Topic: Can soccer players collaborate with gamblers to help them win there bet? (Read 558 times)

I saw that in small leagues only where it is very common and less risky, it is hard to catch these players or fighters when they intentionally act in a away they make their friends or betters win lots of money from sportsbooks. unfortunately, if this thing is coming out to most known and popular league such as Premier League, I must say that rules against such act should be very strict, anyone that attempts such a manipulation against the casino and harming the term of football or sport where they meant to be fair for everyone.

If this news is true and what happened in these situations were planned for, I think there are already more players doing this trick even to gamble themselves using their relatives accounts for betting. I also think the best thing to do now from all football federations to keep an eye on such situations, giving lifetime ban from football, that’s how these players wouldn’t even think about doing it and losing their careers.

I understand that it is easier to fix some of the sports you mention but it will surprise you to know that fixed matches in football is alarming and highly confidential. There have been many reports of match fixing in various leagues including the famous English Premiership and Spanish La Liga.

Unfortunately, fraud will always happen and the one described in this post is easy to implement by a striker that is sure he will score a goal. By the rules, any player that pull off his shirt in celebration of a goal will receive a yellow card, so the attacker just need to score a goal and pull off his shirt to pick the yellow card and no one will suspect it was all part of a deal he has with people.

I have not seen the option that a particular will receive a card in any sportsbook, it should be because I was not been looking for it.

I think that fraud appeared when money appeared or even earlier. The sport can never be completely protected from fraud.
Yes, I believe that some players can use such actions to make money, but the cost of a mistake is very high. If it is proven that a player is involved in such things, then most likely he will be suspended from participating in matches or banned from playing altogether for some time or forever. I don't think it's worth it.

Before F.A charges a player for match fixing related charges it means that one way or the other that particular player is guilty because you can't tell me that a player will continue making same mistakes of getting a yellow card unintentionally and before you see the football F.A charge a player means they have ran series of investigation about such situations and it keeps reoccurring, it is bad that corruption have now entered into football such that some players, coaches and referees are no longer disciplined to play according to the rules of the game.

Off cause it can be true if matches can be bought with money then what is foul that one can not commit just for someone to hit jackpot and they always have a deal after the match and everything worked out you will give me my own share and i think the reason why they find out or they accused him of this was because from his records in football such thing hasn't happened before just imagined Messi started biting in the pitch mean while he doesn't use to do it from his records definitely they are going to suspect him and figure out the reason why and anything two person did is not a secret.

Talking about the Lucas case, this news has become a hot topic of conversation in sports betting, many negative comments have been made by professional gamblers regarding Lucas' actions.

Case that happened to football player Lucas.

Indeed, the world of football is the biggest gambling arena in the world. I have read about cases like this, but it was done by the referee or the club to win the bet, but Lucas' actions, in my opinion, he was very brave to act, because he did it himself, this could really destroy his own career, if it is proven that he did all this to win gambling, this is clearly a serious violation for anyone who really acts ridiculously in the football/field arena.

Yes, alligatoin does exist in the world of sports, it has been around for a long time.

It is very surprising to find out that footballers who play in the most popular leagues do such lowly things like this. To be honest, I don't know what his motivation was, but I think he did the stupidest thing in his life. Lucas Paqueta will receive a lifetime ban from playing if found guilty, he is considered to have intentionally received a yellow card when the team he played for played against Leicester City, Aston Villa, Leeds United and Bournemouth. Paqueta's career is in danger of ending soon because the FA indictment documents include a recommendation for a life sentence for him.

Players fulfilling bettors request? This is new for me because typically players that involved in match fixing are those who made bet by themselves and not by collaborating with other bettors since he will not be caught if he is not using his own account.

Also the chance of players colluding with bettors is very low because it means that he is risking his career by sharing this sensitive information with bettors.

Match fixing is not new but typically it just involves players and inner circle management and not bettors outside the team that might exposed their plan.

some players just accept the request from the bettors because it is a fairly easy request, and think that they can get away with it. they are too careless by thinking that they can keep playing in the league and at the same time accept the request from the bettors, maybe they think they can get 2 incomes at once. they are too trivial to think that the big leagues do not have ears everywhere and good monitoring of the players who play in the league, what these players do is monitored and they cannot assume that they can get away with what they do. the big leagues have an image and they do not want it to be damaged because their players are involved in arrangements like this.

It's unfortunate because this is going to ruin the sport if more players start to get involved in such things, taking money to sell their souls and loyalty. I wonder how they can go this far in being unethical and not caring about all the love and support they get from their clubs and their fans and besides all this, they are paid pretty well, so I don't see any reason for why a player playing in such a big league on a global stage should do something like that for money.

It would be understandable if a player from a lower league and division does it because they might not be getting enough money and they want to make more money, but being at this level and still going this low only to get more money is something condemnable for sure.

It's possible that he might or not be guilty and I'm in no position to judge but there are possibilities for thigns and corruption like this to be going on in football, you know there is always the temptation to make some extra money and knowing that you are in control, and I've mostly heard of thigns like this going on in lower leagues, has anyone heard about fixed matches?, I've found myself buying some of those and it didn't work but some of my friends say that they are legitimate fixed matches, if so then it confirms that some players or clubs manipulate match results to make money.

Well, it can only be said like this: unless they get caught and punishment is being discharged to them and news is being released about the players involved in such activities, that's only when gamblers can be aware when placing a bet in a game that those players are involved in. If those players are not caught, cheating will just be happening under the noses of gamblers, and they will have a failed prediction even in situations where they are supposed to win their bet. 

We have heard recently with some of them do it, and they usually go with something more sneaky, like not the game result, but "x player will get yellow card" and they go get a yellow card as well, so it is not really that much impactful on the game result itself directly, but it is still shady and definitely illegal.

We have heard these, but at the same time we have heard the consequences, most of these people just lost their job, which is millions of euro in salary, so does it really worth it? What I would wonder is if a mob goes to a player and tell that player to get a yellow card, what would a player do? I mean if the alternative is breaking your legs, then I do not think that player could reject mobs request, how do people handle that?

