Topic: Can we trust user that spread false and dangerous news on COVID19? (Read 965 times)

Wouldn't work. "They" would put out actors and/or random dead bodies and would fake the whole thing.

Conspiratards can deny anything.

Yeah....
So drinking 1l liter of hot water (let's assume coffee serving temperature) will increase the temperature of a human body with a mass of 75 kilos by?
You realize that as soon as you try to heat yourself over the normal temperature your body will do everything possible to cool off by sweating, right?


SARS-CoV-2 is not the same as the influenza virus so of course, it will not protect you, just as HPV will not protect you from HIV (look...they have two letters in common!!!!!). And antibiotics are not designed to fight viruses...


Probably you haven't seen a nuke in all your life, so there are no nuclear weapons and you shouldn't be afraid of them.
Have you seen somebody that died from the bubonic plague? It's all a hoax!!!

We should really start lining all the dead bodies in the town square and let everyone take a sample and watch through a microscope (brought from home, lol) to see the viruses by themselves.

The use of leeches and the bleeding of patient are two completely different concepts as I am sure you are aware.

As I pointed out, it is obviously not possible to transfer a physical virus over the telephone, but it seems that the mass of radio frequency waves in the atmosphere seem to disrupt the immune system.

Drinking hot water is not a cure, but it increases body temperature, and that helps the immune system to kill off the viruses.

It seems that the only people who are dying from the virus are those with compromised immune systems, and the stats are being suppressed about this. If you watch the video interviews with supposedly healthy survivors of a severe virus infection, they all aseem to say they were up to date with their 'flu shots ( there must be a reason for calling them shots), they took Tylenol and antibiotics, and to my mind, that explains why they didn't recover as quickly as health conscious people.

There has to be a reason for the US being the unhealthiest of all the developed nations, despite spending the most on so-called health care.

What annoys me most is hearing the number of death that has occur because of covid 19 pandemic. In my country (Nigeria) they haven't shown us people that have contacted it or die from it. But each day they keep giving us update about the figures of contacted patients and the money they needed to combat it. It's very pathetic and tiring hearing the broadcast on television

I don't really know why most people derived joy or happiness hurting other people. Conscience is not regarded. I will suggest that those topics or threads they have created should be taken off the forum in other not to endanger more lives to panic over them. This fake news alone do cause death when it supposed not to be so.

I don't think we should really trust them, however I hope you can still help them understand why you find it false and dangerous. You've said its dangerous, so you should make them understand why it is not really true so others won't believe it too. Give them facts, research and valid arguments. I think you can also feel it if the account was a troll or just a person who always believes such things. So always choose to reply to those posts that you believe are just not well informed. Somehow connected to what @welsh said:


This is what I hate about some humans too. Their views and opinions are always dependent on a certain person they idolized. We've always seen this through fanatics of a certain politician. They will always believe what the politician say, even if it is really on the wrong side. It feels like those fanatics already forget what it really feels to have their own opinion.

This is also why "influencers" in the internet should be careful in spreading news too, because they have millions of subscribers who would've believe everything that they will say.

Naaa I don't think so. Your reply is a confirmation of your "unusual/unproven" theories.
I can't believe you're serious speaking with such claims.
Probably are you trying to be funny/trolling   but we are talking about a disease and this is not funny after all...

Where is this paper? Can you post here please? Are you sure that they made this claim or it's like your interpretation?
(FLU and Covid19 are completely two different disease/infection. I don't want annoy other readers with such explanations and we are a bit off topic...)

Well I can confirm this is not definitely a cure, I hope that you have realized that COVID19 is also at pulmonary level.... other tissues ... I can't continue same reasoning see before. (Let's suppose this was the miracle cure, how did you use hot waters for kidneys or brain tissue?)

So are you comparing leech therapy with anticoagulant therapies   are you serious? really?



Correlations doesn't imply causations... and there is no way 5G can be used to share a VIRUS!!!

this is an interesting discussion..  I think the information spread (about COVID-19) has begun to go astray.  every day (not just in this forum) the latest news about COVID-19 always appears which is probably the result of the writer's own mind and not based on scientific research.  people who can't filter out the right news will only think the same as the false news writer, to be honest this is dangerous.  I think we should prevent this by giving a warning so the members here don't create a "false thread" about COVID-19..

the bold type is the most likely one to be true. (I could give it at least a possible chance)

Frankly I find it hard to believe this many countries are cooperating in shut down's. World wide oil is just not being used very much at all.

You've distorted that a bit.

