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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

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Throughout its 35 years, various wardens either tolerated the casino or considered it a worthwhile distraction for the inmates. This changed in 1967 when a bill in the State Legislature to prohibit prison gaming was defeated in the Senate. Shortly thereafter, the State Prison Board used its authority to close the casino. The sandstone building which housed the casino was demolished.

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

If you consider that prisons are meant to be there as a form of punishment, in some cases for extremely sick and serious crimes, then finding new forms of entertainment for prisoners is not exactly going to be on the top of the ideas that the public will support. In fact prisons actually actively try to stamp out the small forms of gambling that prisoners try to get away with because it ends up creating debts and some people create debts they have no intention or even ability to play off. What would prisoners want to do more of after a day of officially sanctioned gambling? Continue it back in the prison block - they have very little else to do to fill their time anyway.

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currently I don't know of any casino that operates in a prison, but from the series and movies and reports that I watch on TV, I see prisoners playing cards and various games and they bet money, I believe that the guards collaborate with the prisoners so that they play and bet money even if it's something that's forbidden in prison, so my idea would be that at least the inmates could gamble by betting something that wasn't money and didn't harm anyone. with that, only prisoners could have fun in prison and they wouldn't be thinking about evil things, of course it's not an easy task to implement this, but for example if prisoners could bet on a coin created in prison that only works in prison and that only the price would change into cash on the day he gets out of prison legally or in case his death was converted into cash for the family then it would already be a benefit system for the inmate, I don't know if this could be done in the future but I think that would be something beneficial and useful for the prisoner

Quote from: acroman08 on September 21, 2022, 11:52:43 AM

probably not, I can already see an increase in gambling addiction inside the prison if they ever implemented it.

Addicts are everywhere, so I don't believe this would cause the number of addicts in prison to increase to a frightening level.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

probably not, I can already see an increase in gambling addiction inside the prison if they ever implemented it. also, as far as I know, inmates are not allowed to have cash inside the prison. to be honest I think the only reason why there was a casino inside the Nevada prison is due to corruption among the prison guards and whoever managed that prison.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

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It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

This is crazy, even the warden was on the payroll, there's no cheating when criminals arrange games! And it lasted for 35 years, what a crazy story this is! I am not judging or anything, people there had a lot of free time and they created this, but this is a lonely example, for people who were there in that time prison was an excellent time I guess.

This is the first time I have seen something similar, we should expect some movie from this...

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Quote from: Solosanz on September 21, 2022, 11:11:55 AM

I think sports betting can be found everywhere including an elementary school.

Yeah, as long as there is a sport^(s) where everyone bets, as long as the bettors agreed all the conditions, then it should go. Even it's not about money as long its considered as a bet then it will be.

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Criminals are supposed to change their lives inside for them to have at least a second chance to live a better life outside but they are even falling for gambling, drugs, and alcohol addiction. The government can't do anything to stop it because there are also officials that are involved in these activities in the name of money.

Depends on the countries, if there's a country allow to gamble, gambling isn't considered as a illegal activity and vice versa. Government can do anything since they have a whole power to control their country, but they want to get money from illegal gambling that's why they just close their eyes.

This was such case in my country in the last few years where casinos, drug laboratory are discovered inside prisons, and probably got destroyed by the past admin. I don't know if it's still there or a new one is made^{(possibility are higher though)} since the current admin is not that inflexible for crimes unlike the past admin.

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Quote from: Doell on September 21, 2022, 09:15:36 AM

For small gambling such as betting on sport events etc, there may still be many operating in prison, because a few years ago my cousin was in prison and told me all of his experiences, and even the prison warden is the intermediary. But for big casinos as far as I know that's not, because my country is very strict in gambling, even not just imprisoned at outside of that no one operates legally and has a license.

So we can assume that the stakes in prisons are still going on even though the people change from time to time. Of course, the involvement of the prison warden in dealing with gambling problems is a thing that is expected because it means the prison warden will get additional money to help inmates who gamble. Maybe as far as we know, there are no big casinos in prisons, but we don't know the truth. And if we see that many casinos are run by people who do illegal activities, likely, the casinos in prisons are also run by them.

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Quote from: Doell on September 21, 2022, 09:15:36 AM

For small gambling such as betting on sport events etc, there may still be many operating in prison, because a few years ago my cousin was in prison and told me all of his experiences

Sports betting is just like a PvP games where it doesn't really need a third party or any tools to play, you only need to make an agreement and watch the sports when it's happen. I think sports betting can be found everywhere including an elementary school.

Quote from: virasisog on September 21, 2022, 10:42:03 AM

Criminals are supposed to change their lives inside for them to have at least a second chance to live a better life outside but they are even falling for gambling, drugs, and alcohol addiction. The government can't do anything to stop it because there are also officials that are involved in these activities in the name of money.

