Can Ledger Nano S be Hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

jomvill

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I your that I set up ledger the nano will be connected to my PC which is even connected to the internet. See any possibility hackers in my 24 in sayings

tamango

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I don't think that LEDGER can be hacked if you don't press anything on the ledger... every transaction has to be confirmed via hardware...

alex_kir

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It's very hard to answer this question when I just do not know how this Ledger works. But speaking abstractly, it seems to me today there are no systems that would be 100% protected although much depends on people. They are the main vulnerability

aceat64

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I'm going to get myself a hard wallet, but I can not decide which one to choose. While I choose between Ledger Nano S and Trezor.

lovemsngr

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I think that the biggest risk for any wallet is phishing sites, because if you are connected to the Internet, there is always a risk to go to a phishing link

BrBoy

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It seems to me that Leger and Tresor is the most reliable hard wallets. There is always a risk that hackers will receive information due to negligence

prdn

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this is impossible because you have to confirm with the buttons on it, so you have to confirm physically.

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The most important thing with any wallet is the private key, and the list of password phrases.

I highly suggest you do NOT store those on a pc / phone with internet access, as they can be infected.

lancer10

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I use Ledger Nano and recently I installed a special browser extension that blocks suspicious sites so I think that I'm secure as much as it's possible.

mmo4me.2016

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Quote from: Praesidium on March 04, 2018, 11:41:30 AM

Nope, Ledger Nano S is very secured because it is a hard ware wallet, i've been using mine for quite time and i also do connect it while my internet is not but still i dont get hacked or something, so i assume it is okay however becareful of phishing sites.

This is true! You can lost your coin if you lost your Backup seed!
Always be careful, You are responsible for what you are doing.

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Quote from: SnapStefan on March 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM

Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

Your Ledger Nano S cannot be hack even if you use it often online because it needs a hardware before they can access your wallet. However Your passphrase can easily be hacked or copy if the computer you are using is always online where your passphrase save. Which means your hardware wallet is useless because the hacker only needs a private key to access your wallet. Better copy your passphrase on a paper or in your organizer and keep it on a secure place.

sliderider

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Yes, because there is no entirely unhackable method to secure your wallet.

One can only make the time and/or resources necessary to do the hack not worth the gain.

modtakels

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I dont think ledger can be hacked because it was created to resist those malwares and viruses even your computer was infected because you need to have your keys and passcodes to be able to transact using your ledger,hardwallets has the most secured features that is why it is recommended to have your coins into hardwallets,ledger or trezor would be better.

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Quote from: gsg07 on March 04, 2018, 11:53:11 AM

Quote from: Praesidium on March 04, 2018, 11:41:30 AM

Nope, Ledger Nano S is very secured because it is a hard ware wallet, i've been using mine for quite time and i also do connect it while my internet is not but still i dont get hacked or something, so i assume it is okay however becareful of phishing sites.

Im surprised! Looks like Ledger Nano S is a super protected wallet. But what about Trezo? Trezor also has such strong securety?

These two videos from EEVblog explain more about hardware-wallets.
Just note that the guy is an electronic engineer and not a crypto investor - however he takes both devices apart and expains more about the functionality and security:

Trezor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzxGoJdd8a4

Ledger Nano S: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKWYO3Qh79A

Thank you! you are very kind. This information can be also useful for over new members.

cryptoatomic

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Ledger nano s has the most secured features today,this is the most recommended wallet to the community,it has some recovery seed so that if you lose your wallet your holdings will be easily get recovered,even if your computer has been infected with malwares and viruses the ledger nano s wont be easily to get infected because the hackers cannot transfer your coins not without your security code and it is getting randomly change every minute.

cryptoblackhat

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If you're interested in the technical details, it's also worth reading up on the Fido U2F standard: https://www.yubico.com/solutions/fido-u2f/

This is basically the same technology principle that's used in the Ledger Nano S and Trezor devices. The private key never leaves the device, so it's impossible for a compromised computer (even with an internet connection) to steal that private key. The only thing the computer could do is send a malicious transaction to the device, which would then show an approval prompt so you could either approve or deny the transaction on the device itself.

Nivelir

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To my great regret, I do not even have a clue as to what can ultimately happen, because I have no idea how Ledger works, because I do not have it. But I think that if you have a device that works separately from the Internet, everything will be great and hacking you will be problematic

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Quote from: SnapStefan on March 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM

Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

Your Ledger Nano is hard to hack but saving your passphrase in a computer or even in email will compromise your coins because once they get your passpharse they can access your coin without your physical hardware wallet.

