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October 08, 2023, 09:43:22 AM
#55
There will always be a slight difference between "Own Writting" & "Plagiarised Writting" no matter what. Unintentional plagrism, I don't thing I have heard any plagrism case related with this.

What is plagrism actually!? Copying others thoughts ideas & designs. And if one copies that, line by line it is considered plagrism.

But if we use commonly used words or information like "Earth is the third planet of our solar system". Will it be plagrism? I don't think so. But if one copies an entire or part of a article about solar system, it is likely plagrism.

The thing with plagrism is, even if you take information from the internet, the order of words, the style of writting, the use of grammer always will be different. It's very rare when something marches perfectly.

I won't be talking about paraphase because there are many online tools, by which we can tell if AI is used or other means to detect paraphase writting.
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October 07, 2023, 06:46:17 PM
#54
Plagiarism reports is handled case by case, some members are given a second chance to change their ways while others immediately get nuked. For me, the worst type of plagiarism is where a person attempts to make an original content his won by paraphrasing and interchanging certain words to hide his tracks. That is plagiarism with intent and there is no defense for it.
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October 07, 2023, 02:27:56 PM
#53
Seeing this thread makes me wonder how possible one can write so close just like an AI composed sentence although I know that this thread is probably about plagiarism with someone comment but I would like to point the fact that same thought can be related to someone that can write so good that it's close to even the writing of an AI content, am just wondering how possible is this?
It's not as hard as you think. For AI detection, I've noticed that different websites sometimes detect very different results. I've personally seen and tested posts made on the forum and noticed that one detector would claim it's almost 100% human-written, while others would claim the exact opposite. There were also others that stood in the middle, detecting as much as 50% to 60% of AI-written content.

I've even tried it on a few of my posts, and some claimed that a large portion of my text was by AI, which isn't true, while others found it was perfectly fine. I believe it was caused because I sometimes use QuillBot to detect any grammatical mistakes. Perhaps detectors think that a way too perfect text can't be written by a human and detect it as AI-written content. How can you be 100% certain if detectors show such a wide deviation?

Plagiarism, on the other hand, is a different story; perhaps paraphrasing an article's main subject and not citing the source can be claimed as plagiarism, but generally anything that isn't uniquely written by you may be as well.
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October 07, 2023, 02:10:57 PM
#52
Can one plagarise unintentionally?

When I read the title of this thread, I skilled. I really had alot of things to say or clarify about plagerism (intentional or unintentional). But then I remembered that in my early days in the forum, I dropped a topic that discussed the question the Op, raised.
Instead of making new efforts to discuss at length, I would drop the link incase anyone would like to visit the thread.
Unintentional plagiarism

Apparently it was discussed two years ago, and yes it seems to have the same interpretation of unintentional plagiarism, and I also think that it is impossible for someone to write the same as someone else's writing with the same wording, it is very unlikely in my personal view, except for mathematics, it is possible because it is based on a formula that is fixed with derivatives.

Even the same person explaining about an object at different times, for example 2 days or more apart in different places, they tend to use different wording or language when re-explaining about the same object.

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October 07, 2023, 12:36:35 PM
#51
Can one plagarise unintentionally?

When I read the title of this thread, I skilled. I really had alot of things to say or clarify about plagerism (intentional or unintentional). But then I remembered that in my early days in the forum, I dropped a topic that discussed the question the Op, raised.
Instead of making new efforts to discuss at length, I would drop the link incase anyone would like to visit the thread.
Unintentional plagiarism
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October 07, 2023, 09:47:54 AM
#50
But what happens if I plagiarize my own writing on another website? And I have the rights to the writing, both patent rights and publication rights
Nothing happens as long as you can prove that you were the original source of the content when it was first posted.
The forum does not bother with patent rights, just prove that xyz account which posted the content on abc website belongs to you.

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October 07, 2023, 06:51:13 AM
#49
I tried checking if there was something like "unintentional plagiarism" and Google provided me with an answer for it which is; "trying to accidentally omit the source of your ideas", but then again is that not actually plagiarism? Plagiarism is plagiarism no matter if it was intentional or not and that's an act strongly frowned upon in the forum and I feel that that for something to become a habit, it must have been done repeatedly over a period of time and have been overlooked.

A search on Google for this stuff it most of the time gives answers about articles, scientific papers, and research, nobody is going to make a whole article and analyze plagiarism in a forum with 4 lines posts as this is basically a bitcointalk specific problem since it's one of the few forums out there where you have to earn merit to rank up and you can achieve that only via good posts and you earn money with your rank, there is no such thing on other forums, nobody is thinking of actively plagiarizing on bimmerforums for example. What would be the point?

