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After this accusation thread was created against me, I have made sure to always stay away from newbie introductory posts – and whenever I come across any post that’s from a newbie here I have started developing the habit of always checking if they are from Nigeria board (depending on the post they are making). I have skipped several posts in the beginner and help board because of this issue.

You seem disappointed because several times you failed to leave a reply in the first 30 seconds.

What you did by editing posts is a pretty ugly habit, you should probably be thankful that everything ended well. You should relax. Have you noticed that even the 10th reply post can sometimes be constructive, attract more attention and earn some merits?
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It is more than obvious that @Cantsay continues with the old practice, and this time it took him 1 minute and 6 seconds to respond to the post.

After this accusation thread was created against me, I have made sure to always stay away from newbie introductory posts – and whenever I come across any post that’s from a newbie here I have started developing the habit of always checking if they are from Nigeria board (depending on the post they are making). I have skipped several posts in the beginner and help board because of this issue.

As for the editing part, you can go through my post history whenever I have something I want to add to my post I have always made use of “edit” (after this thread was created) so in the case of Mia, it happened that I didnt refresh to see her post assuming I did I won’t added the other part, I would have just advise the Op to use search feature because most of his issues have been answered in the past.


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and we should not be surprised at all that OP @Funke is also from Nigeria. Those who still believe in coincidences have fewer and fewer arguments to continue to think so.

Considering that @Cantsay is in the campaign managed by @icopress, I draw his attention once again to the behavior of this user.

How many of my posts have you seen in political board? I’m not a guy that will come online to debate politics I don’t know anything about it and you can see that I have seen people in my local board (back when it was just a thread) argue and started having issue with themselves because of politics and some even advised that political issues should not be brought up again for discussion. @Funke is constantly posting articles about it, there’s a clear difference between both accounts and you can still invite investigators of the forum to come and analyze the account I’ll be very much active to discuss this. Ip check could also be done to strengthen my case here.

I guess me not responding to this thread at the early stage was what made it seem like I had something to hide.
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It is more than obvious that @Cantsay continues with the old practice, and this time it took him 1 minute and 6 seconds to respond to the post, and we should not be surprised at all that OP @Funke is also from Nigeria. Those who still believe in coincidences have fewer and fewer arguments to continue to think so.

Considering that @Cantsay is in the campaign managed by @icopress, I draw his attention once again to the behavior of this user.
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I know it seems strange to make the first post in a thread to get some merits and I believe that's the main reason why @Lucius thought about some co-relation between those two accounts. I would suggest @Cantsay to not try to make posts in rush as those can cause some problems for you and may cause some doubts in minds of other members if you receive merits on those posts. No matter if you write the first post or the fifth one if it deserves to get merits it will get those merits trust me.

I don't think the problem here is making the comment in a hurry. I have seen many comments in which the users comment in a rush, even one-line comments. Those who are forum staff—some of them do that—and many other users use such means to secure a spot for themselves to appear in the first line of the comment. It might appear bad and cheating to others, as some people who want to give a genuine answer in a particular case might drop the comment under it, and after they have edited their post, it will now look as if the person who commented before the editing copied or just duplicated the answer of the first commenter with a few changes.
 
From reading the whole drama, where I see this issue coming from is the spead use in the comment. Even when it was edited, the time limit used in editing and adding up all the information and links looks really suspicious, and anyone who is observant enough will definitely have some queries over such an attitude. Adding to the fact that the OP and the person in question are from the same local board and have also made claims of having the same skill, coincidences do happen, but such is rare to be seen in the open.
 
Some people who make one-line comments and reserve them for editing later have been doing it, and a thread of such has not been created for them. This is because there has not been any malicious intent detected in such behaviour. When you see a little thing that is a bit fishy and warrants an eye brow to be raised, you will definitely see it.
 
All things being said, from all evidence, even if Cantsay is not the owner of that Op account, there is a higher possibility of him knowing who the OP is, and he was alerted before the thread became published, which made him arrange his reply in preparation for that moment.
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After reading almost every of this thread I can say that there are some chances for @Cantsay to have some relation to that account but that can be a coincidence too. I have read some posts of Cantsay before and I have seen many posts of him of various topics. Most of his posts seem pretty good to me and he makes some good contribution to the forum.

I know it seems strange to make the first post in a thread to get some merits and I believe that's the main reason why @Lucius thought about some co-relation between those two accounts. I would suggest @Cantsay to not try to make posts in rush as those can cause some problems for you and may cause some doubts in minds of other members if you receive merits on those posts. No matter if you write the first post or the fifth one if it deserves to get merits it will get those merits trust me.
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I also noticed from Cantsay post history that sometime ago he was an active spam buster. He had a reputation of busting bounty cheaters, alts and even users who broke forum rules by copy posting AI contents and even plagiarists.
From the fact that he was able to bust spams I don't think he would be dumb to have made dumb mistakes like airdropping merits from his alts if he had one.