I don't see any reason to blame this Paqueta case on mafia so long as he hasn't say that Mafia made him do something like that. It's laughable to even think about that. Sometimes people do things not just because they don't have money, it could be addiction to betting. Besides I haven't seen anyone who said I have gotten enough money and I don't need more money. Paqueta case could be gambling addiction. Someone as famous and rich as he is can't easily be threatened to do something that break the rules of the beautiful game. Just imagine someone telling you to break the rules of your profession and you kept quiet without reporting to the authorities. I don't believe that Paqueta broke the rules because of threat to life or his family. His is a gambler and an addicted one at that. If he is found guilty he should face the consequences. Let's not look for a way to justify what he did.

That is why there will always be many very corrupt ways of doing things in FIFA and this can be very damaging to the sport. I have seen deception and corruption in local, national and even international football matches, but it is still the same with the VAR. It was said that with the VAR everything was going to be different, but it is not. That is why with the VAR they now handle it with much more mystery. They only review the VAR when the central referee does not signal an infraction, but if he makes a mistake and does not signal it, there is no VAR, so in this case it is clear that we are still in the same situation as many years ago and it is a sad reality.

Punishment can never stop individuals from doing the same thing again, this is an act of corruption that will always exist even if the previous perpetrator has received a heavy sentence, for example, he will no longer be able to play for the rest of his life. Apart from football, this happens in other sports and many athletes have ended up having to stop their careers because they were proven to be involved in match-fixing, but once again in the years to come cases like this will appear again.
In the case of Lucas Paqueta, this is quite surprising because he plays in a big league, which means he receives a large salary and some say he is the player with the highest salary at West Ham so it is impossible that the money offered from match-fixing is small, but players like this if proven to be very detrimental to fair play in sports

Greed is the nature of humans who are never satisfied with their income and try to find any way to get money from any route. They cheat because they are not professional as players because they make private agreements with bettors who also want to cheat in order to make a profit. with the gambling he is betting on and this actually should not happen because it will make us not believe in accurate predictions because the winnings can be manipulated by bookies who want to cheat and also harm other players because other players play seriously and they can be affected by it.

I don't know what they think, even though if their already have a job with a big salary, they have to play cooperatively and professionally without having to be greedy to get profits due to cheating because that is the same as fooling low level gamblers who try to gamble by analyzing and being careful. but it turns out that the winnings were manipulated because it would be very painful if it was found out by gamblers who were trying to be honest and ended up distrusting gambling.

It could really be true but on his case, it depends on the investigation however this incident isn't a new thing to be honest. Some players desire of an easy money and this is the same thing as with fixed matches wherein there's an intent behind the team or player's performance. I'd say this is something bettors have no control of. Those players who are doing fixed matches are also aware of the consequences if ever they will got caught doing these actions and we've seen enough of this. If I were the player who will have a chance to do it as well, I won't. They are earning enough and it would be a big gamble to place your career on the line just for a quick money. There will never be an easy way to earn money without a ton of consequences so better act right. It was just recently that a player in NBA have suffered from it, which should be an enough warning. If you are one of the gamblers who rely on cheating just to win, then this industry is not for you.

Pro athletes like him with admission should still be given a lesson. 1.5 years is not that quite long but the team won't just do that or the organization that are patronizing that sport.

With admission or not, banning and voiding his contract is the best thing to do. It will serve him as a lesson that he's given a good opportunity and yet he had broken the trust of his club and fans.

And at the same time, this will also serve as a lesson in the future to avoid any involvement by a pro athlete to any type of gambling activities.

So good that they caught this guy. What he did was highly unethical and if true at least he should admit it. If it is proven without his admission, ban him from A leagues for his career. If he admits it give him a fine and a 1.5 year ban or something.

But if it can't be proven then I don't know. For something an individual does without other organization then it's hard to prove because there's no big movement behind such incidents. Good on the association for utilizing sources and acting quickly though. In many other countries this would have been burried. But the quick action gives faith in the fairness of a league.

As long as there is betting in a game, we cannot prevent it. Either betting has to be closed down completely or we will continue to see these situations. I think betting is an indispensable element for games, but in recent years, bookmakers have developed so many different types of bets that the games have lost their purpose.

Everybody knows that there is match fixing, especially in football, where players can collude with gamblers to change the course of a match. This is certainly not moral, but there is nothing fair about the world we live in. The best way to prevent this is to allow only side betting. Banning other types of betting could be the solution. Governments, football clubs and the financial police have a lot of work to do here.

It is cheating, plain and simple, and person into fair play in sport would appreciate that. Match fixing has been around for decades, if not centuries and is possible in any sport - it's not restricted to certain things like wrestling. It can be incredibly lucrative for the players who engage in it because they are able to control the outcome and abuse bookmakers for massive odds discrepancies. You'll find that many bookmakers will avoid offering bets on lower level leagues or in certain regions, because it can become a lot more prevalent when you don't have millions of people watching you on TV. Besides that, the top leagues already pay the best players obscene amounts and it's the lower league players who might be thinking they'll never make it higher that are most vulnerable.

I am not sure whether it is true or not but if it is true then I think the person who has been charged might have a valid reason but if there is something wrong decision then it is very bad not only for the charged person but also for the community.

If he must be charged for such intentional act why not keep betting aside and just flow football rules? How was it even proven that it was intentional act if not the FA organizers could only be serving that penalty as personal hatred to tag him unnecessarily.

Fixed matches are thought also practiced in footballs most especially English football leagues.

In my opinion, in all sports they should punish in an exemplary manner those who make mistakes like this and not only in crucial areas, also considering all the money that goes around and we poor bettors do nothing but lose money because we too, in our own way, contribute to making the sport great. sports with a lot of money so for the punishments I totally agree they should no longer participate in any sports championship forever simply for the fact of the trust of the fans it just sucks..

