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legendary
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August 03, 2015, 11:34:52 AM
#69
I guess bankroll management doesnt have any effect on bankruptcy

Wrong, bankroll management is a must. A proper kelly criterion should be followed and this is to ensure a high roller doesnt break the house in few split of bet thus this will be limiting the house's losses as well.

their bankroll depends on the wagered, the more wagered the site get the most income they get

Wrong, although the house has the edge over for the long run but it is not a guarantee that they house will keep on winning with the more people wagering there as there will be always a day or two where the house is completely out of luck so purely depends on the wagered status isnt right at all

and with a little development I think they wont be bankrupt

Wrong again, a site that put in poor development will not attract any player. Just take a look at how many poorly developed gambling site in this board that dont attract any player at all. Basically they just put their site on launch here and hope for the best which wont work here as there are alot more far better sites in almost every aspect

References :

Minidice : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/minidicein-20000-bets-made-weekly-giveaways-social-community-dice-1091286

Doodledice : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/doodledicedottk-new-dice-site-1104611

PatDice : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/patdice-simple-to-the-point-dice-site-1109238

SawDice : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sawdice-the-new-age-of-dice-lets-play-a-game-1064019

CrimeDice : https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/crimedice-smartphonecomputer-all-countries-faucet-1083359 ( and alot more, just hit the search button )
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August 03, 2015, 11:33:26 AM
#68
I think it depends solely on the management. Look at what happened with Mt.Gox. The owner embezzled funds and it went bankrupt  Cool
well first of all mtgox wasnt a gambling site also it turned to scam so technically it did not go bankrupt, in my opinion casino cant bankrupt if it has enough funds
even if they don't have enough funds as long as they have a good site security and results that favors more on the site owner, they will not go bankrupt
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August 03, 2015, 11:15:42 AM
#67
I think it depends solely on the management. Look at what happened with Mt.Gox. The owner embezzled funds and it went bankrupt  Cool
well first of all mtgox wasnt a gambling site also it turned to scam so technically it did not go bankrupt, in my opinion casino cant bankrupt if it has enough funds
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August 03, 2015, 10:50:23 AM
#66
If casino can't bankrupt, I will make a casino for the future to ensure my life forever.
We gamble on casino and casino also gamble on us ( the different is casino has something called " house edge " )

Hi,

I was always told that regular casino games are rigged so that the casino never loses money.
If the bitcoin casinos are using real random number generation then it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Thanks.
legendary
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August 03, 2015, 10:33:59 AM
#65
I think it depends solely on the management. Look at what happened with Mt.Gox. The owner embezzled funds and it went bankrupt  Cool
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August 03, 2015, 10:32:41 AM
#64
It can be possible when a whale is lucky and win lots of btc.
When he withdraws almost all the funds from the casino bankroll, the casino has no funds to pay the other players.
The bitcoin casino is considered " bankrupt " he it defaults.

If the gambling site set the max win or max payout using Kelly formula, the limit will get smaller and smaller as the whale wins. The house could lose a significant % of the bankroll but not all.
well it depends on how much bitcoins the casino will decide that they want to keep safe, in my opinion its not the best idea for them to do as people wouldnt be that interested in it

They can choose to set their max win to 2x, 5x or even 10x Kelly if they want to take more risk and have a higher max win, but still the same applies.
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August 03, 2015, 10:25:04 AM
#63
It can be possible when a whale is lucky and win lots of btc.
When he withdraws almost all the funds from the casino bankroll, the casino has no funds to pay the other players.
The bitcoin casino is considered " bankrupt " he it defaults.

If the gambling site set the max win or max payout using Kelly formula, the limit will get smaller and smaller as the whale wins. The house could lose a significant % of the bankroll but not all.
well it depends on how much bitcoins the casino will decide that they want to keep safe, in my opinion its not the best idea for them to do as people wouldnt be that interested in it
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August 03, 2015, 10:23:16 AM
#62
It can be possible when a whale is lucky and win lots of btc.
When he withdraws almost all the funds from the casino bankroll, the casino has no funds to pay the other players.
The bitcoin casino is considered " bankrupt " he it defaults.