Depends on the countries, if there's a country allow to gamble, gambling isn't considered as a illegal activity and vice versa. Government can do anything since they have a whole power to control their country, but they want to get money from illegal gambling that's why they just close their eyes.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place, not as if all prisoners were once a cartel who do some drugs and could one way or the other smuggle things inside the prisoners.
what were the prisoner's warders doing while all this was going on? If they are aware and this operation happens in prison for 35 years, they should all serve their jail for compromising the prisons because that's a criminal offense, they didn't say much about that on the website.

These prisoners are also humans irrespective of the crimes that may have gotten them in there. I do believe also that games in these facilities are more for recreational and rehabilitation purposes.
The case of how they get cash for gambling in the prison casino might just be looking too further. It is possible they had other barter and reward systems alongside any little cash that must have been available. Also, I don't think a prison like that was just an ordinary prison, it must have been probably where the worst of the worst were kept and the wardens had little say. With the way it sounds, my concern is the way casino gaming is attributed to a game played only by or meant for delinquents.
If such a casino however, was licensed and had the authority to operate in prisons, it might be too extreme and the purpose of rehabilitation would be skewed.

I understand your point and I'm a human, I have feelings and sympathy too but do you really think some prisoners deserve to see the sun? If one should judge from the crime that sent them to prison, they would have been castrated from the day they sent them to prison instead of giving them some little entertainment. That wouldn't even happen in today's prisons talk more of allowing a specialized currency but it is possible in corrupt states where warders still smuggle in some s**ting stuff for inmates.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 21, 2022, 10:08:06 AM

Oh that's normal here in the Philippines.
Illegal drugs in prison, gambling, alcohol, prostitution, you name it. All illegal activities are inside the prison and no one will stop them because they are already in prison. It's the guards that actually make profits out of all this commodities inside the prison.

Is it safe? No. You are playing with criminals. They are supposed to be rehabilitated, that is why they are in there. No pleasure, just strict discipline in their everyday life and paying for the crime they did.

We could even see it in Filipino movies. Criminals who are supposed to suffer and pay for their committed crimes are even enjoying their lives inside the prison. They can still continue their vices including illegal drugs and alcohol. They are even having huge gambling events inside involving big personalities. There are also huge and powerful authorities behind it and they are even tolerating and supporting it.
Criminals are supposed to change their lives inside for them to have at least a second chance to live a better life outside but they are even falling for gambling, drugs, and alcohol addiction. The government can't do anything to stop it because there are also officials that are involved in these activities in the name of money.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

Over time, the concept of conventional casinos and the people involved in them became much different from the current state of gambling. The level of cheating is rampant and it is clear that the current gambling environment cannot be compared to the current conditions. Imprisoned if someone cheats, the risk of being tortured and not being able to escape is certainly quite threatening. Like it or not, they will play fair.

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Oh that's normal here in the Philippines.
Illegal drugs in prison, gambling, alcohol, prostitution, you name it. All illegal activities are inside the prison and no one will stop them because they are already in prison. It's the guards that actually make profits out of all this commodities inside the prison.

Is it safe? No. You are playing with criminals. They are supposed to be rehabilitated, that is why they are in there. No pleasure, just strict discipline in their everyday life and paying for the crime they did.

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Quote from: Cookdata on September 21, 2022, 09:29:36 AM

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place

I'm guessing they were offered a way to earn money since I remember visiting a prison back then with some of my friends and the prisoners are making souvenirs and other products. And some of the people guiding us in the prison mentioned whatever sales they get will be distributed equally and goes to their pockets as a way to help their family outside.

Quote from: YOSHIE on September 21, 2022, 08:28:13 AM

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I agree, when I checked the link I didn't expect for them to have their own betting currency and that shows how determined they were to maintain the casino.

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This just goes to show that a group of people dedicated to something that they're doing are better compared to governments that enforce rules on things they don't work closely to Cheesy

While there are a lot of angles on where this prison casinos can go wrong, you can't deny the fact that it thrived and almost no incidents happened during the whole 35 years, just because the inmates want fairness in their own little haven. This could surely be a good pastime to them, but can also be a source of rifts between groups of inmates that may cause lots of problems down the line. But if this is closely regulated and the wardens/prison watchers are really trying to help the inmates, I think it could be good for the prisoners to not think of anything other than playing with other inmates and lessen the incidents inside the prison.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place, not as if all prisoners were once a cartel who do some drugs and could one way or the other smuggle things inside the prisoners.
what were the prisoner's warders doing while all this was going on? If they are aware and this operation happens in prison for 35 years, they should all serve their jail for compromising the prisons because that's a criminal offense, they didn't say much about that on the website.