It's obvious that it's possible that the players are doing it, but of course they don't let others know about it or they have a different strategy to do it, the other players order someone else to bet for them because when they get caught they do that, there are sanctions and grounds that will be given to them, the worst is that they might be removed from the team and banned forever, because I am not familiar with the rules and regulations of a sports player but I have read news about this before issue is also why I had the idea that there is a penalty imposed once you are proven to be doing that.

It's possible.

Well, that's why they are punished severely if proven guilty. I don't think they should just fine whoever does this kind of feat because it will not be good for the sport.
Apply a punishment that will make a noise to all sports players that if they do the same, they will have to answer with the allegations and the penalty will either be long years of suspension or a ban in the sport itself and other sports that are connected to it.
That way, other players will not try to mimic what they did and they will be afraid to do so because it's their profession and money that will be on the line.
I think one UFC coach was also suspended because of doing this, worse he was betting for the opponent, not his fighters.

Not that these malpractices doesn't exist in the world of football games spanning from the officials down to players, so therefore, it doesn't freak me to see this happening in such a popular (prestigious) football league. The reason why most of us do get surprised hearing about this coming from a popular league is because more often than not we have thought that these things only get to happen within the lower leagues division because of the scanty attention those leagues enjoys.

 However, I won't hurry to conclude if this in particular is true until proven with evidence to show that it's actually true as accused but for now it's just as every other allegations in football against players which in some cases investigations findings has proven otherwise.

Within the realm of possibility if this happens to be the reality then a lot of things about football gambling will definitely go wrong with gamblers losing trust and faith about some occurrences that may take place in the sport henceforth, by contemplating if it wasn't intentionally  interfered  with or influenced just as it's common in boxing and wrestling.

A ban will be fair to save the sport from losing its uniqueness among other sports.

Well if this allegation is proven to be true, then we are now facing consequences of game fixing on the match.

The essence of sports betting has always been the competitiveness of a given sport where you watch players compete with each other against their skills, techniques, and other technicalities. If soccer players (or football players) are influenced by money to the point that they can control the outcome of their games, then this will absolutely defeat the purpose on why sports betting has been created in the first place.

Just like what I mentioned on my previous replies, the NBA has also banned Jontay Porter of the Toronto Raptors where he allegedly released confidential information that can give some bettors an unfair advantage over the players.¹

IN CONCLUSION:
Sports betting is fun and watching sports can be very entertaining. If you mix the two worlds together, then people could watch and at the same time bet on their favorite team.
But if the players themselves can control the outcome of the match by intentionally losing the game or doing some acts that are against the spirit of the sport, then the future of sports betting may be compromised as well.

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1 https://ktla.com/news/nba-bans-player-for-gambling-violations/

That is in high level as this guy has been playing in the Premier League which many of us sport fans consider as the pinnacle of European football,if these things happen in such high level performing leagues just imagine what happens in the lower leagues or countries where football is not that popular like Malta,Andorra,San Marino and I intentionally took as an example these countries where football is not that developed just to show that the games there often prove quite some surprise results and many thinks this is because of people collaborating together to win bets.The one that lose from such bets is the casino yet overall the casino wins as most people bets on the favorite.These type of stories are going on from a lot of years,it is just that now more and more people are starting to notice.

And this is where match fixing comes into play. I didn't know Lucas Paqueta, but from what I read, he's a reasonably known player for West Ham United; thus, he must be getting paid quite decently. How much money was he offered to be willing to accept such a risk? The risk is far greater than the reward. Now he's running the risk of getting disqualified for up to 10 years, and his reputation is tarnished, of course. This incident also raises the question: how often are such cases happening, and how many go unnoticed? 

Anything is possible and especially some of the footballer who can't abide to rules and regulation of their clubs can easily do that to have their fan favored, and one thing you must also know is that corruption is something that could be very hard to control, although it is hard to believe that this happened in the English league. To me local leagues are easily to be manipulated or being influenced by top rich people to bribe their players in favor of them with a life change rewards, this could be either groups of people teaming up to get a player's attention in order to pay them off on their bets.

Paqueta is making so much money, he doesn't need these type of things to make more, he is already rich. I still think that there is something else going on there, maybe something regarding mafia or something?

I mean I still do not completely understand how footballers are not threatened by mafia all the time, must be something that is a little bit easier to do for mobster because they can just say "get a red card this game or we will shoot you" and the player could feel scared and do it, even if they don't, and mafia does, then we could probably see the players do whatever mob says next time. Sure that's a big deal and cops would be all around, but you just send a croonie who will shut up, and mafia still goes on easily.

It is very possible that players can engage in such a collaborative agreement with some whale gamblers. The reason for such action is to get more money because they will definitely take a share of the money that will be won by the bettor.While this corrupt practice is being done by some players, which is usually unknown to the rest of the team, it cannot happen all the time, and when it becomes a repetitive practice, the player will definitely be replaced.Most of those players are paid handsomely, but I wonder why they will still engage in such practices. What kind of greedy attitude is that? If this becomes popular, then it's going to make other low class gamblers to doubt their prediction, even when they have made an accurate prediction. 

Absolutely.  Crooked sports games has been around as long as betting has been.  Depending on how much the players make is what I see as the likelihood of a game possibly being rigged.  In the higher leagues where players make a ton of money I think it's less likely because they don't want to ruin their careers.  But in the lower leagues some of these payouts are more than their annual salary.  It's worth it for them financially to cheat.  I don't bet on lower leagues because of that.

In football cricket we often hear about many such scams where gamblers make deals with various players and commit such scams. As in cricket a player is instructed to take a no ball at a crucial time or to drop a catch at a crucial time. Such offers result in those gamblers placing bets with all other gamblers and winning bets. Many times we have seen players banned for a certain amount of time in such actions. Not only in cricket but also in football there are cases where goalkeepers or strikers are asked to do such things in return for money and they do such things according to the gamblers. It's definitely a scam and players who do such things with their country and their team just for money are definitely a detriment to that team.