Caesar-Giulius

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Buy, sell and store real cryptocurrencies

Ledger Nano does not reveal your private key when interacting with your computer, so most likely it can’t be hacked.

But you have to beware of virus/malware in your computer. There are cases when computers are infested with copy and paste virus/malware, after you copy bitcoin addresses, the address changed when you paste.

Another thing to be careful about is to buy ledger Nano from official sources.

bratbu

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Quote from: SnapStefan on March 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM

Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

Ledger nano s has the most secured features today,so that even if your computer has been infected with viruses and malwares your coins will still be safe,that is why it is the most recommended wallet to the community,the recovery seed and the random security codes will protect your coins at all cost so that these hackers wont be able to steal your coins.

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Quote from: SnapStefan on March 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM

Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

Ledger nano S cannot be hacked because its a hardware wallet. but it can be corrupt if you have a strong virus on your system. better check your antivirus first before storing and connecting anything important.

AlexOnix

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Quote from: Praesidium on March 04, 2018, 11:41:30 AM

Nope, Ledger Nano S is very secured because it is a hard ware wallet, i've been using mine for quite time and i also do connect it while my internet is not but still i dont get hacked or something, so i assume it is okay however becareful of phishing sites.

I agree, mostly because everything happens due to the fact that people fall for phishing sites. If we strengthen due diligence enough use for safety and a simple flash drive.

SnapStefan

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Quote from: deevan on March 04, 2018, 12:48:59 PM

No, Nano ledger cannot be hacked nor your private keys are leaked when you are connected to the internet on your PC. Even if your computer is compromised with malware still your nano ledger won't be affected by it because the contents of a secure element "a secure chip" storing seeds/keys cannot be extracted. But recently MITM(man-in-the-middle) attack) vulnerability was discovered where an attacker replaces the coin receiving address of yours with him through a malware altering the code that is responsible for generating the address. To mitigate the attack you always should verify the address showing on your computer screen when you generated the address for receiving coin is same as that is displayed on you hardware wallet display. And as you said you have stored your seeds in USB, I recommend remove it from there and just store in an offline place like anyplace in your home, since you connect your USB to an online computer so a malware can steal it.

Thank you deevan! I will take this very seriously!

deevan

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No, Nano ledger cannot be hacked nor your private keys are leaked when you are connected to the internet on your PC. Even if your computer is compromised with malware still your nano ledger won't be affected by it because the contents of a secure element "a secure chip" storing seeds/keys cannot be extracted. But recently MITM(man-in-the-middle) attack) vulnerability was discovered where an attacker replaces the coin receiving address of yours with him through a malware altering the code that is responsible for generating the address. To mitigate the attack you always should verify the address showing on your computer screen when you generated the address for receiving coin is same as that is displayed on you hardware wallet display. And as you said you have stored your seeds in USB, I recommend remove it from there and just store in an offline place like anyplace in your home, since you connect your USB to an online computer so a malware can steal it.

SnapStefan

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Quote from: HALLASTERA on March 04, 2018, 12:07:34 PM

Quote from: SnapStefan on March 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM

Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

Of course, first of all you need do not connect to internet. Use internet for hardware wallets only when you want to spend crypto.

That's right! That's exactly what I do.

SnapStefan

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Quote from: makishart on March 04, 2018, 12:05:10 PM

Quote from: didzi on March 04, 2018, 11:51:12 AM

if you want to sent assets with ledger nano s, you need to confirm the transactions with the button in ledger nano s
so, this hardware wallet is secure my friend

In fact that ledger nano is not secure as trezor, Trezor has a better security and that's why i was migrating from ledger to the trezor. I have seen so many case about ledger nano being exploited and the amount has been stolen by the hacker. Don't tell me if this hardware wallet (ledger) is secure again. Trezor has some layers on its security. But to connect everything to the internet will be involved a high risk.

Both are secure.
Just check the receiver address and amount before confirming the transaction.
Can't see any advantage of the Trezor in comparison to the Ledger Nano S.
Always connecting your hardware-wallet to a PC with internet access may not be really necessary and should be prevented but it shouldn't cause any problems though.
The real problem was the USB stick containing the recovery phrase but the OP already noticed.

By the way: Also don't store any unencrypted private keys on your computer!

But even if the recovery phrase is on a USB stick, my USB stick is loaded with 15 GB of photoshop files and other code-related stuff because I'm a web designer, and this recovery phrase information is written in a text document that has a name like "newdoc178". So, do you still think the risk is as high? I think it's hard enough for any virus to find hidden information in such a text document.