If the gambling site set the max win or max payout using Kelly formula, the limit will get smaller and smaller as the whale wins. The house could lose a significant % of the bankroll but not all.
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August 03, 2015, 10:17:25 AM
#61
BTC casino can bankrupt, for example, if casino use free casino BTC faucet and players make a lot of BTC withdraw  Wink
well its nearly impossible to do that i guess, either casinos have to give away a lot of money for faucet claims or people have to be really lucky to win that much money to make a casino go bankrupt
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August 03, 2015, 10:01:44 AM
#60
Every business can be bankrupted. It's a question of management, solid business plan a luck as well. All can be screw down, even such business like Bitcoin casino. Some time ago I put some of ny BTC to Casino as investment. After a few days it went to red numbers, but in long term it was sucesfull investment.
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August 03, 2015, 09:03:29 AM
#59
It can be possible when a whale is lucky and win lots of btc.
When he withdraws almost all the funds from the casino bankroll, the casino has no funds to pay the other players.
The bitcoin casino is considered " bankrupt " he it defaults.
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August 03, 2015, 08:59:41 AM
#58
well with a house edge theres a extremely low chance a casino would go bankrupt as most make profit in the long run otherwise we wouldent see many dice sites lol

the house edge only makes it highly likely that the casino would profit in the long run; proper brm to set a max win is also required to make it unlikely the casino would go bankrupt.
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August 03, 2015, 08:56:51 AM
#57
BTC casino can bankrupt, for example, if casino use free casino BTC faucet and players make a lot of BTC withdraw  Wink
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August 03, 2015, 08:18:41 AM
#56
well with a house edge theres a extremely low chance a casino would go bankrupt as most make profit in the long run otherwise we wouldent see many dice sites lol
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August 03, 2015, 08:04:53 AM
#55
With wrong bankroll management it can bankrupt.

I guess bankroll management doesnt have any effect on bankruptcy, but may be a little bit because their bankroll depends on the wagered, the more wagered the site get the most income they get and with a little development I think they wont be bankrupt
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August 03, 2015, 07:35:06 AM
#54
If they are really out of luck then casino's can go bankrupt and if their calculations are flawed. Otherwise chances are too slim for that to happen.

Correct, according to me player got more chances of bankrupt than house can go bankrupt. If they stepup some thing wrong in their calculation then only it can possible otherwise no chance
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August 03, 2015, 06:47:39 AM
#53
damn I did not notice that it was the profit and not the payout.

So for each game they calculate a EV of 99%
Which means that the multiplier il calculated by (100%-house edge)/chance

Here for example for a chance of 6.6% you'll get 99%/6.6% = 15x payout

Exactly.

Most of the bitcoin dice games have a house edge of 1%, which means the house will have a profit of ~1% of the total wagered in the long run. That's how the legit sites are making their profit.
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August 03, 2015, 06:43:07 AM
#52
damn I did not notice that it was the profit and not the payout.

So for each game they calculate a EV of 99%
Which means that the multiplier il calculated by (100%-house edge)/chance

Here for example for a chance of 6.6% you'll get 99%/6.6% = 15x payout
legendary
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August 03, 2015, 06:27:41 AM
#51
I had not noticed this house edge Shocked

Just checked on coinroyale's dice game

chance 6.5236%
payout 15.1758
bet 10

I rolled high, won and got 141.76, so 9.99 free credit are missing.

Does it mean that the house edge is (151.758-141.78)/(151.758/100) = 6.57% ?



Just check the site and the number 141.76 is your profit of that bet.
Since you have 6.5236% to get 151.76 back, the EV is 99% (=6.5236%*151.76/10) and the house edge is 1%.
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August 03, 2015, 06:24:50 AM
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When there are a large number of players, there is a positive house edge and maximum bet limit is enforced. Casinos have different types of games, some games like slots bring in a lot of money and don't pay out that often. With a good mix of games, I believe it is very difficult for a casino to go bankrupt.
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August 03, 2015, 06:21:24 AM
#49
I had not noticed this house edge Shocked

Just checked on coinroyale's dice game

chance 6.5236%
payout 15.1758
bet 10

I rolled high, won and got 141.76, so 9.99 free credit are missing.