And most of us think that it's not worth it to take risk and put their careers on a possible upside down. Because in the end, if they get caught their legacy will be known as someone who sells a game for a penny when it's already their career to just play the sport they love and had been their main source of income.

All of them are compensated properly and I think that those athletes that accepts deals like this are just certain gamblers and know what is coming to them. Despite that, they can't stop themselves and still stick to the greed that has been offered to them. It's just sad that they will be ending their careers not with honor but with insults from their fans or the community that they are part of.

Nowadays, people want to make instant profits by manipulating things like this and this is no longer a common secret in football matches. In fact I also believe that wins and losses can also be regulated by the bookie if many people bet their money on their favorite club then will be given a surprise by the victory achieved by an ordinary club so that many people experience losses regarding this, in football I don't fully trust the results of domestic league matches but if it's a big match like the Champions League I trust it because the clubs that appear here will show their performance best without being affected by fraud.

Even clubs can manipulate, especially with players who make deals with other gamblers secretly so that they can also benefit from the proceeds of the fraud. This is the same as committing a violation and can endanger other players if they commit accidental violations. Every football game has to implement regulations regarding cheating such as this and given a penalty so that other players do not do the same thing just because they want to make a profit.

It's unfortunate to see such fixing in a top league. Though it has gotten rare, they are not being able to completely get rid of it.Spot fixing has always been a part of football. There are many cases where single or a few number of players did or didn't did anything for money. It's much easier and mostly unrecognizable so it's still popular in high level games. The problem comes when they try to use or move that money. The funds of players and their families in most of large teams are on watch.
Paqueta comes form Brazil so money is a great deal for him and it would be easier for him to receive and launder it in brazil. It's still accusation but I think the FA has clear evidence to start the investigation.

It is very likely to happen, because after all someone will look for loopholes to get a bigger profit, from so many matches and so many soccer players there will definitely be one of them who cheats like this just to benefit from for example like this case, namely cooperation in order to get a bet win, anything in this world does not rule out the possibility of cheating.

But in soccer in my opinion it is quite difficult to be able to manipulate it if you only work with only 1 player. like getting a yellow card, there need to be two or three people who can work together so that the plan becomes smoother, but in duo matches or smaller teams such as futsal or cricket or boxing it is very easy to manipulate in my opinion to make a match that is engineered.
Some suspicions of match-fixing must be very much but for smart players this kind of thing is very difficult to identify, especially if only a few people do engineering and show fair play even though there are some things that are deliberately made to deceive.

Wouldn't that count as match fixing? I don't think that it's even allowed and if the league where that player is from, they're definitely going to face sanctions, suspensions and maybe even a lifetime ban in the league, there might even be some case where you might face some jailtime but it's pretty rare especially if it's a collaboration of only two people. It's also going to be considered as an unsportsmanlike behavior because of how you only do that game for the money and not for the fun of it. You might be able to get away with it when you know that your collaborator isn't going to talk about it and at the same time makes the pattern less believable to make sure that no suspicion will arise but then again, it would be difficult for you to do it as it's really difficult to be careful with that illegal thing, might as well just do it fair and you will have no problem sleeping at night because your conscience is clean.

It seems like this can be done, especially if the football player has a wide network of friends or business. He can do something that can have a winning effect on the people around him to win. And that was a fraud he did. 

But it would be difficult to detect even by regulators because those who do it could make hidden meetings without anyone knowing. They can manage it well and can win some money. Meanwhile, people will not know what is going on and can only feel jealous of the victory achieved by a group of people.

We know that anything can happen, especially in the gambling or sports betting industry. If they have found a loophole that can be used to cheat, they will do it to take advantage of it for themselves. But we should not do the same thing because it clearly violates existing regulations.

Sincerely for my whole life I have thought it wasn't possible in football but this has just proven me very very wrong as this generations for footballers are more greedy than I thought. But what if this is a false alligation? Anyways let's not go deep to it.

I'm not too into football but I just love to watch them, this particular case has risen my curiosity to as so many questions that I doubt myself currently. So they now bet on each player to have a yellow card ? Or was the bet on the whole team of only him because I totally do not understand where the bet is station for a single play to get yellow card and it would favour some gamblers? Someone can come for my aid here!

I have heard of match fixing but not in this manner, it could be a whole team but I haven't heard of a single player.

If I imagine it happening in the top 5 European leagues then a few cartel would be benefiting more and making huge profits that will be used to sponsor some of the clubs. I'm beginning to think something new but I will keep it to my self in the main time.

That's match fixing and I don't think that those players have the need to be doing that kind of thing especially if they're getting paid hefty sums of money to just play, they can't afford to get investigated and suspended for potential match fixing scandal and then the amount of money involved when the scandal is unearthed would make it seem like the player would look pathetic, that's what happened to that one recent NBA player where he's betting on his games and he's in an indefinite suspension or something like that.

I agree.

In any sports that has a large money at stake can blind any athlete that will be offered a lot of money. But they need to ask themselves if that's going to be the determining factor of their career and if it will be worth it?

In any sense, it is not worth it at all.

Indeed, many athletes who stumble on gambling cases use their position to manipulate in every competition to win the gambler on the gamble made.

The Athlete will benefit from the manipulation and of course they know the risk is proportional to the benefits obtained and also more than their salary as athletes.

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Cases like this occur in several football athletes, such as in the recent case of West Ham United star,
Lucas Paqueta who is threatened with a 10-year ban from playing in the Premier League for being involved in gambling cases.

The English Football Association (FA) has found the Brazilian midfielder guilty of gambling,
and Paqueta was found to have deliberately received a yellow card to influence the betting market.

In response to the charges, Paqueta denied doing so and said he had the club's full support.
But if found guilty, then the 26-year-old could be threatened by his professional career.

[1] https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13141950/lucas-paqueta-west-ham-midfielder-charged-by-fa-for-alleged-breaches-of-betting-rules

What you're asking is blatant match fixing, and that is generally frowned upon in the sports community. Countless athletes with a future ahead of their lives lost their chances at making it big all because they want quick bucks.