One of the factors leading to severity from the CV infection was reported in the Lancet, and it is recent 'flu vaccination.
The body of evidence from sources other than Big Pharma reports seems to suggest that the damaging side effects from Tylenol are permanent, and it has little benefit.
The hot water logic stems from the fact that viruses die at slightly elevated temperatures, and this is why the body generates fevers - they are part of the natural recovery mechanism.
Infecting someone with an extra disease when the body is fighting an existing one, doesn't seem to be a very intelligent plan to me.
A couple of centuries ago bleeding was the recommended practice for curing many ailments. We don't seem to have moved on from that when we insist on blood thinning via drugs. Maybe they think that social distancing in the blood stream will slow down the virus.
5G seems to be affecting people living in close proximity to the masts. It is not scientific calculations with lots of integration signs, it is just simple observation.

Hmm, let's check this:

• 5g affects the respiratory tract
• black people are inferior from a virus ressitance point of view but this racist truth is suppressed
• the gubbermint want to prevent people from sunbathing
• the gubbermint is planning on selling solar pills
• stopping vaccinations would stop the death rate
• drinking hot water is better tahn vaccination
• the virus is just a diversion so they reset the debt of their economies
• tylenol is to blame for it

Not bad, not bad, you're quite the challenger for the people OP mentioned.

Those are all speculation as they don't have strong evidence to their claim and those people who spread the news can't be considered as trusted not only if they can provide a solid evidence. All the decision will always depend to the reader whether he/she will believe to the news or not.

Every country has the freedom to express their thoughts especially that all the country are experiencing to this virus therefore it is only normal that the affected countries will try to figured out whom to blame to this pandemic and rumors or invalidated information will surely to rise.

Its all just discussions about COVID and what they have found out in some theories on youtube. Those people who spread false info about it doesn't realize its false meaning they belive its true. Just as how media announced it to the public. The bigger problem is the media and youtube videos that tell different things about it but there is the freedom to do it.  Covid is dangerous and I guess that's the bottom line they can all agree.

When you say people are spreading false information and you are asking if you are to trust them. Trust for what? And if you trust them, then you join them. Anyone who is not sure of any new should be careful of careless dissemination. Moreso, you are entitled to COVID news yourself. Though even some direct news are doctored, like the number of death cases are usually not accurate but you have to speak on quote not as if you were there always.

well numbers are so fucking all over the place that once again conspiracy nuts have a field day.

You need to look beyond all the numbers and ask who loses the most money on this?

In fact even though Norway Russia USA and Venezuela lose a ton of money on oil (key)

their losses are very small compared to opec countries like Saudi Arabia.

So why is the world locking down people and thus not needing or buying oil?

Well it really hurts Saudi Arabia in the pocket big time.


So even though other oil countries take a hit Saudi Arabia is getting hit really hard in the pocket.

So why do countries with not a lot of cover-19 problems agree to do this?

This is the real question.


reporting is so far apart that conspiracy people will not give this a rest.

Japan cannot legally enforce hard lockdowns... and their population has already implemented some measures to avoid the spreading of disease.
I don't want waste time explaining you such things here because it's totally off topic.
Make your own research.


I am waiting a reply about your claim about 5g and respiratory disease
Meanwhile, since you like funny off topic argumentation you can make a search about another big issue! WATER!
(Did you think your stomach is stronger than iron?)
https://youtu.be/rDWa4A6NO74

Can you trust me?


Source

In Japan, they don't even have a lock-down. Hello!?

Wait what, I have blood too in my body, am i gonna die?

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Every time I discover new awesome theories should we start mass bloodletting sessions or wait the approval of Dr Trump

100% of people who die have blood in their bodies. Therefore having blood increases the risk of death. There seems to have been a similar consideration with HIV, and the same logic seems to be applied to the current Corona virus.

yep this is why new york state with 19 million people has the worst death rate.

not italy.

the numbers i am using are deaths per million people.

so new york state is 21000 deaths/ 19 million

that is 1143 per million. no one is worse per million.


italy is 441 dead per million or around 26000 dead.

this is not the infected amount of people it is the dead amount per million. of all  italy’s population. i think 60-63 million.

the point is that the worst rate listed per million is new york state.

and i simply used  the worst rate ( new york state ) and projected it to the entire world.

the to get the numbers in my post.

I know the issue for conspiracy theory is why are all the countries agreeing to shut the world down.

who gets fucked the most?

my theory won’t  be revealed here but it has nothing to do with flat earth 🌍 or 5g or aliens 👽.

A small note.

No tests = no virus.
New York has 8.4 million people.

According to https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/ only 890k tests have been done.

Be aware test ≠ people tested, a man can be tested even 4 times to see if he is still positive.