I agree with you, and this is what I have been thinking about since the first days of this topic.
@Cantsay is good at finding alternative accounts. Does this mean he won't be able to hide his second account well enough? I am ready to agree that he has an alternative account, since according to the history of posts, the formation of life on the forum occurs too quickly, but the ownership of alts is not prohibited. And these are not the accounts the OP is referring to.
In addition, the @Turn it off account belongs to a person from Indonesia, although you can also understand that he knows what he is writing about and is not a newbie.
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You could tell me who said that. I can see that you still do not understand what I have asked you. I have checked your post again and I saw how badly you have explained that you have copied the links and all you did is quote the post and paste it there. You didn't have to tell me all these things. <…>

Going back to read them, I have realized what you said. no wonder users kept asking the same question I thought maybe they didn’t bother to read my post but it looks like I failed to pass the information constructively that’s why… Btw, Thanks for you contribution.
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Who said I didn’t explain how I responded fast to the thread? That was what I started with when I was first accused but somehow it was ignored. if you scroll down you’ll see another post where I included screenshots of my drafts showing how I edited the post.

You could tell me who said that. I can see that you still do not understand what I have asked you. I have checked your post again and I saw how badly you have explained that you have copied the links and all you did is quote the post and paste it there. You didn't have to tell me all these things. All you have to say is, I have reserved the post with a short message like "Welcome to the forum". That's why I was too fast to reply because I didn't even read what op posted. Otherwise, it's not even possible to finish the reading in 44 seconds. You have been asked the same question by Rikafip here
Fair enough.

What I don't understand is why you didn't reply to Lucius that you initially wrote only "Welcome to Bitcointalk.org" in those 44 seconds and only later expanded the answer to the one we see now? As its pretty much obvious that is what happened here and would explain how its possible to write all that in seemingly only 44 seconds.  

That's what happens when you do not get the question and write a wall of text instead of a short and simple answer. I was trying to help because It seems like you were innocent. but you seem unhappy  Smiley
Good luck!
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Also, the reason I'm keeping an eye on the members I've mentioned is that I've also gotten post history review requests from Amphenomenon, who also merited you for the post in question and though I said there's no hard evidence of Hatchy and Mia Chloe being alts, if I'm being honest I'm not ruling it out.  I'm just being alert, because I've been fooled and my review offer has been abused before.
Thanks for all you do God bless you. I get you have been taken as a fool for you trying to help others like this and it's understandable after everything that happened before and now I feel more open to clear myself out of all this drama :
Earning merit wasn't easy for me at first till I read this fillippone  thread which was an eye opener and a guide I'm grateful for. Here is a quote from it :
Don’t hoard your sMerit. Spend them, according to aforementioned criteria, but spend them. Find good material on the forum and reward someone. This will start a few positive feedback loops: first this will encourage more good posts on the forum, that is our main objective, secondly will create some kind of “bond” with the merited person, that will recognise you next time you write and will be more keen to merit you back( this is not merit begging or merit swapping, it is more a subtle, psychological, not conscious effect)  and lastly, above all will signal you as a user that recognise good posts. A user recognising good posts is perceived as a user writing good posts: you send Merits, the more they will come back to you!
I have tried this and it do work and sometimes I do feel like meriting others who has merited me and that day I thought about meriting Cantsay. Then opt for the post He was last merited unfortunately saw that post and he got 3 merit from it and then decided to add 1 extra never thought @Turn it off will just be a newbie let's be Frank who will expect a newbie to do just that all I thought was that Turn it off was just another unknown I rank member then boom all these drama.
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After reading what the OP wrote and the opinion of different users in the comment section, it clearly shows that judging a case in court is not as easy as we think. But I can give me own opinion base on some reply I came across.

And if you take a look at my post history you’ll see that majority of my replies are mostly first or at the first page of those thread and whenever my post comes first you’ll see that there’s always a little time difference between mine and the op and the main reason why I respond fast is to avoid making reply that just looks like a repetition of what other users have said already and most of them don’t require technical knowledge
All for what, bro?

It's not a competition, Lol.
I have noticed how you respond to some posts in the past. You usually start with a very short response like "welcome to bitcointalk" and then edit it later. You know that you got so many eyes watching here and anything off about your account behavior can draw a lot of attention

Of course, I won't agree with @cantsay on this. Most topic starters might just be interested in few comments, but end up seeing "welcome to Bitcointalk". I don't have any problem with him trying to secure a top spot for himself, besides there are no rules against that.

Just because of how busy i am outside my digital space, i would have love to have a spot in every comment section by doing the same thing.

