Topic: Can Israeli Army standup against Iranian Military (Read 466 times)

Both countries may talk of war but both are careful to avoid all out war this does not mean that it may or may not happen. It is believed that even though Iran has a larger population and a large army compared to Israel, these will not give Iran much advantage if a war with Israel is made. Because Iran has no border with Israel. Iranian military personnel will not be able to cross the border into Israel. Israel also works very hard to have very technology on the cutting edge of modern technological warfare so it is never fully known what exactly Israel's capabilities are for any war.

i also heard about this News as this is on trend. Even i saw a land on video where media claimed that, this is the place where isreal done their counter-missile attack but i doubt about that. And now i can see many people also thinking the same way as mine. I also don't think this is true. Well i heard that, isreal is agreed to stopped war and they wanna have a conversation with hamas. Don't know about this news. Actually midea keep making many news due to their TRP and that's why people get confused about true and false news

Just to emphasize this point, many indicators are clear that the so-called “Israeli army” does not rise to the rank of a “regular army” in the military sense, but rather is almost only a large armed militia. For those who do not know, any Israeli citizen (except those belonging to extremist religious groups) is forced to spend two years in compulsory military service. This includes women as well as men and anyone who wants to obtain Israeli citizenship. Also, more than 80 percent of this so-called army are reserve soldiers who are called upon when needed. These reserves are ordinary citizens who run the wheel of the economy, whether through their jobs or projects. Evidence of this is the decline of the local economy by a large percentage due to the decline in the productivity of sectors (agriculture, service industry) due to the (forced) enrollment of people into the reserve army. This means that Israel is forced to stop the entire economic cycle in order to be able to gather those who will join the battlefield. If it were not for foreign aid (billions of dollars beyond all imaginations), the Israeli economy would have collapsed from the first week of confrontation. The final piece of evidence is a simple question: How can an army face all these difficulties against a small, poorly armed militia, Hamas? Is there a regular army with a gigantic military arsenal that resorts to killing civilians as a helpless response to a group of fighters whose numbers are incomparable to them?

Last night (my time) I was about to make a new thread "Israel's mainstream media hyped attack on Iran considered Fake and Gay."   Alas, some important stuff came up and I didn't get a chance.

The funny thing is that 90% of the Western plebs who get their thoughts from mainstream media will forever remember the day when the Chosen People(tm) of Israel shamed and humbled Iran with their stunning retaliatory attack of 4/18/2024.  Indeed, days before this I had intended to propose a totally made up media-only fake attack story (a-la last night) which would be passed off as real then later quietly dropped and silently dropped from Joogle, Jootube, etc.  Works well these days.  They even invented a whole fake global pandemic and to this day most people believe it.  So, why not?  Much easier and cheaper to do it that way and won't bring Iranian missile with bad intent flying their direction.

This was not true at all.
This was basically a big fake out using 3 tiny quadcopters to create noise and call that an "attack" for domestic use inside occupied Palestine. This is not even categorized as an attack, this is just some idiot nearby flying an object you can buy from any shop into a restricted airspace and having it shot down (hence the noise).

Will the ongoing events in Iran and Israel go all-out war? Five days after Israel's attack, Israel launched a counter-missile attack on Iran's Ispahan. I don't know how true this is, but such a news is spreading in the media. After Iran attacked Israel, Iran warned that the outcome would not be good if Israel retaliated. If today's incident is true i.e. if Israel has attacked Iran, then a big war is going to come down on earth. I don't want to debate how strong the Israeli army is against the Iranian military, I want to say that the extremely tense situation between the two countries should be resolved soon.

Middle Eastern superpower Iran has shown strength amid heightened tensions.  Iran's army and navy are fully prepared to counter any Israeli attack and counter any attack.  They celebrated the National Army Day on the 17th in Tehran, the capital of Iran.  The Lebanese armed group Hezbollah has continued to attack Israeli drones.  They hit Israel's northern border on Wednesday.  If this continues, World War III will be upon us.  On the other hand, Israel's allies are not supporting Israel enough.  So it was better not to engage in direct war with Iran.