If we talk about research papers yeah, unintentional plagiarism where you forget to reference one work you copied a paragraph can happen, on my 250 pages dissertation I had no more than 100+ references it would have been easy for me to actually miss one and that would clearly have not been intentional.

That is completely different from what is being reported on the plagiarism topic.

If we can't find a match on Google, we're unlikely to find it anywhere else, so it may just as well be considered original. I'm quite certain several regular gambling board posters post translations of local sports articles, but I can't find the source when doing reverse translations so for all intents and purposes its not plagiarism... 🤷

Quite surprised about this, why would anyone need to do that when a post in which you mentioned who scored in what minute is considered a valid post and they get paid for it? Copy the odds, say you think that team will win, valid 3-liners, gere you go $2! Extra work and headaches for what benefit?

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October 07, 2023, 06:42:30 AM
#48
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Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious. When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content. However, I wonder if other members have considered this aspect as well. Perhaps there might be some instances where we may unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims, which could lead to account bans.

The only way for someone to commit plagiarism that could be considered accidental is when they copy/paste an article and forget to place the source, and this is often done by beginners. I often report such posts as low value/zero effort posts rather than plagiarism, and if this continues, only then as plagiarism.

Everything else that can look like plagiarism actually falls more into the category of paraphrasing, but if you retell an article in your own words and give your opinion, it shouldn't be a problem. Just in case, it is always good to cite the source if we base our thoughts on someone else's work, not only because someone can accuse us of plagiarism, but also to give credit to the author.
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October 07, 2023, 06:25:51 AM
#47
 I tried checking if there was something like "unintentional plagiarism" and Google provided me with an answer for it which is; "trying to accidentally omit the source of your ideas", but then again is that not actually plagiarism? Plagiarism is plagiarism no matter if it was intentional or not and that's an act strongly frowned upon in the forum and I feel that that for something to become a habit, it must have been done repeatedly over a period of time and have been overlooked.
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October 07, 2023, 04:17:39 AM
#46
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But what happens if I plagiarize my own writing on another website? And I have the rights to the writing, both patent rights and publication rights
Literally it's not plagiarism, but plagiarism detection tools can show such results and you might not avoid being reported. If you hope to be safe, include the source.

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am just wondering how possible is this?
That's because AI text generators also over time improve the ability of humanly readable results to appear as organic as possible. On the other hand, AI detectors are also unreliable.
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October 07, 2023, 01:54:30 AM
#45
When there is a topic which I have somewhat idea of but not complete, I search for it on Internet, understand and come back to the topic to write. Despite being a knowledge taken from articles, words flow in my way.

Those who say they unintentionally plagiarised, didn't understand topic in first place. Example being, in mining section, I have no idea about things discussed there, I could search on Google and answer topics but my plagiarism will be obvious because I have no topic understanding in first place.
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October 07, 2023, 01:35:48 AM
#44
Seeing this thread makes me wonder how possible one can write so close just like an AI composed sentence although I know that this thread is probably about plagiarism with someone comment but I would like to point the fact that same thought can be related to someone that can write so good that it's close to even the writing of an AI content, am just wondering how possible is this?
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October 07, 2023, 12:01:07 AM
#43

If we can't find a match on Google, we're unlikely to find it anywhere else, so it may just as well be considered original. I'm quite certain several regular gambling board posters post translations of local sports articles, but I can't find the source when doing reverse translations so for all intents and purposes its not plagiarism... 🤷


Maybe because the writing is not completely plagiarized, but they summarize the writing using their own language style so that even if a reverse translation is carried out, the writing is still considered unique. This method is often used by bloggers or copywriters, they summarize or combine writing on various websites
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October 06, 2023, 11:38:58 PM
#42
Google stopped giving reliable results when searching for exact phrases a while ago. I'm pretty sure they've indexed my post in this topic already, but that one doesn't show up either.

If we can't find a match on Google, we're unlikely to find it anywhere else, so it may just as well be considered original. I'm quite certain several regular gambling board posters post translations of local sports articles, but I can't find the source when doing reverse translations so for all intents and purposes its not plagiarism... 🤷

Sometimes while searching for matching text on Google I do run across a result for the Bitcointalk post it originates from. But not all the time, and yes in your example it has yet to appear as a search result.
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October 06, 2023, 11:25:51 PM
#41
I will not count whatever will be 'unintentional plagiarism' as plagiarism at all, it is just a shared though or a borrowed thought.