These prisoners are also humans irrespective of the crimes that may have gotten them in there. I do believe also that games in these facilities are more for recreational and rehabilitation purposes.
The case of how they get cash for gambling in the prison casino might just be looking too further. It is possible they had other barter and reward systems alongside any little cash that must have been available. Also, I don't think a prison like that was just an ordinary prison, it must have been probably where the worst of the worst were kept and the wardens had little say. With the way it sounds, my concern is the way casino gaming is attributed to a game played only by or meant for delinquents.
If such a casino however, was licensed and had the authority to operate in prisons, it might be too extreme and the purpose of rehabilitation would be skewed.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 21, 2022, 08:45:15 AM

Maybe we are already familiar, how inmates carry out their activities while in prison. we often see it on tv, whether it's a documentary or anything related to the type of activity in prison, in this discussion about this is a casino in prison. there is nothing we can deny, that gambling activities will always exist everywhere, including in prison institutions. whether it's traditional or like today we can start from a smartphone, however, gambling activities in prisons must be prohibited. especially as exemplified in the OP's thread, that kind of thing is really not good for someone who is serving his sentence.

Penitentiary is an institution to accommodate people who have problems with the law, the task of correctional institutions is not only to hold them in a room or one building for a certain time. however, it is more about making them deterrent and not committing criminal acts again when they are released from prison. if they could do something like the OP's example, either illegal or maybe licensed.

I think, very contrary to the definition of prison.

It could definitely create a new set of problems if all the prisons would start running their own casinos. On a rational level it might work and could give inmates a new motivation to work and behave to get the privileges of gambling. But will this really help them to stay out of prison once their sentence is over? Now I am a bit sceptical, what if an inmate becomes addicted to gambling in prison and will start criminal activities as soon as he is free to finance his addiction? The risk is definitely there to do more harm than good. I remember hearing that more than 35% of prison inmates have substance addiction to either drugs or alcohol. And people who had an additiction in the past are more likely to become addicted to something else. It would be terrible for inmates to jump from one addiction to a gambling addiction. Also some form of gambling takes already place by playing cards in the prison. Poker is a good game that cellmates can play with each other.

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In today's sophisticated era, prisons don't have to bother with facilitating inmates with a casino inside. Now casinos are available on smartphones allowing inmates to find entertainment there.
While some prisons do not allow inmates to have smartphones, a small bribe can save prison guards from having to patrol to check each inmate for smartphone possession. As far as I know there are no longer prisons operating casinos, because it is too risky for riots to occur when inmates keep losing.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

This is funny to me but I think it will be entertaining to keep prisoners out of their deep thoughts and depression, however, I doubt if that will be happening in this century, but my questions are:
How did they fund the casinos and where did they get money to bet in the first place, not as if all prisoners were once a cartel who do some drugs and could one way or the other smuggle things inside the prisoners.
what were the prisoner's warders doing while all this was going on? If they are aware and this operation happens in prison for 35 years, they should all serve their jail for compromising the prisons because that's a criminal offence, they didn't say much about that on the website.

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When you get sent to prison it's normally for a pretty good reason (unless it's for stuff like marijuana, which is a joke and a whole other story) so I'm not sure they deserve to have these types of luxuries. Not to mention I can see gambling in prison leading to more violence in so many ways. I don't think this is a good idea to allow this, at least not for most inmates.

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For small gambling such as betting on sport events etc, there may still be many operating in prison, because a few years ago my cousin was in prison and told me all of his experiences, and even the prison warden is the intermediary. But for big casinos as far as I know that's not, because my country is very strict in gambling, even not just imprisoned at outside of that no one operates legally and has a license.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

Maybe we are already familiar, how inmates carry out their activities while in prison. we often see it on tv, whether it's a documentary or anything related to the type of activity in prison, in this discussion about this is a casino in prison. there is nothing we can deny, that gambling activities will always exist everywhere, including in prison institutions. whether it's traditional or like today we can start from a smartphone, however, gambling activities in prisons must be prohibited. especially as exemplified in the OP's thread, that kind of thing is really not good for someone who is serving his sentence.

Penitentiary is an institution to accommodate people who have problems with the law, the task of correctional institutions is not only to hold them in a room or one building for a certain time. however, it is more about making them deterrent and not committing criminal acts again when they are released from prison. if they could do something like the OP's example, either illegal or maybe licensed.

I think, very contrary to the definition of prison.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates.

this is an interesting discussion for me about gambling in nevada prisons, i often read how the process and reputation of the casinos there, about the safety for inmates who bet and commit fraud or malicious acts.