I don't think both of them will declare war against each other because they are just doing fake things, Yes! they are just faking everything and if not because of Iran, Israel wouldn't have attacked Gaza, they just need to have an act of so-called justice revenge that's why they permitted to attack first and they already planned how they will take revenge against the civilians and since the world is not giving Israel sympathy they want, they intend to create another fuss again which for the second time won't be enough to justify what they have done in Gaza. With all of this drama, I hope all the innocent people won't fall victim anymore and hope that they can live their lives to the fullest as well.

I've less knowledge in such matter. And it seems, you praise Iranian Military and believe them, powerful enough than Israeli Army. And it might be right or might be wrong. I also read about the progress of Iranian for making drones and missiles. But Israeli army also stronger enough against their opponent. They already have advance Defense system like iron dome that counter any unguided rocket as well as drone attacks. Besides they have strongest community support like us, uk and many more who are still most powerful in the world. So Israeli Army aren't weak. They are wise enough and waiting for perfect time, in my opinion.
But people don't love war. I also hope they stopped everything at this point so that the world politicial status can become normal.

If Iran enters into a direct confrontation against Israel, then I doubt the Israeli army will be able to fend off for themselves when facing the Iranian artillery and number of soldiers. That means an intervention by the United States would be inevitable if the State of Israel would want to continue to exist after a large scale war against Iran.
It is very scary to even think about what we are seeing on the news, Israel did not have to attack that consulate in Damascus, it was very uncalled for, in my opinion.
If they were in for peace and in for de-escalation of the conflicts within the middle east, then they would have not even thought on approving an attack like that, within a country which is not even at war against them. Very reckless and foolish... Very sad for the innocent people who will likely end up paying for the actions of others...

Pure speculation, but for the sake of arguing:
Iran has roughly 3 times more active soldiers than Israel, over 5 times more artillery systems, but half as many tanks. The biggest difference is in population, where Iran has 10 times more people than Israel, which means a lot more conscripts. In case of a conventional warfare Iran wins. Its equipment is older and soldiers are not trained as well as the Israelis, but they have such large numbers of them that it doesn't matter. You can have a well trained army, but when it faces a 4 to 1 situation every time, it no longer matters. Israel would have to beg for help from USA and, sadly, it would probably get it

It is simple to take the revenge for the death of 7 Iranian army officers in Israel's attack. Iran is said to be the most powerful country in the Middle East. America also does not come to war with Iran while Israel wants war with them. I think this is a suicidal decision. If war breaks out here, Israel will face great losses and the world financial situation may also deteriorate. Despite America's support, they never encouraging Israel to make the war. Iran is very good at drone and missile strikes and if Israel gets it wrong it will pay dearly.

Well, they can't since the citizens of respective countries are raising their voice and preststing for supporting a country that killed humanitarian activists as well as women and children without even blinking their eyes. So anyone who supports may see their fall in their political career that's why everyone is trying to keep their mouth shut.

I am not sure that Iran declared a full scale war but the attack really made some danger dents in the Israel and brought the chaos like what they did to their neigbours.

Lets look at some marvel of Iranian engineering.

This warhead belongs to (possibly) Kheybar-Shekan and it is taking a dive at hypersonic speed. That is any speed higher than 5 times the speed of sound. Its current speed is north of Mach 10 which is above 12000 km/h or 7600 miles/h.

During its dive, it executes strategic evasive maneuvers (while traveling 3000+ km in one second and under extreme pressure and temperature) making it impossible for any existing air-defense technology to intercept it.
One of those maneuvers were captured in this video and can be seen in these frames right before it hits its designated target in the bullseye

Yes, it has pinpoint accuracy. Launched from 1500-2000 km away and at a Mach 10-15 it can hit its target exactly at the center.
In this older example from the US airbase Al-Asad inside Iraq this accuracy can be seen very well. The green circles are the targets and the one at the bottom is a 20 meter * 22 meter hanger and the other in the center of the image is a 24*60 meter hanger. Both were hit right at their centers and were completely demolished with the military aircrafts inside.