I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.

When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.

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I am in this ballpark of blaming and banning. Some times it looks wrong but it isn’t.

Yes, everyone has their own writing style and the chances of them plagiarizing accidentally are very small. Especially writing that contains opinions or arguments

But what happens if I plagiarize my own writing on another website? And I have the rights to the writing, both patent rights and publication rights
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October 06, 2023, 10:43:43 PM
#40
I will not count whatever will be 'unintentional plagiarism' as plagiarism at all, it is just a shared though or a borrowed thought.

I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.

When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.

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I am in this ballpark of blaming and banning. Some times it looks wrong but it isn’t.
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October 06, 2023, 10:32:58 PM
#39
Unintentional and plagiarism is like oil and water, they don't mix. If you mean by unintentional plagiarism, that they posted something that has the same thought as the other previous posts but worded in a way that it's not really a plagiarism but just a result of not reading the thread to see if their thought has already been conceived. But if you mean that they have the same post and thought as other previous post, I don't think that's in any way intentional because no way someone from a different place in a different country on the Internet can have the exact same thoughts and vocabulary, in essence I don't believe that there's such a thing as unintentional plagiarism.
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October 06, 2023, 09:29:39 PM
#38
How can you unintentionally post entirely same what others have published already in their own words? The some lines can match or real facts that you can't put in your words but making full posts like that is not possible until you are plagiarizing according to me.We use different words to explain same thing and do you really believe you will write exactly same what other have written before even knowing about it?
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October 06, 2023, 07:17:31 PM
#37
Just as Nutildah has said, I agree with him. I don't think it's 99.9% possible for someone to accurately write about three sentences of another person's idea that are not theirs. Before that can be possible, either the person is already familiar with the lines of text they have read from another person's idea or they are just trying to spin the words to look like they were the original owners of that idea, and that can still be seen as plagiarism. Sometimes, when I write something and I feel that it could be something that another user might have said already, I just delete the comment and move on to the next topic. Although humans make mistakes at times and there's no one above making a mistake, it could also be possible that some people unintentionally plagiarize when they are not thinking straight.
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October 05, 2023, 12:19:20 PM
#36
Unintentional plagiarism in google is not giving proper credit to original owner either its an image, research, sentence, etc. even there's no intention of doing it,  which is really bannable here in this forum (to forget to include the source).

I will agree what nutildah said about the long of the copied text, only if it was copied from other users also on those "known phrase" like "prevention is better than cure" not on what you can see on google and other blog articles in the internet.
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October 05, 2023, 09:57:20 AM
#35
Well, if you must know, plagiarism is not a peculiar infraction attractor to this forum only, it attracts rebuff everywhere sanely possible. But I wouldn't say that anyone is perfect, regardless, you might be surprised that most of those who were banned due to it would be 100% guilty of such, it's a deliberate act, and I don't believe they would be banned unwarned. If so, then it's not so welcoming.

Some are just in this forum to spam and make meaningless posts, some will even copy words for words from the source, which is very annoying. Giving them a second chance might be good if the infraction is not too much but there are some that are not worth considering at all.

This takes me to some old and good posters, some do plagiarise, but it could be through overbearing or mistakes, such could be easily forgiven after some warnings. It's also their responsibility to change immediately as no one is above the rules when found seriously guilty.

Above all, plagiarisers can stop if they want to as we can shun plagiarism if we are natural and organic enough.

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October 05, 2023, 08:34:51 AM
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I’ve seen people killing other people unintentionally too.
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Committing plagiarism unintentionally is just like that. You may not know the consequences of doing it but it bites you in the ass anyway. Ignorance is not an excuse when breaking the law.

BS!
He killed somebody while trying to do something that could have resulted in somebody dying in 100 ways.
Every time you drive you might by mistake kill somebody, you might kill somebody by baking a cookie and so on, plagiarims by mistake is completely different.

To go by your example, the chances of plagiarism while typing your own thoughts are just like the chances of killing someone in the same specific way, on the same day of the week, the same weather outside by mistake! Zero!

