Topic: Cashing out BTC to paypal? (Read 2810 times)

Exactly, because you buy a game currency on VirWox first... what happens after that in your VirWox account and if you convert it to BTC, that doesn't matter to PayPal anymore. As same as it is forbidden by PayPal to buy tobacco from web stores. However, you can find tobacco websites where you can buy for example 50€ giftcards with PayPal, and then you spend the giftcard in the store on tobacco products and PayPal won't care. It's basically the same loop hole.

AFAIK VirWoX has a special deal with PayPal and is the only Bitcoin exchanger that is tolerated by PayPal

I use Virwox when I need my money on my paypal, the problem are the fees that comes along with it. Like bloodsuckers.

Yes, as said, the truth is, the fees add up there. It's horrible but if this is for whatever reason your only solution as you don't want to use your bank account for Bitcoin stuff as you are afraid it could be closed, this is the only option you have apart from P2P trades of course, as VirWox is very trusted. In case you have quite a lot of "big and random" online income, the fees won't matter that much. If you want to convert small sums, yea, it'll be horrible expansive. I have normal real life income + online income and I can live already from my usual income so that it doesn't really matter how much fees I pay on my online income as it is my extra money and I don't care if I have to split it up due to the fees while conversion.. this is the only reason why I am ok with the fees there.

Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.

So in my case, I would need to choose second option where I withdraw the bitcoins via PayPal. In that case, I would be paying a total of 7.8% + 1 EUR and in addition to that, PayPal charges me 4.5% + $0.34 since it's an Indian account.  I just have no words to describe how I am feeling right now 

You can find the fees in the FAQ as well here: https://www.virwox.com/help.php?language=en#_Fees

The fees are quite horrible. I do think they secure themself against customers who might chargeback with PayPal. I believe they compensate the risk with those high fees.
Anyway, I would still suggest them if you have big online income that you need to convert fast without going the bank route, or if you are afraid to use your bank account for crypto related stuff.

Anyway, the fees ad up there as you have to convert through several currencies and with each step there are fees. I'd collect large sums to be converted, I did set myself a treshold when I convert, I do not make small transactions as it is not worth due to the fees. So, if you have constant big online income it's still a very nice and option to convert via VirWox (although you will have limits with a new account).

To get to Bitcoin via Virwox and PayPal:

1. You add money via PayPal to VirWox


2. You convert the sum to the Second Life currency Linden Dollars (SSL).


3. You convert Second Life Linden Dollars (SSL) to Bitcoin


4. You could then send the BTC amount to your own BTC address of your desktop wallet or whatever you use


To get Bitcoin from VirWox to PayPal.

1. You create a BTC address on VirWox and send your BTC to this address


2. You convert your BTC to Second Life Linden Dollars (SSL)


3. You convert Second Life (SSL) to Dollars


4. You withdraw it to PayPal

Could you please tell me how VirWox works? I checked the FAQ and noticed that they accept deposits via PP/BTC but do they also allow exchanging bitcoins for PP? If so, what's the fee then?

I know VirWox since a decade as I am merchant and designer in Second Life. I can not tell you how often I exchanged between PayPal and VirWox back and forth, it happens at least twice a month since years. My PayPal account is still working, as same as my VirWox account. So, I think you are wrong. PayPal has no problem with VirWox.

PayPal does not allow any kind of exchange as far I know and they limit accounts who appear suspicious and those who gain money from gambling websites and exchangers. If one is receiving from a member then I doubt they will check the notes as well but they can if they want to make sure every account for legal transactions.

The main thing I don't like abut PayPal is the chargebacks. Why do they need to chargeback an account just because the buyer says the good is not received? They should properly verify the case and then credit the buyer. Here if I exchange bitcoins with a new member, there are many chances of a chargeback.

PayPal will freeze your account just for using Bitcoin, because it's against their terms of service

Who does freeze accounts? PayPal or VirWox? Both just freeze suspicious accounts. If you don't do anything shady, you don't have to be afraid to get problems with your account.

I got a visa card from e-coin.io. You can charge it with BTC, and link it to your paypal account, so that way you could convert and spend your BTC via paypal. Side note: dont sell all your BTC.  Who knows what it will be worth in a few years.

I don't deal with PayPal but do you know why they are freezing accounts?

If you trade with a few people some of them will mention "Bitcoin" in the payment reference part even if you tell them not to do this and PayPal occasionally checks user accounts.

The only company doing PayPal <-> Bitcoin with their permission is VirWoX.

And how does PayPal get to know that the cash was sent was bitcoin related? Is it depending on the site that sends the payment for bitcoins or if the note specifies the same?

I herd that LocalBitcoin is stable and reliable method to buy and sell BTC, but havent used them personally. If you decide to do this with individual, be sure to use escroe to protect yourself. Good luck!

I can confirm this. It happened to me 2 weeks ago.

Paypal will suspend your account if they somehow find out it is BTC related. They were still freezing accounts very recently.

better to use an escrow and cash out here on the forum, or localbitcoin, paypal is dangerous because of chargeback

https://localbitcoins.com

The website is quite trusted but I have no clue about the fee they charge. You can also try the Currency Exchange section.

I've had issues in the past using PayPal, but they do have some level of verification. Specifically name, address, tel, bank or CC, etc. The risk here is the chargeback. I suppose if you trust the person you're trading with you're OK.

The best way to go get off the books is a form of cash.

You can do it by localbitcoins and do it all in cash. Which I would recommend before that paypal option.

Instead of Virwox, ask a trusted reputed trade ron bitcointalk to do the trade for you and buy your bitcoins.

why you want to cashout to paypal only, there is risk of chargeback later
you can directly withdraw to your bank account via some exchanges or sell them for other currencies that don't revert transaction

Agree, Paypal is HUUUUUUUUUGE risk to you at this situation.

To cashout With PayPal u better find an exanger.
There are many scamers around waitting to screw members of this forum.
Good luck!

btc-e do paypal withdrawals
you can try them,

Just use localbitcoins and try and do it in smaller amounts to avoid a chargeback.

Depends on what you consider trusted. For what I consider trusted, he will have a very hard time finding someone willing to buy at 15%. Be very careful dealing with members here that will pay high fees like that..

Unless you absolutely know who you're dealing with and are confident they wouldn't claim for a chargeback after you send the coin, I'd highly recommend cashing out via some other payment system.

You can find lots of trusted users who will pay 15%+ fee for your bitcoin (using paypal) .. Just check currency exchange subforum

Do you only want to convert them for paypal? I suggest you to check this forum section : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=53.0   it will be helpful for you.

I have 5 btc I want to cash out... I was thinking with virwox but im not sure if they do? and if so how much exactly is the fee going to be or approximately?