Can This Super-fast Camera be Used to Crack the Bitcoin Code?

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Quote from: odolvlobo on October 07, 2015, 12:23:51 PM

Quote from: notbatman on October 07, 2015, 09:34:08 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 07, 2015, 04:29:05 AM

no offense but that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ive ever heard.
Copernican Revolution goes back 500 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_Revolution
unless you believe the earth DOESNT revolve around the sun, the sun has to be much much more massive than the earth based on the laws of gravity. That's just common sense.

The Earth is flat, the Moon and Sun orbit above.
EDIT:
We're drifting way off topic here.

I impressed by the number of people you trolled here.

I'm easily trolled. I believe this guy really believes the earth is flat.

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Holy fuck, these scientitians have just BROKEN BITCOIN!

ETA: nevermind, I was too hasty.

It's not a camera.

But.... omg I hope they don't figure out how to attach a camera. Then Bitcoin is DOOMED.

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Quote from: odolvlobo on October 07, 2015, 12:23:51 PM

Quote from: notbatman on October 07, 2015, 09:34:08 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 07, 2015, 04:29:05 AM

no offense but that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ive ever heard.
Copernican Revolution goes back 500 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_Revolution
unless you believe the earth DOESNT revolve around the sun, the sun has to be much much more massive than the earth based on the laws of gravity. That's just common sense.

The Earth is flat, the Moon and Sun orbit above.
EDIT:
We're drifting way off topic here.

I impressed by the number of people you trolled here.

Nobody's touched my on-topic post yet! A camera that can see around corners (spin-off technology from this super fast camera) is a security concern not just for Bitcoin private keys but has widespread implications.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 07, 2015, 10:38:28 AM

You can pay Richard Branson some bitcoins and go to space, and see for yourself the earth is round.

No need, I can prove the Earth is flat with a telephoto lens.

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Quote from: notbatman on October 07, 2015, 09:34:08 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 07, 2015, 04:29:05 AM

no offense but that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ive ever heard.
Copernican Revolution goes back 500 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_Revolution
unless you believe the earth DOESNT revolve around the sun, the sun has to be much much more massive than the earth based on the laws of gravity. That's just common sense.

The Earth is flat, the Moon and Sun orbit above.
EDIT:
We're drifting way off topic here.

I impressed by the number of people you have trolled here.

jonald_fyookball

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You can pay Richard Branson some bitcoins and go to space, and see for yourself the earth is round.

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Quote from: notbatman on October 07, 2015, 09:34:08 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 07, 2015, 04:29:05 AM

no offense but that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ive ever heard.

Copernican Revolution goes back 500 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_Revolution

unless you believe the earth DOESNT revolve around the sun, the sun has to be much much more massive than the earth based on the laws of gravity. That's just common sense.

The Earth is flat, the Moon and Sun orbit above.

EDIT:

We're drifting way off topic here.

However, there are only a few groups that have any real, live access to whatever information comes from the spacecraft and satellites that go up there. All the physics that we have has to do with math and experimentation done on earth... except for the stuff that is privy to the actual groups that send up the satellites, etc.

Since all the physics experiments done on earth have only been done HERE, how do we know that we are NOT missing some great group of factors that change things once we get thousands of miles above the earth? Only the groups that control the telemetry of and the readings from the spacecraft would know. And who knows if they are truthful or complete in their telling of what they know?

In other words, things might be extremely different - even the physics - once we get way out there.

Just a thought.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 07, 2015, 04:29:05 AM

no offense but that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ive ever heard.

Copernican Revolution goes back 500 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_Revolution

unless you believe the earth DOESNT revolve around the sun, the sun has to be much much more massive than the earth based on the laws of gravity. That's just common sense.

The Earth is flat, the Moon and Sun orbit above.

EDIT:

We're drifting way off topic here.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on October 07, 2015, 01:22:47 AM

You have to remember every job, needs a different tool. The camera you mentioned has a processor developed for only one function and that is to process those light images to digital images. The processors created for mining, called ASIC's are 100% developed to solve the complex mathematical calculations for Bitcoin mining and are much better for that job.

So you will have the wrong tool for the job, when you use that processor.

The ASIC(s) would be required to crunch the numbers. A GPU (or maybe another ASIC) would be required to direct the ASIC(s) according to the camera and laser activity. The software, of course, isn't written, yet.

Suppose you had a linear group of characters that was continually changing as it was checked by the ASIC:

Code:

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Now imagine that at the same time this group was being checked, there was another group off each character in this group. The top row in the box, below is the same as the above box.

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The example is for visual purposes. It is not accurate regarding the exact way the programming would work, nor the exact characters that would be in any plane. The example simply depicts a type of programming would be needed to instantly check a whole plane of possibilities, each group branching off each character in the original linear group.

Depending how many depths one would want to go, there could be a planes off each downward linear group above. We would also have the horizontal linears of all the planes involved. Such could be extended as many levels as desired, making several ASICs work together at once using the trick the camera exploited.

I know this is a crude explanation. And I don't have the knowledge for expressing it any better. But the result would be that rather than checking the first batch of 81 characters in the first box above, all of the sets would be able to be checked at once, those in the second box, and any subsequent boxes/levels that the programmers wanted to add off the second box, etc.

The result would be that a present miner could "re-route" his dozens of ASICs, and crack the present encryption in relatively short order as it now stands. Of course, the encryption would be made more difficult to compensate, but there might be a point where complication would become impractical because of the increased size of the numbers of characters being manipulated to keep the blockchain safe.

Then, imagine what it would be like if the system were used in quantum computers.

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no offense but that is the dumbest conspiracy theory ive ever heard.

