Can Merits be Deleted if the Merited Post is Removed in a Self-Moderated Thread?

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Quote from: Doan9269 on March 20, 2024, 01:59:44 PM

am not saying that merited posts cant be deleted, but for such to receive merit, it deserves not to be deleted and is likely not going to be deleted.

That's not accurate. Merit is given subjectively on a lot of occasions, and it doesn't mean that if you have received a merit from me for a certain post that you made should make your post stay and mods shouldn't delete it even if it isn't good enough but maybe I liked something in it.

Do you think that every single post in this forum that has received at least one merit from the announcement day of the merit system till today is constructive and deserves merits or shouldn't/shouldn't have been deleted?

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Quote from: Doan9269 on March 20, 2024, 01:59:44 PM

First of all, know this that merits cant be deleted, and that you received merit from a thread means the content to that thread is impactful or what you post make some meaning, assuming you're the OP to the thread and you receive merits, that alone proves the quality in what you posted to have attracted merits and is likely not to be deleted, instead may be moved to the appropriate board as the case may be, am not saying that merited posts cant be deleted, but for such to receive merit, it deserves not to be deleted and is likely not going to be deleted.

It can happen, though, as the moderators of self-moderated threads may not share the criteria of those who merited the post. So I think that it is positive to respect the opinion of those who merited, taking into account that merits are limited, and therefore don't delete the merits only because of the decision of the OPs.

Doan9269

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First of all, know this that merits cant be deleted, and that you received merit from a thread means the content to that thread is impactful or what you post make some meaning, assuming you're the OP to the thread and you receive merits, that alone proves the quality in what you posted to have attracted merits and is likely not to be deleted, instead may be moved to the appropriate board as the case may be, am not saying that merited posts cant be deleted, but for such to receive merit, it deserves not to be deleted and is likely not going to be deleted.

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Had this happen to me in the past, the good thing is that you'd still keep the merits, the bad thing is that you won't know where it came from, I mean if you're like me who opted to not use my email for notifications or my telegram account for notifs that is. Merits are irrevocable once granted, the sender won't be able to get them back, and the one that got sent merits with wouldn't be able to rid them of these merits even if they wanted to (and why would you want to in the first place).

Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 14, 2024, 10:08:14 AM

Nope, the merit stays.

Probably the forum show the "amount merit deleted" is to let people know if the @OP might misuse his moderation power because "merit is for high quality post", so if @OP deleted a merited post, it could be a something wrong i.e. he didn't accept a criticism, but someone might send the merit by accident or they just want it because merit is subjective.

I think the reason's just because it's way easier to implement something that's permanently granted rather than something that could be revoked any time, but I can see how your reason could be a possible motive for merits being permanent too. But if I rarely see someone delete a self-moderated post because they got cooked in the comments, most of the time they just lock the entire post to prevent further roasting which is a solid move from these people cause by all means, you have all the rights to rid yourself of the burning but they still choose not to, so props to that.

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 14, 2024, 09:55:59 AM

If this topic has been discussed sometime in the past, I will lock it and read the comments on the previous topic.

I am curios to know if merits can be deleted. From this self moderated mega thread, the notice on it simply reads, "This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 1 users with 9 merit deleted.)" Does this sentence in any way implies that merits can be deleted if the post by a user is removed?

From what I have seen on the forum so far, that line you quoted is simply telling you that the 170 posts that were deleted earned a total of 9 merits, this does not mean that the merits earned from those posts was deleted from the user's profile, no, merit earned is already earned and can't be deleted, no matter what, even if as a user who have earned a total of 200 merits, decided to delete all your posts, including the ones that earned you those 200 merits, those 200 merits will still remain in your profile, only your activity score will be will be affected which will drop and take you back to a lower rank depending on the number of activity you have left, but merit can never be reduced or deleted after you've earned it.

This is believe other users have actually explained and it's clearly understandable,.
And let me also add that the ability for earned merit not to be deleted out of a users profile is actually a very nice feature, else, many users would possibly lost a good number of merits when ever their post is deleted with its earned merits.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 15, 2024, 10:14:15 AM

Sidenote (for a chuckle at best): One could envision a worse scenario, whereby we drop the "s" from sMerits, and fear a Merit decay instead …

Woah...this sounds like an apocalyptic Merit scenario.

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 15, 2024, 07:30:25 AM

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 14, 2024, 10:27:33 AM

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DdmrDdmr your link to your reply gave me an better understanding for question. Thanks.

I have kinda like a follow up question to it, is there a record of decayed sMerits in the system. I am prompted to ask from your replies and also from this text when a user wants to send merit, there is this text - There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

Hoarding sMerit will not be profitable at all, but the warning has a double role if one day there is very little sMerit in circulation then the admin could cause the sMerit to rot if it is not used within a certain period of time. Even if this hasn't happened yet, then again there's no point in hoarding sMerits unless you really want to contribute to the community.

Often my sMerit becomes 0 for the reasons above, it makes me try as hard as possible and have to wait for the generosity of other users to send me merit until sMerit is refilled because I am not a merit source. So if you have plans to contribute to the community, then you shouldn't need to hoard sMerits.

