Topic: Cashback with wagering requirements and same bonus make sense? (Read 704 times)

I think bonuses and cashbacks are different, but with what you are experiencing, there may be an update made by the casino and they may not tell you about the update, even though at first you were sure that the email you got was about a bonus but over time it changed to a Cashback which will be obtained when your balance runs out, indeed if you say cashback of course it will happen when we have run out of balance but with what is called a bonus it usually happens when we have made a deposit.
In addition, we should be able to be careful in doing anything including seeing the updates made by the casino, but if there is no news of this update or change, it is also difficult, unless we ask for it directly but that is also impossible because most of us are the opposite, even though there is a notification or update always ignore it.

There have been cases where casinos have changed the ToS without any notice... but it doesn't go unnoticed for too long, someone on this forum notices and lets everyone else know. Some casinos have twisted rules for their bonuses at the very beginning, but that's their choice and right to make everything how they want, just like we players have the right to look for a better casino that offers us more.

After all, if the conditions are bad, the casino will not attract players, or if there are players, they will slowly go to other places. This is precisely why some casinos are more successful than others, they offer more features and better conditions.

Is that true? I myself have never experienced it by having to pay a price to get a bonus, but what I experienced was when I chose the bonus feature there were certain requirements, namely where the withdrawal amount had a minimum amount set, when I gambled without choosing the bonus feature then I could withdraw my winnings with an amount that was not set, whether the profit had been obtained 5% or 10%, but when I chose the bonus feature then the winnings that would be made must be with the minimum amount set, usually this is double the amount of the deposit made.

In addition, I think when the casino makes an update they always notify their players by passing a message or notification on their personal account, it's just that many people or players ignore things like this, I myself am one of those who often ignore notifications made by the casino because I gamble without too much detail, making a deposit and gambling that's all I do.

If you are a type of gambler whose really that not a fan on reading up on sites terms and conditions then most likely you would really be ending up on potential issues on which it is really that against their TOS.
You will really be able to realize only on the time or moment that you've seen yourself violating their terms. It will really be that normal that casinos will really be trying it out to elaborate into those people or persons who do really be able to violate and will really be clarified into them.If it turns out that they have altered out the terms and conditions and you have been able to read it up earlier and you've seen such sudden changes then you are really that dealing with a shady site. This is why on the moment that you do make out some deposits on a site then always consider out their reputation on which this is really that always important on this case.
You cant really just that make out some deposits without having those considerations. Speaking about cashback and wagering requirements are really just that normal specially when it comes to wagering because they wont really be letting out those gamblers who are really that taking those bonuses. They will really be setting out something that will really be that at their advantage.

how cunning the casino is in deceiving its customers, indirectly they have reduced the reputation of their casino, we very often ignore the TOS that applies in each casino, but the casino uses it to deceive its customers

These initial deposit bonus or amount of wager based bonus works if your wagering amount is large or you are a heavy gambler. Almost all of gambling have a small house edge be it casinos or sportsbook. In multiple bets you win or loss would be just a small percentage of what you bet. Any bonus are better than nothing. And if you get a bonus more than that, it's beneficial one. Though these users would be hard to retain when the bonus period ends. That's why many casinos have regular bonuses of different kinds.

Very well said, yes the gamblers get enticed by the gambling platform's offers and in excitement they deposit huge amount of money in hope to earn free bonus by completing wagering requirements but they don't know that most casinos do that to trap new users and they can change their TOS without any notifications even within days. As far as I know, there's always a price to pay if someone wants to earn money from those free bonus and the ones who understand that will always avoid bonuses.

That is why if we get their promotion sent into our email, we must make sure what is the requirement so we don't misunderstanding and can know if we can fills the requirement or not. That is important because we must responsible to our money and not just take the promotion without think about the requirement.
The casino will use many marketing strategies so we should be wise which one we can take and which we should leave it. That can prevent us from wasting our money participate in the wrong promotions.
If we doubt with the promotion, we can ask to their support system so we can understand. We don't have to force to participate in all promotions they have if we thinks that is too difficult for us.

Surely, this isn't unique to the casino you are referring to. I mean, that casinos only allow bonuses to be spent after you spent your main funds isn't surprising. But I wonder if the words in the terms are that straightforward-- "bonus will just take effect if my main balance will lose first."

Also, is it not possible to just comply with the wagering requirement of your main balance and then withdraw it, leaving only the bonus or perhaps a small amount in your wallet?

Before making a deposit, I study everything very carefully and it will also be a great action to ask the support of this casino everything in advance and clarify any little things that we do not understand, this is what they work for.

I think that many players are always in a hurry to make deposits to start playing quickly to win, but do not even read all the conditions. Sometimes I want to ask them why they decided that they will win even if they cannot do such simple actions. Probably because many players perceive that they will get easy money there and will not even have to understand anything, in vain they think so.

Most of these misleading promotions tend to come from newer casinos and more unfortunately, is that sometimes even they scam you when you complete it. While a 30% cashback sounds so good, but it’s a red flag when something like that has wagering requirements.
It’s a bad deal to think that you are getting a deposit bonus only to find out that it’s actually not, but a cashback that only activates once your main balance is totally lost. This kind of tactics where they call it a deposit bonus in the email and then reveal more different and hidden terms in the terms, is a common way casinos try to get new deposits.