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So any doubt is removed because both of you do not belong/write in the same local board? You know what else is weird? The fact that @Turn it off does not appear at all to defend himself or you, and he gave you all the merits he had.

@Turn it off ought to be present here to clear him/herself. I am not an admin or moderator, but i think @Turn it off activities should be monitored for failing to respond to every claim involving him/her.

In conclusion : Though the evidence against @cantsay is strong, I can't form my own judgment based on other factors at hand.
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When Lucius asked you the question about your reply and how you managed to reply within 44 seconds, you did not explain that you were reserving the post with a short post and later you edited that. The reason for this; I wanted to reserve the spot to give the best exposure to my campaign (which you explained later) or to earn more merits. The matter could have been solved there. But you let it happen and people started digging more. The community always joins the party (even if you are innocent) when they see something negative. This is typical human nature. We enjoy shitshow!

Who said I didn’t explain how I responded fast to the thread? That was what I started with when I was first accused but somehow it was ignored. if you scroll down you’ll see another post where I included screenshots of my drafts showing how I edited the post.

I don't know, but what I will say is that the thread that OP linked to in which you posted that detailed information right after the thread was started looks very suspicious.

I explained how I made that post in a short duration here, you can scroll up to see my first reply to this accusation. . I even included screenshots of my drafts just so that they can see that the post was edited and each information was added bit by bit, check it out and see for yourself that I didn’t just ignore the thread.

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 The fact that Dextro1 only has 4 posts since that thread was started in October is also suspicious, and along with the fact that the thread was locked makes it very much seem as though someone was trying to cover their tracks.

Cover my tracks? And yet the said account went to my local board to make a post and not only did they make a post in my local board they also made it obvious that were from the same state and profession. That’s exactly what I’m trying to say why go to my local board and post after being accused? If anything should have been done it would have been for me to keep the alt far from my local board to reduce suspicion.

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Also, the reason I'm keeping an eye on the members I've mentioned is that I've also gotten post history review requests from Amphenomenon, who also merited you for the post in question and though I said there's no hard evidence of Hatchy and Mia Chloe being alts, if I'm being honest I'm not ruling it out.  I'm just being alert, because I've been fooled and my review offer has been abused before.

I had to pm someone who I thought had already sent you a post review request so that I could ask him if there was a format for application… check your list this is the first time I have sent you an application and if you’re in doubt I could send you a screenshot of the user I asked for help on how to write the post review request; but only if you promise to keep it private cause I have seen people publish PMs that were supposed to be private to the public and I don’t want something like that to happen.
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All right, wait a sec here.  I didn't outright accuse you or Hatchy of being alt accounts if you read my post closely, just that you've both sent merits to each other and to Cantsay and that I'm keeping an eye on it.  I said that a possible reason for that is the Nigeria connection, which would argue that you aren't alt accounts--and in any case I'm not going to refuse a post history request from you unless there's hard evidence that I'm being taken advantage of, so let's not blow this out of proportion.

Apologies if I may have accused you wrongly in trying to prove my innocence here. I was only trying to clarify the fact that I am not an alt account. And therefore I don't entertain being mentioned in threads as a possible alt account. This is due to the fact that looking at Cantsay's issue on ground, he may have ignored issues like this during the early stage which only made it escalate and give more emphasis on the idea that he had multiple alt accounts.
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I decided to take my Christmas break Only to get notifications on accusations that I am possibly an alt.Well I am not so surprised as this is not the first time I have been wrongly accused.
All right, wait a sec here.  I didn't outright accuse you or Hatchy of being alt accounts if you read my post closely, just that you've both sent merits to each other and to Cantsay and that I'm keeping an eye on it.  I said that a possible reason for that is the Nigeria connection, which would argue that you aren't alt accounts--and in any case I'm not going to refuse a post history request from you unless there's hard evidence that I'm being taken advantage of, so let's not blow this out of proportion.

What would your reaction be if you were accused of having an alt account and
I don't know, but what I will say is that the thread that OP linked to in which you posted that detailed information right after the thread was started looks very suspicious.  The fact that Dextro1 only has 4 posts since that thread was started in October is also suspicious, and along with the fact that the thread was locked makes it very much seem as though someone was trying to cover their tracks.

Also, the reason I'm keeping an eye on the members I've mentioned is that I've also gotten post history review requests from Amphenomenon, who also merited you for the post in question and though I said there's no hard evidence of Hatchy and Mia Chloe being alts, if I'm being honest I'm not ruling it out.  I'm just being alert, because I've been fooled and my review offer has been abused before.
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I decided to take my Christmas break Only to get notifications on accusations that I am possibly an alt.Well I am not so surprised as this is not the first time I have been wrongly accused.

Firstly, Every single member on Bitcoin talk has Merit fans and sometimes it could be members of same local board with you or same frequent discussions as you. Can we then say all merit fans of members are alts?