I used to think how the casinos in prisons could run smoothly and safely and were regulated to run well, but my worries were answered after reading and seeing the rules that were enforced in prisons, as I quote below.

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Any concerns about cheating taking place were unlikely to be justified. Prisoners found guilty of cheating would have faced severe consequences from their fellow inmates. They would have likely needed to be transferred to an out-of-state prison for their own safety and well-being.

But it's not the security, betting or stuff about the casino that interests me, the quote below is the most interesting I've seen the coins they bet in the casino that got me thumbs up about casinos in the state of Nevada.

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Interestingly, the prison casino also had its own form of currency. These came in prisoner exchange coins in denominations of 5c, 10c, 25c, 50c, $1, and $5.

The Casino In Nevada State Prison

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

I'm sure it was closed down because there are corruption and the inmates become addicted and they had to ask for money from their relatives and they had to do something from other inmates who can afford to gamble for them to get money, there's no way it will open again, officials might use these inmates to commit crime for them so they can give them money to gamble and besides correctional should be a place to mend their ways not for them to become addicted to gambling.

It's evident that it won't change the prisoners for good, so it should be stop. And yes, they could be addicted to it and when they come out, they might just continue with their gambling habits and maybe be back in the correctional facilities if they committed a crime. Or just intentionally, be caught and thrown back and then they can continue with their gambling. So it doesn't bring good and it should be stop and that's what they did. And imagine if modern prisons have this one, Lol.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

They cannot do it in a modern correctional system like what we have today, there are corruption why they did not let it continus they actually breeding new criminals after the sentence is fullfil, those prisoners who entered without record of being addictive to gambling will have new problems when they got out of the correctional, and they will go back to their criminal way just to sustain their addiction, casinos should bemonitored by the government, because there are many crimes associated to gambling and the government is spending millions of dollars to rehabilitate these gamnbling addicts.

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Quote from: Oceat on September 20, 2022, 06:59:28 PM

I'm curious too though, what if prisons have casino inside?
What do you think, OP?
I only have seen this kind of gambling den in some movies inside the prison although it has something to do with the who's the Boss inside like there's a mafia or something and he's using his power like money to bribe all of the people inside and even on the outside world. I don't know if it does still exist nowadays but what kind of powerful man would do that inside the prison?

I think there's a lot of explaining to the warden if they get caught having a casino inside the prison.

When it comes to local gambling amongst this inmates i think those are common, wardens have little or nothing to do to stop them but for casinos which requires Branding, Hardwares, finance we might have to keep the bank as substitute but in all casinos require so much fundings the reason license and government regulation needs an upper hand to decide if it gets allowed or not within prisons.

In Nevada prison where casino was first sighted the tolerance from the Nevada Government somehow increased their criminal history but on the other hand revenue can be generated for the welfare of this inmates this way just like what happened in Nevada prison where a percentage of the take was deposited in the inmates welfare funds.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

I'm sure it was closed down because there are corruption and the inmates become addicted and they had to ask for money from their relatives and they had to do something from other inmates who can afford to gamble for them to get money, there's no way it will open again, officials might use these inmates to commit crime for them so they can give them money to gamble and besides correctional should be a place to mend their ways not for them to become addicted to gambling.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates.

Is there a benefit if ever they will be given a legitimate casino license? Casinos inside the prison are illegal, that casino on Nevada prison were just able to operate for many years because the jail guards ignored them since it doesn't harm the inmates inside.

Even if they do it for a good cause like the profit goes for someone who will be released on parole to use it as funds on his new life, authorities will never grant them a license since they have criminal records.

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Gambling in different forms is prevalent in many correctional homes and centers, in unofficial modes and word of mouth. Therefore it is not surprising to see more such events happening again and again.

I am not sure about the addiction tendencies of such inmates, it is expected to be higher than the normal population and whether this is a good practice.

Still it can be a source of entertainment and fun if done within limits by inmates.

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Non sense idea and not ideal to do. If the casino is for only the prisoners without any outside influence, then it should be okey as it will help the prisoners to experience something unique which a lot of other prisoners don't get to experience. Good for a social experiment.

But there are multiple downsides to it. Prisoners can quickly develop a habit of gambling which can continue even after that person is released from prison. That might not become an ideal example for an ex prisoner.

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Throughout its 35 years, various wardens either tolerated the casino or considered it a worthwhile distraction for the inmates.

I kind of agree with this disposition, I wonder why it was stopped, maybe to checkmate corruption and foul play in the prison. But casino's in prison would have made prison experience easier to bear for inmates and can have a positive effect on them by promoting their social life, if done under a properly regulated condition. Prisoners need to be kept busy and occupied throughout their prison sentence. Maybe the authorities can reconsider and have a schedule for it alongside the other activities in the prison. Real money doesn't have to be used, prisoners can just play the game.