However, reading the ToS stays more important than ever these days. These types of bonuses can easily trip up players who expect 0 conditions. So, for the best you need to always double check the terms to avoid such surprises.

Casinos nowadays are use many ways to recruit many players to deposit, one other way is spamming via email with sweet promises. if the customers are negligent, and can not read properly what they get, they will be trapped. I've experienced with that, after deposit I can't get what their promised because I don't read properly their TOS. So, with this case, I suggest a new player to read properly their TOS, and sometimes I will make sure by asking it on contact support, and screenshot conversation.

You are right, deposit bonus and cashback are two different things. Cashback and rakeback are available in some casinos (in most of them), but if they come with a wagering requirement, then it's not very good. I came across this in Rocketpot, they have some system (daily, weekly, monthly) and that cashback is like an airdrop, when I click to accept (a few dollars) it comes with a wagering request, it's funny...

Well, some casinos are fair and have good conditions for all the benefits they offer, some have hidden pitfalls that can be very unpleasant. It's generally worth reading the ToS first, and who doesn't learn when they come across all that while playing on the site.

Even until now I don't believe it and never take a deposit bonus or anything like that, (except for the bonus drops)
Since having a slightly bad experience in the past in a similar case, I always doubt the deposit bonus offered via email or other advertisements. Because for me it is indeed a way for casinos to attract the attention of gamblers and my mind always tries to think positively if it is impossible to get a bonus that easy.
Except as I said regarding the bonus drops (at my favorite casino) which makes more sense with the total wager requirements and we can easily get it.

And here I will not blame any party because maybe OP is tempted and only wants to try with a small amount to get experience and the casino does something like that because it is their way of promoting their casino.

you are right, marketing strategies are indeed diverse. and many are fooled by the promotion. therefore, it is important to first read the terms and conditions of the promotion being carried out.
the language used in the promotion is indeed very attractive, especially the issue of discounts and finances. I myself do it when promoting a product.
so my advice to OP, still read the terms and conditions first. don't immediately decide without reading in detail what is being promoted and how the promotion applies.

Usually, cashback is different from the deposit bonus. That is true, you will only accumulate your cashback depending on how much you wagered for certain session/s. However, the percentage varies from one casino to another or if they are having this feature in their casino. Thus, need to check their features and don't expect that every casino has this perks.


Every reward/perks offered by the casino has certain conditions to be met. So don't rush yourself depositing to the site because you have seen such promotional offer. Always check the terms attached to it, if you think it is achievable, then, why not? But if not, better let go such offer because more than likely, you will just lose all your bankroll before you complete the requirements for such reward.

I guess these are sort of marketing strategy which is part of their promotions that shows highlight only of the percentage not the totally terms of it so people get easily courage to play and deposit it seems that you already identified the event works. Still i consider that the deposit bonus is different from the cashback because in deposit bonus you will be credited upon deposit and then the cash back will be credited during the progress of the game lets say cashback = total deposit/wager requirement.

x10 wager with a bonus is really that actually less in compared into those platforms who do really that making use of 20-35x rollover and if we do speak solely with deposit rollover on which this would really be sitting around on 2x the deposit on which its not that bad at all but with those other bonuses then its not really that actually shocking and they do have the full rights on how they should set up things. They wont really be running up a business that it wont turned out to be at their advantage on which it is really that understandable that they would be having the edge. This is why its really that very wrong that you would be assuming out that you could easily get out with those bonuses. Yes, it will be giving out that more bankroll that you do need but come to think that roll overs will really be fucking you up big time as you do go ahead. You will be finding out that those requirement would be pesky and will hinder you out on making up withdrawals in the end. lol. This is why on the moment that you will be having that worst experience with bonuses and its rollovers then you will definitely be aware on next time and you will really be ending up on avoiding it on next time. Usually newbies will really be that victimized on this one because they do really believe that this is something that could give out that advantage because you do have more but of course those are really that wrong perceptions and you will really be that able to make those realizations in the end of the line.

It's your fault for not reading the ToS, I agree, but do you believe that the casino acted correctly in sending the advertisement to your email!?
How many people do you think actually read the ToS?

Regardless of what is written in the "fine print", I believe that every website needs to at least have "character" and act in a fair manner without the need to try to deceive its customers in order to increase its profits.

It's true that marketing is what drives business, but acting in bad faith and trying to take advantage of rules that are highlighted much less than the "email cover" is acting in bad faith.

I would certainly deposit my last money on this site and look for other options to have fun.

Trust and seriousness are essential nowadays, especially when we have several great options to bet on.

I like how you say "only x10 wager" yet this is an incredibly high amount and way more than you would usually find on big offers. What sort of sum of money are we talking about here? I am often put off these sort of promotions if they even mention 2x wager requirement and wouldn't dream of taking one that required x10. It is a way for casinos/sportbooks to get people to advertise "we match 300% up to $5,000" type offers when in reality they know that the player will lose all of their money long before they ever get to cash anything out and would be lucky to walk away with $10 from the offer. Always read the terms thoroughly and make sure you know what you have to do, sometimes it's better to just ignore such offers entirely.

