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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it?

Trading and investing are different, if you are engaging in the margin, leveraged and futures markets, you are trading. This is different from buying on the spot market or directly into your wallet. In the former, you risk losing all your money to liquidation if the price moves too much against your position. But in Investing, you can never lose all your money even if your asset devalues and it will gain back for you if it moves above your buying price.

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How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

This is a good question which shows you are thoughtful. Bitcoin moves in price and the lower the price, the cheaper it is and the more money you can make from it. For this, Bitcoin is better bought in the past than now and it becomes riskier to buy with decreased possible gains as it progresses.

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Difference between buying bitcoin and trading it with someone is how you get it. Buying bitcoin usually means paying fixed price through website or broker. Trading bitcoin with someone on the other hand means agreeing on price with that person. Long time ago people mostly traded bitcoin with each other at prices they agreed on mostly online. This was because there were no big websites to buy and sell bitcoin safely. As time passed these websites appeared making it easier and safer to buy and sell bitcoin at fixed prices which is how most people do it today.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

It's your private keys, it's your bitcoins.

If you understand this saying, also a big warning, you will never give your money and bitcoin to someone else holding it for you, and doing anything for you like investment or trading with your money or bitcoin.

Buying it, storing it, investing it, trading it, let's do it all by yourself.

Trading is not easy and doesn't give you great ROI like holding Bitcoin. See the following ROI table.
https://casebitcoin.com/charts

Do you think by trading, you will get +9.5 million% ROI after 14 years?

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

You might have gotten a bit of confused, I guess you mean buying Bitcoin (HODL) and trading (leverage) “acquire” means to (own) which involves holding Bitcoin, whereas trading involves both buying and selling of Bitcoin, you trade, buy or sell to make profit, basically when the price is low (buy) and sell when the price is high (sell).
Therefore, if you're looking for the best way to profit from Bitcoin, HODL got you covered. Don't trade leverage if you are a newbie, leverage is meant for experience and pro traders.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

Buying Bitcoin and trading it is interrelated but doesn't actually mean one side because we have people who loves trading and we also have people who do more of storing Bitcoin, so both parties couldn't have attained any Bitcoin without buying it, so the only way for a trader to do their trading is after they bought Bitcoin while the holders also buys Bitcoin but with no intention of selling it as soon as they bought it. However I don't remember the days you are talking about only buying Bitcoin for others to trade for them, it has never been a custom for Bitcoin but is only for individuals who had the need to.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

Bitcoin isn't bought at a fixed price, the price varies due to the increase in the value as the day goes by, buy Bitcoin differs from trading Bitcoin, you only trade it on trading platforms and exchanges but you can buy from individuals and on those trading platforms too.

When buying on the trading platforms you see the real time price as it moves with the variations and you can actually convert from one cryptocurrency to another on those platforms before and after trading, but with buying you just acquire these assets and keep in your wallet and you get only small effects of the market volatiles affecting your assets when volatility is high but while trading u experience it real time, so the difference is just clear.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

Maybe you should clarify the exact question you would ask since you cannot do trade if you don't buy Bitcoin.

But will assume that you talk about long term holding or HODL vs Trading.

Long term holding require patience or consistency since the only thing you need here is to buy Bitcoin at whatever price it reach. Your primary target is to accumulate as many Bitcoins as you can since usually the target years set by people engaging with this type of invest will last minimum to 4 years and maximum to 10 years.

Trading usually it goes with short term activities and I'm not actually comfortable trading Bitcoin for short term since usually we would never get any good result with it. But if you want to try just to experience things maybe try to work with those things and see for yourself on what methods or investment type you want to execute.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

Your questions are not well aligned, you should have make it proper for people to understand.
However, the question I expected you to ask as a newbie on the crypto space is "bitcoin investment and trading which is the best to do". Buying and selling is also part of trading because you send to someone and get fiat, so it's called trade.
If you looking forward to make gains through Bitcoin, you must invest for long term, maybe 2 circles or more.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it?

It both means exchanging your money for Bitcoin. So, whatever is the best way for you to have bitcoin then you do it. If it means you buying using your fiat, just do it. But if you have a better strategy by trading it with someone with whatever you own in exchange of Bitcoin then you have to do it as well.

Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

Mostly, long time ago it's about P2P although there's still P2P markets nowadays but many prefer to just do it within the market's centralized exchanges.

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Whatever is easiest for you, just do that.

If you don’t have technical trading skills, I suggest keeping it simple - just buy and hold for the long term. If early buyers were able to make a decent profit, then following their strategy isn’t a bad idea.

At the end of the day, only you know your own skills in investing. But like I said, keep it simple, buy and hold. It’s a proven strategy that has made investors profitable, especially those who trust Bitcoin and don’t panic when the market goes bearish.

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Quote from: robertcarlyle on February 04, 2025, 10:34:56 PM

Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

There are a couple of major things that actually differentiates them and one of them is actually risk to reward ratio. You will find out that buying bitcoin puts you in a position of way lower risk in term of profit and loss compared to trading. In addition to this, you need to be able to make proper analysis to be able to get the most out of your bitcoin trades compared to just buying and hodling.

Nevertheless in general hodling bitcoin is way more easier than buying bitcoins. This is the reason why most people prefer to just buy rather than taking risks they can't guarantee by trading it when they don't have sufficient knowledge about it.

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the words buying and 'trading to acquire' mean the same thing, as the acquire part indicates a buy, not a sell

but just the word 'trading' is the action of selling or buying which is where it discusses 2 people trading (the buyer and seller)
but just the word 'trading' is the action of selling and buying which is where it discusses 1 repeatedly trading (buy low sell high repeat)

seems you are now asking silly questions google can tell you answers to in seconds in regard to grammar and definitions. please use a dictionary and not spam the forum

as for today "buying at a fixed price"
people (mostly wealthy people) dont use publicly open exchanges to trade, but instead do private deals using contracts which stipulate a fixed price
for instance doing a deal with a mining pool or an asic farm, whereby a investor does a contract to pay fiat upfront to cover the miners costs, to then be given any/all/some of the block rewards for the next X months at y fixed rate
other things called 'darkpools'(not confused with darknet), OTC platforms, private contract brokers. allow for private trades to be done to buy or sell outside of public price discovering exchange markets

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Whats the difference between actually buying bitcoin and trading it with someone for a price in order to acquire it? Werent the early days the latter and not actually buying it but paying someone else to trade it and thus acquiring it? How did "buying" bitcoin a really long time ago change from how today people buy it at a fixed price?

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