As an athlete, while it's not illegal to place bets on your sport, you are generally disallowed to make bets on games that you or your team's going to be in, whether it's in favor or against them. It creates a sense of lack of integrity for one, and it further drives the fact that you may have done something behind the lines to be so confident about making bets like that, which in itself is already match fixing whether proven or not.

So yeah, they can't make bets, they can't help the bettors win their bets, nor are they even allowed to engage with these people while a game is slated for them. It's just that simple. If a gambler wanted his team to win the best he could do is provide support in one way or another, not ask the players for shit lol.

We can't deny the fact that such case like this happens all the time. The athlete has his own reasons why he's doing it, but bottomline of this is all the same, the money involved in such arrangement. If it is not significant enough, why would a player be tempted to do what he's not supposed to do, as it can possibly ruin his career and be punished for a lifetime? There are some bad repercussions of agreeing into this, hence, the athlete is ready for a lifetime ban if found guilty, but he would make sure he has a lot of money stashed after such punishment.

And I would say, this can happen in any sports. If money talks, then, the game will be rigged but fans can see it especially if they are very familiar with the athletes playing on the field.

unfortunately there will always be cases like these, although the number of cases like these will be smaller in big leagues due to the large salaries that players receive and the constant control that big league managers have done, but as in big leagues not all players are who receive high salaries capable of allowing the player to say no to these types of schemes, then we will see these types of cases, because players who are on small teams even though they are playing in the big league, their salary is not equal to of the player who is on the best team in the big league, this creates frustration in the player on the small team and leads him to enter into these illegal schemes, it will be difficult to hear that a player with great talent from a team like Manchester City for example has been involved in schemes like these

and the reason is because a player from a team like Manchester City, he receives a good salary, gets a lot of attention, wins titles, so he is not a frustrated player and is unlikely to fall into gambling addiction and will not join these illegal schemes. Greed is something that makes people blind. the guy risked losing his job (being kicked out of the team) because of this illegal betting scheme, and when he sits at home he starts complaining that he doesn't have a job and doesn't have money, and the sad part is that even if he won in these schemes, he doesn't would become a millionaire to the point of having enough money to pay his bills until he dies, which is why I can't understand how these players fall into these types of schemes.

Do i call this some fake news that has been escalated with the purpose of earning streams and views? Or do I believe it?

It's never happened in the history of premier League that most matches are being set to either win or lose... That'd mean obviously, that the whole passion that reflects in people's faces and minds would be for something that could easily be manipulated, even without their consent.
For the ones I'm sure of, all the games in the lower championships and divisions from different countries are fixed! How do y'all think the idea of coupon bet came about? It's basically about how good you can be in retracing certain events and making evaluations for a possible draw×.

Not only in soccer or football. But many of them happens, happened and might happen in any kind of sporting event. And they're going to be illegal because it is never been allowed by these organizations. It's a shame, a true shame if a big league has found someone actually do this. It's also a gamble to the person that will do it but are they willing to do that when they know the risk?

If I am an athlete, I let alone the gamblers do their thing and I will focus on my craft and contract because that's a real money that I don't have to gamble. The gambling involvement will really show what kind of person you are, someone who does this is certainly have his greediness to the next level and that's unacceptable. Because if an athlete does it on a professional league and tries to let the opponent win because of the odds or because of the bet, a fine won't be enough.

This has happened to the esports too with a pro player named 'Taiga'.
See his story:Damaging video of Taiga and alleged match-fixing surfaces

Shit happens everywhere but some of then  happens in some real coded ways that you can hardly imagine possible. I think some of these players do some things intentionally to please some godfathers and people they owe favors in order to settle them.  Also since they're prohibited from gambling, they may gamble with themselves for huge benefits from friend and colleagues. Just like money is laundered in the signing of any new player, they may also be involved in some unholy activities that they need to fulfill their own part of the bargain while on the pitch.

The main reason I believe this is that there are some fouls that would be committed on the pitch add you'll clearly see its irrational and pointless committing such fouls, so I think this might be their own gambling patterns.

Some of these allegations are true some are false but before we conclude let's wait for a proper investigation, they should look at the player's background and gambling history

Not really that shocking even if we do speak about football/Soccer, then there would really be no exemptions in speaking about match fixing or trying out to make those kind of behavior on which they would really be doing just for the sake on making up some winnings outside with those gamblers. If this one is proven out then we do know on what Lucas Paqueta would really be able to get on such violation on the sport.
If there would be those accusations but still ending up on still rumors then penalizing couldnt really be still applied but once this one proven out then we do know on whats next.
This isnt first the time that we are seeing these kind situations about these match fixing or whatever correlates to it. There's no smoke that cant really be hidden and once those accusations or rumors come out
then most likely this is really that tend to be proven out later on.

It's quite difficult to prove this kind of thing
Take a look at the moves that are being investigated:
https://www.espn.com.br/video/clipe/_/id/13696359

There's a lot of interpretation that you can take to mean that it was a normal play or that it was forced, it's a very difficult situation without having other evidence

And it's quite serious, especially given the player's fame, he plays in the Premier League and is a member of the Brazilian national team.
If it is proven, there has to be an exemplary punishment, even more so because nowadays there are many bookmakers who sponsor soccer, and they need everything to be done correctly

Is it really an allegation, has it yet been proven and how was it proven. If this was really an arrangement then how come it became public it was supposed to remain confidential between him and the gamblers because his career is simply at risk. There are players both in the top leagues which is committing even worst than what he did, we can't tell untill the truth comes out. If truly he is proven then he should face the  consequences, as a professional his supposed to fully understand the rules and abide by them.

WWE is not the original wrestling. It’s the entertainment wrestling which is not the sports but there’s an original wrestling sports which is very popular on other country especially on the olympics. Wrestling is a form of grappling which is being used by Russians on UFC especially Kabib.

