Topic: Capitalism worship in this forum. (Read 210 times)

I believe people in general have more freedom, rights and liberties under capitalism than they do under socialism. That's the reason I support it.

Capitalism isn't perfect but I can't say I've seen anyone point out a system that is better.


In the USA, UBI would likely be a slight variant of social security with a different name. For those familiar with social security they may recognize reasons why such a system might be untenable. UBI could work in theory if its design and implementation were improvements on the existing social security system. Of course, there aren't many who know exactly what those improvements would consist of which makes things difficult as most would not recognize whether it were implemented correctly.

You have never seen capitalism at work anywhere on planet earth.  We have some modified bullshit going on over most of the world.  You can't knock capitalism since you have never seen it in action.  We are all enslaved by the central bankers.  They tie us down with different isms but it's bad for everyone. 

I don't see anyone worshiping Capitalism, it's just a natural way of life and a way to defend the indidivual liberties against the implementation of failed systems. If you are a socialist in a Bitcoin forum you will surely find many replies against you and it doesn't mean they are worshiping Capitalism.

Technology evolves, less workers are needed, the whole society benefit from the improvements (even the masses). So there is no reason for revolutions that will lead people to starvation and death again.

let us face it, most of the guys who are in this forum wants to earn a portion of the opportunities that bitcoin has to offer, some are here to earn and some to gain knowledge, but the fact that this forum is all about how to earn a dollar through hardwork, people are here mainly to earn, and that is how it is.

There are lots of choices to be made even whilst taking the rules into consideration. I for one don't think I worship Capitalism on this forum. Adhering to the dictates of a forum is key to its aims, objectives and sustenance.

Not me. I'm an anarchist in the historical sense, so I'm an anti-capitalist. I'm influenced most by market anarchists like Benjamin Tucker. Unfortunately, this usually means I disagree with everyone in the room, since most people see things as a spectrum of Capitalism<-->Marxism. Anarchism doesn't exist on that spectrum, since it opposes all hierarchical relationships.


I completely agree. For me, it mostly boils down to property ownership -- hence my handle. It's funny to me when people argue that those from the monied, property-owning classes -- who idly collect rent, profit and interest from the poor, and don't labor -- are "hard-working." Then we're told the people slaving away for shit wages out of desperation are lazy because they don't have money.


I'm ambivalent about UBI. It would provide relief to the poor and add some sense of sustainability to a system I'd prefer to see eradicated. It requires enforced taxation and centralized redistribution, which I oppose. I prefer mass revolution, where tenants and workers take their spaces back from the capitalists. I worry that a middle-of-the-road approach like UBI would inevitably appease the desire for mass revolution, in the same way that Democrats pacify the working poor while selling them down the river in the long term. These things seem inherently anti-revolutionary.

Capitalism and this forum are two opposites. The admins and moderators want the forum has developed. The newcomers and some of the participants in the high grade you want to earn on this forum. And here is the fight.
Victory admin, so how can he change the rules of this fight. As this happened 2 days ago with newcomers (+1 of the credit all binding) and correctly, that such rules introduced, because it's a lot of freeloaders who want the gray on the methods of earnings.

As for the third world countries. I understand these people. But they live in these conditions and do not change anything. Who are not satisfied they go to other countries, go to other jobs. And lazy remain.

You got the wrong idea, many people in the forum support capitalism not because they want to but because there is no other option, people claim that socialism or communism can work but that is not true, capitalism is the only system that has proven systematically that it can work for a long time, that doesn't mean that it doesn't have huge disadvantages but it works.

And if you take the time to analyze bitcoin and most cryptocurrencies in general you will see that they are based on capitalism, bitcoin does not allow anyone to take the money out of your pocket if you do not want to, basically you keep 100% of whatever money you make so there is 0% redistribution, and finally universal passive income makes sense only in paper, because who is going to pay for it?

Who pays the UBI?
Is UBI paid to those who dont work as a kind of basic living wage?
To me it sounds like the havs will to pay for the have nots!

I have also read some post like some people see guys who are not as rich as they are to be lazy, unindustrous, like they have been sleeping all their lives. Yes some poor people are lazy but not all rich people are also smart.

Everyone really praises being able to become a CEO so they are considered to have capitalist thoughts. This to me is natural because human nature is always not satisfied and wants to get more.

I'm against UBI, but i'm also against taxation. I feel like people should choose what they want to share and who they want to help. Charities used to work wonders for poor people without the need for socialist ideas.
UBI may work in a wealthy society where most people have jobs and working to sustain yourself is easy. In countries with very high unemployment and poverty UBI will not change much.

UBI seems like one of those great ideas that might look fantastic on paper but I fear it wouldn't work out in reality. Humans have a tendency to adapt to their situation quite rapidly. Many are hardworking out of necessity and if that necessity was removed you may find that changes. I think UBI would only work in the situations that offer an incentive still to work but I don't know how that incentive will be big enough that it encourages enough people will still being economically viable.

Not true (at least for myself).


You always have a choice, sort of free will. It you don't want to be poor forever, then by all means do whats necessary for you. I was born in a 3rd country as well, but my parents chooses wants best for us. Luckily they know the value of education that's why we've get up with the stereotype of being 'poor'.


Well take that opportunity so that you can also get out from the shackles of capitalism.


If you really wanted to learn more about UBi then I suggest you read this link:  (http://politics.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190228637.001.0001/acrefore-9780190228637-e-116). Specially about Social Justice and Basic Income: Key Debates.

It seems as though the majority of this forum are capitqalism worhsippers, ceo worshippers, blame the poor for making stupid decisions.

Let me clue you guys in, there is a lot of luck involved with how our lives turnout and for people born in the 3rd world country working in factory jobs work harder than all the CEOs.  No one is self made, we all rely on each other in this society.

Universal basic income doesn't make people lazy, it actually gives people more opportunities to excel and crime rates would plummet.  UBI is actually owed to the citizens because all land has become privately owned and resources extracted, its just a dividend to every human on this planet which we share.

I've looked at the data, uncoditional UBI makes complete economic and social sense.  A lot of jobs are "bullshit jobs" anyways which serve no real purpose.  Most of the jobs are becoming automated anywyas so UBI is absolutely necessary or there will be mass revolution.