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November 22, 2016, 01:55:17 PM
#55
This an utopia, the water to entire Central Valley is fed from another state, for this purpose even built the Hoover Dam.

I am not sure about it. As per my information, most of the water which is used for irrigation in the Central Valley comes from the highlands of Northern California. And regarding the Hoover Dam, most of the water from there is used up in Nevada and Arizona. Only a small portion reaches California.
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November 22, 2016, 01:00:45 PM
#54

This an utopia, the water to entire Central Valley is fed from another state, for this purpose even built the Hoover Dam.

I spent a fair number of weekends exploring the Sierras across from the Bay Area.  Many if not all of the many major watershed draining the Western slope have dams.  IIRC, the water from lake Edison is used 9 times for power generation then becomes irrigation for the Central Valley.

I suspect that you are flatly wrong in implying that Hoover Dam water is a factor in most of the Central Valley irrigation, though it would not surprise me if it may have been used for that purpose in the Southern parts or in the now parched areas East of LA.

One the other side of the Sierra range, the city of Los Angeles owns the property around Mono Lake.  I know because there are signs all over the place marking it as such.  The lake itself has been much reduced.

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November 22, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
#53
Nice thought, but there is no right to secede, as the Pledge of Allegiance states “one nation, under God, indivisible.”

The Pledge is not binding on anyone.

While the California Government may not have the right to secede, the people do. If they want to secede, all they have to do is depart out of the Government. Then form a new Government by voluntary association among themselves, and use the jury to dismiss anything the Federal Government tries to do to them. After all, the jury and proclamations in the Preamble to the US Constitution, along with the 6th, 7th, 9th, and 10th Amendments spell this out to the Federal Government, so that the Federal Government can see right in its own documents that they have no authority over the JURY.

This way California will never need to secede. Their new voluntary agreement nation will simply exist and do everything in California, while the formal California State will do nothing except just sit there. If it does nothing, who cares?

If the people of the Southern States had done this before the Civil war, there would have been no Civil War. But, people are ignorant and unthinking. And the Federal Government likes to keep them this way.

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November 22, 2016, 11:08:41 AM
#52
This an utopia, the water to entire Central Valley is fed from another state, for this purpose even built the Hoover Dam.
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November 19, 2016, 10:51:36 AM
#51
Pesticides and/or geoengineering and/or something already has done great damage.  My bee-keeper friend tells me with some authority that keepers don't even bring their bees there anymore, and isolate their non-CA hives from any which have been in the central valley because something which nobody understands is going on.  But not to worry: robotic drone bees can come to the rescue so I read in the new-age scientism rags.  I'm sure they won't be doing double-duty by data collecting (aka, spying) with a high granularity though.

As for water, I note with interest that under the super-eco government they were poisoning aquifers with oil drilling waste.  Wouldn't it be a crying shame if the state developed a severe shortage of water?  I mean in such a disaster poor Jerry and his minions might need to take a lot more control of even more aspects of resource management and people would have to pay a lot more for water.  People might just have to be stack-n-pack'd in mega-regions.  To 'save the earth' ya-know.

One very key element of 'austerity' is that those who control resources (multi-national corporate interests mostly these days) can get a lot more money for a lot less product.  'Climate change' is a total scam, but it is only part of the game here.  An important and key part to be sure however.

But even with all this pollution, California remains as the agricultural powerhouse of the United States. Still, it needs to be seen how the sector will perform once the state secede from the United States. I am not very sure whether the remainder of the US would still prefer fruit and wine from California over those from foreign countries, if the state becomes an independent sovereign nation.
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November 18, 2016, 10:40:49 PM
#50

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November 18, 2016, 01:45:11 PM
#49
CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Climate change will destroy the agricultural sector in the Central Valley. Already, the state is facing a severe drought, and the situation is likely to escalate in the future. Also, the water-rich Northern California is heavily Republican, and they are unlikely to support the secession.

Pesticides and/or geoengineering and/or something already has done great damage.  My bee-keeper friend tells me with some authority that keepers don't even bring their bees there anymore, and isolate their non-CA hives from any which have been in the central valley because something which nobody understands is going on.  But not to worry: robotic drone bees can come to the rescue so I read in the new-age scientism rags.  I'm sure they won't be doing double-duty by data collecting (aka, spying) with a high granularity though.