Although, I understand you for considering WWE as the real wrestling because this show is very popular during my childhood which even I knew it as the sports wrestling. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling

Yes, it's not only possible, but also likely to be true. Sentences for players who collaborate with gamblers in order to manipulate a match's events should be harsh. The athlete who acts this way is a traitor of the sport he practices. It's like a doctor who swore an oath to save lives, but start acting in his profession to murder his patients to steal their organs in order to sell for extra profit. These people should be immediately suspended from their functions and forbidden to play further championships and official matches through national teams.

That is how society could show how shameful the acts of these professionals are, by putting them aside from every activities. Regards this case you mentioned, it's said this player can be suspended for a timeframe of 10 years. In my opinion the penalty applied is totally justified, and has to be useful as a warning for other players who are doing the same or thinking about doing the same.

Well yeah, that is extra money for them that is why they sometimes play such dirty tricks or their own good but yeah, is that how you are rich enough to pay a player to mess up on their team and let gamblers win? Money is money and I know there are a lot of them doing that like a hollywood star that sometimes it don't even look suspicious unless a referee is also part of the gameplan which sometimes make it more obvious.

Shit happens as long as we have different players from different backgrounds and different behaviors. This is why you should expected the unexpected, but what makes it a professional league is that at the end the player will be caught amd get banned.

Unlike a small league that it is a norm to them and their will be no penalty after they notice it, because it is allowed. Wonders shall never end and we will keep seeing such things but once in a while.

He might feel he is helping those gamblers unknown to him that he is playing with his career.

Just heard about this news where Lucas Paqueta got into trouble due to the arrangement he made for the gamblers to win if he was yellow carded, this is not strange but a little surprising for Premier League players because this league is really tight so I don't think players do that for their own interests.

I remember when Tonali was also punished for gambling but what I know is that he was playing gambling not committing an offense like Lucas Paqueta but still if it is caught then it will be punished for breaking the rules.

Remember that people have a temper even if they have a decent job, so when an organization pays behind if the player wants maybe he can do it.

I think even fifa should look into this and a rule should be created for players who does any of such, if they ever found wanting probably after investigation, such player should be fined or penalized accordingly and thst way others who has got such intentions will eventually learn and probably get to desist from it because it's actually going to affect the team because if every players Start putting up performance that will get these gamblers to win their bets and probably get to pay this players for such then the corrupt nature of football will definitely be such that people may begin to loose interest in the business of football and gambling.

It may have worked with other sports such as boxing and wrestling because they are a single man game buy with football it's collective and not an individual game so the effect will always get to be born by the whole team which is definitely not going to be something the team is going to be actually okay with neither will the management or the fans of the team.

I don't know Lucas paqueta's heart so at best, I can only speculate. Even though Paqueta has refuted the claim by the English FA, I'm of the opinion that he did do it. I have watched a couple of west ham games these season and some of his tackles are very questionable due to how intentional they look like when the foul is committed. What's worrying in all of this is the fact that in the last 3 years, we're getting more and more incidents like this ajd if they're not properly punished, others will follow suit and the beloved game will be destroyed.

This isn't a big deal neither is it new. Most players have been suspended tol for gambling and associating with casinos. Not only players, referees, officials and also shareholders are involved. Nothing will change, my concern is who are the "two or more persons he helped", what relationship do they have, who let the news breakout?

It's laughable, he might be fined and still free. Gambling is manipulative, so is it not only in football any sport event at all. Underground deals goes on.

This is very serious if it is true and it is sad for soccer games too because it will make the sport less attractive if it is now being planned beforehand. I read the news as well but I never took it seriously, but this time that match-fixing allegation is getting more popular, I believe that one should not take something like this lightly anymore. Although people may believe this or not, regardless, before a key player like that had to be sanctioned means the investigation would have gotten to some concluding end, that's bad. This is why I made a similar remark in my last post that is related to match-fixing that no one is to be trusted.

This is so unfortunate to be sincere.

Although gambling addiction is different from cheating the system, there are few cases of players whose gambling addiction contributed to their involvement in match-fixing. Sandro Tonali agent Beppe Riso declared that his client is having a gambling illness. He received a ten-month ban for placing a bet on his team, Newcastle. Ivan Toney, who was banned for eight months for match-fixing, also acknowledged his gambling addiction struggles since he was fifteen. In Lucas Paqueta's case, I think he thought he would never be caught since the bet was placed in his hometown, Paqueta Island, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. He never knew that it would be tracked and flagged by the International Betting Integrity Association (IBIA), and reported to FIFA.

This is just a simple illustration on working under assumption because there is no base on which the fact about the player action could be established, they may thought about the reason for his action whereas that is not the actual condition of what led to the action he made, we cannot fully predict on the real situation except that we heard it from the player himself, and i dot think what they receives as player is that small compared to the action they may acted leading to such penalty.

As long as there's money, anything is possible.

Someone can do something shameful in order to get paid, someone can sell their soul in order to receive more money, while Lucas Paqueta isn't a popular player, he's not Mbappe, Haaland, Ronaldo, Messi etc where a many projects want to collaborate and don't mind to pay billion Dollars.

Lucas Paqueta will repeat this kind mistake in the future since people can't change.

Not only players, referees and officials, many also work together with casinos and gamblers to make the game run according to orders. However, usually things like this happen in smaller leagues, where the regulations are not as strict as in popular leagues such as the Premier, Serie A, etc. That's why I was also a little surprised when a Premier League player was involved in a case like this, especially since he didn't just do it in 1 match, but in 4 matches, and that threatened him with a 10 year ban. It is very unfortunate how such a young player could be involved in a soccer gambling case and have his career threatened to end very early even though he should be able to make much more money considering his pretty good performance in the premier league.

The world is already corrupt, though ive not heard of such attempts or cheating before when it comes to soccer, but I've always taught if it was possible for a player to just cheat the whole system and have others gamble while he makes their bet come through. It's the first one in soccer and I guess it was actually planned out properly. Wonder how he got caught though it would be so obvious if he was caught on camera at the point where he intentionally made a fowl. It's soccer and anything can be possible, if he's able to prove all that was a lie then good for him but if he was actually caught then it's wrong as other players might just adopt his idea and turn soccer into something else.