I'm in Italy where the death % is over 13% but this number is not the real one since reliable organizations are saying that we have milions of people infected with the virus but they are symptomless.
If every people will be tested our death% will be probably 2-3% like other countries.

A better situation on the % of death will be discovered in May here in Italy and later probably around the world, they are starting 4 milions of tests on the blood of people to see if they/we have the antibodies and if we have passed the Covid19.

Keep also in mind some countries (AFAIK) don't count on the death count people who died with a heart attack with the COVID19 as a COVID19 death, here in Italy they count everyone with the Virus on the body as COVID-19 Death.


TLDR, the % of death found on paper is not the real one since they test only people with symptoms even multiple times, the real % of death is way lower cause a lot of people are symptomless and not tested.

Yeah aluminum in vaccines acts like a antenna and 5g fucks you up. 

Well we have a shit ton more iron in us ie our red blood cells. so if 5g fucked you it would be due to your red blood cells and vaccines would do jack shit.

Since the amount of  aluminum in your body due to anything at all would be 100x less then the  iron in your body.

Iron makes a good antenna it is not used due to rusting and weight.  Although stainless steel car antennas work well and have a lot of iron .

   I know enough about radio theory to know if 5g or 10g or 3g or 69g were to hurt humans it would be due to the iron in red blood cells not the aluminum in vaccines.   BTW I never heard of aluminum in vaccines but even if there is aluminum in your body the danger to radio waves would be due to iron in us as it is the biggest metal by % in our blood. Also you need to be close enough to the source of the 5g and the 5g would need to project a lot of energy to hurt you.

My only concern is 2015 death rate was 57 million. we are on pace for 58.7 million the year.  I would not have thought all the world would shut everything down for the current visible death rates.

Real problem is that some people really believe everything that they read, for example this: 5G that spread the virus <-- haha, if we follow that logic, then 3G carries Ebola virus and 4G - swine flu.
Question - "Can we trust users that spread false news" isn't correct because in this case you sound like everything what scientists say is 100% fair and they can't and won't lie. Every opinion is acceptable if it's backed by strong arguments, otherwise - not. Bullshits aren't welcome.
Btw You have always to double check everything, even what your "reputable" news source says.

I am pretty much a skeptic.

The most interesting thing missed everywhere is this


The highest death rate is in New York    

no place is worse.

Lets play with this

1135/1000000 = 0.1135% death rate

or 99.8865% are surviving it.

New York gov Andrew Coumo claims


14% is a factor of 7

7 x 0.1135 = .7945 %.      All the numbers are said to be way to high.  but those are the worst numbers anywhere.

0.007945 x 8,000,000,000 = 63,560,000.  that is the maximum world wide possible death amount  and about 635,600,000 may need to go to a hospital.


in 2015 around 57 million died world wide so this disease at its worse may boost deaths. so that the world has a negative growth of humans.

I feel the conspiracy people do not understand why the world's nations are doing a massive lock down when the numbers I have up

63 million are the worst possible.  and the actual pace we are on for all deaths is not reflecting that the covid-19 is going to kill 1 million no less 63 million.

I think nations acting together to lockdown the world's economy has frightened them more then the coved-19


My wife was in hospital with 2x pneumonia in Jan. I was really sick in Jan.  5 of my wife's cousin's have tested positive for covid-19
One was on a ventilator he is off it and getting better.
3 more were in hospital.
1 was not.

We are in NJ, NY, CT tristate which is hit harder than Italy or Spain.  So I know it is a difficult disease.

But conspiracy nuts will have their way with this for years to come unless covid-19 2x comes along making this look like nothing.



Note using worldometer numbers we are on pace for 58.7 million dead of all causes.

Maybe 500,000 to 1,000,000 tops will die from this covid-19

The world's nations are actually cooperating on something so conspiracy theorists are going to be out there.

Definitely, I think we can't trust people who post such trash. However, what do you do? Ban them or red paint and tag their accounts? Of course, you can't do that. It's a free speech era. Except we are looking at this from the "No Freedom of Speech" angle of dictatorship. I think theymos runs a democracy here 🙄

Argumentum ad ignorantiam.

There is not, and will likely never be, peer reviewed studies of sufficient power to prove 5G does not impact the immune system for the same reason there is not peer reviewed studies of sufficient power proving that humans can't fly, or to use the classical analogy, proving that there is not a china teapot in orbit between the Earth and Mars. If you want to make ridiculous assertions that 5G affects the immune system, or that doctors are trying to microchip the population, or that humans can fly, then the burden of is on you to substantiate that claim, not on anybody else to negate it. You can't just go around throwing out ridiculous conspiracy theories with nothing to back them up and expect sensible people to waste their time debunking each and every one of them, until they get bored of your nonsense and you declare something ridiculous to be true simply because it hasn't been refuted.