As for water, I note with interest that under the super-eco government they were poisoning aquifers with oil drilling waste.  Wouldn't it be a crying shame if the state developed a severe shortage of water?  I mean in such a disaster poor Jerry and his minions might need to take a lot more control of even more aspects of resource management and people would have to pay a lot more for water.  People might just have to be stack-n-pack'd in mega-regions.  To 'save the earth' ya-know.

One very key element of 'austerity' is that those who control resources (multi-national corporate interests mostly these days) can get a lot more money for a lot less product.  'Climate change' is a total scam, but it is only part of the game here.  An important and key part to be sure however.


Bees are dying all over the world. It's probably not genetic engineering is to blame. I think the reason is that fields are treated with herbicides and pesticides. Bees are not adapted to them.
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November 18, 2016, 11:52:01 AM
#48
CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Climate change will destroy the agricultural sector in the Central Valley. Already, the state is facing a severe drought, and the situation is likely to escalate in the future. Also, the water-rich Northern California is heavily Republican, and they are unlikely to support the secession.

Pesticides and/or geoengineering and/or something already has done great damage.  My bee-keeper friend tells me with some authority that keepers don't even bring their bees there anymore, and isolate their non-CA hives from any which have been in the central valley because something which nobody understands is going on.  But not to worry: robotic drone bees can come to the rescue so I read in the new-age scientism rags.  I'm sure they won't be doing double-duty by data collecting (aka, spying) with a high granularity though.

As for water, I note with interest that under the super-eco government they were poisoning aquifers with oil drilling waste.  Wouldn't it be a crying shame if the state developed a severe shortage of water?  I mean in such a disaster poor Jerry and his minions might need to take a lot more control of even more aspects of resource management and people would have to pay a lot more for water.  People might just have to be stack-n-pack'd in mega-regions.  To 'save the earth' ya-know.

One very key element of 'austerity' is that those who control resources (multi-national corporate interests mostly these days) can get a lot more money for a lot less product.  'Climate change' is a total scam, but it is only part of the game here.  An important and key part to be sure however.

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November 18, 2016, 07:01:59 AM
#47
CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Climate change will destroy the agricultural sector in the Central Valley. Already, the state is facing a severe drought, and the situation is likely to escalate in the future. Also, the water-rich Northern California is heavily Republican, and they are unlikely to support the secession.
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November 18, 2016, 06:23:49 AM
#46
Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.

California will not be able to exist as an independent country. If they secede from the United States, then the only viable option for them is to merge with Mexico (even Arizona and New Mexico can try this). The local economy will disintegrate if they remain as an independent nation.

I agree with you. It is impossible to separate without loss. This is a very stupid move for the economy. She is not ready to be independent
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November 18, 2016, 05:33:38 AM
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Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.

California will not be able to exist as an independent country. If they secede from the United States, then the only viable option for them is to merge with Mexico (even Arizona and New Mexico can try this). The local economy will disintegrate if they remain as an independent nation.

You have to have some reason to say this before it makes sense.

When I was down there in the dot-com days, they loved to say that it was the 5th largest economy in the world.  (When I was in Texas those folks liked to brag about everything being big, but their deer looked like large rabbits to me.)  CA's central valley is productive enough to supply the entire U.S. with enough food to eat, and they have water coming out their ears (if they had not torn out all their dams and flush most of it down the rivers in order to save a certain small fish.)

Basically, CA has the natural resources to make a fairly thriving independent nation.  Their only real problem is that they got all fucked up in the head somehow.  It's a matter of conjecture whether they became a death-cult as a result of the brain eating virus or the other way around.  One way or another, they could more easily lose Silicon Valley than they may imagine.  It is composed in large part by migrants who've left for greener pastures before and are quite capable of doing so again.

Joining with Mexico would shorten CA's TTL by a few hops as the new owners carve up the spoils, but the end result is the same.  Their kind of sickness could eventually drag the rest of the U.S. down as they chronically infect other states via money'd expats (most recently Colorado seems to have fallen quite ill) so I hope they declare independence sooner than later.

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November 18, 2016, 05:02:12 AM
#44
Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.

California will not be able to exist as an independent country. If they secede from the United States, then the only viable option for them is to merge with Mexico (even Arizona and New Mexico can try this). The local economy will disintegrate if they remain as an independent nation.
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November 18, 2016, 02:49:42 AM
#43
This reminds me of "fallout: new Vegas" with the New California Republic.   
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November 17, 2016, 09:34:19 PM
#42
Nice thought, but there is no right to secede, as the Pledge of Allegiance states “one nation, under God, indivisible.”

