Canada’s Orwellian new law proposal to jail for hate speech

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Quote from: Ludmilla_rose1995 on May 08, 2024, 08:47:08 AM

as is currently being implemented by my country's government regarding punishment for hate speech)

Out of curiosity , which country is this? I regularly discuss topics with people from the EU and it seems this is the direction most states are going with Ireland being the most recent as far as I remember with their law to protect " people with protected status or characteristics".

Sounds okay and fair unless most of those "protected" are politicans from the opinions of their citizens of course.

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Quote from: OgNasty on May 09, 2024, 12:24:40 PM

Quote from: Hispo on May 08, 2024, 07:11:42 PM

This kind of reminds me some videos I have seen from China, about how people dare to criticize the ruling of the Chinese Communist Party on the internet. It does not take much time before those people do talk negatively or share negative memes about the government of China get a visit of authorities to their front door and end up getting arrested for whatever stupid law the CCP decided to push to further control their population.
The people from.Canada need to beware and follow the developments of these kind of laws which may be used in the future to imprison people over their thoughts and free speech, the big next step I am afraid it could be taken in Canada under the leadership of Trudeau could involve the setting of some nationwide surveillance system like that implemented in China as support for the social credit system there.

Gladly this is less likely to happen in countries like the United States and Latin America, for different reasons.

It seems to me from the outside looking in, that Canada is planned to be the release valve for the European immigrant overflow population. I believe Canada's land and resources are being earmarked for immigrants and their locals will be priced out of their homes and forced to relocate. It's sad because I don't think there's anything the people of Canada can do about it at this point. They seem like trapped animals being harvested for whatever they have to give. I can't say this enough. If you live in Canada, GTFO and be mad at yourself that you didn't do it as soon as it was clear Trudeau doesn't have the best interests of Canadians in mind.

Though, I believe you are being too pessimistic on the future of Canada. There is still a chance the current prime minister to be replaced with a different leader who may have the interest of the Canadian people in mind. Besides, not all the people in Canada with your same mindset on politics have the same economical position as you do, moving to a different country is not cheap, and it can be even more difficult if one does not want to leave one's family behind.
By the way, would you care to elaborate on what you said on Canada turning into the release valve of the European immigration? I did not understand fully what you meant. Are you implying millions of immigrants will be sent to Canada from Europe or something like it ? By whom exactly? Most of the immigration movements in these years are about people banding together or going completely alone for the sake of a better life in a developed country.

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Quote from: pooya87 on May 11, 2024, 12:54:00 AM

Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 10, 2024, 11:46:40 PM

Such a law would be unconstitutional in Spain.

Are you sure about that?

Of course. Article 9.3:

Quote from: pooya87 on May 11, 2024, 12:54:00 AM

Then what do you call the Spanish Criminal Code 1996, the Article 510?

And there are subsequent attempts at fixing that law a couple of times that only made it worse each time; like the Organic Law 4/2015, of March 30 that only broadens the definition of "hate speech" which only helps it cover arbitrary cases.

This article does not provide for the retroactive imposition of punitive rules. You seem to have missed the point that I am saying that it would not be unconstitutional in Spain because of the non-retroactivity of punitive provisions, not because it is about hate speech.

You can make whatever laws you want in Spain on hate speech, but if a law on hate speech against goats is passed today, it will start to apply from today and under no circumstances can I be punished for having spoken ill of goats yesterday or 5 years ago.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on May 10, 2024, 11:46:40 PM

Such a law would be unconstitutional in Spain.

Are you sure about that? Then what do you call the Spanish Criminal Code 1996, the Article 510?

And there are subsequent attempts at fixing that law a couple of times that only made it worse each time; like the Organic Law 4/2015, of March 30 that only broadens the definition of "hate speech" which only helps it cover arbitrary cases.