I salute those who at least give a hint about it in the bonus page but if there isn't any rule written, i don't take time going on the TOS anymore. It seems that I already know what to expect there.

I'm having a hard time understanding it at first but after reading it a few times, I think what you are saying is we must ignore the bonuses offered but just play according to our goal if whether we are playing for fun or for the profit. That is a good advice actually. When I play I also have this mindset. I can only have an exception if I see a flash message which says a "completely free offer with no strings attached" is available or if there is a bonus that only has a "1x wager requirements".

It can only be rare though judging on how easy they are to get and it's going to be damaging to the side of the casino. If ever we are playing on a casino that has a cashback feature, this can only be an extra bonus to us and this should be the real definition of a bonus, since you can always get it no matter what.

This must be true. It's only crazy that most of them have this "send a feedback" feature and users will also get rewarded if they like the feedback or suggestion. I filled up a lot of them but I haven't gotten any response or rewards. It would be better if they just removed this kind of feature because it is only useless.

10x wager requirement is a bit fishy.

Because usually the casinos will give you certain requirements on that also. For example say if you do it in sport bets they want odds are least 1.5 or something. So the chances to lose everything become very high because each wager you have at least 40% chances to lose it all. For instance, chances to win on 50% odds, to win 10 times in a row you have to do 0.5¹⁰... The odds are under 1 in a thousand! This is why deposit deals should be avoided.

Yes that's right, I think it would be much better if everyone especially novice gamblers had a mindset like yours, but unfortunately as often happens that there are always some of them who are too easily tempted by everything that looks tempting without considering and thinking first about the various possibilities that could happen which in the end not infrequently they experience various unwanted things such as experiencing problems in withdrawals or deposits or even much worse.

Actually, regardless of anything, not all casinos that show tempting bonuses end up committing fraud, there are always some casinos that are good and provide good services such as providing real tempting bonuses for gamblers without being based on reasons that lead to fraud at the end of the story, and this is why gamblers should be wiser in choosing a casino, reputation is the first thing to consider.

One lesson I learned very early on when I started gambling was that we always have to deposit money to play without counting on a bonus and we always have to look at the money we deposit as a lost amount, which is why I don't create an account at every casino I see. Even if the casino is offering a great sign-up bonus, I don't create an account at the casino. I prefer to continue using the casino that is in my signature and I use it because I like it. Now, what I have noticed is that many people like to chase casinos that offer great bonuses and sometimes they don't take the time to research whether the casino is honest or not and they don't read the casino's TOS about the bonus. Nowadays, it is difficult to see any casino offering a sign-up bonus that has wagering requirements that people can meet.

We can say it if the terms is not written somewhere on the site, but if the terms is written then we cant judge like that.
I remember that Fortunejack did something similar in the past (not sure now) where our wager (when taking bonus) will be counted once we lose our initial deposit.
At that time the terms is clearly written in their terms of the bonus, so once players take the bonus, the players cant complain about it because we all as players agree with terms when we take the bonus regardless we read the terms or not before taking the bonus.

"Based on that explanation, it’s clear—this casino is playing dirty. They’re hiding the truth and fooling gamblers with a fake bonus program. If you just read their ads, it’s easy to fall right into the trap, and sadly, innocent people end up losing money, believing they actually have a shot at winning big. But the sad reality is, they’re the ones getting taken advantage of.

Scam sites are everywhere now, so it's more important than ever to read the TOS and stay on alert to avoid becoming a victim. Rushing in rarely ends well—especially if money’s on the line and greed’s in play."

Reading the TOS is important in knowing the rules that they're hiding to the claimant of the bonuses that they're spreading to their users. The casinos are a business and they know more the ins and outs of how to make someone deposit because of those alerts and notifications about how much giveaway that they've given to anybody. It's not my hobby to get into bonuses and when I do, I make sure that it's totally free and doesn't have some hidden charges and deposits or any rules that I have to spend more penny than of the bonus.

You are right, reading the TOS first would hurt, but also, even without reading the TOS, it's worth noting that casino, any casino, would rarely allow you to earn money through them. They can do that on rare occasions to attract more users to their platform, but normally all those promos won't make them lose money, they would go bankrupt otherwise.

Very normal on the moment or time that a certain gambler or user will really be reading up sites terms and conditions on the moment that they will be experiencing some issues about their deposits + bonuses.

If this was your first time on acquiring these bonuses then you should really be that getting used to it. They will really be always that making those deposits lose first before the bonus amount will really be starting to count
with that wagering requirement. Actually that 10x rollover is really that something appealing or something which is really that less in compared into those 20-30x roll over but what sucks on this
rule is that it do make that first counting with your capital first before bonuses on which this do really sucks.

One of the main reason on why i dont really love or want to tend to activate bonuses because of these wagering requirements. I do rather prefer on having that deposit wagering only on which it will really be
only x2 for you to be able to get out. If you are really that playing for the sake of fun then it will really be that up to you whether you do care with those wagering requirement or not.