LoL!  The constitution came first, holmes.  I mean, thanks for pointing out you were brainwashed in elmentary school and all but at this point you are reading on your own so take a look at some other views:

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/secession-its-constitutional/
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November 17, 2016, 07:02:40 PM
#41
Good for you California, I have just one more suggestion to your independency:

Take all illegal imigrants of USA and send them to your lovely new country, join to Mexico and become the Mexfornia. I give 2 months to you beg for clemency to USA again.
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November 17, 2016, 02:35:11 PM
#40

Whoever said that Jerry Brown and his manipulative totalitarian ilk and Bitcoin don't mix is dead on.  These people have a plan for you and it certainly doesn't include individual expressions of economic freedom.  I fear that the same will be able to be said about Donald J. Trump as well though Sad  Hope to be wrong about this.

As for CA's Independence, as someone who has spent considerable time in both CA (where I was a migrant laborer in the tech sector) and the more rural areas of the states to the North, I think this is a great idea.  There is one major pre-requisite though.  Build a wall FIRST.  Before CA turns into the next Venezuela, and that won't take very long.

Another issue is that there is something of a natural wall formed by a mountain range, but the trouble with this is that the folks in Northern CA don't really deserve the hell brought on them from those in the more South and central population centers.  I'm sure they would agree, and they would be a welcome addition to a more functional grouping once the South-Central cultists have cut themselves free.

Yet another issue is that there are plenty of CA-strain viruses which have taken hold here in the otherwise nice areas of Oregon, and a related strain which has completely infected the Portland area.  This is particularly unfortunate due to our demographics.  It would be great if we could sneeze a lot of these types either down South to CA from whence they came, or up North to the Seattle area which I don't give two shits about before the separation.

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November 17, 2016, 08:58:47 AM
#39
The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

LOL. No.

These two things (California government and Bitcoin) do not mix.

I wish you guys all the best though. The smaller and more local the government, the better it can represent the desires of the people.

If if doesn't work out, the entire population of California can just move to Canada and I can finally surf the west coast!

Bitcoin and government. That's a new thing  that we have never seen. Could it be reality?
Yes!
actually
Bitcoin will BE the government soon.
look at the current elections going on in bitcoin land Core Vs the_other_guys
what we have is true democracy, a living breathing system of governance.

thats the future my friend

Bravo! Demise is the eventual fate of every totalitarianism! Now it's time to bring Calcoin into reality. We have created the official website and please share this link with everyone who loves freedom http://caindependence.me.pn/
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November 17, 2016, 02:09:59 AM
#38
The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

LOL. No.

These two things (California government and Bitcoin) do not mix.

I wish you guys all the best though. The smaller and more local the government, the better it can represent the desires of the people.

If if doesn't work out, the entire population of California can just move to Canada and I can finally surf the west coast!

Bitcoin and government. That's a new thing  that we have never seen. Could it be reality?
Yes!
actually
Bitcoin will BE the government soon.
look at the current elections going on in bitcoin land Core Vs the_other_guys
what we have is true democracy, a living breathing system of governance.

thats the future my friend
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November 16, 2016, 11:11:02 PM
#37
The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

LOL. No.

These two things (California government and Bitcoin) do not mix.

I wish you guys all the best though. The smaller and more local the government, the better it can represent the desires of the people.

If if doesn't work out, the entire population of California can just move to Canada and I can finally surf the west coast!

Bitcoin and government. That's a new thing  that we have never seen. Could it be reality?
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November 16, 2016, 10:35:51 PM
#36
I hope this effort is successful.  The morally, ethically, financially bankrupt federal government is out of control.  If CA manages to leave then I hope it opens doors for TX to leave.  Let CA convinces WA and OR to go with them.  Then let TX take all of those red flyover states down the center of the country.  Leaving the eastern sea board to drown in DC corruption and filth.  We would all be better off.  People would get what they wanted without forcing everyone to live with one size fits everything.  The do it our way or else has to come to an end.  States should have rights, but don't.  People have a voice but it isn't heard.  The goal is one world government with total corporate/banker/elite control of everything.  It is time to put an end to the madness.

I disagree with just about everything posted in the OP first post, but CA leaving the union I am all for it.  For completely different reasons than the OP, but I whole heartedly support your effort.  It will mean greater freedom, equality, and justice for all if states take back their rights.  If that means leaving the union then so be it. 