It's almost impossible for people if not constrained by making their 4 lines of text quota with specific wording to a specific subject to end up even with one line of the same text, once the user stops trying to quota shitpost the chances are null! Add mistypes, spelling errors, and grammar, it becomes really impossible, even if trying to write down the same text from memory and two native english speaking users one from Australia and one from UK will end with different texts.
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October 05, 2023, 08:12:13 AM
#33
I think plagiarism is a bad habit. Every time you do that, more terms will be neglected.
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October 05, 2023, 03:17:10 AM
#32
There could be a chance where you type the same thought as the other then I think it's unintentional plagiarism if you didn't know about it existed already but if the thought of other people is what  person is posted even though he/she did not copy it all and it is still a plagiarism.

Ideas are not a subject of copyright. If you'll say that you invented an idea of a bicycle, it would be fun, everyone will think it's a joke or you are a weird guy, but it's not a plagiarism by itself as for this forum and in many cases in outer life as well. Even if you'll invent a bike by yourself you'll hardly write about it word-by-word as it did previous inventors. It is not what happening, people write the same things with different words.
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October 05, 2023, 12:52:30 AM
#31


I've come across numerous ban appeal threads, but not all of them result in unbanning. So, my question is this, What if some members don't intentionally plagiarize content but still find themselves in that category?

Let's approach this discussion with reason and understanding, avoiding negative responses. Your insights and experiences on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

The keyword is how frequent, if it is once or twice and it is not even reaching 70% I believe it does not deserve a ban but a warning will do this for the member to check his post, but if 7 of his 10 posts reached 70% then it deserves a permanent ban, majority of members who does this are newbies or low-rank members in trying to create a good topic or post they have tempted to use software to support or help them make good posts.
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October 05, 2023, 12:38:56 AM
#30
I’ve seen people killing other people unintentionally too.

https://twitter.com/ConflictTR/status/1705134733334646897/

See this?

This poor guy just killed his friend unintentionally. They were both having fun but ooops he dead. “It was just an accident sorry for killing you bruh life goes on :/“

Committing plagiarism unintentionally is just like that. You may not know the consequences of doing it but it bites you in the ass anyway. Ignorance is not an excuse when breaking the law.
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October 04, 2023, 09:40:08 PM
#29
Plagiarism is prohibited in this forum and  rules is rules once a user caught for plagiarism then for sure he/she will face the consequences. And also about you said Op that unintentionally plagiarized then maybe you forget to site the source, or else you already memorized the source long time ago then when you encounter here in forum then you write what you've memorized but still you did not site the source cause you think that you learn it from someone so that you've not put the sources and without knowing that it searchable which means google have the same idea and still that is plagiarism.
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October 04, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
#28
In the world of written content, their main enemy is plagiarism. In the world of video content, their main enemy is reuploads. Both of these are acts of copyright infringement as bitcointalk is under US authority (correct me if I'm wrong). And plagiarism will give rise to legal action if the original owner of the writing files a copyright claim. The lowest copyright claim is to DMCA and request removal of the content, however this may proceed to legal jurisdiction

Providing a link to the original article does not guarantee anything as the original author can still file a copyright lawsuit
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October 04, 2023, 05:18:33 PM
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There could be a chance where you type the same thought as the other then I think it's unintentional plagiarism if you didn't know about it existed already but if the thought of other people is what  person is posted even though he/she did not copy it all and it is still a plagiarism. It is not the forum's responsibility to know the forum rules that's why it is pinned for newbies to look at before doing something else that can/may cause trouble or problems with your account like getting banned.
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October 04, 2023, 04:46:36 PM
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(I don't know if meta would be appropriate for this thread any suggestions would be appreciated)

I've been pondering an important topic that I believe deserves our thoughtful consideration. ''plagiarism within our community". it might not be a good one, it's certainly worth discussing.

Each day, as we observe the Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed thread by LoyceV, it becomes apparent that many of these plagiarizers often fall into the category of newbies and low-ranked members. These actions, whether intentional or not, seem to be on the rise but thanks to some of our diligent plagiarism busters here on the forum, a lot of them are caught on spot.

We know that many of us avidly and constantly read various articles from different sources, accumulating knowledge along the way. When questions arise on the forum related to the information we've gathered, we naturally share our insights. This raises an intriguing question. is it possible to inadvertently or unknowingly plagiarize content? a lot of these offenders in their appeal thread, claims to have been unaware or unintentionally plagarized their contents.

Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious. When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content. However, I wonder if other members have considered this aspect as well. Perhaps there might be some instances where we may unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims, which could lead to account bans.

I've come across numerous ban appeal threads, but not all of them result in unbanning. So, my question is this, What if some members don't intentionally plagiarize content but still find themselves in that category?

