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Who or what created the big bang and who/what created space? Serious question I want to know.

The Big Bang created space and space, because prior to it, space and time did not exist.

Of course, BB is just a theory with a lot of incomplete science behind it. Why incomplete science? Because nobody knows what else might exist out there, that we are not taking into account because we don't know about it, that makes it look like a BB happened when it really didin't happen.

However, if a BB happened, then we would have to figure out if it was the thing that made the universe or not.

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Quote from: SplitBirb on February 01, 2019, 04:05:45 PM

Who or what created the big bang and who/what created space? Serious question I want to know.

The Big Bang created space and space, because prior to it, space and time did not exist.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2019, 03:43:39 PM

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience.com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

Your quote doesn't say anything about "I am" or the proof of it. Does the site have proof anywhere? Science fiction writers write stuff like this all the time.

Again, complex cause and effect doesn't negate cause and effect. We haven't found anything that doesn't operate by C&E. This means that everything was programmed by whatever started the whole thing, and that the "I am" is something other than bio-electric and bio-chemical... because all was programmed to happen by C&E programming.

We are back to the fact, that as far as we scientifically know, our "I am" is simply a figment of itself.

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I think the quote says a lot about the subject, and I also think that the cited research is real and trustworthy. It is not as simple as C&E. This is complexity beyond what determinism-driven C&E thinking will achieve.

Sounds like they think that there is an electron or something, that is acting out of character regarding universe physics. If this is so, then physics doesn't hold true in the universe, and we can expect that sometime gasoline won't run in our cars anymore. We can also expect that science won't be repeatable. But if this is the case, then scientific proof won't hold for the science in the article.

C&E rules. Without finding the soul or spirit, science can't say that the "I am" is any more that determined C&E. Many scientists adamantly reject everything outside of C&E.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2019, 06:59:43 PM

Quote from: dippididodaday on February 09, 2019, 06:55:10 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2019, 03:43:39 PM

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience.com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

Your quote doesn't say anything about "I am" or the proof of it. Does the site have proof anywhere? Science fiction writers write stuff like this all the time.

Again, complex cause and effect doesn't negate cause and effect. We haven't found anything that doesn't operate by C&E. This means that everything was programmed by whatever started the whole thing, and that the "I am" is something other than bio-electric and bio-chemical... because all was programmed to happen by C&E programming.

We are back to the fact, that as far as we scientifically know, our "I am" is simply a figment of itself.

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I think the quote says a lot about the subject, and I also think that the cited research is real and trustworthy. It is not as simple as C&E. This is complexity beyond what determinism-driven C&E thinking will achieve.

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Quote from: dippididodaday on February 09, 2019, 06:55:10 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2019, 03:43:39 PM

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience.com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

Your quote doesn't say anything about "I am" or the proof of it. Does the site have proof anywhere? Science fiction writers write stuff like this all the time.

Again, complex cause and effect doesn't negate cause and effect. We haven't found anything that doesn't operate by C&E. This means that everything was programmed by whatever started the whole thing, and that the "I am" is something other than bio-electric and bio-chemical... because all was programmed to happen by C&E programming.

We are back to the fact, that as far as we scientifically know, our "I am" is simply a figment of itself.

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Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2019, 03:43:39 PM

...Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity the makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

Yes, I am!

From https://www.livescience. com/64345-amazing-brain-2018.html [see 6 of 11] the following excerpt:

"An ancient virus infected people long ago, and this invader left behind its genetic code in our DNA. This year, researchers found that snippets of that ancient viral DNA play a vital role in the communication among brain cells that's required for higher-order thinking."

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Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2019, 01:50:26 PM

...science has only found bio-electric activities regarding the thinking...

Scientists have indeed discovered ... only around 100 billion bio-electrical units (called cells), in the human brain, each of which has the capability to connect to tens of thousands other brain cells. This demonstrates the intricate and complex nature of what is going on inside your head.

Okay. Somewhat more detailed than the way I said it. Thank you for this. But...

Are you suggesting that it is the complex inter-connectivity that makes the id, or the "I am" part of us? If so, how do you know it? Are there scientific studies that have proof of this, or at least strong evidence?

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Quote from: BADecker on February 09, 2019, 01:50:26 PM

...science has only found bio-electric activities regarding the thinking...