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Quote from: traderethereum on September 21, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

I guess gambling in prisons existed before but no one knows about it because the inmates and wardens don't tell outsiders.

It's known to the outside world back then, it's that their is no regulator that time and all decision are in the shoulder of the warden and the county's sheriff.

Quote from: traderethereum on September 21, 2022, 01:13:43 AM

And if the in-prison casinos reopen, it could create addiction problems that can afflict many inmates because they will see that gambling is a pleasure they can have while serving their sentence.
The government needs to be aware of this so they need to think twice before making a decision.
But the casino inside the prison shouldn't be allowed to not cause new problems for the inmates.

It won't open because the law forbids it already. Before that, yes it is legalized in Nevada but there is no control. But once the law mandated that gambling is going to be prohibited inside prison, then the place was destroyed by the newly appointed warden and will not be revived anytime soon.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

Well, if it's just for leisure purposes, I probably agree on that but if it involves something at stake like money or other stuff, that's a no-no. Prison was made for people that has done something wrong in their lifetime and atone for it but if they'll get addicted once again because of gambling it's another thing the authorities are probably looking at. I think it's best to know why they got defeated in the first place and these days that's probably gonna be rare considering how huge media to discuss almost everything.

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I believe that prisoners should almost constantly think about why they are restricted from society, and not have fun, so a casino in prison does not fit into my understanding of the punishment system. I understand when a prison has a library, gym, TV, radio, but a casino is too much. We give part of our tax payments for the maintenance of these people, I don't think they deserve entertainment.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on September 21, 2022, 01:13:23 AM

Prisons should focus on removing "criminals" from the street and then rehabilitating them to fit back into the "normal" society. It should not be a Hotel with a casino on the tax payers account.

Even though gambling is not legal in prisons, it still happens ...and it is causing a lot of problems between inmates. They gamble for soap/food/cigarettes ...etc and when someone lose their belongings, fights erupt very quickly ....and people get hurt.

Let's rather pay taxes for criminals to be rehabilitated ...and to change them into people that can contribute positively to the society. Wink

It is quite a old article this was those days that the government had never taken gambling so serious to the extent of having it in the prison for criminals to gamble with funds. This cam not be in existence again and the government would never take it seriously for this kind of casino to be available in the prison. This is a alone can cause violence which can trigger conflict within prison inmate. Time had passed for such to happen happen again looking at how strict prison law and enforcement are meant to make prisoners relinquish from anything that can cause arm among inmates.

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Maybe this will be a new thing in some prisons because they have no experience of having a casino in prison. But surely, there will be other problems in prison because playing gambling can make them addicted to gambling. Instead of prison as a place to get punishment, they can get other problems after getting out of prison. I think the government might not agree if some people propose this because the government is giving prison sentences so they don't repeat their actions. And although it may seem like entertainment for the inmates, it is not good entertainment because it can lead to addiction problems.

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Some gambling are related to crimes.. so? Why would a prison allow this to happen? It'll only received a bad reputation and people distrusting losses respect to the authority.
Prisons is supposed to be a place where people who committed crimes pay the prices of what they have done. It's not a place where a criminal finds another heaven.
So, what's gonna be next? Prisons allowing strippers to perform from cell to cell? Nah, it's getting ridiculous.

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Earlier came to know about this through the funny facts on gambling thread. During those days inmates might've used it as a source to get relaxation. Maybe for that reason the casino operated within the prison hadn't encountered any problem from the prisoners as well as the wardens. In today's world it is quite hard to have such access.

In today's world if such access is given, people who are into the prison for some crime will not learn to survive life but they might once again fall to other form of addiction.

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The prisoners won't need a casino in order to play gambling games. They could play poker or dice without a licensed casino.
Is it so difficult to get a deck of cards or dices? The prisoners can play non-gambling games like chess and backgammon as well. Grin

The main question is "What's the point of having a licensed casino inside a prison?" Does a prison casino have an educational purpose or the prisoners would just play for fun and waste their time? This seems like a proven way to not let some gambling addicts in prison get rid of their addiction. It doesn't look like a good idea to me.

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A casino in a prison would surely bring entertainment to the prisoners but there is a big problem.We are not in 1932 to 1967 anymore and the prisoners of nowadays have committed worst crimes compared to those years,the aggressiveness now is much higher and people don't like to lose money.A sure thing would be that if slots were allowed from the anger the prisoners would destroy the machines or even worst if they are playing roulette or dice as these games can bring fight between the prisoners starting a mess.

The idea is good but the implementation in such place I think for nowadays is impossible.