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

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And herein lies the issue with responding to these trolls in P&S. Sensible and educated people like bitbollo can spend endless hours reading journals and articles, reviewing evidence, presenting logical arguments substantiated by facts and evidence, and the conspiracy theorists will ignore it and just throw out some new nonsensical unsubstantiated claim. It truly is a game of pigeon chess.

I would again suggest simply ignoring them. Let them spout their nonsense in their own threads, and created a self moderated thread for when you want to actually discuss a subject properly.

I Guess that you have done your smart research if you come here in a META thread trying to instill doubts about dangerous theories to the whole community.
Or are you just trolling with such claim? [just as e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9]

Why doctors and researchers should waist their time making USELESS RESEARCH just because some troll/illiterate need to see debunked that "pie can't fly"?

We all are aware about the current situation with the help of genuine sources like some major and notable news platforms which is reasonable and trustable so I think those people who are continuously sharing these kind of posts here in this forum should understand this point and must stop doing this.

Where they are getting these information ? Do you think they purposely make such information and spread on the forum ?  NO

The mainstream media is flooded with all such news and if you search the internet you will find every kind of news correct or incorrect. These news will keep on spreading until the correct cause and treatment of covid-19 is determined.

Let's suppose the intent was as you claim.

That does not mean essentially that 5g does not have a negative impact upon the immune system.
Or reduces the efficiency of your respiratory system?

Where are the peer reviewed statistically powerful studies that prove no significant impact upon the immune system?
I mean we all know how things that are purported to be safe are later discovered  to be dangerous.

Without proof it is hard to claim this is false or certainly deliberately false

China seems to be forcing 5g on countries in the west.  They freak out and start claiming they will punish those that dont adopt 5g and use their hardware.

I don't see any of those claims conclusively debunked at this time
Point me to the studies and I will have a other look.

Created in china, Canada USA? These are under investigation at the highest levels according to MSM and direct from potus

As I said. Conclusively debunk to call lying or false information. Strong counter argument supported then you can certainly cast high levels of doubt over their claims.

There are no long term studies of 5g and humans. Short term there could be a certain as yet unknown effect from 5g that is negative in this current mess for covid.

I believe the risk is low and probability is low but I would not consider saying it is impossible or a lie or that a compelling case may be ou there for a negative impact of 5g on immunity or respiratory system directly or indirectly  

Long term studies may yet reveal some major issues with 5g and health.

Or maybe you are correct. Still, Better to let people express their views until you can conclusively debunk what they are claiming.

First rule about people on the internet.. dont trust people on the internet.
Listen then go off and research yourself.

@Jet Cash
Can you share please a peer reviewed article/paper about this information?  
I made a search on Pubmed and I was unable to find anything.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=5g+wireless+respiratory (0 results! it seems that there isn't anything also in predatory journal.....   )


No there isn't anything like this. If it would "effective" was already approved as a treatment.
There are some papers that suggested that could be helpful in children (Prevention of Respiratory infection in children Jun/2017) like this one below, but these aren't "evidences"

https://www.who.int/elena/titles/commentary/vitamind_pneumonia_children/en/

Ehm... I don't know where you take these information and why are you posting here.
But please, I don't think it's the best practice post in this thread these statements........

EDIT:
About SARS-COVID2 "Strains"
You can check by yourself  https://nextstrain.org/ncov?c=country&p=grid&r=location
"Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus"

The things that the disease have thrown up - economic chaos, government control, misinformation, vaccines, paranoia about the origin blah blah - fit perfectly into the mind set of many a Bitcoin fan.

I'm not surprised it's given many people a boner and they've rubbed it until some goo dribbled out of the end in public.

It doesn't make them untrustworthy elsewhere. It fits the remit I expected of many of them and would've been very surprised had they not acted that way. Doesn't not make them assholes though.

My perception is that these new virus mutations ( aren't there now 8 variants?) are natural developments that have been seized on by various factions to promote their globalist ideals.Take the 5G issue for example. There seems to be some evidence that it could cause damage to the upper respiratory tract. If this is true, then it could amplify the damage caused by the virus. Of course you can;t spread the virus through a telephone connection. Black people are more vulnerable - this is a great topic for accusations of racism, so the truth is suppressed. The truth would appear to be that vitamin D is effective in recovering from a virus infection. Vitamin D is created by the body as a result of exposure to sunlight, and people with dark skins need more exposure. There is no profit in sunbathing, so the government initiative is to try to force people ti stay indoors, and to purchase damaging drugs. If they really wanted to cut down on deaths from the virus, they would ban smoking and vaping, and stop all vaccinations, and they could encourage people to drink hot water.