Let's approach this discussion with reason and understanding, avoiding negative responses. Your insights and experiences on this matter would be greatly appreciated.


No to your topic. Intent matters for conviction of the act.

  The problem is you can write a shorter set of sentences that are an exact copy of someone else's work since the infinite monkey with infinite typewriter idea is true. 

This site is USA based so plagiarism is not allowed thus it attempts to stop it.

So the difficulty is did someone do something on purpose or unintentionally has happened here more than one time.

Since the website could be punished it tends to convict is two or more sentences are exact.
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October 04, 2023, 03:51:57 PM
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You can't unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims because plagiarized content itself says that I've been plagiarized, and mods don't just ban users because someone has reported them, they do check themselves whether the evidence is true and enough for the person to be banned or not.

I've reported several users for plagiarism in the past, and I know what you are trying to say isn't something one should be worried about.
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October 04, 2023, 02:37:39 PM
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I will not count whatever will be 'unintentional plagiarism' as plagiarism at all, it is just a shared though or a borrowed thought.

I may have read from a user that passport is a good hardware wallet and Electrum is a good software wallet, if another users asks, I can simply write out that thought to them in fairly similar sentences as the user I read it from used, but it will not fall into the ballpark of plagiarism, especially as the text will have other sentences which makes it unique. I consider it almost impossible to unintentionally plagiarize except by copying and pasting while forgetting to include the source of the content, but writing off the top of your head it is impossible to plagiarize.

When writing without reading a text, the human brain is bound to formulate the thought in a unique way, adding content you already have in it, for this reason, every user has their own writing style and it will show even if they are writing something similar with someone else.

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October 04, 2023, 02:16:34 PM
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Even though the rules are pretty strict about plagiarism, I think the moderators can easily spot what is actually done intentionally and what isn't. Accidental plagiarism is a thing though, you might unintentionally forward information or text that someone else has already wrote about.

I think it could be compared to music - a lot of times some pieces that are already written come to mind to another musician (happened to me to write a very similar part of a song even though it wasn't in my mind the slightest). So, sometimes it would be logical to write something, unknowingly plagiarizing the original contributor.

Even though we must be alert about this, misunderstandings can happen.
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October 04, 2023, 02:01:46 PM
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I'd like to offer my opinion. I believe that unintentional plagiarism can be attributed to elementary forgetfulness (well, I forgot to add a link, it happens). Also to unintentional plagiarism I would include elementary ignorance or misunderstanding of what plagiarism is (well, I copied someone's text, so what. So many people do it on various resources on the Internet). Forgot to add the link once, okay. But if a user "forgets" to add a link all the time, that's not normal. Well with illiteracy in terms of understanding that plagiarism is stealing, I don't know what to do. If a person does not understand this, then it is only necessary to carry out explanatory work. And even then, it is not certain that the person will understand. I've personally warned users several times (here's one such instance, or here), but people just ignored the warnings.

This is the kind of example I can accept as unintentional plagiarism (although the moderators counted differently)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62935451

or this example
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62914334

But, if a person inserts a borrowed text into his/her text, I personally consider this to be real intentional plagiarism. Here is an example like in my last post, here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62944790

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October 04, 2023, 11:34:08 AM
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There is intentional and accidental plagiarism, so one act of plagiarism will fall on either of these. So accidental plagiarism may not mean any harm, or a total accidental to have a same thought with the same flow of sentence so it is going to be subjective for one's thought to judge whether it is accidental or not. However, we can clearly see if its intentional like the construction of sentence, thought, flow of paragraphs, and even the changing of words and arrangement. Well, actually plagiarism lies in the structure and not the thought, but yeah coincidences happen.

Sometimes do you know what people do? They just copy some sentences from any website on the internet,  and they just put these sentences in a plagiarism checking websites,  (which we know there are many on the internet). And after that if the plagiarism's websites finds some plagiarism in his sentences or paragraph then he again copy his text and put it on the rephrasing websites,  and there the rephrasing's website exchange some words for him and make it a little different than it was before. How could we judge it? And in what categories we should include it ? As you have mentioned some of them intentionally and some may be un intentionally, and also coincidence happens too rare,  not at all,  I can say in 5% in the 100% coincidence happens,  except them all are intentional.
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October 04, 2023, 11:29:04 AM
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According to Google, nobody did  Cheesy
Google stopped giving reliable results when searching for exact phrases a while ago. I'm pretty sure they've indexed my post in this topic already, but that one doesn't show up either.
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October 04, 2023, 11:24:52 AM
#19
Chances are someone wrote "If you type it by yourself, it's not plagiarism" before I did

According to Google, nobody did  Cheesy

That's how unlikely it is to commit unintentional plagiarism.
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October 04, 2023, 11:17:40 AM
#18
When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content.
That makes no sense. If you type it by yourself, it's not plagiarism. Chances are someone wrote "If you type it by yourself, it's not plagiarism" before I did, but that doesn't make it plagiarism and there's no point looking for it.