I don’t know if Israel can stand up to the threat of consistent attack by Iran but really hope we don’t have to find out. I really hope that this conflict stops now before we have real problems. Having said that though, Israel will not be on their own if Iran continue to attack. Many countries will help Israel defend themselves.

The Iran army is a force to recognize because of their brutality but for them to declare a full scale war on Israel who i believe is a very formidable military unit too is undermining the Isrealies army because I know that even without the help of the US and British army  the Isrealies army can withstand the Iran army in battle. Let not look at the Isrealies as such a small unit but there military force is one to recognize for their strength and potency.

It is rumored that the so-called 'iron dome' system is nothing more than a very expensive fireworks show where the Israelis bilked many extra billions out of U.S. taxpayers and pacified their own sheeple with straight-up gaslighting and media hype.

Why are there seemingly no obvious secondary detonations from all the munitions which were supposedly stopped?  One reason could be that there was, generally speaking, nothing real there to shoot at.  A second could be that since it was obviously not Iran's intent to hurt civilians, the warheads were empty.  Or perhaps some combination of both.

The hypothesis that the 'iron dome' is a fraud and a psyop would explain why there is no real interest on getting it in to 'defend Ukraine'.  It would be found out to be a fraud (much like the rest of the Western 'wonder weapons' which lost their luster within minutes of seeing real combat against a capable enemy's wares.)

It is purely my guess but based on the available evidence (eg. the number of missiles intercepted in the videos like the ones above) and my knowledge of Iran's military tech, otherwise for those of us without access to classified information it is impossible to measure accurately or give any kind of correct percentages.
For example I never saw any video showing they intercept 5 out of the incoming 10 incoming missiles, what I saw was dozens of ABMs shot at the incoming targets and they barely get 1 with the rest landing successfully.

I should have been more precise though, by "reached their targets" I meant achieved what they were supposed to do (as opposed to experience engine failure and fall down). I explained their purpose here from a more technical perspective. For example the Paveh cruise missiles or the Shahed-136 drones were never meant to "hit any targets on the ground". Their sole purpose was to overwhelm air defense systems making it easier for eg. the low tier 30+ year old Rezvan ballistic missiles that lacks maneuverability to land successfully "hitting" its target. It both keeps cost low and is in accordance with Iran's doctrine of only revealing 10% of its strength and use 1% of that 10% in any action.
So when for example the US airforce hits a $10k Shahed-136 drone using a $1 million missile (or when the French do it in Jordan), that means Shahed-136 reached its target which was that $1 mil missile depleting USAF/USN/NATO resources softening them up for the possible next phase.

Otherwise if 0 interception was the goal and Israel was the only target/adversary, Iran would have never used low tier weapons. For example instead of using Rezvan, the Fattah-2 would have been used which is a hypersonic MaRV BM and the technology to counter it does not even exist and won't exist at least for another decade.

It is trivial to hide it because:
1. The targets were heavily protected military facilities like the Nevatim airbase. "Regular people" are not allowed to even get close let alone be able to take any kind of picture to show the consequences.
2. In majority of videos we'll hear Arabic not Hebrew. That's Palestinians and they are farther from the targets (eg. they're in West Bank 50-200 km away from the base) to be able to get any close picture/video, also the Zionist occupiers were hiding under ground so there weren't anybody up to film anything to have any evidence to publish on the internet.
3. Don't underestimate censorship. The first picture below is from Israeli TV saying they are banned from publishing anything about this "punishment" (other mainstream media have received such bans) and the second is I believe a short message sent to everyone banning them from posting anything either. Zionist regime has a history of arresting anyone who posts anything about the "aftermath" over the past decades.



P.S. If a large percentage were intercepted there would be a lot more videos showing that. Something they won't have any reason to censor.