Does it mean that the house edge is (151.758-141.78)/(151.758/100) = 6.57% ?

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August 03, 2015, 06:20:28 AM
#48
With wrong bankroll management it can bankrupt.

it can always go bankrupt regardless of brm, brm just ensures that the casino is extremely unlikely to lose in the long run.
legendary
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August 03, 2015, 06:17:41 AM
#47
Probably "no" if the casino have large amounts of money and small max betting value.

Still if the player gets incredibly lucky (like if he wins 50times in a row) yes casino may go bankrupt.
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August 03, 2015, 06:05:25 AM
#46
well, its all depend on the result of the game..

even with 1% edge they still bankrupt,,why? because no one can predict what the result of the gambling..but exclusion for rigged site..heheh
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August 03, 2015, 06:01:49 AM
#45
If they are really out of luck then casino's can go bankrupt and if their calculations are flawed. Otherwise chances are too slim for that to happen.
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August 03, 2015, 05:43:53 AM
#44
I think bitcoin casino, never can't bankrupt if they Still have High Roller in a day. it's impossible casino can go bankrupt And i never hear most casino can go bankrupt
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August 03, 2015, 05:23:38 AM
#43
With wrong bankroll management it can bankrupt.
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August 03, 2015, 04:15:15 AM
#42
It's not that "real casinos" are rigged; they most likely are not rigged unless you go to a shady underworld casino. The problem is, the bankroll of the casinos are far greater than any individual gambler, and furthermore there are steps taken to insure that a high roller doesn't somehow bankrupt the casino by having a max bet put in place. Added to that the inherent house advantage, and it is very unlikely that casinos will lose money.


That said, because the bankrolls of bitcoin casinos are likely much smaller than a real, full fledged casino in Las Vegas, it is much more likely to go bankrupt. Other issues are security. Will their coins get stolen? Will the owner run off with the funds?
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August 03, 2015, 04:11:52 AM
#41

 Primedice almost did Cheesy Depends on how bankrupt goes that is a way of going bankrupt. Otherwise it is very difficult to get a casino bankrupt. Slightest chance of betting big and getting it all but usually there is a max win and you can not just hope to get lucky at that level.
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August 03, 2015, 03:38:40 AM
#40
a bitcoin casino, like any business can go bankrupt.  it'll be up to the operator to manage its risks and to make sure that it has enough revenue/profit to cover costs.
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August 03, 2015, 03:17:18 AM
#39
i think online casino will not go bankrupt because of a bet
they will go bankrupt because someone found a loophole
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August 03, 2015, 02:43:58 AM
#38
that very hard to get bankrrupt but very easy to scam Smiley
exchanger website have big chance to scaming people
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August 03, 2015, 02:35:28 AM
#37
The risk of casino going bankrupt is very low if you are talking about gamblers beating house edge continuously.

However, the casino could go bankrupt because of a hack/exploit/inside job, and the risk is not low.
For example, just a few days ago, Betterbets has lost 8 btc. The loss is not devastating to the site this time luckily.
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August 03, 2015, 02:34:49 AM
#36
Depends. If you don't put contingencies and certain rules in place, a whale could just come in and put a serious dent in your bankroll.
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August 03, 2015, 02:21:24 AM
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yes of course, if the owner doesnt have enough funds to cover.. well but if the owner is rich or maybe have high investment it will be highly chance not to bankrupt
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August 03, 2015, 02:15:55 AM
#34
Yes they go backrupt all the time. THere are many bitcoin casinos websites and dice sites that went bankrupt and simply closed down or didn't return any players deposits. Its happens all the time. Most likely due to capital problems when a whale takes them down.
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August 03, 2015, 01:41:57 AM
#33
they design the rules in a way that you always lose so they won't go bankrupt any time

Yes obsoletely correct. So for any one heard about bitcoin casino went on bankrupt? I don't think so, only people you play they will go bankrupt. So play carefully.
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August 03, 2015, 01:15:28 AM
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Who? I remember there was a guru won several thousand btc on JD and he bet 7K one bet and lost all of his btc. Grin