Deposit bonuses and cashback are two different things but in essence both give gamblers bonuses but with different scenarios, and another thing of course reading ToS is an obligation for a gambler so that they avoid unnecessary mistakes, you have done it unknowingly but it's good that you realize that it is your own fault.

So maybe I can say that the unwanted thing happened because you were not careful in responding to the bonus so that you took the wrong action, every time I gamble I often find such bonus offers especially in some types of local online casinos in my country which even offer a 100% deposit bonus, it looks tempting because that way you can play longer and maybe with a large balance you will be a little closer to victory, but one of the reasons why I prefer to ignore it is because of the many requirements that seem unreasonable or impossible to pass, you should know that in the end the promotional scenario will only benefit the casino.

Reading the ToS is a must for a gamblers, whether they are a novice or veteran gamblers because we know that the rules will be different from all casinos. If we are confuse with the ToS and don't want to ask to the support system, we don't have to take the bonus and leave it like that. Many promotions and bonuses from casino that we can takes in the future so no need to worry if we miss one or two promotions.

The casino will gives more to their members and makes them satisfy so we can playing gambling as usual while waiting for the bonuses that we want and we can to fills it.

That is very true. Some casinos would spice their site updates on personal to their customers or the audience and technically believes that the bettors attention would be more focused on the texts sent by the casinos and ignorant of bettors to do their research or probably verifying through the ToS of the casinos becomes a disappointment to the bettor because the story could be a compromise.

Aside that, we can be lured by scammers when we find such email or text as a golden opportunity when we can not compromise to do our proper researches for legal verification.

It's not surprising. Of course, the casino uses these methods to attract players (first deposit bonus) and keep them (cashback on losses). But usually very difficult conditions are set there, which, of course, must first be thoroughly studied before depositing money into the casino. Personally, I don't like bonuses. It's like some kind of ropes on your hands, well, or annoying duties, because of the wagering requirement. But this is an exclusively subjective opinion.

Who has the luxury of time to read ToS, whether online or offline? I doubt a great number of people do read that, whether on casinos or banks. There's a good reason the ToS part is always written in tiny prints or it's too lengthy than necessary and that's to technically frustrate people from reading that part. That's what I think and it won't be far from it. I once had to close a bank account within two days of opening it because of its ToS which the bank pointed out to me when I got into a tight corner with them. There was no way I could've seen that because it was almost like hidden. These guys know their deceit.

On the cashback thing; no one has to rely on that and think they can maximize that bonus. It's all hoax.

And even worse, not only because cash back is not a very good deal (yes, better than nothing, but still), but because it seems that the promised deposit bonus was the fundamental reason for joining that casino and not another.

In civil law, you can litigate and seek for some kind of compensation if you are harmed by an unfair clause; but if the error was so big that you would have not agreed or made the decision if you had known it, then the agreement should be considered null and void.

I don't think the OP's deposit is so large that it is worth suing the casino for that reason (is it?), but what is clear is that the offering was misleading and that this kind of practices are a very bad sign from a casino that, IMO, should be avoided.

Bonus is what I fear the most in gambling today but thanks for the reminder of reading the Ts&Cs of casinos. Nowadays I seldom read them because I do not opt for bonuses again, if it is just $5 I have it in my account with a better level of control, it's okay by me. Even if your former thought was right, saying I have to wager x10 of my money is not convenient to me not to say I will have to lose my money first before I have access to the bonus. It's our choice though but let's always choose wisely and not gamble in a way that will cause bonus-induced emotion.

Sometimes, there are many conditions to avail yourself of a certain kind of promo that a casino might be offering. It’s always important to read the fine print thoroughly and understand what you need to do to get that promotion and have it in your account. It’s going to be rough if you don’t, so I agree with the OP to read the fine print, etc.

Most times there's always a clause to whatever that seems too good to be true, so it's very important to read between the lines to find out what it is. Most of us makes the mistake of not diligently reading through TOS, we might just hurriedly glans through without really making sense of what is written. These gambling sites wants to entice their customers to make deposits, that is why they'll give them bonus promises, and the gambler will be excited to claim it, not knowing that there's a price before they can use the bonus. It's a lesson for us to always scrutinize anything that is a giveaway, whether it's favorable to us or not.

Let's just stop with the whole thing about reading the Terms and Conditions first and that casinos are not to blame!
This is deceiving advertising and that's it, they always come up with excuses, terms hiding in text written in 1pt font, a ton of mumbo jumbo in the explanations in the bonus terms, and so on, and this is only because they know they can get away with it!

Everyone here saying that you should read the terms and conditions how would you feel if you saw a promo of 30 cents per kilo of bananas and at the checkout someone told you that you have to buy at least 5 kilos of it and 10 ice cream packs because that's in the terms and conditions of the store? Let's stop defending these practices just because they ar in the ToS, a garbage practice doesn't become morally right because it's legal.

The only time I suggest taking a bonus is when you are just testing a new casino. Count the money you deposit as a loss as soon as you deposit and use the bonus to explore the games the casino has to offer. I have taken a few deposit bonuses in the past and have cleared the requirements maybe 5% of the time. It's super hard and the casino knows that.