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Having casinos in a prison could be an interesting idea to make live more exciting for inmates. This has some problems that could arise if it would be allowed in all countries, because the casino would need a gambling licence and also regulators who make sure that the games are fair. The big question would be if the casinos are owned by the prison company or by external companies. The casino should only be available for good prisoners who are not violating prison rules, like that it would be another motivation for prisoners to behave. And since many prisons offer inmates the opportunity to work they would already have funds to bet with in the casinos. Maybe casinos could work with more than just money. I know that trading with goods like Ramen, Chocolate Bars and other goodies is very big in prison. So inmates might have the chance to exchange these goods for tokens to be used in the casino.

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I feel like this is pretty much possible considering money and effort need to sustain it. But considering the fact that prisons are filled with trouble people, gambling inside may create huge issues. They may have fights. Its best to leave this out of prisons.
I can't come up with anything different. I mean someone may suggest that prisoners may be workers of casino and people from outside can play but, its still prone to many problems. Hard to say its okay.

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I guess gambling in prisons existed before but no one knows about it because the inmates and wardens don't tell outsiders.
And if the in-prison casinos reopen, it could create addiction problems that can afflict many inmates because they will see that gambling is a pleasure they can have while serving their sentence.
The government needs to be aware of this so they need to think twice before making a decision.
But the casino inside the prison shouldn't be allowed to not cause new problems for the inmates.

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Prisons should focus on removing "criminals" from the street and then rehabilitating them to fit back into the "normal" society. It should not be a Hotel with a casino on the tax payers account.

Even though gambling is not legal in prisons, it still happens ...and it is causing a lot of problems between inmates. They gamble for soap/food/cigarettes ...etc and when someone lose their belongings, fights erupt very quickly ....and people get hurt.

Let's rather pay taxes for criminals to be rehabilitated ...and to change them into people that can contribute positively to the society. Wink

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

Without a license, gambling in prison already exists, even though the way it works is not like a casino where there are bookies and they bet on the bookies but more to individuals and this is like entertainment for them.

Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

There is no cheating there because they have no choice if committing cheating will endanger their lives because their scope remains in prison cannot to escape if caught cheating.

There are already different forms happening in prison for years. They usually do it to entertain themselves while paying for the crimes that they committed. I don't think they would be needing a license because it could still run continuously even if it's illegal. After all, the gameplay would only run inside the prison.

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Pretty old article, guessing it happened because a lot of rules were still rather lax back then and they saw reason as to profit from prison (since I reckon casinos aren't as widespread and as visited compared to now). I reckon no cheating happened because well, they're in a prison, an enclosed space, no point in cheating not to mention that they're betting on money and not on their release time (imagine if that was possible lmao). Plus, I think prisons allow simple usage of say cards, dice, etc., so people can still play them imo. I don't think strict implementation is needed if all the prisoners need are simple items like dice, cards, etc.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

Without a license, gambling in prison already exists, even though the way it works is not like a casino where there are bookies and they bet on the bookies but more to individuals and this is like entertainment for them.

Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

There is no cheating there because they have no choice if committing cheating will endanger their lives because their scope remains in prison cannot to escape if caught cheating.

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Quote from: Darker45 on September 20, 2022, 09:38:37 PM

But for a jail to operate a casino, I don't think it's a wise idea. It would only create violence.

Unless the Warden will be the Banker? or to operate the casino? Joke lol .

local gambling may be rampant in Jails/prisons but to put a casino? I'm afraid this will bring more troubles in prisoners part because this will be a big deal for money.

So i am not sure if this will be a good idea to set up?

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Quote from: nullama on September 20, 2022, 10:06:50 PM

Gambling will continue to happen everywhere, independent if it's banned or not.

That's pretty much how humans work.

It doesn't matter if people are in a prison, they will still find a way to gamble.

happens in school too. there are lots of gambling activity when i was just in gradeschool were we just guess the year when a coin was made. its kind of a guessing game only where we just bet how much in peso and then pick a year when it was minted. this might not be played anymore.
in prison there are so much to gamble as they can watch bastketball games on TV. they can even play BINGO game.

but becoming a real casino is a different story.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

I don't think it's the most ideal thing to do, and I also think that some prisons have too many amenities. Although prisoners will usually find ways to gamble with each other, it is best that gambling remains banned. Granting a casino license would be pathetic. While they're at it, they could open a hard drug dispensary with a counter where prisoners can buy cocaine, fentanyl, etc.

Prisoners are serving a sentence, and part of the punishment has to be aimed at reintegrating them, but I don't see how allowing licensed gambling would help either one or the other.

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Gambling will continue to happen everywhere, independent if it's banned or not.

That's pretty much how humans work.

It doesn't matter if people are in a prison, they will still find a way to gamble.