His name was 'fuckit' lol Tongue

Here's some more about the story:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1npmaq/highroller_loses_800k_with_allin_bet_on_justdice/

and here is the bet:
https://i.imgur.com/eyzhPWN.png
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August 03, 2015, 12:35:34 AM
#31
Due to huge house edge the online casinos never loose.
If someone finds a vulnerability in the system then yes there are much chances of casino going bankrupt.
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August 03, 2015, 12:30:09 AM
#30
Even if its not rigged,a casino always profits,remember the house edge of many games? That's the point,you can't beat the casino except if you cheat them
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August 03, 2015, 12:28:10 AM
#29
Wikipedia has a page for everything:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risk_of_ruin

and the original meaning of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_ruin
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August 03, 2015, 12:15:47 AM
#28
it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Yes, its possible but chances are very slim... Either you have to be very lucky or the house house edge will never let you make the casino go bankrupt!
Remember Nakowa did the same at Just-dice a few years back ? He won 13k BTC and made JD go bankrupt! 


Who? I remember there was a guru won several thousand btc on JD and he bet 7K one bet and lost all of his btc. Grin
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August 02, 2015, 11:52:51 PM
#27
it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Yes, its possible but chances are very slim... Either you have to be very lucky or the house house edge will never let you make the casino go bankrupt!
Remember Nakowa did the same at Just-dice a few years back ? He won 13k BTC and made JD go bankrupt! 


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August 02, 2015, 11:47:24 PM
#26
i don't think there would be a fool person who made the casino site to aim bankrupt.. lmao
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August 02, 2015, 11:38:34 PM
#25
Hi,

I was always told that regular casino games are rigged so that the casino never loses money.
If the bitcoin casinos are using real random number generation then it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Thanks.

i can say yes but chance for casino bankrupt is only 10% because they have prefer with max bet amount for player win.
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August 02, 2015, 11:19:13 PM
#24
they design the rules in a way that you always lose so they won't go bankrupt any time
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August 02, 2015, 11:02:15 PM
#23
Can bitcoin casino go bankrupt?
there's a very slim chance that a casino go bankrupt, specially bitcoin casino is online, no face to face transaction where you can see if they are stealing money from you already. but who knows, rigged or not just enjoy your winnings and loose only what you can afford
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August 02, 2015, 10:56:04 PM
#22
IMO it all comes down to the bankroll vs the size of wagers.  If the bankroll is large enough to cover any short term anomalies, and assuming that the casino's games are not being exploited, then it should be fine.  Casinos are in it for the long term game, over time they are guaranteed to win.  This is why they advertise big wins, in stead of hiding them.  If someone wins big it is a short term loss for the casino, but if it brings more action then it is a long term gain
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August 02, 2015, 06:02:19 PM
#21
It's possible but that is the entire point of casino house edge. Over the long term even if people play the games perfectly (which they often don't) the casino will win their money back. Some of these Bitcoin dice sites might not have enough coin in reserve to survive a lucky gambler and could go bankrupt in the short term.
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August 02, 2015, 05:55:44 PM
#20
Yes, if all players are actually end up always winning and less losing then yes, they are going to lose their biz.
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August 02, 2015, 04:22:25 PM
#19
Hi,

I was always told that regular casino games are rigged so that the casino never loses money.
If the bitcoin casinos are using real random number generation then it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Thanks.

Its possible if a very higher roller bets big and the casino gets very unlucky they could go broke.  Most casinos limit the maximum bet to make it mathmaticaly very hard for this to happen.  
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August 02, 2015, 04:04:00 PM
#18
Of course they can go bankrupt. Bankrupt just means unable to pay the winnings or other creditors. That could be as simple as the company hosting their servers. If they are unable to pay either winners or creditors as a company they would have to declare bankruptcy.
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August 02, 2015, 03:30:06 PM
#17
With an old gambling website that is likely to have a much larger bankroll, indeed the chances are pretty slim. This isn't the case with a newer gambling website, which is likely to have a much smaller bankroll. It is possible that variance could kill a newer gambling website.

AFAIK there will be only two conditions to not be "killed"

#1.  Use a proper kelly criterion ( posted in few post above )
#2.  Wagered volume.