Previously, I myself never took the bonuses provided or offered by the casino because of certain conditions that I think make my gambling not so free because there are benchmarks that become withdrawal requirements. However, another thing with cashback I always take it because it happens without any requirements, just suddenly the balance in my account is filled with a comparison of the balance that I allocated previously, this cashback occurs once a week.

Apart from that, I have several friends who also like to gamble and the difference is that he always takes the bonuses or promotions offered by the casino.
I noticed the gambling he did, previously he deposited an amount of around $ 50 because he took the promotional feature offered the balance that entered his account became $ 80, this is profitable but the withdrawal requirement is that he can withdraw if the balance has reached twice the capital and the bonus obtained, which is around $ 160, this makes me a little uncomfortable because I myself if I allocate $ 50 and I have reached $ 100 then I prefer to withdraw it rather than having to continue risking it.

Yes, that's a very useful advice to everyone, and I believe everyone should follow it to be safe from such ToS issues. It's not really a good thing that some casinos do and that's why a user should be aware of such things before making any deposits in order to gain advantage from the bonus.

Well, I don't blame the gambler, because betting houses may not give clear explanations about their promotions, so they attract a larger number of customers, even though they are there simply because they misunderstood the terms of the promotion, which looked interesting and worthy at first sign.

Fact is that hardly ever you will find a worthful promotion to be joined. Casinos don't make any effort to benefit their customers these days. It's actually a common phenomeon observed in every industries which have as public target the masses as main consumers of their services.

It's easy to deceive the masses. Meanwhile, they don't demand high quality from the services offered. Therefore, it doesn't encourage businesses to give their best to please the customers.

Most bonus programs or perks have their certain conditions set, so you really need to be very careful in availing those perks. In most cases, the terms are very small to read and their baits are big. So the players thought that the bonus is quite good, but if they start reading the terms, that's when you will tell yourself that it is quite hard to complete like the wagering requirements.


The bonuses are one of the attractions in the casino. But the player should know that there are conditions attached to it. Because if the casino will just give the bonus for free, for sure, abusers will be there and they will be bankrupt if they are just giving free money for nothing. Of course, they need to set rules or protocols before availing such perks from their site. Every raffle or competition has their own rules and so with the bonuses of the casino.

Why not collect it. It is just a bonus and it will not take anything from you. But if you do not want to gamble or have time to gamble, you can just overlook it. If I am gambling on a site and I am given such a bonus, I will only be expecting that if I lose my money, I will be given some percentage of the amount lost back. But what the OP is complaining about is that the gambling site did not specify that it is cashback and he thought it was deposit bonus. I think such site is shady if they do not specify and let gamblers think it is a deposit bonus.
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I see what you mean. The fault was purely that of the casino. I think there was a miscommunication between whoever sent the email to the OP that he had a deposit bonus and the person who was responsible for awarding the bonus on the account of the OP. To your first question, like I already wrote, cashback is like giving money from the right hand and collecting back from the left. Even if it is a bonus, it is too stringent and unfair. It is even a bigger trigger for those who are addicted to fuel their addiction and continue for a long time trying to get their cash back from a hopeful win.

The requirements casinos use to place this advert is quite a unique one. It contains several compulsory things to do that must benefit the casino more compared to the user. My friend fell for a casino advert, I dont want to mention the name. But he was given free $10 to bet in the casino. After betting in the casino with the $10 he won $16 but was only allowed to withdraw $6 leaving the $10 in the casino. 

Exactly this is why it's very necessary to read the terms and conditions given by the casino, so as to know when to tackle such issues like this on time. Alot of casino sites don't really care about your thoughts but they are majorly concern about their benefits which includes some Cashback and bonuses. But for me while using Casinos I think one should deposit an amount of money be it a small or big to carry on their process because having an available Cashback is just like a bait they set up to lure gamblers.

That is a strange casino to say the least, most casinos who offer you the deposit bonus and wagering requirements are starting as soon as you start gambling, it is easy to get the bonus in most casinos and just x10 wager is easily achievable with dice 98% chance to win strategy, usually it gives you for the amount you deposit much more than x10 if done with the right currency and the right amount as bet in autobet, this is how most people become high level VIP-s in no time in most well known casino and this can be a good way as I said to be profiting from such bonuses, of course it needs a high balance to achieve that, like 100 dollars and to be played in IDR currency for example as it means almost 1.6 million IDR-s to increase your rank and profit from the bonus with a 1000-2500 IDR base bet for the strategy mentioned.

This is similar to when Binance's tasks were introduced, offering a $50 reward if you deposited or traded a X amount of money, although it was specified with tiny letters that it was a trading rebate fee reward and not $50 in your balance. The misleading bonuses are a common practice of many casinos to attract new players and deposits; it has been mentioned quite a few times here that it's extremely rare they come with no strings attached. This is the main reason I'm rarely paying attention to them.