To me this has nothing to do with Trump.  Trump is owned by the same monsters that own Obama, and owned Bush, owned Clinton yada yada yada... They have their own agenda that has nothing to do with you or me.  They are after control of the whole world and to do the bidding of their masters.  The sooner people start to understand the forces at play and who the puppets really are then maybe you will have taken the pill that wakes you up from the Matrix.  I think some people out here in cryto get that, but I still think it is a minority.

So rock on, mobilize the grass roots, and lets get this CAEXIT rolling!  BTW, I don't know what you will do for water, but we will continue to sell it to you as long as you want to a good trading partner.  Smiley
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November 16, 2016, 10:08:17 PM
#35
 Smiley Grin  This guy right here.....he nails it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpi3F0E5ro
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November 16, 2016, 08:38:25 PM
#33
I'm all for it. Hopefully they can get the votes in Washington to get it done. Can you even imagine if that happened? All the liberals would flock from virtually every major city to their new homeland. They can finally have their own government, etc.

FINALLY, the liberals would have their imaginary Utopia.

The rest of the country would immediately turn into all red states, and hopefully not long after that, "the big one" will hit and Cali will fall off into the damn ocean and we can watch all the rats drown in one epic moment of "win."
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November 16, 2016, 08:16:10 PM
#32
So CA would not accept USD anymore that it accepts Yen or Pesos now. My guess is CalCoin or whatever will not have an immutable blockchain that takes too much power out of government hands
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November 16, 2016, 04:39:37 AM
#31
The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

Isn't Potcoin a better option for them if they succeed to exit? If it really they can get out, I wouldn't be surprise if there will be a calicoin later or calexitcoin. Thier independence and switching to btc would be good for crypto economy. Smiley

That's absolutely on our agenda. Calcoin will be built on a bitcoin standard monetary system!

That what you mean?) Is never going to happen. The government does not allow it. This incurs losses to the state. After all, if it will make one part of the country, then others will follow.

If Bitcoin has the same functionality as gold does, then it would be natural to derive Bitcoin standard from gold standard. The government will not allow circulation of Bitcoins, rather, it issues Calcoin which trust is backed by the Bitcoin balance of the government. The mining cost is the counterpart of storage cost for gold.
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November 16, 2016, 04:26:20 AM
#30
The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

Isn't Potcoin a better option for them if they succeed to exit? If it really they can get out, I wouldn't be surprise if there will be a calicoin later or calexitcoin. Thier independence and switching to btc would be good for crypto economy. Smiley

That's absolutely on our agenda. Calcoin will be built on a bitcoin standard monetary system!

That what you mean?) Is never going to happen. The government does not allow it. This incurs losses to the state. After all, if it will make one part of the country, then others will follow.
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November 16, 2016, 03:51:14 AM
#29
The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

Isn't Potcoin a better option for them if they succeed to exit? If it really they can get out, I wouldn't be surprise if there will be a calicoin later or calexitcoin. Thier independence and switching to btc would be good for crypto economy. Smiley

That's absolutely on our agenda. Calcoin will be built on a bitcoin standard monetary system!
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November 16, 2016, 03:17:56 AM
#28
I really doubt that California will secede from the United States of America. Rather, they will seek the impeachment of trump after the first error.

I don't think that Trump can be impeached with ease. Right now, there is a Republican majority in both the Senate and the House. Impeachment is possible only if a large number of RINOs side with the Democrats. And any chance of that seems extremely remote.

To me Trump is a time bomb, so that can change overnight. At the moment, he is clearly overwhelmed with what happened. But let's just wait till he fully settles in.
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November 16, 2016, 12:16:48 AM
#27
The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

Isn't Potcoin a better option for them if they succeed to exit? If it really they can get out, I wouldn't be surprise if there will be a calicoin later or calexitcoin. Thier independence and switching to btc would be good for crypto economy. Smiley
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November 15, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
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Might have a better chance if they agree to divide CA into smaller states within CA. Maybe call it the Californian States of America. After all the CSA did so well breaking off before.  Tongue

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November 15, 2016, 07:52:20 PM
#25
California leaving the Union has little to no chance of happening. The state is one of the most liberal in the entire country, and it isn't surprising that many residents want to leave the United States after Trump was elected. While many are calling for California to secede, there is a process for it to happen, with a two-thirds approval majority needed from both the House and the Senate. If you remember, Texas also called for secession during President Obama's re-election but nothing came of it.