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I've had opportunities to visit someone in prison in the past and I saw that many inmates were gambling. I'm a hundred percent sure that gambling is very much rampant inside jails, at least in my country. For one, it's a very good way to counter boredom. Inmates usually lack activities inside. But since playing cards, coins, chess or checker boards, and others aren't prohibited inside, they could easily be used for gambling.

But for a jail to operate a casino, I don't think it's a wise idea. It would only create violence.

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Gambling is banned in prisons, but that doesn't stop people from making it out of soap or toilet paper, and in my friend's experience lots of people shoot dice with dice sets made of whatever material they have that can be shaped into cubes.
And not only that because there are many ways they can do it including doing it using a cell phone, remembering what happened in the past will not be lost in the present or in the future. And there are many ways to do it even though it is strictly prohibited, but gambling in prison is very prone to fights and even murder because of debt cases. And even more sadistically, gamblers have to be prepared for the consequences of having your ass stabbed with a long, blunt object for not paying or cheating. Cry

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Quote from: harizen on September 20, 2022, 06:28:14 PM

Obviously, if these are the license providers we have known today, it's impossible that a license will be given to operating a casino inside the premises of a prison. If you are referring to big bosses in the prison, they can operate gambling operations inside even if it's illegal, of course with the help of big people outside.

I have no idea what is legal and what is not when it is about casino licensing. If it's a crypto gambling site then it can operate without having any license but they will need to build a good reputation over the years which is not as easy as to have a valid license.

Still borderline case, so it's hard to know how it can be legal to have casinos inside the prison. And it jut says the sheriff has the authority that time and maybe with the collusion with the jail warden, they allow it to prosper for years.

Mafia bosses might be a different story in prison though, we've seen and heard that even inside, they have total control of everything from inside the prison to outside.

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even without licenses yet Gambling is indeed happening in prisons . because most of them are literally gambler or want to extend their vices and enjoyment in any form.

People in jail can use card games for entertainment, and is known they use them to bet things like food, snacks, drugs or cigarettes because they don't really have much access to cash.

But the concept of a gambling license on a Jail is crazy, my first question is; Who will provide the bank roll? and the second question is; If a guy wins big, will that bring him big problems or even will risk his life?

The fun part is that some people are in Jail for cheating on the casino, and if they got a casino in the jail that would be like nonsense for them.

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even without licenses yet Gambling is indeed happening in prisons . because most of them are literally gambler or want to extend their vices and enjoyment in any form.

so since they are already inside the prison and if the government will earn taxes and funds from those? then why not? I think it is tolerable already from their end and the wardens .

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Quote from: Oceat on September 20, 2022, 06:59:28 PM

I'm curious too though, what if prisons have casino inside?
What do you think, OP?
I only have seen this kind of gambling den in some movies inside the prison although it has something to do with the who's the Boss inside like there's a mafia or something and he's using his power like money to bribe all of the people inside and even on the outside world. I don't know if it does still exist nowadays but what kind of powerful man would do that inside the prison?

I think there's a lot of explaining to the warden if they get caught having a casino inside the prison.

That time? those early warders think that prisoners have something to do with their time and they will be out of trouble. But it you look at today's standard everything is wrong with that decision. Those inmates need rehabilitation and not that past time of gambling inside.

Anyhow, it's good that when the next warden steps up, he completely took control. And then when laws enacted regarding legitimizing gambling, prisons are not one establishment included.

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Quote from: Oceat on September 20, 2022, 06:59:28 PM

I'm curious too though, what if prisons have casino inside?
What do you think, OP?
I only have seen this kind of gambling den in some movies inside the prison although it has something to do with the who's the Boss inside like there's a mafia or something and he's using his power like money to bribe all of the people inside and even on the outside world. I don't know if it does still exist nowadays but what kind of powerful man would do that inside the prison?

I think there's a lot of explaining to the warden if they get caught having a casino inside the prison.

If today there are still casinos in penitentiaries, riots are going to be the biggest problem. Slots handle will probably be taken and sharpened.

The industry is regulated already, there ain't no way for wardens to decide on thier own what they could do under thier jurisdiction. Governments had created a lot of regulatory bodies that will pin every freedom a felon has.

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

Throughout its 35 years, various wardens either tolerated the casino or considered it a worthwhile distraction for the inmates. This changed in 1967 when a bill in the State Legislature to prohibit prison gaming was defeated in the Senate. Shortly thereafter, the State Prison Board used its authority to close the casino. The sandstone building which housed the casino was demolished.

it was defeated because it's morally corrupt to have a casino in a correctional facility, there are prisoners who were there because they commit a crime out of gambling addiction and now they are feeding, their addiction there is corruption in 35 years of their existence it's just it is hidden or not known because of tight security and thugs ruling the systems

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It is interesting to note that this casino had no license and wasn't recognized by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self-policing system.