Hatchy has been a great translation organizer and contributor in my local board, who also happens to be a member of AOBT.
I also want members here to acknowledge the undisputable fact that ranking up for a total newbie on this forum isn't a day's job. And therefore managing multiple alt accounts would be useless.

I also noticed from Cantsay post history that sometime ago he was an active spam buster. He had a reputation of busting bounty cheaters, alts and even users who broke forum rules by copy posting AI contents and even plagiarists.
From the fact that he was able to bust spams I don't think he would be dumb to have made dumb mistakes like airdropping merits from his alts if he had one.
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unfortunately after a few days you received a notification that the initial thread has been locked and instead a new thread had been created against you,

Look Cantsay, I understand this is frustrating if you are innocent and I would reacted the same if I were you. If someone accused me wrongly and I am not guilty of that, I will stop responding to them and start ignoring them. But, let me tell you that you are the person who let it happen. It could have been solved in the first thread where it was discussed. But you were not able to explain everything.

When Lucius asked you the question about your reply and how you managed to reply within 44 seconds, you did not explain that you were reserving the post with a short post and later you edited that. The reason for this; I wanted to reserve the spot to give the best exposure to my campaign (which you explained later) or to earn more merits. The matter could have been solved there. But you let it happen and people started digging more. The community always joins the party (even if you are innocent) when they see something negative. This is typical human nature. We enjoy shitshow!
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The Nigerian community seems to be a very tight one, and that's the only lingering reservation I have about all of this.  I noticed that Mia Chloe and Hatchy are in the "merit circle" of Cantsay, and I believe they're both Nigerian.  I don't have any evidence that they're alt accounts, so I'm not going to say anything other than I've taken notice of who's giving merits to who when I'm doing post history reviews.

I was surprised when I saw the title if this thread
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on my telegram bot because I've been accused of being someone's alt before as a newbie, and it didn't end well, thanks to some highly reputed members, I wasn't given a neutral trust. I just found this thread now and I'm still surprised to be tagged with @cantsay and MiaChloe as Alts. It's not something anyone would be happy about. just to be sure, I decided to check ninjastic space and found that I've sent and received equal merit from MiaChloe, which might wrongly suggest we're Alts.

Looking at @cantsay account, I couldn't find much. He's a high-reputed member of the Nigeria local board, but I rarely see him posting there. I send merit to members who contribute well to my local community, and if MiaChloe wasn't one of them, he wouldn't be on my most-merited list. what I always liked about MiaChloe was how he always managed to balance his earned merits with his total amounts of post. this showed more of a quality member on Bitcointalk.

I don't know if it's a coincidence, that we both have equal sent merits on our account, but as I mentioned in my first merit accusation thread I have no skeletons in the closet. If I've done anything that seems like merit abuse, I'll stop because I don't like being mentioned in threads like this. I seek knowledge and reputation on Bitcointalk and won't let things like this tarnish my reputation. please Feel free to mention me if needed, and I hope @MiaChloe has seen this discussion and can share his thoughts on his merit history.
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The only suspicious thing is what fatFork posted in this thread. The dextro guy and cantsay is from same place and the both graphic designer. How odd it is?

That was the same reason I stopped responding to this thread not because I didn’t have anything to saw to defend but the fact that they overlooked everything I said and still continued with the same accusation; I remember when the Op of that thread was noted to be from the same local board as me I tried defending myself, because I don’t see any logic in me making a post in my local board with my alt after being accused of abusing the system- if anything should be done it would have been for me to take the account far from my local board. And I’m sure that even if I continue defending myself saying I know none of them more users will still come to the thread and bring up suspicions that I have already countered.

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Oh, and Cantsay's got me on his trust list so I'm expecting to be removed.  Lol.  Set the timer....now.

Nah that’s not going to happen.

Wait TSC let me ask you a question; What would your reaction be if you were accused of having an alt account and then you replied the user defending yourself and later you didn't receive any notifications thinking maybe the accuser saw truth in your post and gave up the idea, but unfortunately after a few days you received a notification that the initial thread has been locked and instead a new thread had been created against you, and despite trying to defend yourself everyone turned a blind eye on your post? Claiming that you locked the thread with your alt account (when the issue could have been resolved there) and then instead of hiding your alt you proceed to create a post in the same local board as your main account.
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I have seen this thread before. But, I was convinced that this is not a merit abuse nor that they are an alt account. Because I also had a stupid idea like "I would install telegram and run try ninja's bot to get instant notifications for a new topic and I will be the first person to make a reply" It will help me earn more merits. But I never had free time to do these simple few steps. If I can have such stupid idea, Maybe can't say have the similar idea too. The only suspicious thing is what fatFork posted in this thread. The dextro guy and cantsay is from same place and the both graphic designer. How odd it is?