The only way to unintentionally commit plagiarism is by accidentally forgetting to add the source when you quote something. That can easily be avoided by starting with "[ quote]" even before you paste the data into your post.
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October 04, 2023, 10:24:26 AM
#17
When checking texts from AI tools for plagiarism, very often you can find the coincidence of several phrases. Further, when searching for these phrases, the search engine returns completely different sources or does not provide them at all.
The same thing can happen to users. There are quite popular phrases about Bitcoin that can be considered plagiarism, but even if such a proposal is complained about, the moderators do not consider it.
I think it's very difficult to compose text so that it looks exactly the same as somewhere else. If it is copied without quotation marks, it will always be considered plagiarism.
There is a good example of a suspended account that vehemently claimed that what it said was an exact but coincidental coincidence. And you can check the status of this account until today.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62745477
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October 04, 2023, 09:12:02 AM
#16
This is where “understanding” comes into play…  I have also thought about this several times and I realized that almost all the posts that I have reported for plagiarism are just the typical “copy and paste” and the few that turned out to be paraphrased were obvious that they copied form somewhere and used a word spin tool.

So for someone who previously read an article about a topic and then comes to the forum after some days a similar discussion was opened, it will be very difficult for the person to just write a reply that will be exactly what they read in the article, what you’re expected to do is to “understand” what you read in that article and from there make your own post.

Recently I saw an user provide solution to a question that was asked and when I scanned the post I found some traces of plagiarism but the issue there was that it was about “dates an event took place” so it’s very likely for similar content to be online, in such cases I doubt moderators will ban an account.
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October 04, 2023, 09:10:51 AM
#15
I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content.
If you write it by yourself, there's no chance you will plagiarized someone else post as long as you're not memorizing every words from the original sources e.g. post, article etc. That's why you must understand about something you've read/learn, you will write with your own way with your mind.
If you do not visit the internet often to read about things, you will not be scared of unintentional plagiarism. I do not think it is necessary that you run your own articles with plagiarism check. I have never done this and I do not think that it is necessary.
When you read articles in the internet, try to understand what the article is saying and use your own words to convey them. This is better than memorizing their words because there could be some certain mix up and this might lead to plagerism. According to the American standard, if you copy verbatim 5 consecutive words, it is plagerism.
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October 04, 2023, 08:43:04 AM
#14
I believe this discussion thread was initiated in response to the consequences of plagiarism. Regrettably, the legal system has consistently treated both the uninformed and the well-informed alike when it comes to punishment. Nevertheless, I am of the opinion that there should be a warning issued prior to imposing a more severe penalty for a second offense.
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October 04, 2023, 08:29:54 AM
#13
This issue is very complicated to some certain extent. It's not possible to write a certain amount of words without having similarities index in the plagiarism checker websites whether you are the real writer or you copy it. Talking about doing it intentionally or unintentionally, I don't think one can plagiarize unintentionally because it is almost impossible to write word by word for two to three lines that will coincide with another person's own without having differences. It's possible that you share the same idea with someone but presenting the idea using same words from the beginning to end is certainly not possible.

When you read something else where and you come across something here in the forum that require what you read else where as the solution, you can share the idea and include the link or source as the reference. Some people will try to act smart by changing some words or completely rephrase the whole statement but that doesn't make it your idea. In such case, I will consider it as plagiarism.

I don't know what it is hard in giving accord or credit to the rightful owner of whatever piece you cited. If it is all about getting merit, you might still get the merit for sharing the idea and of course for giving the source for full information. Plagiarism is a serious criminal offense that should be discouraged by all means. Any plagiarism case is deliberately, thou, newbies might claim they don't know how severe it is condemn here and would plea to be condoned. Mods are trying for keeping the forum clean and free from plagiarize content.
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October 04, 2023, 08:17:28 AM
#12
How can someone unintentionally plagiarize several posts? There are certain rules/guidelines that must be followed when someone wants to interact with the world on the internet, so if I am trying to quote someone but I can't remember their name, I'd for example use "-" quote/unquote, that's it nobody can accuse me of anything, but if I keep quoting others without adding anything from my own, that would be plagiarizing.