It is normal practice where most bonuses comes with some requirements because there is no bonuses which is 100% free.
This is why it is always important to read the whole terms when we are interested to take any bonus offered by the casino.
For more specific bonus as what you mentioned "cashback", some casinos may have different terms because there are casinos that give cashback without wagering requirement as well.
We need to be more selective, at least reading the terms is must thing to do so we can choose which casinos that offer bonuses as what we like.

You are not alone by not reading ToS because I am sure many people experienced that matter. Many times we forget that every promotions from casino have its requirements such as wagering requirements or else.
I am not chase the promotion anymore because I know there are many requirements that I can not meet. So I just deposit some money to gambling and whatever the result, I will go out from the casino.
That will not make us regret because we only gambling when we want and with limit money. But for those who want to chase the promotions, you need to make sure to read the ToS.

What a nice advise, i always made mention that it is very important that we look well into the conditions attached on every offer they are giving us before we apply, most especially on their ToS, we shouldn't be enticed alone, but we must know what's in there for us as well as the conditions attached before we give on for submission, as part of paying negligence to things like this, we have seen a number of gamblers complaining scam on casinos without knowing they are the one actually at fault.

That's a poor way of doing business. You don't have to make it obvious that you are indirectly taking back the money from the gamblers. I know they ought to make money but isn't the money gamblers lose enough for them? When we calculate how much has been lost in a bet it's enough for the casino to tap into those funds and pay the tax for each to their government. It's unfair because gamblers keep losing and winning, paying taxes whether they win or lose.

If this is true, it's actually funny to me because they don't expect you to lose first before giving you the cash back bonus. So, do they mean you have to lose x10 wagering before they can give you the bonus?

If you actually read the ToS correctly and they didn't mention that a specific amount must be wagered and losed, the  you can just stake with little amount in a game that you will experience loses.

The casino that am using doesn't require you to lose first before you get a cash back, they just need you to wager at least a certain amount and you will be credited the cash back.

Exactly, such cashback offers, promotion, whatever it is you get from my casino's, is to get you excited, get interested in depositing and playing more games. One thing we need to understand, always and always remember, is that these casinos were built first for their profit, before they think of you. So when you see a promotion, you should check where they are profiting from, and then check if it will actually profit you, before you make a move.

Just like you said, it's giving you with one hand and collecting with the other hand, nothing goes for nothing, it's not free. So if you want to try out the cashback or the bonuses, when you see it, maybe you do a minimal deposit. Unfortunately, some of the requirements need you to deposit a certain amount or play a certain number of games. That's where the issue is.
But if you are willing to try, go ahead, if not, then don't accept.

Why not collect it. It is just a bonus and it will not take anything from you. But if you do not want to gamble or have time to gamble, you can just overlook it. If I am gambling on a site and I am given such a bonus, I will only be expecting that if I lose my money, I will be given some percentage of the amount lost back. But what the OP is complaining about is that the gambling site did not specify that it is cashback and he thought it was deposit bonus. I think such site is shady if they do not specify and let gamblers think it is a deposit bonus.

I always choose to not accept these cashback pure because of their wagering requirements. As someone described it, it is giving the player money with the right hand and collecting it with the left hand. But do I blame the casino? No. It is business and it is optional. The casinos has to be in business and stay in business that's one way to remain profitable. Secondly since they don't mandate players to accept it, then any player who does must stick with the rules.

Not exactly however casino that doing this tactics is relying on gamblers laziness on reading the ToS to trapped money inside while completing the mandatory x1 wagering of the deposit in case player decided to back out on clearing the bonus.

But only mediocre casino do this while most reputable casino always emphasize everything on the ToS and requirements is not shitty like this which even a deposit bonus can only be wager to clear if the deposit is already loss which means it requires the player to lose first before the6 can use the bonus and wager using bonus amount itself only.

One of the most misconceptions or newbie gamblers would definitely be able to go pass on or something that we will really be experiencing on which we do really thought that the casino
is really that giving some free money on which to add up into your balance on which it would really be giving out that kind of boost up with your emotion that you do have that bigger
bankroll on which you could be able to play even longer but as time goes by on which on the moment that you would really be gonna tending to make some withdrawal then it would
make you scratch your head on what the hell is wrong with your withdrawal on why its locked or not available. You would really be able to realize that you are already that
needing to reach up some wagering threshold for you to be able to make yourself that having that withdrawal on which most likely gamblers do really end up on blowing up their
account balance first before they could be able to do it. hahaha

I try to avoid any bonuses while gambling, it just add extra pressure in my opinion with the wagering requirement and other mathematical terms to claim a little, I will just take a pass and do it as I wish. I am not expecting everyone to be same as mentioned but if you want to enjoy the extra perks then make sure the strings attached to it, cause no one really gives away free money.

Perhaps that could be another way most platforms has discovered to get people into making a deposit on their betting site even when a gambler may not have a plans of depositing any money, actually is funny to see how they would only explain the part that will get the attention of the gambler on the email so that the gambler will not bother himself reading through their ToS but at the end if there is any complaint about the bonus they would ask the gambler to read their ToS, however I also made a similar mistake one certain time when I got the mail to make a deposit and received %15 bonus of my deposit amount and I was moved into it and make a deposit but nothing was given to me and when I complained their support told me the offer has expired when it was not up to two days I got the mail, so actually is very important to verify things before being moved by any offers.