It will have 100% chance of happening if someone pays off Cali's debts (preferably via bitcoin). The new #Calexit domain name is live at caindependence [dot] me [dot] pn Support Cali with your heart!!!
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November 14, 2016, 02:30:05 PM
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California leaving the Union has little to no chance of happening. The state is one of the most liberal in the entire country, and it isn't surprising that many residents want to leave the United States after Trump was elected. While many are calling for California to secede, there is a process for it to happen, with a two-thirds approval majority needed from both the House and the Senate. If you remember, Texas also called for secession during President Obama's re-election but nothing came of it.

As Trump supports and understand Federalism (ex: abortion) I don't see the point of it.
I don't think America is threatened federalization. I am confident that with the elections is something not clear. Very suspicious looks of the victory of the clown.

federalization is not favorable to the government. no matter who is president. All possible measures will be taken Therefore, in order to avoid this threat
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November 14, 2016, 12:03:36 PM
#23
California leaving the Union has little to no chance of happening. The state is one of the most liberal in the entire country, and it isn't surprising that many residents want to leave the United States after Trump was elected. While many are calling for California to secede, there is a process for it to happen, with a two-thirds approval majority needed from both the House and the Senate. If you remember, Texas also called for secession during President Obama's re-election but nothing came of it.

As Trump supports and understand Federalism (ex: abortion) I don't see the point of it.
I don't think America is threatened federalization. I am confident that with the elections is something not clear. Very suspicious looks of the victory of the clown.
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November 14, 2016, 12:01:03 PM
#22
I really doubt that California will secede from the United States of America. Rather, they will seek the impeachment of trump after the first error.

I don't think that Trump can be impeached with ease. Right now, there is a Republican majority in both the Senate and the House. Impeachment is possible only if a large number of RINOs side with the Democrats. And any chance of that seems extremely remote.
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November 14, 2016, 11:59:38 AM
#21
California leaving the Union has little to no chance of happening. The state is one of the most liberal in the entire country, and it isn't surprising that many residents want to leave the United States after Trump was elected. While many are calling for California to secede, there is a process for it to happen, with a two-thirds approval majority needed from both the House and the Senate. If you remember, Texas also called for secession during President Obama's re-election but nothing came of it.

As Trump supports and understand Federalism (ex: abortion) I don't see the point of it.
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November 14, 2016, 11:30:40 AM
#20
California leaving the Union has little to no chance of happening. The state is one of the most liberal in the entire country, and it isn't surprising that many residents want to leave the United States after Trump was elected. While many are calling for California to secede, there is a process for it to happen, with a two-thirds approval majority needed from both the House and the Senate. If you remember, Texas also called for secession during President Obama's re-election but nothing came of it.
I really doubt that California will secede from the United States of America. Rather, they will seek the impeachment of trump after the first error.
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November 13, 2016, 11:36:34 PM
#19
California leaving the Union has little to no chance of happening. The state is one of the most liberal in the entire country, and it isn't surprising that many residents want to leave the United States after Trump was elected. While many are calling for California to secede, there is a process for it to happen, with a two-thirds approval majority needed from both the House and the Senate. If you remember, Texas also called for secession during President Obama's re-election but nothing came of it.

IMO, the Republicans must support the secession of California from the United States. There is no point in holding on to CA, as it is almost certain that the state will be having a Mexican majority in the near future. Also, the secession of California can save enormous amount of tax money, which is currently being spent to subsidize the welfare rats there. Imagine what would happen without the 55 electoral votes from CA. The total number of electoral college votes gets reduced to 483, with 242 needed for victory. The repubs can afford to lose all the swing states.
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November 13, 2016, 05:16:19 PM
#18
California leaving the Union has little to no chance of happening. The state is one of the most liberal in the entire country, and it isn't surprising that many residents want to leave the United States after Trump was elected. While many are calling for California to secede, there is a process for it to happen, with a two-thirds approval majority needed from both the House and the Senate. If you remember, Texas also called for secession during President Obama's re-election but nothing came of it.
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November 13, 2016, 04:53:15 PM
#17
I think the protests after some time will cease. If the police will not use the brutal crackdown. Because cruelty begets cruelty. And before the civil war is not far away!

the hardest part for the us leos is the agent provocateurs and others trouble makers (looters, opportunists). I hope that the CIA and co realize that Russia didn't exploit it. Contrary to what they did during the Olympics, putting firmly Russia on the highest moral ground.