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Such a law would be unconstitutional in Spain. Our constitution prohibits the establishment of laws to punish retroactively, which seems to me to be logical because otherwise it gives arbitrary power to the politician in power to punish his rivals or whoever he wants. A law that favours individuals can be applied retroactively, but not one that punishes (in Spain).

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My problem is not the law they made my problem is making the law to affect people that has committed it years back before the law was made, law evolve over time and should not affect people that did such when is not yet a law.
When a new law is made about anything it should start taking effect from that day it was made, for example if there is a new law stopping people from visiting a particular city it should not affect people that has already visited before the law was made.
That law needs to be amended not to affect people that has committed it years back before it was made a law.

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Quote from: Hispo on May 08, 2024, 07:11:42 PM

This kind of reminds me some videos I have seen from China, about how people dare to criticize the ruling of the Chinese Communist Party on the internet. It does not take much time before those people do talk negatively or share negative memes about the government of China get a visit of authorities to their front door and end up getting arrested for whatever stupid law the CCP decided to push to further control their population.
The people from.Canada need to beware and follow the developments of these kind of laws which may be used in the future to imprison people over their thoughts and free speech, the big next step I am afraid it could be taken in Canada under the leadership of Trudeau could involve the setting of some nationwide surveillance system like that implemented in China as support for the social credit system there.

Gladly this is less likely to happen in countries like the United States and Latin America, for different reasons.

It seems to me from the outside looking in, that Canada is planned to be the release valve for the European immigrant overflow population. I believe Canada's land and resources are being earmarked for immigrants and their locals will be priced out of their homes and forced to relocate. It's sad because I don't think there's anything the people of Canada can do about it at this point. They seem like trapped animals being harvested for whatever they have to give. I can't say this enough. If you live in Canada, GTFO and be mad at yourself that you didn't do it as soon as it was clear Trudeau doesn't have the best interests of Canadians in mind.

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I feel very sad anytime that I hear about any supposed developed countries that are supposed to be practicing true democracy, going against somethings that defines what democracy should be. It's only in countries where they have dictators as leaders and in third world countries, that we see things like oppression of freedom of speech as normal, not developed countries that people in these oppressed countries will use as reference for respect of human rights and freedom of speech. So now people in Canada, will likely not openly criticize their government, if they see what they don't like, and I wonder if their media will be allowed to air their views without fear of offending the leadership of their government. The development is very disappointing

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This kind of reminds me some videos I have seen from China, about how people dare to criticize the ruling of the Chinese Communist Party on the internet. It does not take much time before those people do talk negatively or share negative memes about the government of China get a visit of authorities to their front door and end up getting arrested for whatever stupid law the CCP decided to push to further control their population.
The people from.Canada need to beware and follow the developments of these kind of laws which may be used in the future to imprison people over their thoughts and free speech, the big next step I am afraid it could be taken in Canada under the leadership of Trudeau could involve the setting of some nationwide surveillance system like that implemented in China as support for the social credit system there.

Gladly this is less likely to happen in countries like the United States and Latin America, for different reasons.

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Quote from: coolcoinz on May 08, 2024, 02:47:45 PM

Trudeau was taught well by Klauss Schwab. You will own nothing an be happy.

It’s like Canada didn’t get the memo that the whole you will own nothing and be happy by 2030 shtick has been kicked down the road a bit after a stronger than foreseen resistance to the vaccinations. Now they’re focusing on how to edit genes through the food supply. I don’t know why Bill Gates woke up one day and decided to become Thanos… Between governments trying to bankrupt with inflation or kill us in order to distribute wealth to close the door behind their families to the wealthy individuals club and people like Bill Gates releasing altered mosquitos, poisoning our food supply, and cutting down forests, the world is taking a turn to become a scary place.

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Quote from: DeathAngel on May 08, 2024, 07:36:51 AM

It’s ridiculous, literally a communist nation move. Canada has fallen under the stewardship of Trudeau. He was running a totalitarian state during COVID-19 & he’s continued to get worse. How long does he have left as leader? Hopefully he is voted out in the next election, surely not many will vote to live under his North Korea style leadership.