Of course there's no cheaters there or else they will be beaten up, the prison facility is making money out of these poor inmates they have no resources but their families to send them money.

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Quote from: Oceat on September 20, 2022, 06:59:28 PM

I'm curious too though, what if prisons have casino inside?

Actually, a lot of prisons have. Not casino per se but some type of gambling businesses.
It is illegal but some people inside can be bought so they just turned their blind eyes on.
Casino inside may attract attention of other government authorities so most of them are operating under the table.
But I believe, some form of gambling activities will always be present inside the prison walls.

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I'm curious too though, what if prisons have casino inside?
What do you think, OP?
I only have seen this kind of gambling den in some movies inside the prison although it has something to do with the who's the Boss inside like there's a mafia or something and he's using his power like money to bribe all of the people inside and even on the outside world. I don't know if it does still exist nowadays but what kind of powerful man would do that inside the prison?

I think there's a lot of explaining to the warden if they get caught having a casino inside the prison.

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Quote from: harizen on September 20, 2022, 06:28:14 PM

Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

Who or what are you referring to that will give a license to operate inside the prison?

Obviously, if these are the license providers we have known today, it's impossible that a license will be given to operating a casino inside the premises of a prison. If you are referring to big bosses in the prison, they can operate gambling operations inside even if it's illegal, of course with the help of big people outside.

Here in our country before, gambling is a normal thing in the biggest prison here that is operated by big fish with the help of politicians. You will never feel that you are inside the prison because of the environment you will see there inside. However, because of some "expose's", that was all changed now.

There are places which have things which shouldn't really be there or lets say totally illegal or not really ethical for it to be placed but due to those big bosses on the top and other personalities which do have big

influence and could really put up some money under the table then for sure they would really be letting things to happen.If we do stick into the talks about gambling in prisons then it just some own will and understanding then it is a thing which shouldnt really be allowed.

Where the hell those prisoners money do came from? Also, it would really be still subject for possible contrabands which might be exploited inside prison and everything else.

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Quote from: harizen on September 20, 2022, 06:28:14 PM

Obviously, if these are the license providers we have known today, it's impossible that a license will be given to operating a casino inside the premises of a prison. If you are referring to big bosses in the prison, they can operate gambling operations inside even if it's illegal, of course with the help of big people outside.

I have no idea what is legal and what is not when it is about casino licensing. If it's a crypto gambling site then it can operate without having any license but they will need to build a good reputation over the years which is not as easy as to have a valid license.

Haven't we seen such gambling idea in Undisputed movie series?

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Quote from: Zilon on September 20, 2022, 05:42:34 PM

What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates .

Who or what are you referring to that will give a license to operate inside the prison?

Obviously, if these are the license providers we have known today, it's impossible that a license will be given to operating a casino inside the premises of a prison. If you are referring to big bosses in the prison, they can operate gambling operations inside even if it's illegal, of course with the help of big people outside.

Here in our country before, gambling is a normal thing in the biggest prison here that is operated by big fish with the help of politicians. You will never feel that you are inside the prison because of the environment you will see there inside. However, because of some "expose's", that was all changed now.

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Was it being run by the same people? Did that incentivise the same gangs to get arrested/rearrested or commit crimes? I imagine it would do.

If you knew someone inside the prison leading a better life than you from the money they have that they could take out of the prison with them, maybe that's reason to commit a crime for when you get released with more money, having not paid for much while inside.

Aside from that if it was more informal and pooled (like poker is) then I don't think there's much wrong with it - but then it probably couldn't be made illegal either without a very specific bill.

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But it's already have been shut down for decades now and no casinos have been running on any prison in the US. And it you look at it, that was the time wherein casinos are controlled by the mob and I would say that they have much influence in the gambling industry in that era that prison warden could have been "bribe" to let prisoners gamble. And who knows, maybe there is a mafia boss incarcerated in that prison and so he just wanted to have some fun inside.

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What if prisons were given license to operate a casino will it be safe for inmates . A similar incidence happened between 1932 and 1967 in Nevada State Prison. Despite not having licence to operate the casino existed for over 35 years and ever since then nothing of this kind has ever occurred.

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Throughout its 35 years, various wardens either tolerated the casino or considered it a worthwhile distraction for the inmates. This changed in 1967 when a bill in the State Legislature to prohibit prison gaming was defeated in the Senate. Shortly thereafter, the State Prison Board used its authority to close the casino. The sandstone building which housed the casino was demolished.

It is interesting to note that this casino had no licence and wasn't recognised by the Nevada gaming authorities but the inmates ensured there was no cheating there by creating a self policing system.

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