I hope that Trump will be able to reassure the American people from all communities of his sincerity in Making America Great Again for All Americans and by extension the World. As a great America is great for the world.

i for one will enjoy seeing the silicon valley psychos given a good squeeze. they're at the pointy end of turning most of the world into a broke ass uber surveilled wasteland. it's inevitable anyway but let's make them suffer for it in the meantime.

I don't think the terms psychos is well chosen. Some have abused their powers balantly... but no one force you to use their "services". Use open source, p2p, like diaspora rather than faceproot... you know complaining is useless.

I agree that they believe that by cooperating with TPTB they will be spared... how noobish... most knowledgeable people in egyptians tombs building had to die with the One ordering it. Or at least that's the rumors... I wasn't there Cheesy.

I think the protests after some time will cease. If the police will not use the brutal crackdown. Because cruelty begets cruelty. And before the civil war is not far away!

It will die down gradually. Remember 2004? After GWB was elected for the second term, there were similar riots and protest marches (albeit on a smaller scale). Slowly these idiots will come back to their senses. Just give them some time.

the problem is that at the time, the UN and the "cultural marxists" and co were really marginalized... now they were ready to compromize with the witch to get their way... their one world order. What they don't get is that I believe that my opinion of differents legal system in different area is widely more understood in wall street than in the public.

It's too dangerous to have only one law... How to hedge legal risk in such condition? Lyod would not be happy, I bet. it's called redundancy. it's so basic.

but we all understand that the goal of the one law, is to grant themselves immunity for their crimes... like in Haiti with cholera were they claim immunity and don't answer the press... you just have to watch ban kim moon snubing all journalists...

But in all events their plan is doomed. CCCP will not surrender China sovereignty without waging a hell of a fight.

Edit: I wanted to apologize to the cia as it was nuland, biden and querry that went on destroying ukraine for various geo strategical goals (who backfired) but I remembered Brennan landing with his plan in Kiev... what a pimper.
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I think the protests after some time will cease. If the police will not use the brutal crackdown. Because cruelty begets cruelty. And before the civil war is not far away!

It will die down gradually. Remember 2004? After GWB was elected for the second term, there were similar riots and protest marches (albeit on a smaller scale). Slowly these idiots will come back to their senses. Just give them some time.
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i for one will enjoy seeing the silicon valley psychos given a good squeeze. they're at the pointy end of turning most of the world into a broke ass uber surveilled wasteland. it's inevitable anyway but let's make them suffer for it in the meantime.
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November 13, 2016, 10:47:30 AM
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I think the protests after some time will cease. If the police will not use the brutal crackdown. Because cruelty begets cruelty. And before the civil war is not far away!
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California is already bankrupt. What they will do after seceding from the United States? How they are going to provide welfare payments and food stamps to millions of individuals, without handouts from the federal government? On the other hand, Trump may welcome this move. Without California's electoral votes, Republicans are certain to win every single election in the future.

ahahah calper... and alll their pensions over 100k$ lol... such a shit hole. they shouldn't have the right to emigrate. those people are totally cray cray...
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California is already bankrupt. What they will do after seceding from the United States? How they are going to provide welfare payments and food stamps to millions of individuals, without handouts from the federal government? On the other hand, Trump may welcome this move. Without California's electoral votes, Republicans are certain to win every single election in the future.

Nice analysis Smiley I keep on reading this California Exit, but I do not think this will hppen. They are doing this protest since they can not accept Trump. I think democracy does not work this way, you have to accept the Presidential outcome even if it is not favorable to you IMHO.
I think in America it is time to review electoral legislation. I don't remember it was something like that. Initially not these provocateurs to put to the candidates. And now it's too late.
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November 13, 2016, 09:55:39 AM
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California is already bankrupt. What they will do after seceding from the United States? How they are going to provide welfare payments and food stamps to millions of individuals, without handouts from the federal government? On the other hand, Trump may welcome this move. Without California's electoral votes, Republicans are certain to win every single election in the future.

Nice analysis Smiley I keep on reading this California Exit, but I do not think this will hppen. They are doing this protest since they can not accept Trump. I think democracy does not work this way, you have to accept the Presidential outcome even if it is not favorable to you IMHO.
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November 13, 2016, 08:58:30 AM
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California is already bankrupt. What they will do after seceding from the United States? How they are going to provide welfare payments and food stamps to millions of individuals, without handouts from the federal government? On the other hand, Trump may welcome this move. Without California's electoral votes, Republicans are certain to win every single election in the future.