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I'm glad that someone still shows the sense to separate the good from the bad, but I'm also disappointed when I see that the majority still tolerates such behavior as if it's something completely normal and not more than obvious abuse of merits.
Tolerate it how exactly?  Merit abuse has always been kind of a controversial topic as far as what actions should be taken by the community, and personally I don't tag merit abusers because Theymos implied that they shouldn't be (IIRC).  

The Nigerian community seems to be a very tight one, and that's the only lingering reservation I have about all of this.  I noticed that Mia Chloe and Hatchy are in the "merit circle" of Cantsay, and I believe they're both Nigerian.  I don't have any evidence that they're alt accounts, so I'm not going to say anything other than I've taken notice of who's giving merits to who when I'm doing post history reviews.

BTW, I like the way you shrunk the font on the quoted text.  I may have to steal that from you.
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I'm scratching my head wondering if that is indeed improper, because if someone created a thread about me with an accusation that was false, would I be wrong for not trusting that member's judgement?  Yep, it looks retaliatory on Cantsay's part but looking at it from his perspective, I'm just questioning what I might do or at least think of doing.

Anyone who considers themselves innocent would try to defend themselves in every way, and ignoring everything presented in this topic only confirms that it is true.

But that's only if the accusation was false.  I got a request to do a post history review from Cantsay, and I'm glad I started checking members' trust pages before doing them, because after checking his and then following Lucius's link to this thread I think I'm going to have to skip him for the reasons you guys have pointed out here.  I have enough evidence that something fishy is afoot to justify that decision.

I'm glad that someone still shows the sense to separate the good from the bad, but I'm also disappointed when I see that the majority still tolerates such behavior as if it's something completely normal and not more than obvious abuse of merits.
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He didn't stay silent, he added you to his distrust list. https://loyce.club/trust/2023-11-04_Sat_05.07h/3435148.html
Judging by the reasons why he did that, obviously an improper use of the trust system.
I'm scratching my head wondering if that is indeed improper, because if someone created a thread about me with an accusation that was false, would I be wrong for not trusting that member's judgement?  Yep, it looks retaliatory on Cantsay's part but looking at it from his perspective, I'm just questioning what I might do or at least think of doing.

But that's only if the accusation was false.  I got a request to do a post history review from Cantsay, and I'm glad I started checking members' trust pages before doing them, because after checking his and then following Lucius's link to this thread I think I'm going to have to skip him for the reasons you guys have pointed out here.  I have enough evidence that something fishy is afoot to justify that decision. 

Oh, and Cantsay's got me on his trust list so I'm expecting to be removed.  Lol.  Set the timer....now.
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You obviously haven't read anything in this topic, or you have and you still don't understand anything. There is enough evidence for a well-founded suspicion that @Cantsay is trying to earn merits in the way described - and besides, he didn't even try to defend himself, but wisely remained silent in the hope that everything would be forgotten.

He didn't stay silent, he added you to his distrust list. https://loyce.club/trust/2023-11-04_Sat_05.07h/3435148.html
Judging by the reasons why he did that, obviously an improper use of the trust system.

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1. NEW ~Lucius (Trust: neutral) (4261 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

oops, pardon. I forgot to add that you were on his trust list before that.  Roll Eyes

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9. Removed Lucius (Trust: neutral) (4261 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
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~snip~
In other hand nothing people can not do to grow Alt accounts, so after a proper investigation and it's what a cantsay did, i think its does not make a sense, but I'm emphasising on proper investigation, before justification


You obviously haven't read anything in this topic, or you have and you still don't understand anything. There is enough evidence for a well-founded suspicion that @Cantsay is trying to earn merits in the way described - and besides, he didn't even try to defend himself, but wisely remained silent in the hope that everything would be forgotten.
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Their is some certain information we can consider to be real or not, their is every tendency that the account can be alt, and if the account is alt I don't think that will trade a merit but nobody can tell... when you start to dig to the forum many people will be alt of some people they don't know, what I will encourage you is to make your proper investigation
In other hand nothing people can not do to grow Alt accounts, so after a proper investigation and it's what a cantsay did, i think its does not make a sense, but I'm emphasising on proper investigation, before justification
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@BabyBandit, in general, you didn't do anything wrong, because everyone can do whatever they want with their sMerits - but I personally think that posts of that type are not something that deserves merits. As you can see from this topic, various methods are used by individuals to get merits, but apparently this is quite normal behavior for some members of the forum.
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Hello. I gave this users on merit yesterday here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63261532
I didn't know about this until now, maybe I did something wrong.  Embarrassed


@BabyBandit, in general, you didn't do anything wrong, because everyone can do whatever they want with their sMerits - but I personally think that posts of that type are not something that deserves merits. As you can see from this topic, various methods are used by individuals to get merits, but apparently this is quite normal behavior for some members of the forum.