The conflict between Israel and Palestine has now spread to Iran, because it was triggered by Israel attacking the Iranian embassy in Damascus, this clearly really hurt the Iranian government, so it is responding to what Israel did, even though yesterday Benjamin Netanyahu as Israel's prime minister said they were ready to face Iran and they will win, but if we look at Israel currently it is very overwhelmed against the Hezbollah army, even if they were ready to oppose Iran they would have been helped by the United States so they dare to say much. and this will also happen a big war between the allied countries

Unlike your mentioned western media resources, I never said that intercepted 99 of missiles. Already on the day of attack I saw several videos of missiles reaching targets. But some of them is quite difficult to verify because of darkness, it might be same object, just filmed from different angle. And several videos that started to spread on internte appears to be not even related with this attack. IIRC one of Iran TV channels got caught with it.
And unfortunately, I perfectly know difference between head of missile and it's fuel tank. Not even sure how someone can call it as intercepted missile. Before your post I didn't even saw this.
100% of missiles reached targets and 90% of it hit them - this is what, wishful thinking or what? If it's true, what you can say about objects shot down in Jordan Airspace for example? And if 90% of missiles weren't inercepted, I guess that consequences would be much more, it would be difficult to hide it and it internet would be full of videos with hits.

Again, you understimating Israel, if their army is weak, I'm not even sure what can be called as strong army. Yeah, help from USA was significant, maybe damage would be more significant. But it would come from missiles, not droness. These drones that Iran is using shouldn't be a big issue for Israel air defence.

If Israel launches an attack on Iran, it will be a worldwide warning for World War III.
But I think if the world leaders don't want WW3 then it will be normal but if Israel wants world war then they have to attack Iran.
It will be understood after a few more days.

Just wait and see  ................

Yes, but there will be more casualties from the Israeli side because Israel's concentration has really broken after the conflict with Palestine has been almost a year, the victims are also many civilians, even if there was resistance from Israel yesterday after the Iranian missile was dropped then it is certain that the countries Others also intervene so that a wider war will break out, but the allied countries are waiting for this. It's time for the UN to make a strong ultimatum to Israel. They don't force themselves to attack Palestine anymore. In fact, they lost because the target of their attack was civilians and mostly children.

As the 14th commander of the United States Central Command said on many occasions: "Iran has reached overmatch"
I completely agree with this but also you should remember that we live in the real world. The world where UN security council is proved to be completely useless.
When US invaded Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, ... and murdered millions of people UN approved of it.
When Israel started slaughtering innocent civilians, UN ignored it.
When Israel set a record on the number of kids murdered (12k+) the world kept watching the genocide continue.
When Israel bombed an embassy and broke a dozen international laws including article 2 of UN Charter they were silent and impotent.
...

Peace is not a one sided thing that when diplomats are murdered in a terrorist attack or when children are murdered every day in a genocide nobody talks about peace but the moment the terrorists are punished for their attack we suddenly get worried about peace.
Sometimes peace can only be achieved through military actions like when the Allies attacked Nazi Germany and stopped their war machine.

Op, the manner you spiced this writeup giving a sectional region such as Irans that advantage of winning a war against Israel is one of the reasons why this World would never have stabilized peace and the unity sighted by equality would always be abolished and ignored if we keep having such over proudness of hyping and insighting that one has a more executive quality while the other is inferior.

It is obvious to say that you are illiciting hared and insight wars against the others which definitely could have extended effects beyond imaginations.
Why not advocate for peace instead of the unnecessary remarks of applauding one and distabilizing the faith of the other?

Until we know the value of peace, we will keeping playing adamant towards destructions of lives and valuables which are irreplaceable and there we would understand that those expenses on wars has been waste of resources because war as a crisis yields no fortune but disasterous to human kind.

Read up on this thread in discuss if the world would ever have peace https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63927245.
As much as I know, peace is priceless.

Israel has no border with Iran. Iran has air and rocket capabilities but I highly doubt they might go to an all out attack against Israel. On that scenario america could overpower many of their military bases and air systems with just remote attacks. Iran is probably interested in just keeping up pressure and symbolic attacks.