On the email, the casino meant that it is deposit bonus or cash back bonus? I do not like when a gambling site will not boldly indicate that it is cashback. But if you are given a bonus, you also need to read the terms and conditions. I have noticed that the terms and conditions are not long at all and you can read and understand it within less than 2 minutes. The reason I do take my time to read the terms and conditions is because gambling sites give you bonus in a way you will have high probability of losing it.

Exactly, if it's too good to be true, then probably is. I also had the same experience with the OP years ago about a certain casino and I did fall for it. But now I'm also very careful on those cashbacks and other promotions. A wagering requirements is understandable, but it seems that there is big misunderstand from the OP and he has to learn it the hard way. And I guess for new gamblers here, yeah, read the ToS first and if you have doubts, then ask support before depositing and activating the deposit bonus. Of course this is promotion from casinos, but it's better to clear everything first so that you have your expectation fulfilled.

I have been plenty to received the promotion just like 30% deposit bonus or even 50% deposit bonus and why i received the email like this because i know this is only the promotion from the particular casinos to attract new players to playing at their casinos but those offers didn't tempting me because i know usually those promotion has wagering requirements which the requirements usually very high approximatelly 25x-35x even sometimes there was a particular casino required 40x requirements so what i want to says is nothing is free and if people want to gets the bonus then read carefully the ToS from the casinos and also make sure you playing the games which has 100% wagering for the bonus just like slot because playing this game can increase your wagering progress rapidly

You must always verify each promotion/bonus you are going to accept. It must also be clear that not all promotions are profitable. This could depends on your gambling habits, games that you like to play and so on.
In this specific case I will not blame the casino. Its only your decision join a promo or not..

This schenerio often happens to us and it is usually as a result of diving into singing up on a betting sites without making a Proper research. We are attracted to it due to the bonus used In the advertisement of such betting site. Believe me that most of the betting site usually come up with an amazing bonus offer on advert, which may not be entirely true only to leure people in and you see a difference thing. That's why It is good whenever we see such an offer we read the Tos to know the exact procedure before signing up or even depositing fund. Or we can check there review on Google playstore from different existing users or on trustpilot sothat if the Tos are not comfortable with us then you totally avoid it.

If we examine more clearly each email message received regarding the provision of bonuses by the gambling site we use, there is actually column that usually says terms and conditions, usually I always read it first and understand everything in the terms and conditions of the bonus.
But I don't know if you missed it and only read the message containing the deposit bonus, what is clear is that if we are interested in casino bonuses without understanding all the applicable terms and conditions, there will definitely be other things that might make us disappointed.
We must always remember this, don't let it happen again and we waste time and money in vain just for number of bonuses that we are chasing but we ourselves do not understand the requirements.

I have seen a rule like this in one of the casinos, that the wager requirement will start to count when we use the bonus balance but the bonus will start to be used when our deposit money is empty, so we really have to be careful and sometimes the wager requirement will be calculated differently between sports betting and casino games and also low HE games, so players really have to be very careful and read all the bonus rules because bonuses are not free money that we can just enjoy, and asking their live support if there is anything in doubt is the best way.

TBH, the wagering is not really the worst.

Cause it's only 10x while mostly deposit bonus is always minimum 35x waggering. IMO, these bad scheme is on (Name & Lack of information) & from my perspective taking a bonus in some casino are really2 not quite good for rightnow.

People already love with weekly, post, and other bonus stuff like these without waggering.

I'm not saying @OP blames the casino, he made a mistake and he has admitted it. Now all that's left is to teach people who haven't experienced this. I agree that we should thank to @OP for sharing his experience even though it was a bad one. Please, don't respond to this post anymore, because this will become a never-ending discussion later.

I think you should name the casino, after all this is a forum where all members can be properly informed...

I already wrote in the BetFury ANN thread about their new bonus conditions, and even though I said I would never play again with the bonus I did it again. After wagering a lot I got a bonus from their stuff, 75 $1 spins on one of the slots I play often... so I deposited $160 and from those 75 spins, I won around $130. I played like crazy, and in one moment I was over $700... then a huge drop to under $200. Long story short I completed the wagering requirements with over $280 balance. After pressing complete the bonus they deducted my balance to $199.



Support explained to me that while wagering I lost all my money first, so I ended up playing with only the bonus money... So my max win was $130 (money I won from free spins) x1.5, and how I get even a few extra dollars. This is indescribable nonsense... I don't know what is worse, the split balance where we spend our money first and then the bonus money, or the fact that the winnings are limited. Those are slots, we risk a lot to wager x40, and if we hit something nice during playing that doesn't count.

"Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"! Well, I am the stupid one here, I know that... I learned my lesson the hard way, once again.

Bottom line, if you see that one of the bonus requirements is "Max Claim" (the maximum amount to claim from the primal bonus) just close it... don't even try to play it, because if you win you will be more disappointed than if you lost.

Ha false advertising….