EDIT: Thanks for clarifying Lucius
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2.@Cantsay gets 4 merits, including 3 from the newbie who has earned a total of 8 merits so far.

If any account is to be suspected it should be the other account where I receive one merits from not the other @turn it off because I looked at his post history and found that we’re not even in the same local board.

So any doubt is removed because both of you do not belong/write in the same local board? You know what else is weird? The fact that @Turn it off does not appear at all to defend himself or you, and he gave you all the merits he had.

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3.@Cantsay in a way admits that what he is doing is a good way to earn merits and advertise his sig campaign.

I don’t see anything wrong in my trying to give more exposure to a campaign signature that I am wearing also at the same time trying to earning merits by replying fast to threads that I know the answers to… and like I said if this is also a crime then go one with your punishment.

What kind of punishment are you talking about? I am not a moderator, admin, or even a DT1 member so I can punish you in any way.

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4.The topic is locked to prevent further discussion, which only further indicates that the matter is being swept under the rug.

Moderators could be asked in this case to open the thread and if possible look into the Ip @dextro if indeed it’s been operated by me, and if anyone reported the thread please do me the favour of just replying to this part of my post (if you even come across it).

Whoever closed that thread only caused my even greater suspicion that things are not very clear there - but it seems to me that the topic was closed by the OP, because I don't see on what basis someone would report that thread, and even less why a mod would lock it.



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What seems to me that @Dextro1 is an alt account of @Cantsay, and also @Turn it off which served him to award himself merits.

This is funny because if indeed @dextro is my alt and I have already been accused of abusing the system why on earth will I try to make it more obvious by locating the Nigeria board? Like I should try to keep the account of the forum it possibly delete my post, but why just go straight to the my local board to create more drama?

I understand that the population of Edo State is estimated at over 4.7 million [1], but damn, this is such a coincidence:

Username: cantsay
Gender: male
State of resident : Edo state
Skills: graphics design, web developer

Username: Dextro1
Gender: male
Country/state of origin: Nigeria/Edo State
Skill: Graphic Designer

Another almost identical case, involving another Nigerian: Usasauki2004
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62938877

All things considered, I'd say either work buddies or an alt accounts.

I hope you will have some meaningful comment on this evidence, or you will say that everything is just a coincidence?
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I don't know whom to believe but from what I understand so far as someone who uses notification, I often got attracted by some new topics and thread which I do get the notification but due to some reason of what op just say I do give some space or time possibly I will allow some minutes before responding to the thread but if in any way I want to reply and I noticed that what I want to answer has already  been posted I don't mind quitting and stop posting so that it won't be spamming or shitposting.
@op you can be correct but let's also consider some facts as well since he already said of always responding to most topics as soon as it's being posted, with this aspect we can see some senses to what he is saying but, for that maybe you need to watch out next if such activities persist then you should know that all you just said are nothing but the real facts.
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And if you take a look at my post history you’ll see that majority of my replies are mostly first or at the first page of those thread and whenever my post comes first you’ll see that there’s always a little time difference between mine and the op and the main reason why I respond fast is to avoid making reply that just looks like a repetition of what other users have said already and most of them don’t require technical knowledge

All for what, bro?

It's not a competition, Lol.
I have noticed how you respond to some posts in the past. You usually start with a very short response like "welcome to bitcointalk" and then edit it later. You know that you got so many eyes watching here and anything off about your account behavior can draw a lot of attention

Look at this few examples

1. https://ninjastic.space/post/62938877 Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62938877
2. https://ninjastic.space/post/62977832 Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62977832
3. https://ninjastic.space/post/63021589 Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63021589
4. https://ninjastic.space/post/62997228 Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62997228
5. https://ninjastic.space/post/63021589 Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.63021589
And this is just Beginners, and help board could go on and on and on…

What exactly are you trying to achieve?

Of course, you can edit once in a while but in your case, you made it a habit. I know of a user who used to do the same thing for a signature campaign, and they had to throw him out after coming under scrutiny.

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I understand that the population of Edo State is estimated at over 4.7 million [1], but damn, this is such a coincidence:

Username: cantsay
Gender: male
State of resident : Edo state
Skills: graphics design, web developer

Username: Dextro1
Gender: male
Country/state of origin: Nigeria/Edo State
Skill: Graphic Designer

Another almost identical case, involving another Nigerian: Usasauki2004
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62938877

All things considered, I'd say either work buddies or an alt accounts.



@OP I respect you and don't take this as personal, what's the conclusion from your accusation?

Let's assume if @Dextro1 is @Cantsay's alt and abuse of merits, what's the punishment? a DT member can't tag someone because of abusing merit.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

That quote is taken out of context. Read the whole post by theymos and the post to which the reply was referring. Also, bones261 talked about a "red tag", there was no mention of a neutral tag.
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@OP I respect you and don't take this as personal, what's the conclusion from your accusation?