Scientists have indeed discovered ... only around 100 billion bio-electrical units (called cells), in the human brain, each of which has the capability to connect to tens of thousands other brain cells. This demonstrates the intricate and complex nature of what is going on inside your head.

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^^^ But the above is the whole trick. Descartes may have said "I think; therefore I am." But science has only found bio-electric activities regarding the thinking. This means that the so-called "I am" is controlled by cause and effect. This means that it is essentially dictated by whatever programmed C&E to act within the laws of Physics.

I agree that "I am" exists. But we don't have any grasp of how it works. We all seem to be something like a figment of our own imaginations.

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Quote from: SplitBirb on February 01, 2019, 04:05:45 PM

Who or what created the big bang and who/what created space? Serious question I want to know.

When you use the word "create" the human race immediately comes to mind. There is no other entity i can readily conceive of to properly fit into this category of "create". In line herewith, and not to my surprise, I am pleasantly reminded of the well known philosophical proposition uttered (written actually) by René Descartes (1596—1650) - Cogito, ergo sum - “I think; therefore I am”, which when properly analyzed, denotes the end of the existential probe Descartes conducted for a statement that could not be doubted (to find something beyond all doubt). He found that he could not doubt that he himself existed, as he was the one doing the doubting in the first place.

If anything, the search for the Highest Good in the universe, undoubtedly, in the final instance, overwhelmingly confirms that "I am" and "we are".

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Even as a scientist there are question that cannot be answer scientifically, it is beyond human comprehension, with this we should deduce that there is a supreme being in existence before men. several question calling for answer.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on February 02, 2019, 01:31:14 AM

atheist worldview has explanation just as theist worldview has explanations, the joke is both are logical and make sense

Atheism does not deal with the question of how our universe was created, religion and cosmology do.

Are you saying that atheists don't know and don't care, because they are too busy making money or something?

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No, that is not what I am saying. Read it again.

There's a point we can all live with. Cool

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Quote from: KingScorpio on February 02, 2019, 01:31:14 AM

atheist worldview has explanation just as theist worldview has explanations, the joke is both are logical and make sense

Atheism does not deal with the question of how our universe was created, religion and cosmology do.

Are you saying that atheists don't know and don't care, because they are too busy making money or something?

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No, that is not what I am saying. Read it again.

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Quote from: coins4commies on February 02, 2019, 12:13:19 PM

Who created god?

Humans.

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Most atheist answered it already science can prove it who is responsible now for the evidences or shall we say just a theoretical statement and every scientists has their own fvcking answers. But still if you questioned the atheist we all owe it to science(atheist: oh hail science!)

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Quote from: coins4commies on February 02, 2019, 12:13:19 PM

Who created god?

That's part of the question. Did man create God, or did God create man?

We know that mankind is highly ignorant of the operations of the universe. In the folowing video, David Cox bases virtually all of his understanding on the fact that there might be something or many things that we haven't found out, yet, that will change the way we understand things as we do. Listen carefully for him to say it. People are just starting to think they are figuring things out:

Brian Cox on Dark Matter & Dark Energy | Joe Rogan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVCiuPIeYUM

The point is, that if we are going to figure out all about God at all, it's going to take us a long time if we do it scientifically. And, our puny brains and computers might not ever be able to figure it out, even with AI.

The thing we need is revelation from God... if He exists. And that is what we have in religion... revelation from God. We have the basics of understanding about everything from Bible revelation, although other religions hold some God understanding at times. And it is a good thing, too, because science will never figure it out.

Scientists will be dead and gone without figuring out the way to be saved if they don't have Bible religion.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on February 02, 2019, 01:31:14 AM

atheist worldview has explanation just as theist worldview has explanations, the joke is both are logical and make sense

Atheism does not deal with the question of how our universe was created, religion and cosmology do.

Are you saying that atheists don't know and don't care, because they are too busy making money or something?

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Is this a relevant question to answer who create the universe? May be should ask how it was created? Why ask who, might be there are no one create the universe, who know the answer. I think scientist don’t want to answer a question without evidence to prove. We can’t just make up an answer without prove. If I say XXX create the universe, and do you believe that, so let based on evidence to answer a big question like that, our technology isn’t develop enough to find the correct answer yet, it might still long way to go, and may be one day we can find the correct answer, it also possible the answer will surprise everyone, just like Giordano Brunohe found out the earth orbits the sun, and that the earth is not the center of the universe.