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 15, 2024, 07:30:25 AM

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There’s no history of that happening to date. I presume the message plays a double role, acting as a warning in case sMerit decay were to become a thing at some point, and as a way to try to get people to participate in meriting, precisely in fear of the warning.

Sidenote (for a chuckle at best): One could envision a worse scenario, whereby we drop the "s" from sMerits, and fear a Merit decay instead …

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 14, 2024, 10:27:33 AM

It can, though only in rare circumstances. On a few occasions some sMerit TXs have been deleted by the Admin; in others a TX with a negative amount was generated to counter a positive sMerit TX. Most of such cases are probably listed or pointed to in this post.

Regarding the OPs question, the idea is to show the number of aggregate merits for the deleted posts in the self-moderated thread as depicted here.

DdmrDdmr your link to your reply gave me an better understanding for question. Thanks.

I have kinda like a follow up question to it, is there a record of decayed sMerits in the system. I am prompted to ask from your replies and also from this text when a user wants to send merit, there is this text - There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on March 14, 2024, 04:00:51 PM

I meannnn, you took alot of time to explain what was pretty clear to any learned person that has atleast filled forms online and offline.. everything is made to suit a particular event - that's either in it singular or plural form.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

Hi Sandra.

First of all, I don't see how you concluded that it took me a lot of time to explain that because it didn't take more than a couple of minutes for me to write that post, besides, it was just a suggestion and nothing forced or anything. The learned people that you are talking about are in most cases newbies who get confused with such things, so I was just suggesting a small change that could make a difference.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 14, 2024, 10:27:33 AM

Regarding the OPs question, the idea is to show the number of aggregate merits for the deleted posts in the self-moderated thread as depicted here.

Allow me to highlight the correct answer of the question to OP, as there are still lots who answered even after DdmrDdmr reply which he already explained the reasons, and linked the thread/s related to it.

Also, i guess it's time to lock the thread.

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on March 14, 2024, 03:47:06 PM

You just explained it very well. The merit word just explained that there is a tendency of abuse of self moderation. It means that the Op of the thread deleted posts that received upto 9 merits. If a post should receive a merit, it means it is a quality post. So, the self moderator therefore deleted quality post(s). To make it more understandable, the admin should consider to rephrase the statement as suggested by alone055.

A quality posts can still be considered as an off topic to that particular discussion by the OP and someone or people who issued the merit might be agreeing with that post but still the OP of the thread would feel leaving it would derail the conversation elsewhere which wouldn’t want on that particular thread and then he might result into deleting the post just to keep the thread clean. The best thing to do by the one who’s post was deleted is to just create his own thread an post his views there and then the thread wouldn’t be deleted again except otherwise by the admin or moderators

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 14, 2024, 09:55:59 AM

I am curios to know if merits can be deleted. From this self moderated mega thread, the notice on it simply reads, "This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 1 users with 9 merit deleted.)" Does this sentence in any way implies that merits can be deleted if the post by a user is removed?

It won't be deleted.

If that merited post was deleted, you will see this information at your merit summary page.

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(Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)

It is same if you change your Ignore Board Preference setting.

An example is Ratimov/ Symmetrick. Delete many merited posts. and his account still has 10K+ merit.

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 14, 2024, 09:55:59 AM

If this topic has been discussed sometime in the past, I will lock it and read the comments on the previous topic.

I am curios to know if merits can be deleted. From this self moderated mega thread, the notice on it simply reads, "This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 1 users with 9 merit deleted.)" Does this sentence in any way implies that merits can be deleted if the post by a user is removed?

merits don't get deleted neither does it decay, but some cases could differ - just like what Ddmr described above...mind you, i didn't know a thing like that... Tongue

self-moderation is totally about the said topic,.. nothing more.

Quote from: Alone055 on March 14, 2024, 12:15:26 PM

I hope this can be helpful to remove confusion such as this.

I meannnn, you took alot of time to explain what was pretty clear to any learned person that has atleast filled forms online and offline.. everything is made to suit a particular event - that's either in it singular or plural form.

Sandra 🧑‍🦰

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Quote from: Plaguedeath on March 14, 2024, 10:08:14 AM

Nope, the merit stays.

Probably the forum show the "amount merit deleted" is to let people know if the @OP might misuse his moderation power because "merit is for high quality post", so if @OP deleted a merited post, it could be a something wrong i.e. he didn't accept a criticism, but someone might send the merit by accident or they just want it because merit is subjective.

You just explained it very well. The merit word just explained that there is a tendency of abuse of self moderation. It means that the Op of the thread deleted posts that received upto 9 merits. If a post should receive a merit, it means it is a quality post. So, the self moderator therefore deleted quality post(s). To make it more understandable, the admin should consider to rephrase the statement as suggested by alone055.

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 14, 2024, 09:55:59 AM

Can Merits be Deleted if the Merited Post is Removed in a Self-Moderated Thread?

As far as I know, at this time there are no additional options/features regarding (self-moderated topics), still the basic rules, which were stated by: @theymos.

That state.