Let's assume if @Dextro1 is @Cantsay's alt and abuse of merits, what's the punishment? a DT member can't tag someone because of abusing merit.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

What he did certainly make the project he promote become more visible, so the project owner should be happy to have him. For a campaign manager, it might be good to have him since the purpose of campaign manager is helping the project.

I've seen there are a lot abusers out there, but since there's no punishment, I see no point.

Even though I don't like such dirty strategy.
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I recommend Cantsay to stop doing stupid things, like worrying about being the first to reply to a thread. If the answer is good enough, it doesn't matter if you are the first or the fourth. Also, if you have alts, don't do stupid things with them. At the moment I don't see any tag in his profile and his merit history seems decent, leaving aside these 3 merits on the part of his possible alt.

There are already too many people on the forum who screw up by behaving like idiots when they have the potential to be good forum members and earn money accordingly.
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Like I said in that thread, the reason why I responded to that thread fast was because I was with my device when the notification came in at Tryninja’s notification bot.

44 seconds from the moment the user posted a topic, to get the notification, to actually reading the topic, to go to reply and type your own post, and hit post?
Without the bolded part, yes,  with it, bs!

And if you take a look at my post history you’ll see that majority of my replies are mostly first or at the first page of those thread and whenever my post comes first you’ll see that there’s always a little time

Do you have more of these in 44 seconds?  Cheesy

Anyhow, even if what you say is real, what you're doing is completely wrong!
When somebody sees that someone has replied to this topic he wants to see a real answer, not "welcome" and not after 12 minutes the full answer. Can you please explain to us how it took you only 44 seconds to get on that topic, have the ready-prepared answer at hand, and post it in that time but then it took you 12 minutes to actually make it look like a real reply?

I don’t see anything wrong in my trying to give more exposure to a campaign signature that I am wearing also at the same time trying to earning merits by replying fast to threads that I know the answers to… and like I said if this is also a crime then go one with your punishment.

Oh no, nothing wrong!
Let's get everyone to type reserved as fast as they can in every topic and by the time it reaches 100 pages come back and actually read what this topic is about and ponder a few hours more if we have an opinion on it at all.

It's not about being a crime, it's about being a total dick!

This is funny because if indeed @dextro is my alt and I have already been accused of abusing the system why on earth will I try to make it more obvious by locating the Nigeria board?

Because people who think of this stupid way to farm merits are likely to do another stupid thing!
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If I had written it somewhere and then start copying and pasting them in every newbies thread that means I would have made plagiarized posts more than once and besides what’s there to write down?
“Welcome to Bitcointalk, + introducing links to help them learn about bitcoin  + in some case how to use search ( which I recently started adding + encouragement to ask questions” if I had to write this post down in my notepad that means I’d have been making my quick replies that has nothing to do with newbies introduction when the page has gotten to 3 or 4.
Fair enough.

What I don't understand is why you didn't reply to Lucius that you initially wrote only "Welcome to Bitcointalk.org" in those 44 seconds and only later expanded the answer to the one we see now? As its pretty much obvious that is what happened here and would explain how its possible to write all that in seemingly only 44 seconds.  
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3.@Cantsay in a way admits that what he is doing is a good way to earn merits and advertise his sig campaign.
That si imho a weak explanation. It would be more beliveable if he said that he has that whole post already written somewhere and saved just in case, but to see a new topic and write all that in only 44 seconds? I honestly doubt that.

If I had written it somewhere and then start copying and pasting them in every newbies thread that means I would have made plagiarized posts more than once and besides what’s there to write down?
“Welcome to Bitcointalk, + introducing links to help them learn about bitcoin  + in some case how to use search ( which I recently started adding + encouragement to ask questions” if I had to write this post down in my notepad that means I’d have been making my quick replies that has nothing to do with newbies introduction when the page has gotten to 3 or 4.

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By the way, we had similar cases in the past where some members were doing exactly this: using alt account to create new topics, then answering with main one knowing that early replies usually gets the most amount of merit so this woudn't be a first one.

I have participated in providing proofs for cases that are similar to this so I know how fruitless it is to try to grow an account by creating alts and then self-meriting.
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The link says I'm also talking about Cantsay's post. Not sure what you have seen.
Ah sorry, my bad. Yeah I thought I saw the first post.