Nowadays they don't have to work hard as before, they just copy paste from AI chat box, as my knowledge cut off ever since chatGPT came along. 🤣 I don't even know how to use that phrase in a sentence.


If you check github, there are thousands of applications doing the same thing, but why can't we consider them plagiarized code? Because they add a link to the original author's page while adding something valuable to the mix. Most of the cheaters here don't even try that.
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October 04, 2023, 07:56:20 AM
#11
They’re pretty strict with the consequences but I’m pretty sure they let some pass, when someone uses a very common quote without citing the source.

You know, the likes of:

- “Only invest what you’re willing to lose.” (overly used to the point that we don’t know who first publicly used this quote.)
- “Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.” - Overly quoted as well but is apparently said by Warren Buffett
- “Not your keys, not your bitcoin.” - Overly quoted as well, but is apparently said by Andreas Antonopoulos

Mods and admins at the end of the day are human beings, not robots. I’m pretty sure there will be exceptions.
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October 04, 2023, 07:55:54 AM
#10
but yeah coincidences happen.

Any examples? We can talk for instance about rhymed poetry: lines should have a specific meter and have some expected structure. So there will be an expected pattern of a text, so it will be more expected to see such coincidences in poetry. But how many poems do you know where even a single line duplicated the line from another poem if it was not made intentionally? Well, if a line is too short... and what about a stanza? Even in a more structured text there are nealy no coincidences. When you are not bounded by a meter and a rhyme it will be much less likely to write something word-in-word as someone else.

Theoretically everything can be, but in practice... highly unlikely.
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October 04, 2023, 07:42:46 AM
#9
I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content.
If you write it by yourself, there's no chance you will plagiarized someone else post as long as you're not memorizing every words from the original sources e.g. post, article etc. That's why you must understand about something you've read/learn, you will write with your own way with your mind.
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October 04, 2023, 07:20:18 AM
#8
There is intentional and accidental plagiarism, so one act of plagiarism will fall on either of these. So accidental plagiarism may not mean any harm, or a total accidental to have a same thought with the same flow of sentence so it is going to be subjective for one's thought to judge whether it is accidental or not. However, we can clearly see if its intentional like the construction of sentence, thought, flow of paragraphs, and even the changing of words and arrangement. Well, actually plagiarism lies in the structure and not the thought, but yeah coincidences happen.
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October 04, 2023, 07:07:38 AM
#7
Plagiarism is more reserved for directly copying the original thought of others.
Copying thought of others is allowed only if a source link is used or it is put in a quote block. Without a quote block, a source link, it is plagiarism.

The ban is lenient and becomes more lenient last two years and community already question moderators about that. No official answer but in the past, if a plagiarism is made to earn money, to meet campaign post quota, it will cause a permanent ban. It is no longer true last two years and nowadays it seems shit posters are banned by AI-content more than by plagiarsim.
Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)
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October 04, 2023, 07:01:05 AM
#6
Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious. When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content. However, I wonder if other members have considered this aspect as well. Perhaps there might be some instances where we may unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims, which could lead to account bans.

You don't really need to go through the stress of checking your write-up with a plagiarism checker tool to know if your write-up has any missing content. If I happen to read about something online today, I acquire the knowledge, and I have known that thing very well.

If a question or a discussion in relation to that thing happens to come forward, I can say something based on what I understood from it and not based on what I crammed from the previously read work. We talk out of what we understand; we have a very slim possibility of even using the same author's word, so plagiarism in such a case is not possible.
 
When you write something out of your own knowledge, you will know within yourself that it is from you, and without any further tools to verify that it is clean, you should know that yourself.
 
There are cases where I think plagiarism happens unknowingly by some newbies about something, that's when they just read about something and they didn't really understand what they have read but they end up cramming the entire content.

but you  happens to come across a topic related to that, base on the time when they read the work and when this topic comes in place or when they decide to create a topic on that particular subject matter, they might end up doing word spinning thinking they are talking from their head but they are entirely using someone else work and just changing a few things, in such case the user is always advice to include source link in other to make sure that others know this are not entirely their own work.
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October 04, 2023, 07:00:31 AM
#5
We know that many of us avidly and constantly read various articles from different sources, accumulating knowledge along the way. When questions arise on the forum related to the information we've gathered, we naturally share our insights. This raises an intriguing question. is it possible to inadvertently or unknowingly plagiarize content? a lot of these offenders in their appeal thread, claims to have been unaware or unintentionally plagarized their contents.