I think the people of Arab states would be more for an all out attack against Israel, but US interests have kind of infiltrated in their governments to not let them be representative and instead seek diplomatic ties with Israel against their people's wish. So really of Iran wanted to start such an initiative they would probably be alone with the Houthis and just give reason to NATO to invade them. So unless they can reach a consensus with other Arab nations, it's not gonna happen. We're at least a dozen revolutions away from that to be honest sadly or not.

This has always be stated all time as major forum  rules that if you can't specify the source you need quote to indicate it's not your work. but for me I would have preferred the source link so one can read more.

Well a simple thing to say is Israel should allow for peaceful dialogue and not to put the world in WW3 because this back and forth with Iran is going to instigate more blocs into this and there is no no to further cause hardship in the midst of inflation. Israel is banking of support from US and the Asian countries at a point will also give support to Iran and Palestine, we already know where this is going to head to. The world need peace not war.

The stats their propaganda outlets release are usually reverse (99% went through, 1% were intercepted)
Although I think they intercepted more than 1% but the number is definitely not higher than 10% and there is enough video proof of it. I made an amateur compilation of it here.

Here are two more videos to watch this better:
https://www.aparat.com/v/QehkR
I saw this particular video was also released by Wall Street Journal today as a proof that IOF intercepted the 99% of Iranian missiles but to prove it they cut this video at 00:20. The link above is the full video of course.
After 00:20 we can clearly see the none of the incoming missiles were intercepted, every single one hits its targets starting at 00:23, if you continue watching 2 seconds later the wave of the explosion reaches the cameraman as the electricity goes out (this is filmed from occupied West Bank which is at least 50 km away from the military base that is being targeted). In this video the smaller lights and the "cluster" on top right shows the cluster warhead used in Kheybar-shekan hypersonic missiles that "rains down" on its target.

https://www.aparat.com/v/16WzS
This other video shows the failure of David's Sling Anti-Ballistic-Missile system. In order to intercept a Kheybar-Shekan missile it empties all its missiles by launching them at the incoming missile and fails to hit it. on 00:38 you can see how it hits its target with pinpoint accuracy on 00:41 another one hits its target off camera 00:43 and so on you can see others hitting their own targets with pinpoint accuracy.

In this punishment a handful of Israeli military bases were selected such as Nevatim airbase housing the biggest chunk of Israel's airforce aircrafts including F35 jets. All these bases were completely demolished.


I already debunked the "shot down part" but the "didn't reach part" is also propaganda. This is basic missile knowledge, the pictures they're showing you as "proof" such as these two: https://www.talkimg.com/image/jF71N and https://www.talkimg.com/image/jF9ea are not the missile's that didn't reach, these are the first stage fuel tanks of the missile!
Have you ever seen the NASA or SPACEX rocket launches? That entire construct is not the rocket, there are multiple stages with multiple fuel tanks. As the rocket (or the ballistic missile) exits the atmosphere the fuel tank that is empty by then is disconnected and falls on the ground in the middle of the route to its target.

The mouthpieces such as WSJ, NYT, Reuters, etc. are showing you these fuel tanks claiming this is the missile

Here is a video of Kheybar-Shekan BM showing how the fuel tank is separated and falls down as it exits atmosphere using the cameras installed on the missile itself: https://youtu.be/aGxysBfZ5ww?t=53

The fact is that 100% of what Iran launched reached their targets and at least 90% of them were not intercepted and hit their targets.

Everyone is a loser on these wars.  
What I am thinking is that the kids, grandpas and grannies and all of the civilians if they can standup with all of the noises and strikes that they might encounter when they all want is peace.  

So with this, as the Israel has been engaged with a war in the Gaza strip. Now, they have to deal with Iran and also with the alliances of Iran that are also helping them.

But we all know that they're not going to just accept that they've been attacked and they won't retaliate. But if they do, if those statements expressed by their allies that they won't intercept if they do the retaliation then they're on their own, I doubt it that they'll just be letting this pass.