The bottom line is that "they" need to reset toxic debt laden economies, and to replace valueless fiat currencies. The virus is a fortunate ( for them ) black swan event, and they are not going to let it go to waste. This is so much false news, and manipulated statistics that it is almost impossible to determine the truth.  There is very little information about comorbidities and immune system deficiencies that the statistics are useless for trying to decide on a health regime. I saw one interview with a pair of young health workers who took 5 weeks to recover from an infection. They expressed surprise that it had taken so long, as they were up to date with their 'flu jabs, and they were taking Tylenol - I can't be the only one who sees the correlation.

BURN THE NON-BELIEVERS!

There's a massive issue with a lot of non scientists turning science into a belief system everywhere (when they don't really understand a lot of the fundamentals)..

I have to say, we are a discussion forum and we shouldn't be taking what other people say all that seriously unless that's the intention, sometimes people are just here to vent and as long as users can work out the fact from fiction and actively report stuff that's fiction to the community (by replying) then users can decide if what they read is fact or fiction.

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We probably also need to distinguish those that include facts and those who don't. I assume my face mask thread for example doesn't come under the providing inaccurate information: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53971557

Do I need to start adding disclaimers to my posts to say they're where you should start research from, not look at and decide based on my own conclusions... My philosophical and scientific methodologies are to present the facts and loosely state a flexible conclusion so you can come to your own.

Well, that's just it. When you have a top-ranked moron saying shit like that you can't really blame ordinary dimwits parroting it.

Hmm should we add injection of disinfectants and the usage of UV light as coronavirus treatment in the list maybe. This is gonna be a gas to see someone defending this, that's embarrassing 

None of these things are true. These conspiracy theories are being pushed by people who are trying to harm Western countries.

5G technology is part of a technological arms race between the US and China and people in the West are being told that 5G towers should be destroyed.

You don’t need to use critical thinking to say any of these things are false.

Have you conclusively debunked any of these on their threads?

I have no idea if any of those things are true or false?

Surely if you have the information at hand to debunk these conclusively then all you need do is present it.
If you clearly debunk a persons claims as false and they continue to claim they are true or Visa versa then that would qualify as trolling.

I would not essentially trust those that make such claims in genuine ignorance ( if they are wrong)less in financial dealings.
No more than those that do not conduct their own research on things this important
Anyone just accepting an opinion they read on a forum before guzzling down bleach or burning a 5g mast is probably equally or even more high risk.

Conclusively debunk their statements on thread and if they continue presenting their debunked garbage as fact they are trolling.

Rumors have weights and can have real life disastrous consequences, I would say these fake news publishers are more lethal to the community than anything else in this current time and hence an instant ban on any serious fake news be implemented on anyone spreading panic about this virus. Already so many conspiracies!

Even if it's presented as a fact and even if the user knowingly posts false information... it's a lie at most, which is not something that red trust or moderators can fix (or should fix).

Having said that, I tried reporting some of the repetitive conspiracy threads and some of the off topic BS that certain users post all over the place. Sometimes this works. So if you really care you can get rid of some of this garbage. If someone posts about bleach in a thread about unemployment, or keeps posting new miracle cure threads you can make the case that it's spam. But if they just start a unique cockamamie thread and don't break any rules - there's nothing you can do. Flag Earth thread ran for 5 years and only ended when the OP got bored.


If you noticed something after ignoring it... you're not ignoring it properly



Edit: I can't grammar.

Wait!
Is not "opinion" share a dangerous treatment (for COVID19 or other health issue) based on
E.G. Drink bleach it helps from COVID19 or
You should threat a cancer with cooking salt

Thanks for your suggestions, but I have noticed that when ignoring these users (useful) threads derailed quickly up to Microchips ...

These arguments are not shared only in P&S threads but also in local boards.
Not only trolls share these kind of informations

BTW Thanks anyway for discussion and suggestions provided by all of you again.

In Psychology we call this tendency "Authority bias". Pretty scary what authority figures (individuals or groups) can do and/or accomplish just because people perceive them as authority. As the saying goes "with great power comes great responsibility", unless you're a politician or the mainstream media, then you can do whatever you want with that power, but I digress...

No one's gonna give those users a neg tag (difference in opinions doesn't merit a neg tag), their posts are not going to be deleted (they're not breaking any rules AFAIK), and mods/admins will not prohibit discussing/posting such things like conspiracy theories or like you say "crappy arguments" in this forum because, as @Welsh said, censorship is a no go.