This is actually really bad on the platform if they are proven to be advertising false claims about their services but some platforms can get away with it by essentially confusing their customers.  They will be ominous and mysterious about a specific promo or maybe use complicated sentences that you won’t even realize what you are agreeing on. This way when you complain, they can show and say “look! i never said that” it’s all really dirty
Just make sure to read carefully every word if possible and stay curious.

Keep asking questions until everything is clear and understood because otherwise you’ll end up falling for these platforms and  their lack of information

Many gamblers do not read the detailed terms of promotions and bonus programs, which is why such misunderstandings occur. The first thing I personally learned for myself is not to pay attention to letters coming to my email (and not only from the casino), because due to inattention you can run into phishing links. The second is that the pursuit of promotions and bonus programs in most cases leads to unjustified expectations. It is easier not to participate in this than to be upset by unjustified expectations.

I'd say it just has to do with the nuance of the words used? Not sure how but they probably had some crumbs as details on their invitation towards their bonus that was sent to you. It's the usual marketing scheme really, and it's not only casinos that do this? Anything with bonuses like businesses like Amazon has some sort of drawback to it that would make you spend more first before anything else.


Sometimes I fall for it as well and at that point I just let it be. It'd just be rather tiring at the end to fight back and well, at the end it's still a sort of bonus, just not what I expected.

Every bonuses from promotion will have requirements so we must make sure that we are understand every rule. We can take the promotion after we read the terms and conditions from the promotions. Every promotion will have different rules so we must know about that and we can avoids misunderstanding.

Even if the promotion doesn't mention anything, we can ask to customer support if we are not sure so we don't make a mistake. It is better we don't chase the bonus from some promotions if we don't want to read the terms and conditions.

So it can be concluded that this is an indirect fraud, if it does not match what they write and practice, maybe this can be used as a reference if someone says that cashback deposits must be a little careful and avoid casinos like this.

exactly, always read the fine print especially when it comes to promotions/bonuses since they can have some rules that would take you by surprise since it is not stated on the promotion/bonus ad. I've seens instances of gamblers complaining here in the forum about bonuses/promotion because they thought they have completed the requirement but in reality they haven't because they didn't follow the ToS specific to that Bonus/promotion.

The OP is not blaming the casino for his challenge as he stated that it was his fault for not reading the ToS before maximizing the bonus offer. It is common to see the phrase "Terms and conditions apply" to almost every offer given by some betting companies as well as other organisations. Sometimes these offers are so attractive that we fail to read the ToS. Thank you for telling us about your OP experience because it will serve as a reminder to me and others.   

I have noticed this type of thing these days. But it was a local Casino in my country. The wager bonus was supposed to be 100% so I deposited 3k. I wagered it to 5k in the next 12 hours hoping to see my bonus but i didn't get it because it was all a lie. The funny thing is there was no rule in their TOS about losing first before receiving any bonus.

This is a reminder we should not gamble in any casino we just come across. Not all of them keep to their words. Some of them use the bonus to attract users at the end of the day those users never return to the platform again.

All bonuses have certain extra clauses added to it. Even freebets usually come with a timeframe to use them before they become invalid, so you should do well to read the exact terms before joining a bonus deal.

If a casino makes it difficult to get the exact details of a bonus offer or add to many terms and conditions which makes in altogether unattractive while only marketing it on face value, I may not be playing for long on that casino.

I and all of us can't blame the casino, it's all @AbuBhakar's fault for not finding out more about the offer he got. In my time of gambling, I have never once had a misunderstanding about a bonus or offer that came into my account, understanding it first is the most important thing to avoid misunderstandings. This thread can be a lesson for anyone in this forum so they can avoid similar cases in the future.

Yes, if it's too good to be true, doubt it.

10%, 20%, and I even saw 50% offers of cashback but if you really look deep inside after you signed up, you will see the difference. The problem is, you won't see this on the outside because they will try their best to keep it and only for the eyes of registered accounts. It's not about the TOS, it's the clickbait promotion that makes it wrong and they will make it confusing so it will be difficult to understand for many people until you make a mistake and forget to read carefully.
Not many gamblers read the TOS, that's common knowledge due to laziness, they always just want to register and play without looking into other information.

Those deposit bonuses are one of the reasons why i'm always strict about the kind of bonuses I should take. They make it sound too good on paper then hit you with the bonus requirements once you're on the site.

If you fall for it again, you should be able to cancel the cashback bonus and keep playing with your deposit.

I also made a similar mistake years ago. One of the new casinos I used automatically activated the deposit bonus after registration and it got me confused once my balance went up higher than what I put in.

Recently, I avail a special promotion sent to my email by a casino that I will not mention the name.

They offer me a 30% bonus on my deposit and the only requirements is just x10 wager so I become interested to deposit. As the game progress I notice that my wager doesn’t count towards my bonus so I ask for the support about the error. They point out to me that the bonus will just take effect if my main balance will lose first.

So this bonus categorized as cashback not a deposit bonus and worst it has wagering requirements. It’s my fault to not read the bonus ToS first but the email is clearly a deposit bonus.

Just be aware and always read the ToS, casino nowadays are using this method to encourage user to deposit thinking that it will be just a regular deposit bonus. Always read the fine print.