Me either, all of the involved countries should stop but one has to step down their ego.

It seems like a few allies of Israel helped out with preventing the drones and missiles
from entering Israel, they got about 99%, what about that 1%?

The US, Great Britain and Jordan came to the rescue of Israel. >
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/14/how-irans-attack-on-israel-was-stopped

I wonder what is Israel going to do about that Iranian attack? are things going to escalate?

And as pooya87 points out this has created a distraction from the main concern
which ithe continuing assault on Gaza

Israeli military is weak against iran,if not for the intervention of the  US military that intercepted  those Iranian attacking drones,Israel would have been toast.
https://www.naijanews.com/2024/04/14/u-s-shoots-down-some-iranian-dones-headed-toward-israel/

Of course everyone knows that the US is a back up for Isreal, and that was why a serious message was sent to them first after the attack. US government have already told Isreal that if they retaliate back, they will not support them. So maybe this might make Isreal not retaliate because US don't want the war to escalate into WW3.

Isreal should be happy that the drones and misle sent to their country was intercepted by British and US. According to the news on BBC, Iran government said they will do worst should incase Isreal retaliates. I just pray for Isreal to stop all this drama.

There is too much wrong information in your post. First of all, from where did you got that Iran declared full scale war against Israel? About things that happened last night, it's escalation and some increased tension, but not war.
You overestimating Iran missiles. Despite that it was quite big attack, Irsel didn't had much troubleswith missiles anddrones from Iran. It was either shot down or didn't even reached Israel. After all, you like it or not, Israel had one of the best air defense in the world.
''Even the British Army can't standup against them'' - how you can say that when Iran and Uk didn't even had direct military confrontation?
Now it seems that escalation is over, but we can expect for relatiory attack from Israel in upcoming days.

I wouldn't be surprised if many Israelis fly out of Israel. War breaking out means, it's not just the Iranian army that they are going to fight. Long before the Iran strike, they were already fighting against Hamas, Hezbollah, and some groups nearby.

The Iraqis might join as well. AFAIK, I couldn't be sure but there was news saying some missiles came from Iraq. Israel is the only nation there that they have been trying to engage for a long time. If Turkey joins, it will be an all-out war.

Russians are winning and Putin already warned the US not to intervene.
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/will-support-iran-if-putin-threatens-biden-not-to-interfere-in-iran-and-israel-tensions/vi-BB1lAnjj

https://www.naijanews.com/2024/04/14/the-weakness-that-weve-shown-is-unbelievable-trump-reacts-as-iran-attack-israel/

Please specify the source from where you took this phrase, to avoid being banned for plagiarism.

I wouldn't really call that an army, they just have a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths who are only capable of sitting in a fighter jet and drop a bomb on children inside Gaza.

That is not declaration of war, that is enforcement of article 51 of United Nations Charter by punishing a terrorist attack.

They knew that very well already. However, as they've lost the war they had declared on Palestinian children and the global anger toward the genocide they're committing is growing, their plan was to create a distraction.
Basically they hoped they could get US to fight Iran 1500-2000 km away and considering how it would be a World War scale conflict, the distraction would have helped the Zionists to freely continue their genocide of Palestinians without the international pressure.

This is why the first thing Iran did was to send a serious message/warning to United States and Biden complied well enough as Washington officially announced that "United States will not participate in any offensive operations against Iran".

The islamic republic of Iran have declared a full scale war on Israel  following an April 1 attack reportedly carried out by Israel on the Iranian embassy in Syria, which killed seven Iranian military officers. Iranian military is the most strongest in the whole middle East, Even the British Army can't standup against them. The Battle will be the most bloodiest as Iranian Missiles are considered dangerous and can hit any target in any part of the world. Israeli army despite having over adequate Supports from the united States will not survive this battle. Israel should have avoided direct confrontation with iran..

https://www.naijanews.com/2024/04/14/the-weakness-that-weve-shown-is-unbelievable-trump-reacts-as-iran-attack-israel/