Topic: Can't debunk a persons points? is it acceptable to demand the discussion stops? (Read 278 times)

Lauda's gang, suchmoon, Pharmacist & Foxpup merit mafia are spreading lies and delusional remarks that mislead a lot of people and scam them. Trusting thjem would be a big mistake because they are tag anyone who denies their escrow scamish services. They must be spread their lies outside of DT

If you are asking this because you are personally experiencing it in your threads I think the best thing to do is to either report the post as out of topic or you can simply create a self-moderated thread. I personally don't know the whole story here on why they are doing this to you since you might have cross a line on some point and maybe you did something to screw them over. Anyways if you want to resolve this I think maybe trying to create a reputation thread can clear things out for both sides and maybe they can stop.

These are strong accusations. I hope that you can corroborate them with evidence that stands up to scrutiny.

If they offered to escrow and then started calling him a scam after he refused then that fits with their MO.  I have seen them in the past offer to work with scams their pal jollygood says he has busted. So I am inclined to believe what he says is true.

Dt1 is a protection racket. They will bust scams they can't benefit from.They have no qualms working with scams if they can get money from it. Suchmoon knows this but will only act against them if they call her fat as we have seen. Why would you hold back this kind of info until they dare to offend you personally.

I am not saying bitcoinSV is a scam I have not looked into that project.

Clearly many are missing the point.  This is not about tags and flags. Although they crush free speech without a doubt as does merit.

This is referring to idiots who come to a legitimate debate or discussion where the points made in the OP are entirely valid and have not been debunked and the debate is ongoing. Then start demanding the discussion stops and people stop interacting with the OP.

Nobody cares whether in your anecdotal experience you have not been at the receiving end . That is irrelevant.  That's like saying to a rape victim well I think the mass rapist is a cool guy because he didnt rape me.

The asslicking noobs that hang around meta waiting for a merit morsel as they dream of chipmixer sigs are the lowest form of shit.
They have no real knowledge of this forum the members histories and just shart out what they think their merit and DT1 masters want to hear.

It seems DT1 are unable to speak the truth. As the example with lfcbitcoin being conclusively  proven a liar by PMs that were revealed. Not one DT1 could admit lfcbitcoin was a liar. Just an endless tirade of excuses and counter allegations.

Now DT1 can not say : of course it is unacceptable to stalk members threads and then demand legitmate debates and discussions stop and people should not interact with the OP.  

Everytime there is corruption or scamming or lying or trust abuse or attempting to crush free and open legitmate debate by a DT1 they will all collude and deny or excuse it.  I mean the exception is if a lower popularity DT messes with another more popular DT1s sponsor or messes with that DT1 in anyway then you will see a shake up and some factions appear within DT1.

However for the most part DT1 is a colluding protection racket with mods also being part of this in the past and perhaps still are.

Watch what happens when I start turning up to proven scammer or proven willing scam facilitators for pay or proven liars threads and insert images that say dont feed the scammer or dont encourage the liar or dont feed the real troll? On all of their threads?
You think mods will not delete them at once?

What's the difference? Well I can present undeniable proof they are scammers and trust abuses and liars and scam facilitators for pay.
They can not show any evidence of my knowingly presenting false information as true aka trolling at all.

This is a new level of retardation from mods allowing member to demand legitmate debates are stopped and members must not interact further. It just demonstrates how corrupt the forum is. Well we will see what happens when I start splattering my little pictures all over their threads demanding their discussions stop and not to feed the real trolls.

Then the noob ass lickers will sing a different tune.

Then we can have another new thread comparing the actions of the mods and why they are deleting my little pics and not DT1s little pics. The difference will be I can produce evidence to corroborate my little pictures claims and DT1 can not

How corrupt would that make the mods for deleting pics that present the truth but allowing pics or even bestowing merit on pics that present lies ?

The tags are justified. You are spreading lies and delusional remarks that mislead a lot of people and scam them. Trusting you would be a big mistake so having you tag is normal especially here in the forum. Go spread your lies elsewhere where others can't tag you lol.

As if you are doing this community a good service. What a delusional bunch of cult members. Just wait for this faketoshi to get in jail and shut up for the moment please.