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Quote from: af_newbie on February 02, 2019, 08:06:41 AM

Quote from: KingScorpio on February 02, 2019, 01:31:14 AM

atheist worldview has explanation just as theist worldview has explanations, the joke is both are logical and make sense

Atheism does not deal with the question of how our universe was created, religion and cosmology do.

You beat me to it. I think philosophical atheists are more concerned with epistemology, ethics and politics (the branch of philosophy which discusses how people should organize themselves then they are with cosmological questions. There isn't an atheist cosmology.

Atheists can be collectivists - see Italian Fascism, Germany's Nazi Party, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China or they can be individualists - see the American Libertarian Party.

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Quote from: KingScorpio on February 02, 2019, 01:31:14 AM

atheist worldview has explanation just as theist worldview has explanations, the joke is both are logical and make sense

Atheism does not deal with the question of how our universe was created, religion and cosmology do.

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atheist worldview has explanation just as theist worldview has explanations, the joke is both are logical and make sense

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Fixed your subject for you. This is a problem of cosmology, not religion. Religion has nothing whatsoever to do with the Big Bang unless you subscribe to the self-defeating "God of the gaps" doctrine; self-defeating because one day cosmologists may well determine the cause of the Big Bang, and everyone who used its mysteriousness as evidence of the existence of God will look even more foolish than they already do.

"If in fact the frontiers of knowledge are being pushed further and further back (and that is bound to be the case), then God is being pushed back with them, and is therefore continually in retreat. We are to find God in what we know, not in what we don't know." - Bonhoeffer

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Fixed my question and added “what”

Please share your opinions on what you think created the Big Bang and space.

Black Hole singularity explosion would be my guess.

I think cosmos is infinite in any conceivable dimension. It goes through cyclical changes, evolves, new universes are created and destroyed.
New Physics is created and destroyed somewhere in the cosmos as you read this post.

All part of nature.

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That is a good question.

I personally don't know and can't answer that.

We have a choice of A is A (the universe has always been there).

Or A came from nothing. Both options are ... impossible for me to get my mind around.

I think that A coming from nothing is an impossibility so I lean to the universe has always been there.

Now, to further go into your question, I don't think that there was "0" before the big bang. Matter was ... impossibly dense, impossibly small (or so it goes.)

Why do we think that? Because we have observed that the universe is expanding. Therefore (the thesis goes) in the past it was not as expanded as now. And, the further in the past we go the less expanded the universe. Mathematicians and physicists have extrapolated from the data we have that it would mean the universe would have started to expand 14 billion years ago, or so.

It's still a mathematical model. The data we're finding seems to back it up. (This is so far beyond me that I can't begin to evaluate either the data or the thesis.)

But, in either case, the Big Bang does not prove nor disprove God. Just as evolution does not prove or disprove God.

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Quote from: SplitBirb on February 01, 2019, 04:05:45 PM

Who created the big bang and who created space? Serious question I want to know.

That is a loaded question. Why would you think someone was responsible for this explosion?

Where is the evidence for it? Not every fallen tree has fallen because someone chopped it down.

Nobody knows for sure what happened during times less than 380,000 after the Big Bang. There is an ongoing study of gravitational waves that might shed a light on this period as well.

A better question is how the Big Bang happened?

What happens when a Black Hole collapses on itself and explodes?

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Quote from: SplitBirb on February 01, 2019, 04:05:45 PM

Who created the big bang and who created space? Serious question I want to know.

Wrong question. There is no "who". Science does not answer the question "why is the sky blue? It answers the question "how is it that our eyes / brains perceive the sky to be blue (this particular wavelength).

Asking why presupposes a creator. "Why does a rose have thorns?" "To symbolize the hardships and vicissitudes of life."

A scientist will not ask that question. He will pose a question and then test his thesis. AND, if the thesis cannot be falsified then ... it's not science.

My grave problems with global warming reporting is that it does not include how the thesis can be falsified.

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An atheist might say that space always existed, and that the big bang just happened.

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Who or what created the big bang and who/what created space? Serious question I want to know.

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