Now, can't you just put those users on your ignore list? Hear me out...It seems like this actually upsets you and it's understandable, you live in italy and we all know what's going on over there, but for your own mental health, just ignore those users, yeah? Seriously, the outbreak, the news, lockdowns, all of this is too stressful, but do you really want to add more stuff into that pile of negativity? Do you want to see your mental distress and anxiety increasing? I'll say it once more, ignore those users and avoid anything that makes you upset or anxious such as those posts in the P&S board, and try to engage in something more positive, do it for your own mental and physical health. Stay safe!

No, it's not the same. I wouldn't hesitate to red-trust someone who attempts to sell some miracle treatment for covid-19 because that'd be quite obviously a scam. There are some ICOs and other bullshit attempts to make money from this crisis so those are fair game for red trust I think. However just posting stupid stuff shouldn't invoke red trust.

Think about this way - most likely such users are trolls (a bunch of those wackos in P&S have been posting nonsense for a long time before covid-19) and trolls thrive on attention. Red trust is not going to stop them from posting, quite the opposite probably.

The problem with fake news does not only exist in this forum.  It exists everywhere where you talk to people or read about it. Everybody has the right to be wrong. But it is then our duty to point them out. Surely the "fanatics" will not be convinced any more. But those who are only marginally interested in conspiracy theories can still be convinced with facts.

These are not "politically" opinions, I mean, if you say "a pie in the sky" at least you should have a minimum of evidence.

My country (Italy) has been really devastated by these events.
Sharing these crappy argumentations will not give any help, but create only FUD since not all people are able to detect a fake information from a real one.
Plus other users can't talk about serious matters since there is everywhere "fried air" and not thought or fact related this pandemic events.

Bear in mind, I never talk about censorship, but freedom doesn't mean "I am free to harm someone".
Why we give negative trust for Ponzi or fake casino?
Yeah, it's pretty clear, we are all aware that there is not that can give these economic gains.

Is not the same when someone is posting fake information and/or dangerous treatment about COVID19?

I would respond to the OPs inquiry with a question....

Would it be safe to follow advice or deal with someone who is spreading the misinformation?

If someone is saying you should drink bleach to protect yourself, this advice is dangerous and this person should not be trusted. This is not unlike someone advising to post your private keys on the internet- you are going to have your money stolen from you.

If someone is saying that coronavirus is caused by 5G, they are just stupid but probably harmless.

If someone is spreading the lie that coronavirus originated in the US, they are intentionally lying to you in order to cover their own incompetence, if not worse. This is akin to a business accepting deposits, going insolvent and telling its customers that some other business owes their customers their coin.

Welcome to Politics & Society board . As I remember, some users been posting such stuff there long time before pandemy. Some users just love to make conspiracy theories about everything - 5G, vaccines, masons, flat earth and etc. They even use reference for their statements, usually it's random unknown blog or some Youtube videos.
I'm not sure what can be done with these users. Theymos values freedom of speech, so censorship probably isn't an option. Maybe using facts and some common sense could be an option to counter their nonsense.

I missed this one  Apparently people in the sites i visit has a little bit more brain cells than expected (~0) to not mention this in their discussion... My bad!
Seriously Microchips? to follow them or to control their empty head?
@The Pharmacist, you already know this tho but it is very hard sometimes to convince some people how stupid and silly the ideas they have... It reminds me of this sad joke: I spent hours explaining to my neighbour the importance of social distancing and once I finished, he kissed me twice and said i understand you now

It is difficult to stop people from spreading hoax because I do not want to call some of the information false. However, anyone that spread fake news to promote a ponzi scheme should be refuted. This is not the time and there will never be allowed time that such will be accommodated on BTT. It is sad that the world is going through this at this moment and it is absolutely crazy to spread fake news

This isn't exclusive to the forum, and this applies to some "well known" news sources as well, yet people will, and do trust whatever they read from a source which is perceived at an authority figure. I hate to say it, and I hate that this is true, but if a newbie spread false information about anything you'd be far more inclined to question it, but if it was a user like theymos as an example, you'd be far more likely to believe it without further investigation. Although, this is a bad thing as theymos, and any other authority figure within any community can be just as wrong as anybody else, but its the way most humans work. For example, notoriously shit news sources like the daily mail & s*n are terrible in almost every single way, yet there are people out there that trust these sources.

Its the same here. Some people will trust what people say, and some won't. We aren't going to start censoring people for having their own views, and opinions about something. Can you trust them? Probably not, although even if it was from a perceived trustworthy user of the forum, just because you trust them with exchanging money does not mean you can trust their opinions, and views.

The great thing about lack of censorship is you can call them out for their bullshit without any issues from a moderation point of view, and trust point of view.

Then add a warning by replying to such posts.