When you write something in your words you say the same things you read in some other place in some different words. You remember not the text letter by letter, but main its ideas. And if you try to search the same phrase as you wrote in google you'll hardly find any text written the same way, except if it is too trivial or contains a catchphrase.

If it is something trivial you can easily find hundreds of the same constructions in Internet and appeal, but moderators understand that also, so they won't ban when it could be a coincidence.

Try to search with search engines, try to detect with plagiarism detectors, and you'll find out that it is very unlikely to make the same text as someone else, if you didn't copy it or if you didn't use AI bot to make a post instead of you.
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October 04, 2023, 06:54:05 AM
#4
I've come across numerous ban appeal threads, but not all of them result in unbanning. So, my question is this, What if some members don't intentionally plagiarize content but still find themselves in that category?

I would say it depends on the length of text considered to be plagiarism, and the commonality of the text itself... For example, the phrase "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" has been posted on the forum dozens of times and as we all know its a pretty common expression. In using such expressions, nobody accuses the poster of plagiarism.

Plagiarism is more reserved for directly copying the original thought of others.

An interesting question that arises from this is "What is the shortest length of text in a post that has ever resulted in a poster getting banned for plagiarism?"

AFAIK, the length of plagiarized text needs to be at least 2-3 sentences long for the mods to take action. The chance of somebody randomly writing 30 or more words all in the same order as previously written by somebody else is very, very low.

For instance, Google returns zero exact matches of four words of your post, "don't intentionally plagiarize content". So generating 2 or more sentences in the exact same way that anybody else ever has is extremely unlikely (and of course, it depends on the context, whether they are referencing something common or not).
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October 04, 2023, 06:28:03 AM
#3
I've come across numerous ban appeal threads, but not all of them result in unbanning. So, my question is this, What if some members don't intentionally plagiarize content but still find themselves in that category?
Although, ban evasion is not allowed, but we know that most of them will open another account which they will start to use to post after they appeal for the ban but not unbanned. That has thought them a lesson. Plagiarism is not condoned on this forum and ban is the reward.

It is worth knowing that it is only few established members with past mistake of plagiarism that appealed that were unbanned. A newbie with no useful post than plagiarized contents will be banned and not unbanned, even if he appealed against the ban or pleading to be unbanned.
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October 04, 2023, 06:24:07 AM
#2
They can plagiarize intentionally or unintentionally but is it a forum responsibility?

The forum has a thread Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ that is pinned too. They don't read rules so it is their responsibility to deal with bans.

Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious.
It is no longer strict and nowadays if a user is banned because of plagiarism, it does not come from a single plagiarized post but many so a permanent ban is well deserved.

[TIPS] to avoid plagiarism
[GUIDE] Plagiarism and how to avoid it.

There are rules, there are guides but they are creatively to invent new ways to plagiarize.
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October 04, 2023, 06:17:20 AM
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(I don't know if meta would be appropriate for this thread any suggestions would be appreciated)

I've been pondering an important topic that I believe deserves our thoughtful consideration. ''plagiarism within our community". it might not be a good one, it's certainly worth discussing.

Each day, as we observe the Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed thread by LoyceV, it becomes apparent that many of these plagiarizers often fall into the category of newbies and low-ranked members. These actions, whether intentional or not, seem to be on the rise but thanks to some of our diligent plagiarism busters here on the forum, a lot of them are caught on spot.

We know that many of us avidly and constantly read various articles from different sources, accumulating knowledge along the way. When questions arise on the forum related to the information we've gathered, we naturally share our insights. This raises an intriguing question. is it possible to inadvertently or unknowingly plagiarize content? a lot of these offenders in their appeal thread, claims to have been unaware or unintentionally plagarized their contents.

Ever since I joined this forum and learned that plagiarism is a strict rule that cannot be broken, I've been exceptionally cautious. When creating threads or replies, I even utilize plagiarism checkers to ensure there are no unintentional similarities with existing content. However, I wonder if other members have considered this aspect as well. Perhaps there might be some instances where we may unknowingly fall into the category of plagiarism victims, which could lead to account bans.

I've come across numerous ban appeal threads, but not all of them result in unbanning. So, my question is this, What if some members don't intentionally plagiarize content but still find themselves in that category?

Let's approach this discussion with reason and understanding, avoiding negative responses. Your insights and experiences on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
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