Quote from: theymos on March 13, 2013, 08:52:59 PM

In most sections, you now have the option of marking topics self-moderated when creating them. In self-moderated topics, the OP can delete replies. The option for enabling this is under "additional options". Topics cannot be converted to self-moderated topics after creation.

There are no rules to self-moderation. In self-moderated threads, replies belong to the OP. In other threads, replies belong to the respondents individually. Think carefully about whether you want to reply to a self-moderated topic, as your post may not be given due respect.

Tell me if there are any bugs. If this ends up not working out well, I might remove it.

Points below, if any (bugs).
You can still try contacting @theymos. For bugs the new deletion option (Merited) for topics is self-moderated, but I'm not sure that option is approved.

Because this effect has a big impact on other users who managed to get (Merit), it seems that this option is not good.

Alone055

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 14, 2024, 09:55:59 AM

I am curios to know if merits can be deleted. From this self moderated mega thread, the notice on it simply reads, "This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 1 users with 9 merit deleted.)" Does this sentence in any way implies that merits can be deleted if the post by a user is removed?

This confusion can be removed with a simple change of positioning of the words.

The sentence is now "170 posts by 1 users with 9 merit deleted." it can be changed to "170 posts with 9 merit by 1 users deleted."
Or, to make it more clear and easily understandable, it can be "170 posts by 1 users (with 9 merits) deleted."

There is one more thing that can be a good addition for better readability and correction. the word "users" should be written "user(s)" so that it can be read user if it's 1, and users if it's more than 1, that "s" in the parentheses is an optional letter that one can read when necessary or skip when it's not.

I hope this can be helpful to remove confusion such as this.

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The OP of a self moderated thread can only delete posts in his thread that he believes are off-topic or of no use to the discussion but that does not affect the merit given to the deleted post.

Quote from: Eternad on March 14, 2024, 10:09:33 AM

This is the beauty of our merit system, It can’t be remove no matter what happened to the original post.

That’s not entirely true, merits can be removed by the Admin. And it has been done before:

Quote from: theymos on July 20, 2018, 01:33:23 PM

Since it was a large amount and a clear-cut case, I deleted those merit sends.

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on March 14, 2024, 10:27:33 AM

Quote from: Eternad on March 14, 2024, 10:09:33 AM

<…> This is the beauty of our merit system, It can’t be remove no matter what happened to the original post.

It can, though only in rare circumstances. On a few occasions some sMerit TXs have been deleted by the Admin; in others a TX with a negative amount was generated to counter a positive sMerit TX. Most of such cases are probably listed or pointed to in this post.

Regarding the OPs question, the idea is to show the number of aggregate merits for the deleted posts in the self-moderated thread as depicted here.

Wow, I've not seen this before. It's interesting to learn that there was a situation that lead to sending out negative merits to users. I really taught it was never possible on Bitcointalk. Though, it's a good thing this can only be done by the admin else, it might have caused conflicts on the forum and possible abuse. This is why alot of users never supported the motion of a demerit system

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Quote from: alastantiger on March 14, 2024, 09:55:59 AM

(170 posts by 1 users with 9 merit deleted.[/i])" Does this sentence in any way implies that merits can be deleted if the post by a user is removed?

The merit was not deleted, but the user who made the post that was deleted has only 9 merits and has made about 170 posts on the self-moderated thread, of which the OP has deleted them all.

They are just trying to explain what user's post was deleted for the reader to be aware of. As far as I know, the only thing I know about deleted posts and merit is that if you check on a user's merit list, if they get merit from a deleted post or topic, the merit will remain there, and the statement will show that the post is now off-limits to the reader.

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Quote from: Eternad on March 14, 2024, 10:09:33 AM

<…> This is the beauty of our merit system, It can’t be remove no matter what happened to the original post.

It can, though only in rare circumstances. On a few occasions some sMerit TXs have been deleted by the Admin; in others a TX with a negative amount was generated to counter a positive sMerit TX. Most of such cases are probably listed or pointed to in this post.

Regarding the OPs question, the idea is to show the number of aggregate merits for the deleted posts in the self-moderated thread as depicted here.

Eternad

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In addition to what PX-Z.

All the deleted post with merits will record on your merit history as “Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored” instead of the original of the thread when you made the post.

This is the beauty of our merit system, It can’t be remove no matter what happened to the original post.

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Nope, the merit stays.

Probably the forum show the "amount merit deleted" is to let people know if the @OP might misuse his moderation power because "merit is for high quality post", so if @OP deleted a merited post, it could be a something wrong i.e. he didn't accept a criticism, but someone might send the merit by accident or they just want it because merit is subjective.

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No, merits will remain the same thoughts as there's no "demerit" feature here, it's been discussed so many times. That "merit deleted" is confusing and probably admin @theymos have to do something about it.

I think this thread belongs to Meta instead here in B&H board.

alastantiger

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If this topic has been discussed sometime in the past, I will lock it and read the comments on the previous topic.

I am curios to know if merits can be deleted. From this self moderated mega thread, the notice on it simply reads, "This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (170 posts by 1 users with 9 merit deleted.)" Does this sentence in any way implies that merits can be deleted if the post by a user is removed?

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