To answer your question - no, we should not trust users who spread this nonsense. But we shouldn't use red trust for it (being stupid is not necessarily a risk in a trade). Perhaps a neutral rating with a clear and concise rebuttal of their nonsense would help, however a direct reply wherever possible is the best option IMO. And yes, they'll probably drown your reply with further nonsense but if anybody is prone to believing it to begin with then they would still believe that stuff even if the user gets red-trusted or banned or whatever.

Hi The Pharmacist,
I prepared and providing to some of these users "long explanation" (like 3 or more pages) where I debunked each sentence of crappy youtube posted, spending on this activity some hours during my free time.
For What?
I received as reply "You can't change my idea"... or "You (group of people ) will not win ( )"

Or, just as example, if you claim without evidence/proof that "COVID19 has pieces of HIV " how I can discuss since it's like speaking about "fried air"?

About free-speech, yes it's ok for me, isn't a problem at all since I don't like censorship.
But if some one use this as an excuse and providing DANGEROUS information  
it's the same situation we have with Ponzi.
They are free to speech but we give a clear WARNING to all USERS.



I don't want accuse anyone in public this is not my interest and I Want just try to understand what is the better solution to handle these situations since also these kind of stuff can harm other people.
If you (or other one) want specifically information just send a MP or check my previous post history since as I replied here I have already spent several hours debunking these fake/dangerous informations

You're a great guy - but who are "they" that you speak of?  I'm not going to go looking for them - this is your thread, please give examples of who on DT1 (or any other rank) "they" are.

If you see anyone promulgating unscienfic "facts" like your example:


...I would suggest taking a few moments and rebutting their claims with facts (if you have them) or at least asking them to provide references which back up their claims.  Who knows what the motivation is behind spreading misinformation--part of it could be reliance on rumor; misunderstandings; and outright maliciousness.  In the end it doesn't matter why someone is spreading false information, but when you see it you ought to challenge it lest others see it, think it's true, and spread it even further.

Free speech is well-tolerated on bitcointalk, by the way.  That basically means that mods aren't going to be quick to delete posts by conspiracy theorists or others who spew mis- an dis-information.

There are some people that share also these (bleach) remedy https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/dont-drink-bleach-to-prevent-coronavirus-poison-control-center-warns but maybe these are so obvious and mosts will no try.  

But, I have seen user sharing here on forum an experimental treatment (actually used only in re-animation and not for cure COVID19 or prophylactic usage) with a commercial drug, like the "solution" for COVID19.

I am scared to see these information posted as "real information" since this specific product is "easy" to find at pharmacy and you can have also in your pharmaceutical cabinet...
If someone use this medicine without medical assistance it's going to die in a couple of hours... likewise drinking bleach.
Sharing these information about medicine (without a disclaimer/warning) it can seriously harm some one since I guess not all people have the same information related health treatment.

I can live with conspiracy theories, some of them can even bring a good laugh from time to time. But any post suggesting people to commit suicide/physically harm themselves should be deleted ASAP, and I'd even consider a temp-ban on such accounts. Fuck freedom of speech if you are trying to get people killed with it.

Needless to say, never trust such a person

Good discussion mate, I also encountered users who have crazy views about COVID19. There is no source of what they said, it's a pure conspiracy theory on their own. But there's nothing we can do since we have different views about COVID19 and all of us have a freedom to speak as long it is not off-topic. Once it is off-topic we can simply report to the moderator using the magic button " Report to Moderator" and let them handle those posts.

If they make the worst statement with regards to COVID19 false statement (or malicious scam link) that you don't like, probably that is the time you will include them to your ignored list.

Anyway, in our place. Those people who spread fake news in social media about COVID19 will put in jail. Probably it is also good if there is punishment for those users.

Thank you all for your contribution, very much appreciated.

In the case of COVID19 (we leave out the other strange theories...) I am concerned to see that harmful informations are shared by "high level accounts" without a warning (high risk to get a physical damage)  or DT1 red trust.
EG: "drinking bleach helps you cure COVID" or "xxx treatment guarantees healing".
These informations can harm someone as it can happen by promoting a bitcoin-doubler or a ponzi site.

Science is evidence based is not just an opinion and no one should spread unproven remedies.
I noticed a constant increase of this information in the various "serious" topics as if these people are taking "courage" or maybe since they are unemployed have more time to spend in this hobby.

I have no idea if they are trolls or simply "conspiracy" but they can harm people that read these kind of stuff this is why I opened this topic and ask my question: "Can we Trust these people?"

Just have a look at the first couple of pages of Politics and Society. Plenty of examples there.