How they are going to provide welfare payments and food stamps to millions of individuals, without handouts from the federal government? In a few years after secession, it will turn to France then Greece then ultimately to Venezuela.
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California is already bankrupt. What they will do after seceding from the United States? How they are going to provide welfare payments and food stamps to millions of individuals, without handouts from the federal government? On the other hand, Trump may welcome this move. Without California's electoral votes, Republicans are certain to win every single election in the future.
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November 13, 2016, 08:28:26 AM
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I don't think it's a good idea. Instead of trying to ruin such a great country like America better watch out for trump at the first opportunity to impeach him.
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November 13, 2016, 07:08:20 AM
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Nice thought, but there is no right to secede, as the Pledge of Allegiance states “one nation, under God, indivisible.”

with epstein and corzine free (corzine must be in the rings only explanation) there is no nation.

The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

LOL. No.

These two things (California government and Bitcoin) do not mix.

I wish you guys all the best though. The smaller and more local the government, the better it can represent the desires of the people.

If if doesn't work out, the entire population of California can just move to Canada and I can finally surf the west coast!

L.A. the hive of the monarch programs. Don't forget all the wastes of fuku trails to the west coast (dead bio accumulated and co) be safe.



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November 13, 2016, 03:16:32 AM
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California just so decided to protest the new government. Nothing will come of it
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The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins.

LOL. No.

These two things (California government and Bitcoin) do not mix.

I wish you guys all the best though. The smaller and more local the government, the better it can represent the desires of the people.

If if doesn't work out, the entire population of California can just move to Canada and I can finally surf the west coast!
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November 13, 2016, 01:11:13 AM
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Didn't Texas want this before? I doubt it will pass.
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November 13, 2016, 01:04:16 AM
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Nice thought, but there is no right to secede, as the Pledge of Allegiance states “one nation, under God, indivisible.”
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would be a massive economy, and if expanded along the sea board...
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As Donald Trump's policies and speeches are unwelcome by Californians, they are voting the State of California out of the Federal Government. The California Republic will quit the US dollar system and switch to Bitcoins. Below is the full text of their declaration of independence. Please go to http://caindependence.me.pn to support the new California Republic.

California Declaration of Independence

In Congress, November 11, 2016.

The unanimous Declaration of the State of California, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these States; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the soon-to-be King of the United States is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has proposed to create a database system to track Muslims in the U.S.

He has advocated waterboarding as punishment even if it doesn’t help gain information, because “they deserve it anyway”.

He has been a defendant in more than 3500 lawsuits; and when confronted, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has barred reporters from campaign events for unfavorable coverage, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has praised totalitarianism and dictators, including Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi and Kim Jong-un.

He has described Fox debate moderator Megyn Kelly as having “blood coming out of her wherever”.

He has called Rosie O’Donnell a “big, fat pig”.

He has called Mexican immigrants “rapists” and “drug dealers” at announcement of campaign.

He has referred to 9/11 as 7-Eleven.

He has proposed to try U.S. citizens in Guantanamo Bay military tribunals.

He has suggested that supporters who attacked a homeless Hispanic man were “very passionate” and “love their country”.

He has claimed he’s donated $1 million to veterans’ groups, although none received any money until reporters began investigating.

He has insulted his opponents repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of becoming permanent residents.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing to release his tax returns.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for he frequently fired interns in his personal TV show without justifiable reasons.

He has erected a multitude of Trump buildings, and sent hither swarms of henchmen to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For instructing his security team to confiscate protesters’ coats and “throw them out into the cold”:

For attempting to instigate violence and conflict on election day by claiming that polling places are rigged for Hillary Clinton:

For having urged supporters to patrol polling places to combat “election fraud”:

For encouraging Second Amendment advocates shooting his opponent or her judicial appointees:

For proposing to change libel laws to make it easier to sue media organizations:

For proposing to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants:

For deriding people with disabilities:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has called for the construction of a wall across the U.S.-Mexico border to prevent immigration.

He has said the U.S. military would obey his orders regardless of their legality under the U.S. Constitution.

He has been changing his positions rapidly.

He has bragged about the size of his penis during a primary debate, yet he couldn’t prove it.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of Trumpkins to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Trumpanzees, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Lunacies We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A President whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our American brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the State of California, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Counties, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Counties are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the Federal Government, and that all political connection between them and the United States of America, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
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