Looks a bit like a law allowing them to imprison anyone they don't like.

Hey, I saw you on an anti government protest yesterday, let's see if you posted something incriminating online. Even if it was back when you were at school, we're going to get you.

There's a well known rule of law saying that it doesn't work backwards, but Canada wants to be different from the rest of the world, I guess.
Trudeau was taught well by Klauss Schwab. You will own nothing an be happy.

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Some might find this ridiculous but we need to understand the difference between freedom of speech and spreading hate, we have already had so many problems with stupid people with 0 IQ assuming that they can do anything like insulting others, their race or religion just like events took place in France and Sweden where holy books were burnt that's not bloody freedom of speech but rather targeting particular religion and provoking a set of people. It's good but they shouldn't take action for what people have donenin the past.

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Quote from: Ludmilla_rose1995 on May 08, 2024, 08:47:08 AM

are there any Canadians here, it seems like you have to explain the current condition of your country

It’s pretty horrible from what I’ve read but who knows when it comes to media outlets and truth. What I have read that shocks me is that prices have gotten so bad some renters are renting out half their bed to try and make ends meet. I’m sure a lot of Canadians without good jobs are just trying to find ways to save themselves from financial ruin. Desperate lawsuits, thefts, fraud, all will surely be on the rise going forward in Canada. If only more of them held Bitcoin instead of spewing hate speech online, in the future they’d be in palaces instead of prisons.

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how can Canada become like communism lol, everyone has their own freedom of opinion but indeed if hate speech is too excessive then the perpetrator must be punished (as is currently being implemented by my country's government regarding punishment for hate speech)

are there any Canadians here, it seems like you have to explain the current condition of your country

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It’s ridiculous, literally a communist nation move. Canada has fallen under the stewardship of Trudeau. He was running a totalitarian state during COVID-19 & he’s continued to get worse. How long does he have left as leader? Hopefully he is voted out in the next election, surely not many will vote to live under his North Korea style leadership.

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Quote from: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-63/first-reading

(3) Relevant portion of subsection 319(2.‍1):
(2.‍1) Everyone who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes antisemitism by condoning, denying or downplaying the Holocaust

That is pretty much the only reason for this law if you ask me.

These days most of your governments are supporting a terrorist organization called Israel that has been committing genocide in Palestine, is condemned by the international community for crimes against humanity, war crimes, crimes of apartheid, genocide and a lot more. International Court of Justice recognized Israel acts as genocide a couple of months ago and International Criminal Court is about to issue arrest warrants for the heads of this terrorist organization....

But according to this new law if a Canadian complains about why his tax money is being sent to this terrorist organization to murder 15000 children, that person would be referred to as an "antiemetic" and may face a 5 year prison sentence!!!

There is nothing surprising here though. That's just Western version of Democracy and Freedom of Speech Wink

Trudeau, Biden, Scholz, Macron, Sunak, ... are all just worried because the protests against the Zionist regime are increasing in numbers across their countries.

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The world approach today is no more becoming safe for anyone that's not attached to the rulling parties.
I think before this law was signed the above must has cleasesd itself from any social indictment which may as well justify him to be affected by the same implemented law.

I think there are some sorts of misconducts and sentiments about this laws because the rules of laws states that law only exists when the laws is formally informed and has been to existence of public awareness.
Why can't let go the past and focus on whoever engages on further outbreaks of the law as it was just recently implemented and signed into book for judgement.
Hypocrites everywhere.

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I’m not Canadian so I don’t know how bad it has gotten up there, but I do know if nonsense like this is allowed to pass then there will be quite a few Canadians on this site rushing to delete posts. I never thought a day would come where someone in North America had to worry about going to jail because of something they posted online years ago.

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/canada-to-imprison-anyone-who-has-ever-posted-hate-speech-online/

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