But as I (and others) said above, there is a distinction between someone who genuinely believes this stuff (which is fine) and those who are trying to cause trouble/scam (which isn't).
Most of these arguably fall into the former group. Personally I am happy to debate with people who I think have crazy views, although at times it can be frustrating - probably for them as well as for me.

Who might "they" be that are spreading misinformation on this forum?  Examples to back up your assertions would be appreciated too.

There are a lot of people on this forum with a variety of utterly insane views on a variety of topics, everything from believing the Earth is flat to believing that drinking bleach will cure COVID-19. Having a proportion of conspiracy nuts and pseudoscience believers is the price you pay for having a forum which espouses free speech, and we shouldn't be seeking to censor or remove them in any way.

The trust system should not be used because of differences in opinion, even when the other person's opinion (as in these cases) is completely moronic. It should be used for things that make trading with that person high risk. There might be other reasons why these users would be high risk to trade with, but not understanding science doesn't automatically mean that person is more likely to default on a loan or scam you in a trade.

It is certainly the case that a lot of false information is spread about the virus on here. However, the question of intent is important. We need to distinguish between trolls and people who genuinely believe this stuff. For example some people do really believe that 5G masts cause (or may cause) the virus. This may be unsubstantiated, it may fly in the face of evidence and science, but still, some people believe it. Doesn't mean that we shouldn't trust them, just that we should be wary of accepting their claims. But then this is true no matter who is making a claim and on whatever subject. Truth is determined through data, evidence, and reproducible experimental results.

Blatant trolling and spreading of misinformation in order to create fear, panic etc is a different matter and these people should not be trusted. Sometimes it is easy to identify these people, sometimes not.

There's nothing you can do about it mate in the current world scenario, If we look at it from an angle of freedom of opinions or expression. Well you may try to distrust everyone who brings up a conspiracy theory or false news they believe in and you may get tired of it in the end.

It's like people who believe that the Earth is flat or people who think that there's supposed to be more than 2 genders. You just leave them to their stupid beliefs, ignore them and move on. Sooner or later they won't have the attention they are trying to seek.

However, if someone brings up something that may lead to people getting scammed or losing money like asking for fake COVID19 donations, Fake COVID19 websites and coins then hell yeah, you can distrust, flag and paint them red.

If you want to discuss trustworthiness of other users, Reputation is the most appropriate board in my opinion.
To the question, if someone is spreading falsehood on a very salient issue, whether ignorantly or deliberately, I would be less inclined to trust such person.Also if someone is being illogical and obstinate in an argument, I would hardly regard the person's opinion going forward. This does not imply whether they may not not be honest in a trade, but it's a red flag (figuratively speaking) in my opinion.

Now many people spread the word about COVID-19 Hoax not responsible.

You can trust about the COVID-19 virus through the government in the country where you live and also from the world's official government that officially treats COVID-19.
You should not easily believe about VOVID-19 to the unofficial and misleading.

For official information from around the world you can see here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/, this might help you.

this is generally a difficult topic.
there are always people who believe things that 99,99% (of people who think differently) are wrong.
also conspiracy theories are always in the beginning when it comes to important issues.

this has not only something to do with the current virus but is a general topic.
in any case it has nothing to do with bitcointalk itself and therefore the meta section is probably not the right place for this conversation.

Unfortunately, it’s not just happening on this forum it’s happening everywhere- all social media is having to put up with this nonsense ! It won’t change and next year it will be some other topic that people feel the need to post uninformed and click bait stupidities.
As far as trust goes , personally I wouldn’t trust them per se, but wether they are trustworthy people I can’t offer an opinion. I assume most of these threads and/or post are mainly used by members to increase post count, merit seeking sensationalism and/or provoking a pointless argument .
Hopefully the vast majority of members will see it for what it is and ignore it - I know it is difficult as these threads/posts are everywhere!
Be safe and hold your head up high 

I have noticed that there are some people who continuously and arbitrarily disseminate false information about COVID19 here on Forum.

Like posting a Ponzi/Bitcoin Doubler, I think that they can harms other people, since these discussions are about health... and not just "opinions" like "Pepsi is better Then Coke".
Plus they haven't any basic culture on these argumentation and are just copy/pasting theories without a minimum criteria.

I'm talking about the worst of the worst,  posted on forum without any evidence/logic ... just a few examples....
-COVID19 has pieces of HIV
-5G that spread the virus
-which was created in the USA and then released in China
-ops now has been created in china and then spread to USA
-World Health Organization wants to kidnap people
-"THEY" are going to put the Microchips
-follow "non-scientific/unofficial" health suggestion made by fake doctors
a long long list of crappy arguments....

I wonder, can we trust these people who continually spread false and dangerous news by rejecting any logical explanation?

What do you think?