Indeed. I've been in this forum for a long time and haven't had any arguments nor popped any of my veins with arguments I've taken. I think (opinionated) that the OP has low patience and keeps wanting to be heard well in fact he is heard, but not given that much attention. I had been engaging and having some conversations through this forum on many of the older ranked members here yet I've never experienced the repression of freedom of speech nor rights to anything.

All I want to say is that, if ever that some user have the opposite opinion as you do, better respect. It's not that bad to respect first than to be respected. And if ever that they have claims that opposes yours, better be calm and provide a much stronger evidences, and never attack a user by his actions, but rather only attack the argument you are onto.

How so? Your account is not banned and is still free to post to your heart's content(unless you're going to spam of course, then expect your posts to be deleted); I mean, you're still actively posting.

This is simple. Given all the big words you used it must have been too simple a solution; which can happen with the super intellectual from time to time.

"Report to Moderator" - If the post contributed nothing to the discussion, only demands people not discuss this and/or only posts an image that doesn't relate to the core topic and/or direct side topics of discussion.

Moderators will decide. No need for Big Brain Time

I would prefer not to focus on a specific member. Don't want this being teleported to rep.

I am asking in general.  Can you target a specific members legitmate discussion ( no proof of trolling in the current discussion and the points made in the OP stand having not been debunked)  and start demanding the discussion stops and that people stop commenting and making their points?

Of course anyone should be free to deal with points they dislike or disagree with by

1. Debunking them conclusively
2. Presenting a legitmate counter argument which stands up to scrutiny  that casts doubt on those points
3. Ignore the discussion.

They should certainly not be permitted to

1. Demand the discussion stops.
2. Follow the person around demanding all discussions stop
3. Make up lies or make statements with zero corroborating evidence as a basis for making false claims of trolling

This should be looked at.

Every member must be free to express on topic, relevant and  legitimate  ( corroborated with evidence) posts without others demanding the discussion stops. It is bad enough to have the threat of red tags and flags and merit starvation for simply presenting inconvenient ontopic and relevant evidence that DT1 find inconvenient.

This latest demanding a halt to legitimate discussion is clearly going way too far.

For those select few that require no merit since they require no rank, sig rev,  no desire to trade or any further financial profit here at all then there is still free speech. These members are the most valuable asset the forum still has to avoid or just becoming one huge human centipede. An echo chamber is useless as a forum.

Nobody's "crushing your freedom of speech", c******unter. But other people also have the freedom to not listen to your speech (free as it is), and some people just need a little reminder of that fact. That's all.

For example if someone is targeting a specific thread starter?

If I were to turn up on a certain members threads consecutively and regularly just insert a picture stating do not feed the troll ?

I mean it would be different if I were to present incontrovertible proof the person was trolling by demonstrating they were deliberately promugating false information as true. That would debunk their points or arguments.

But just to turn up to every one of their threads with zero evidence of prior trolling ( not that that would indicate the current thread or discussion therein was not a legitimate discussion) and zero evidence the current discussion is in anyway trolling and just demand people stop contributing to that current discussion is acceptable? Yes or No?

If it is then I will start doing it on every persons threads where I simply feel like it.

Yes or no? Present your reasoning and specific evidence to support your claims if you say yes.

Of course if you say No then that clearly makes sense. You should not be able to tell others to stop a debate or discussion without evidence the debate or discussion is invalid. You should present your own counter argument that stands up to scrutiny that refutes the thread starters points.

You can't allow it to be acceptable practise for DT1 members or any members to go around demanding people end debates and discussions can you?

If you do not agree with the points a person is making you must either debunk them or accept it is possible they are correct . You can not simply demand the discussion stops. That is clearly not how a forum works.

How much further are DT1 going to be permitted to crush the freedom of speech here ? They have their red tags and flags to scare people away from discussing things they don't like. Or presenting evidence of their prior financially motivated wrongdoing.

Now they are going further and just demanding people stop discussing or debating things they are not comfortable with.
Mods and admin allowing this are complicit. There is no other way to see it.

Uphold a persons right to discuss on topic and relevant information. Really you should make members responsible for claims they are making too. If those claims relate to behavior that is independently verifiable on this forum.
If it is conclusively proven they have been making false claims  they should be forced to retract or face a punishment. Repeating false claims is trolling.  Punish them.