not visible on bank transfers (at least on SEPA-transfers).
This just is so fishy.

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What are you talking about? Of course I want to see some identification, I don't want my bank account to be linked with criminal activity. I will also provide identification. Oh, and what gives you the right to call me an idiot?

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Quote from: deejayq on July 18, 2017, 06:18:02 AM

dear all,
i'm a newbie
i want to buy 200 EUR worth of BTC at PREEV -1%
i can pay in your bank account
i will require proof of identity of the owner of the bank account
i'm not familiar with ESCROW but people on this forum say it's a must, so let's use it, seller pays the fees regarding this procedure (i see on this forum that people trust other people, if the seller is trustworthy then i guess we don't need to use ESCROW)
pm for details or feel free to give here good advice

What an idiot. It's YOU who is buying BTC. It's YOU paying from your bank account. It's therefore YOU who must provide proof of identity and go through the rigors and hassles of proving bank account ownership and not the seller!

This is why criminal psychology is an ever evolving field. All these criminals thinking of ways to psychologically manipulate transactions. This is a perfect example. By writing what you wrote above, you are trying to paint a picture of yourself as someone who is vulnerable and therefore deserves all this information. This is what I see however:

1. You want people to send you sensitive information about bank account ownership. It's highly likely that this is not about buying 0.1 BTC. You are paying from a bank account which you might have hacked or stolen and yet you ask the coin seller to provide proof of ownership of his account? Why? That's the million dollar question.

2. Escrow is a must, yes, but it seems you are saying this to prevent scam busters here identifying your true intentions.

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Quote from: deejayq on July 18, 2017, 06:18:02 AM

dear all,
i'm a newbie
i want to buy 200 EUR worth of BTC at PREEV -1%
i can pay in your bank account
i will require proof of identity of the owner of the bank account
i'm not familiar with ESCROW but people on this forum say it's a must, so let's use it, seller pays the fees regarding this procedure (i see on this forum that people trust other people, if the seller is trustworthy then i guess we don't need to use ESCROW)
pm for details or feel free to give here good advice

explain how much need or want buy bitcoin.

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Quote from: Kand1990 on July 18, 2017, 06:26:26 AM

Can you please explain why you would require someone's ID with all these identity theft happening online, will you also be providing your ID copy also to prove you won't use the other party's ID for fraudulent activity?

To also avoid this you can use skype and do a video call and show each other your IDs there to prove there won't be any fraudulent activity with someone's ID.

i wasn't aware of any identity theft happening online, but thanks for letting me know. (i saw a lot of sites ask for this kind of things like ID, passport, driver's license, bank statement, utility bill etc.)
i can do such a thing, starting from 17.00 (GMT+2) (when i'm at home)

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Can you please explain why you would require someone's ID with all these identity theft happening online, will you also be providing your ID copy also to prove you won't use the other party's ID for fraudulent activity?

To also avoid this you can use skype and do a video call and show each other your IDs there to prove there won't be any fraudulent activity with someone's ID.

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dear all,
i want to buy BTC at PREEV -1%
i can pay in your EUR bank account (SEPA)
i might require proof of identity of the owner of the bank account, based on the seller's history and whatnot
the seller has to use ESCROW and has to pay the fees associated with it, if that's the case (if the seller is trustworthy i don't need ESCROW)
pm for details or feel free to give here good advice

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