What I have only noticed about Cantsay is that he use to post like 3 to 5 words (which would only take some seconds ) so that he can fast post on a new thread, and later edit it to make it longer. There have been many threads I noticed this about him which likely are not Nigerians as the OPs.
Yeah you might be onto something with this. This could be a very effective method to earn merit as it first he "reserves" the first spot (as earlier replies bring more merit) and then he takes some time to write a proper answer.
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He is not referring to Dextro1 post but instead to the one written by Cantsay.
The link says I'm also talking about Cantsay's post. Not sure what you have seen.
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Like I said in that thread, the reason why I responded to that thread fast was because I was with my device when the notification came in at Tryninja’s notification bot. And if you take a look at my post history you’ll see that majority of my replies are mostly first or at the first page of those thread and whenever my post comes first you’ll see that there’s always a little time difference between mine and the op and the main reason why I respond fast is to avoid making reply that just looks like a repetition of what other users have said already and most of them don’t require technical knowledge ( I do stead away from posts that require such to avoid spreading no-sense knowledge)


lk.org/index.php?topic=5457551.msg63035640#msg63035640]@Cantsay[/url].

Facts to consider:

1.@Cantsay responds to a post in just 44 seconds.

I believe this has already been answered and I even provided you with screenshots showing you how I edited my posts batch by batch (but if that’s a crime then go on and punish me).

4.The topic is locked to prevent further discussion, which only further indicates that the matter is being swept under the rug.

Moderators could be asked in this case to open the thread and if possible look into the Ip @dextro if indeed it’s been operated by me, and if anyone reported the thread please do me the favour of just replying to this part of my post (if you even come across it).


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What seems to me that @Dextro1 is an alt account of @Cantsay, and also @Turn it off which served him to award himself merits.

This is funny because if indeed @dextro is my alt and I have already been accused of abusing the system why on earth will I try to make it more obvious by locating the Nigeria board? Like I should try to keep the account of the forum it possibly delete my post, but why just go straight to the my local board to create more drama?

Ps. There might be some grammatical errors.
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He is not referring to Dextro1 post but instead to the one written by Cantsay.


3.@Cantsay in a way admits that what he is doing is a good way to earn merits and advertise his sig campaign.
That si imho a weak explanation. It would be more beliveable if he said that he has that whole post already written somewhere and saved just in case, but to see a new topic and write all that in only 44 seconds? I honestly doubt that.

By the way, we had similar cases in the past where some members were doing exactly this: using alt account to create new topics, then answering with main one knowing that early replies usually gets the most amount of merit so this woudn't be a first one.
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What I have only noticed about Cantsay is that he use to post like 3 to 5 words (which would only take some seconds ) so that he can fast post on a new thread, and later immediately edit it to make it longer. There have been many threads I noticed this about him which likely are not Nigerians as the OPs.

I am not implying that Dextro1 may not be his alt, or his friend, but that has been his habit that may convince me that the account Dextro1 may not be his alt.
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The post was edited about ten minutes later and I can't say how it looked originally, but it's not at all realistic to me that someone wrote it in just 44 seconds and I assumed that it was a pre-prepared post that was just copy/pasted.
Here's how it looked like- https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6304/63047044.html

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Welcome to Bitcointalk.org

The purpose is to be the first guy to respond so that they can get attention from people who share merits in that section as he admitted.

Edit- If I'm correct there was a guy who used to create new accounts and post questions from new accounts while from their main account, they used to share the pre-generated answer which helped him get more merits. Not sure if it's the same case here too, we really can't decide from one of such responses. If Cantsay used to do this a lot of times, then maybe he is also follwing that tricks.
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I'm not in the habit of accusing someone just like that and I had no intention of opening this topic, but the sequence of events gives me a hint that I'm on the trail of possible merit abuse and a possible alt farm.

Yesterday I came across the following topic I'm new here in the B&H board and what first caught my attention was the post that was published only 44 seconds after the topic was opened. The post was edited about ten minutes later and I can't say how it looked originally, but it's not at all realistic to me that someone wrote it in just 44 seconds and I assumed that it was a pre-prepared post that was just copy/pasted.

Furthermore, the second thing that caught my attention is that this post received 4 merits in total, 3 of which were from newbie @Turn it off.

The third thing that is definitely suspicious to me is that today that topic is locked, and I sincerely doubt that the reason is that someone reported that topic to the moderators (after all, for what reason?), and newbies usually don't have the habit of locking their topics.

Of course I questioned @Cantsay and he tried to justify himself in some way.

Another interesting fact, the OP (@Dextro) is Nigerian, and so is @Cantsay.

Facts to consider:

1.@Cantsay responds to a post in just 44 seconds.
2.@Cantsay gets 4 merits, including 3 from the newbie who has earned a total of 8 merits so far.
3.@Cantsay in a way admits that what he is doing is a good way to earn merits and advertise his sig campaign.
4.The topic is locked to prevent further discussion, which only further indicates that the matter is being swept under the rug.

What seems to me that @Dextro1 is an alt account of @Cantsay, and also @Turn it off which served him to award himself merits.



Self-moderated only because of possible trolls who usually pollute such topics - not a single constructive post will be deleted.
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