HALLASTERA

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Quote from: SnapStefan on March 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM

Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

Of course, first of all you need do not connect to internet. Use internet for hardware wallets only when you want to spend crypto.

makishart

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Quote from: didzi on March 04, 2018, 11:51:12 AM

if you want to sent assets with ledger nano s, you need to confirm the transactions with the button in ledger nano s
so, this hardware wallet is secure my friend

In fact that ledger nano is not secure as trezor, Trezor has a better security and that's why i was migrating from ledger to the trezor. I have seen so many case about ledger nano being exploited and the amount has been stolen by the hacker. Don't tell me if this hardware wallet (ledger) is secure again. Trezor has some layers on its security. But to connect everything to the internet will be involved a high risk.

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nope. however people are forgetting the nano's one and only job which is to shield your private keys from exposure to the internet. its protection won't extend to anything you see on your computer screen.

anything your computer is showing you could be compromised. you might be the victim of a man in the middle attack when someone inserts a false address to divert the coins away from their original destination through the ledger app. there's been a fake ledger app in the chrome store though i don't know whether it actually works.

always verify the addresses on the ledger nano screen itself.

mobilazy

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Such flaw doesn't exist yet, AFAIK. I only heard of the attack when malware replaces the right address with hacker's one. But easy to counteract by comparing the address where you intended to send with the one on the screen of Ledger. All your private keys are safe inside of Ledger Nano S. But keep ur 24 word (sic!) phrase safe!

gsg07

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Quote from: Praesidium on March 04, 2018, 11:41:30 AM

Nope, Ledger Nano S is very secured because it is a hard ware wallet, i've been using mine for quite time and i also do connect it while my internet is not but still i dont get hacked or something, so i assume it is okay however becareful of phishing sites.

Im surprised! Looks like Ledger Nano S is a super protected wallet. But what about Trezo? Trezor also has such strong securety?

SnapStefan

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Quote from: SnapStefan on March 04, 2018, 11:29:40 AM

Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

Hi,

Connecting the Ledger shouldn't be any problem (that's the point of using a hardware-wallet).
However storing your 24 word phrase unencrypted on a device with internet-access is not a good idea - this just renders the hardware-wallet useless as this phrase can be used to access your wallet without any password and malware could access your usb drive without any problems.
In general you should only write down your 24 word phrase on the included card and store the card safely (DO NOT LOSE IT!).
If you're storing big equivalents of money you could additionally memorize the phrase (24 words shouldn't be that hard).

In this case, I will write my 24 word phrase on the paper and I will delete this information from the USB stick. Thank you very much for your answer!

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Quote from: Praesidium on March 04, 2018, 11:41:30 AM

Nope, Ledger Nano S is very secured because it is a hard ware wallet, i've been using mine for quite time and i also do connect it while my internet is not but still i dont get hacked or something, so i assume it is okay however becareful of phishing sites.

I agree with you . Ledger Nano S is very safe because I have been using this device for 2 years and have not had any problems. I personally encourage people to use this wallet because there are so many coin to hold for a long time. I always choose altcoin in this purse to invest because the potential of all that altcoin is very high

didzi

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if you want to sent assets with ledger nano s, you need to confirm the transactions with the button in ledger nano s
so, this hardware wallet is secure my friend

lovela

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I don't think sMerit harvesting is a serious crime

I think no, Ledger Nano S cannot be hacked when connected to your computer with internet but it depends when your computer is compromised and the virus is very specific that it only infect hardware wallets but I don't think that's the case.
There is no way the hardware wallets are hackable because the web browser directly access to the hardware wallet that is Ledger Nano S that only be accessed when the private key is asked.
When the browser will access the hardware wallet prove key you will then press the pass codes in order to private key will be released directly to the browser so the prove keys will not be stored on Ram or random access memory.

Praesidium

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Nope, Ledger Nano S is very secured because it is a hard ware wallet, i've been using mine for quite time and i also do connect it while my internet is not but still i dont get hacked or something, so i assume it is okay however becareful of phishing sites.

SnapStefan

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Dear bitcoin community,

First of all, I want to thank you very much for your effort in helping the new crypto investors to better understand this great phenomenon.

I also bring into discussion the security of Ledger Nano S because I deposit all my crypto coins on my Ledger Nano S that I bought from the official website.

So, can Ledger Nano S be hacked when is connected to PC with internet?

I guess it's pretty safe and should not be hacked so easy.

I must also mention that I keep my 24 words passphrase in a text document on a stick that is almost always connected to my personal computer which is also in turn connected to the internet.

Can this be a risk Huh

Thanks to everyone who contributes to this thread in helping me better understand the maximum safety limit of Ledger Nano S.

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