Unless the house could secure a good betting volume constantly then the site will live even if is suffering on loss ( some new site has a good volume ). The sad thing is that just most people here tend to not give the new site a "chance" although some newer sites tend to be "better" apart from the trustworthyness ofc

the casino's trick is that they make you feel like you have a 50/50 shot of winning a hand of blackjack, but in reality you don't.

Right on the nail !

-snip- if -snip-

There isnt any need of the "IF" words there especially with something that highly unlikely going to happen and this will be just derailing the topic

That said there have been investment based casinos which have gone negative in profit, but if they have the bankroll to continue, then they will likely come back. For shorterm it can always happen.

Wrong, if the profit is going negative then the site needs more people to play and "LOSE" to recover which is what happen to most gambler. That is how the site will recover but if the site going negative and there isnt anyone playing and "losing" ofc then things will be on its opposite
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August 02, 2015, 03:24:20 PM
#16
They can always go bankcrupt but they have measures like max bet in play which lowers their chance of going negative. Most of the casinos have this max bet set at a percentage of their total bankroll.

So if a gambler keeps winning , then the max win keeps on decreasing. No gambler ever will win by simply flat betting as he will have to get lucky for long to defeat the house edge, They will mostly employ strategies like martingale and in short lucky runs they might profit big. But having the max bet would break into their strategies and gives the casinos another big house edge.

That said there have been investment based casinos which have gone negative in profit, but if they have the bankroll to continue, then they will likely come back. For shorterm it can always happen.
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August 02, 2015, 03:09:58 PM
#15
I have see one bitcoin casino (don't remember a name) with more slot with bonus, total up to 630 bitcoin, and if all player win in the same moment the bonus ?  Grin
i doubt that slots offer the jackpot of all funds they have as it would mean the bankrupt, most probably they either dont have those funds or its not all they have
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August 02, 2015, 03:04:15 PM
#14
Also, real casino games are just as "rigged" as bitcoin casinos. The thing about casinos is they tell you exactly how the game is "rigged" before the game starts, and if you feel like it's worth doing, you play the game.

the casino's trick is that they make you feel like you have a 50/50 shot of winning a hand of blackjack, but in reality you don't.

That's exactly the same as when just dice offers you a payout of 2x when you roll under 49.5 instead of under 50.

Harrah's won't put the exact house edge on the table like just dice does, but it's very easy to find that information if you look hard enough (or calculate it if you are bored and/or in a statistics class). And it doesn't take an advanced degree to look at a roulette wheel and see 18 red numbers, 18 black numbers, and 1 or 2 green numbers and figure out that an even money payout on red or black is "rigged."
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August 02, 2015, 02:38:33 PM
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I have see one bitcoin casino (don't remember a name) with more slot with bonus, total up to 630 bitcoin, and if all player win in the same moment the bonus ?  Grin
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August 02, 2015, 02:15:01 PM
#12
If the bitcoin casinos are using real random number generation then it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Yes. It is quite possible.

Yes but the chances are pretty slim , close to zero unless someone manage to know the server seed ( like hufflepuff did and drained the bankroll ) . Each game is equipped with house edge to ensure the house will always win in the long run and although the house is losing but if there is still people playing then you can be sure the house will recoup its loses

With an old gambling website that is likely to have a much larger bankroll, indeed the chances are pretty slim. This isn't the case with a newer gambling website, which is likely to have a much smaller bankroll. It is possible that variance could kill a newer gambling website.
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August 02, 2015, 02:00:21 PM
#11
i think casinos cant go bankrupt as they have such things as maximum bets that are allowed and provably fair systems that reduce the chance of getting hacked the only way to go bankrupt is to give away all money

If you have very good security, a very trustworthy owner and a good maximum payout (see kelly betting) there is a super tiny chance the casino will go bankrupt.

I don't know the exact numbers but in general it's profitable without that much risk, especially when you have an invest option on the site, just collect fees and you don't even have to risk BTC yourself!
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August 02, 2015, 01:53:47 PM
#10
i think casinos cant go bankrupt as they have such things as maximum bets that are allowed and provably fair systems that reduce the chance of getting hacked the only way to go bankrupt is to give away all money
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August 02, 2015, 01:37:28 PM
#9
Of course they can. If they get super unlucky, get hacked, steal from the site, or any number of reasons.