Copernican Revolution goes back 500 years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copernican_Revolution

unless you believe the earth DOESNT revolve around the sun, the sun has to be much much more massive than the earth based on the laws of gravity. That's just common sense.

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Quote from: Betwrong on October 07, 2015, 02:54:31 AM

Quote from: notbatman on October 07, 2015, 12:53:15 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 06, 2015, 09:03:23 PM

Quote from: notbatman on October 06, 2015, 12:30:26 PM

they re-enforce that the idea that the Sun is a massive object when it's only 32 miles across

The sun is only 32 miles across?

Ehhhhh NO.

More like 80,000 miles across.

Using a sextant I can prove that the Sun is in fact only 32 miles across.

What proof do you have that the Sun is 80k miles across?

A scientist who in 1899 claimed the diameter of the Sun is only 32 miles said this:

"The sun is only 32 miles across and not more than 3,000 miles from Earth"

And I don't blame him because it was long before all the space missions which proved that at the distance 3,000 miles from Earth there is no Sun.

And after measuring with a sextant he said:

"'The sun is always somewhere between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, a distance admitted to be less than 3,000 miles"

Which is also not true according to data provided by NASA.

But I can see your point (I am saying this without irony), NASA is maybe lying, right?

I don't think NASA is lying but that is just my opinion, I may be wrong.

Well it's up to you what you prefer to believe. The reading a sextant gives or 3rd party information from an agency formed after WW2 from operation paperclip where they imported all the Nazis and gave them high paying jobs and positions of power within the US gov.

Political propaganda/psyop or reading the numbers off a gauge, the choice is yours.

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Quote from: notbatman on October 07, 2015, 12:53:15 AM

Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 06, 2015, 09:03:23 PM

Quote from: notbatman on October 06, 2015, 12:30:26 PM

they re-enforce that the idea that the Sun is a massive object when it's only 32 miles across

The sun is only 32 miles across?

Ehhhhh NO.

More like 80,000 miles across.

Using a sextant I can prove that the Sun is in fact only 32 miles across.

What proof do you have that the Sun is 80k miles across?

A scientist who in 1899 claimed the diameter of the Sun is only 32 miles said this:

"The sun is only 32 miles across and not more than 3,000 miles from Earth"

And I don't blame him because it was long before all the space missions which proved that at the distance 3,000 miles from Earth there is no Sun.

And after measuring with a sextant he said:

"'The sun is always somewhere between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn, a distance admitted to be less than 3,000 miles"

Which is also not true according to data provided by NASA.

But I can see your point (I am saying this without irony), NASA is maybe lying, right?

I don't think NASA is lying but that is just my opinion, I may be wrong.

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You have to remember every job, needs a different tool. The camera you mentioned has a processor developed for only one function and that is to process those light images to digital images. The processors created for mining, called ASIC's are 100% developed to solve the complex mathematical calculations for Bitcoin mining and are much better for that job.

So you will have the wrong tool for the job, when you use that processor.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on October 06, 2015, 09:03:23 PM

Quote from: notbatman on October 06, 2015, 12:30:26 PM

they re-enforce that the idea that the Sun is a massive object when it's only 32 miles across

The sun is only 32 miles across?

Ehhhhh NO.

More like 80,000 miles across.

Using a sextant I can prove that the Sun is in fact only 32 miles across.

What proof do you have that the Sun is 80k miles across?

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Quote from: Quickseller on October 06, 2015, 11:52:45 PM

The camera would most likely need some kind of ASIC (Application Specific integrated-circuit) to process that many frames every second.

Ok, I recommend that you read the article to see how it is actually done. Nobody is processing a trillion frames per second. The camera is not even recording a trillion frames per second.

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It’s impossible to directly record light so the camera takes millions of scans to recreate each image.

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The camera would most likely need some kind of ASIC (Application Specific integrated-circuit) to process that many frames every second. But instead of calculating SHA-256 hashes the ASIC associated/attached to that camera will need to process whatever video format the camera is taking video with (eg .mp4, ect.).

The ASIC associated with that camera can be equated to a miner with a mining capacity of 1 TH/s, which is really not all that impressive. Although power consumption is not mentioned in the YouTube video, I do not doubt that the camera (and the ASIC to process all the frames) is going to eat up a lot of power, probably more then 500 watts per hour which would make it less efficient then the 2nd newest generation of Bitcoin miners out there

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Quote from: BADecker on October 06, 2015, 09:08:33 AM

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http://miguelmoreno.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/fYFBsqp.jpg

No.. just no.

You are simply in denial. Nobody is talking about breaking any of the laws of nature, the universe, or physics. The idea of a camera that could be made to photograph light waves was an impossibility a decade ago. Now we have it. Why can't we trick nature into breaking the Bitcoin code in a similar way?

Because you won't have enough photons of light to perform your trick? You need at least one photon for each possible solution. There are plenty of photons in the universe, but you'd be hard pressed to find even a fraction of 2^256 photons on earth within your life span.

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I doubt a cluster of those camera's processors could even crack bitcoin's code.

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Quote from: notbatman on October 06, 2015, 12:30:26 PM

they re-enforce that the idea that the Sun is a massive object when it's only 32 miles across

The sun is only 32 miles across?

Ehhhhh NO.

More like 80,000 miles across.

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Quote from: notbatman on October 06, 2015, 12:30:26 PM

Two problems I have with that image, they imply the Sun is a sphere with their Dyson's Sphere power source when it's actually a concave disk, they re-enforce that the idea that the Sun is a massive object when it's only 32 miles across and their Bitcoin symbol is an upside-down cross. However, the point they make about the virtual impossibility of cracking Bitcoin is all good. I just don't like the agenda they seem to be pushing/re-enforcing subliminally.

This response is such a perfect match to the intellectual level of the OP, I'm in awe.

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