It's very possible to happen and it might be true but reasonable evidence is suppose to be provided to prove him guilty. This is not the first we are hearing issues like this of professional players compromising the game for the sake of betting. What is strange to me here is collaborating with gamblers just to make a peanut from gambling. It's not wise at all to make this kind of deal with anyone considering how people publicize everything on media this days. Accepting to receive a yellow card for someone to make money is even sounding unreasonable to my head because it's not a good record for a player. I support whatever punishment he deserves because if things like this should continue, our favorite sports will become ruin and no longer interesting to watch.


I have heard about this WWE sport being scripted with a film trick actions but I don't know the rationale behind it. During our childhood, it was among my favorite sports that I watch on television with so much interest. I felt embarrassed and disappointed when I discovered that it was a script and I regret wasting my time watching it. I find it hard to believe even after I watched some scenes that proved it to be a script sports because I don't understand why people will pay to watch a scripted fight live. Are they not aware that they are watching film show instead of reality? God knows I can not pay money to watch a scripted fight even if I have the means to. It's totally a waste of time and resources.

I have always known that it’s possible for fixed match to happen in small teams but I the thought of it happening in this type of league has never crossed my mind due to what the players would be risking if they were to be found guilty of doing such a thing.


I don’t think addiction has anything to do in this situation - I think they are rules that prevents athletes from betting in games that they are involved with directly or indirectly (since there are possibilities of them influencing the game to favour them) so I don’t think the player in question was the one that profited from his action, I believe what he did was to make a deal with someone and promised to take the yellow card for some whatever they might have settled for.

Well I won't be so surprised about this but I could feel bad about it because it will lead to distrust in football games and betting if it becomes obvious since it is possible to happen. The reason I said I won't be surprised is that footballers are people's friends, brothers and family members so they can easily be influenced to do an act that will favour the betting option of those related to them whom they know their betting option on them. So like we have seen, it is quite easy to commit a fowl and be penalized on it whilst the betting option to that effect will become successful. It is even possible that the player will have a percentage of the betting winning or even ask a friend to bet on their behalf, thereby giving them huge money to do that, I think this is the corruption in football and it is gradually being infiltrated into the game. If this does not stop, the genuity of the game will be a forgone thing and the game will lose its taste.

It's actually quite unfortunate how most of these player behave even while they are retained in a good reputable football club. Though they might not necessarily have agreement with a gambling company before they make their own decisions which will in turn affect their football career forever. I believe they make these decisions out of greed, they must have secretly staked a bet on themselves to play otherwise and based on the fact that the odds are doing to be high when they play against their usual abilities they might as well make a good stake to get more profit. But unknown to them that FIFA is quite sensitive with little informations and investigation most of them often get caught. Just like Ivan Toney's case who also bet on himself but latter got caught. They will all face either ban or fined by FIFA and that will also reduce their market value as most club wouldn't want to accept a selfish footballer into their team.

They can collaborate and break the rule of law from being a professional and that also takes away their professional title.

There are a lot of athletes that have done this in the past for the sake of little money that they're going to earn from that bet. But in return, their career is going to be ruined with that simple bet and commission that they might earn from the obvious fouls and actions they do on the particular match where their bettors have a bet.

It's not worth it if there will be some pro athletes that are thinking of doing this. Some might have been unnoticed but it won't go forever for them and the time will come that the obvious will be found out.

I don't think it is just greed I also perceive an element of addiction in it because just for fun and for the possibility that they can do it, some gamblers may attempt trying to influence games in their own favor while betting huge amounts of money on it. I am not surprised that these players do not learn because even in this forum, people still continue to plagiarize, and use AI even when they know the consequences, I see it as an overconfidence that they can do something against the rules and not be caught. As a player, you may be under investigation without you knowing.

It is common to see these corrupt practices in low-class leagues in some parts of the world. But for a player who earns £130,000 per week to engage in this match-fixing, it is clearly associated with greed. He has denied the allegations and promised to fight it with all he has. This news is a product of nine months of investigation, and I doubt if there is an atom of truth in it.

Players will always deny such allegations until they are shown clear evidence and that is when they will tender some heartfelt apology. Lucas Paqueta has put his career at high risk if he is involved in such a shameful action. His move to Manchester City has been halted due to this news, and he might suffer a long-term ban. Players who engaged in the same yellow card betting scandal, such as Kynan Isaac and Bradley Wood, got six and twelve-year bans, respectively.

The EPL being one of the major league in the world doesn't mean there would be no corrupt players or officials since last season and this several players have been found guilty of breaching football regulations by involving themselves in gambling or helping their families and friends to win the bookings for instance Tonali of Newcastle and Ivan Toney of Brentford who were charged by the FA.

 I think Tonali's case was a breach in betting and was suspended by the FA while Ivan toney was accused of illegal betting and faced the penalty as well, therefore if Pacqueta is quilty as charged he'll face the penalty as well. Other players are supposed to learn from this and avoid any act that could ruin their career if they're not contented with the pay, they should work hard enough to deserve an increment in their wages and not involving themselves in acts against FA rules.

These were common things.

Any small league can be fixed. That's why, while you want to bet and avoid match-fixing is to betting on the big league don't bet on the small league. Usually, the match-fixing is from
- Getting payed by someone/organization.
- Payback from the player to some important person in the league/club because putting him in the club.

That's why, I really avoid small league.

In the professional scene theres lot of pro players make a gambling with their games is most of those are in breach to their contracts because there's a possibility that they will throw the game, have an intention to make a move just to satisfy their wager, I've seen this a lot in e-sports betting tons of player gets sanctions, banned and other penalties base on observation of the people and the management itself so they get caught easily. Players might not focus with the game instead their goal to win their bets. Its like they are just playing and commit those actions reason just to win their wages.