It will be tough because they should have a lot less expenses than live casinos.

Casinos make money by putting the odds in their favor, they could get super unlucky, but it probably won't happen.
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August 02, 2015, 12:59:25 PM
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so your claim is not accurate.

Well , he is not claiming though much of like verifying

so yes, I would say that many bitcoin casinos could bust out pretty quick, as they don't have any institutional investors that are providing huge amounts of bankroll to bet against.

Huge amount of bankroll isnt the factor that decides if the BTC casinos could bankrupt or not because each a "proper" BTC casino follow the kelly criterion rules (mostly) . Even if a site has only 25 BTC as a bankroll, it doesnt matter unless the site put in a low kelly criterion like 0.5x or 1x of the edge .
This is to ensure that someone dont bust the house in an instance and without it, someone could bust the house in an instance even if the house got a huge bankroll ( assuming that guy is pretty lucky )

References of a dice sites that has 100BTC bankroll but allowed 20BTC max payout in one game

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11606288

Turns out the the bankroll decreased by 30 % in less than 2 weeks

https://blockchain.info/address/1DUTgipJHFctU3UyWFavWmddRea7cAR5YK
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August 02, 2015, 12:57:23 PM
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I think they have thought about possibilities to go bankrupt before they make bitcoin casino, so they can avoid that. They have calculated how much they will get and lost. So, the possibility is pretty low.
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August 02, 2015, 12:55:45 PM
#6
i dont think its possible that an online casino can go bankrupt
you cant see the dealer in an online casino so what is your guarantee that site is just stealing from your wallet
well there is a provably fair system on most of the casinos that as far as i know cant be rigged, that means that casino owners do not steal money from players to keep it running and people loose money fairly
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August 02, 2015, 12:46:38 PM
#5
i dont think its possible that an online casino can go bankrupt
you cant see the dealer in an online casino so what is your guarantee that site is just stealing from your wallet
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August 02, 2015, 12:44:28 PM
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Hi,

I was always told that regular casino games are rigged so that the casino never loses money.
If the bitcoin casinos are using real random number generation then it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Thanks.

In legit casinos, the games are not rigged, the rules of games are designed for house, so houses don't need to cheat actually, from math aspect, casinos can profit in long term, so your claim is not accurate. But of course there are casinos cheat people, they are scam casinos.
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August 02, 2015, 12:44:11 PM
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To add to the above.  You never really know how much bankroll the casino has (bitcoin casino that is).  This is because, you probably never know who the actual owners are, and they could literally tell you anything.  Just about anyone with programming knowledge could set up a little gambling game on a site fairly easily, so you get in the realm of people with a few thousand or even hundred who just wanted to try it out, thinking they would make a lot of money.

Well, in the short term, the casino can lose, and a few thousand can actually go pretty quickly, so yes, I would say that many bitcoin casinos could bust out pretty quick, as they don't have any institutional investors that are providing huge amounts of bankroll to bet against.
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August 02, 2015, 12:38:40 PM
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I was always told that regular casino games are rigged so that the casino never loses money

If you mean the land casinos then it is most likely no since they need license to operate and the chances are pretty slim for them to rig their games because there will be always an inspection

If the bitcoin casinos are using real random number generation then it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Yes but the chances are pretty slim , close to zero unless someone manage to know the server seed ( like hufflepuff did and drained the bankroll ) . Each game is equipped with house edge to ensure the house will always win in the long run and although the house is losing but if there is still people playing then you can be sure the house will recoup its loses

Not a bitcoin casinos but just an example of the house that is losing right now

http://dicesites.com/bitdiceme/clam

http://dicesites.com/peerbet/ppc

Both sites is "losing" currently but if you see the chart and compare you will see that the house is recouping its loses little by little so the probability to "bankrupt" will be close to nil ( hint : check the total profit chart )
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August 02, 2015, 12:19:56 PM
#1
Hi,

I was always told that regular casino games are rigged so that the casino never loses money.
If the bitcoin casinos are using real random number generation then it is possible for them to
actually go bankrupt no?

Thanks.
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