Well, that proves that there is match fixing happening in sports, and it is inevitable. Some people take advantage of the fact that there are players or inside personnel that could give gamblers some information that will benefit them.
That's why I am careful with when and where I bet because I know that there are fixed matches, or sometimes people are giving information to other gamblers in order for them to have commission and earnings.
That's why we should be more careful and be aware of the matches we will bet if yoh find it too suspicious then be more cautious in order not to be taken advantage and lose moneh from unjustice losing in gambling, the player should be punished in what he do, they are not fair and should be ban from playing, that's what I hate the most, cheating and manipulating the result of the match for their own benefit.

In NBA there are player/s who've been caught cheating, like recently - Jontay Porter.


https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/jontay-porter-banned-from-nba-for-gambling-related-violations

So I guess in any league or sports, there is not 1% that some players are going to collude or bet on the game itself as they can influence the outcome.

It's true, that match-fixing is a big problem in some sports, and soccer hasn't been immune.

Let’s wait for the results of a thorough investigation before jumping to conclusions. If this is true, it's a major blow to the integrity of the sport. Fans want to see genuine competition, not games decided by bets. It would indeed be a grave concern for the future of football. The essence of sports lies in fair competition and the pursuit of excellence, and any form of manipulation for personal gain undermines these principles.

Read again see clearly said very rare he didn't say impossible and why insert that huge ass picture, do you think you're making some point or something? Pay more attention to what people say rather than rush for your quota!



And yet this doesn't stop bookies from taking bets on the "winner" and gamblers throwing money at it.
I've never understood why in some countries it is legal to bet on predetermined things like WWE , or dumber things like an artist releasing a song this year or the end of a tv show season.
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/05/18/game-of-thrones-odds/

It’s called match fixing and it’s highly illegal. It happens though, there have been some very public revelations recently in the PL.

Imagine if it’s happening in a top 5 European League, how bad is it in less wealthy leagues where the players are earning less.

Lucas paqueta is not just an average player that's playing for one of the unpopular leagues on the globe, the dude is a renounde midfielder that's playing for west Ham so your statement is not right that this can't happen in bigger or more popular leagues.

On his part, he doesn't show an act of sportsmanship for stopping too low to doing that kind of thing and even if he is able to win in this case, it's going to affect his carrier as officiating referee would be to observant of him whenever he is involved in any match. Wether his intentions is to help the gambling community we can't really tell but whatever is his intentions for going this extreme is very bad and such kind of act deserves a strict disciplinary measures against him

"Jontay Porter receives lifetime ban from NBA for violating gambling rules" - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5493370

Biggest Sports Betting Scandals - https://www.gosubetting.com/blog/betting-guides/biggest-sports-betting-scandals/

We can find many more articles about cooperation between gamblers and players. One thing is for sure, the big names reach the newspapers and usually from the strong world leagues, but there are many more in the lower leagues, which are not followed by everyone and which slip under the radar.

So it's not a question of whether they can cooperate or not. The question is how much it really happens in all sporting events, can we even make any assumptions about it? For example, does this happen in 10-20% of all games worldwide? Maybe more or less?

For problems like this, I myself believe in it and indeed there is lot of manipulation or cheating that is deliberately carried out for money or other purposes such as betting, but for some sports in big competitions we can be sure that this happens very rarely.
On average, these are small competitions or competitions that are not very popular because in these competitions the prize money for the winners is not too big, so some parties take advantage of this condition to be able to regulate the course of the game with the aim of making it easier to win the bet.
I sure that almost all types of sports have experienced problems like that, but there is not much that can be published or known by the organizers.

This is also the reason why I always bet in every big, important championship or competition because unexpected things such as manipulation and cheating for certain purposes are also very rare.

In the next topic (Do you believe in match fixing?) there was a discussion about match fixing (it was necessary to arrange a vote) and the majority of users declare their belief in match fixing and this problem certainly exists in sports.

If Lucas Paqueta’s involvement in this is proven, then he should certainly be punished, preferably suspended from games for some time as a warning to other athletes so that there are no match-fixings. Impunity gives rise to vice and punishment only with a fine will be a very light punishment and will have practically no proper preventive effect on repetition. Without such control, otherwise sport will turn from competition into a theater of the absurd. Sports must preserve the purity of competition.

Do not forget that football players are ordinary people who are subject to greed and all human vices. Thinking of players as responsible people who are passionate about doing everything for the team is very naive in this day and age. Everyone has a price; some have more, some have less. Everyone is bought, and everyone is sold. Don't be as fascinated by the sport as it was supposed to be. And even though football players have huge salaries by human standards, you can see some of them in very poor quality, selling or betraying the game.

just curious, which wrestling are you talking about? If you are talking about WWE, that "sport" is scripted and the results of the "matches" there are predetermined unless something unexpected happens.

yes, there is even a possibility that one or some of those bettors are betting for him. also, there is another thread recently created about match-fixing where I posted that an NBA athlete got a lifetime ban because of betting and trying to fix his team's matches.

I am surprised to see that this happened in a very popular League. And I wonder what could be the motivation for him as a player like what is in it for him. Usually this kind of things happens in less popular leagues like the local leagues. I think you should be a ban so as to serve as a warning to other players. Also players who do this are the ones who cannot become world best and win awards in the game because they are carried away by betting which offers little value in comparison to their future at the sport if they give it their best.

There are thousands of football players in the world, we should know that some of them will be corrupt to do something to make money. This should not surprise anyone and there are some other players that will do the same thing. If this can be seen in English top leagues, you can see how it can be common on other leagues, especially the lower leagues. In one way or the other, there would be manipulations.

Lucas paqueta just got charged by the FA for allegedly bridging betting rules. According to report, it's believed that he intentionally took yellow cards in some key matches just so some gamblers can profit from there betting.

I know wrestling and boxing are the popular sports where fixed matches is dominant but has this gotten to football we're players can intentionally foul an opponents just to be penalized with a yellow card? If this is true,  what's now the faith of proper sports? If players can't take out there personal interest out of sports and just do thier part which gives gamblers a neutral ground to thread on, then we've got a lot of problems in the sector.

What's your view on this, is it possible that such alligatoin might be true?