Topic: Casino Games or Gambling Considered Sports, really! (Read 596 times)

billiards and poker are sports in my country, where these two sports have different ways of dealing with their opponents, for example
Billiards is a sport that prioritizes skills in playing techniques,
but for poker itself in my country it is a sport that relies on chance, experience, intuition, patience, endurance, and pretending to read the opponent but the aspect of luck is very important in the poker game itself

CHESS players are waiving at you lol.
Poker isn't just a luck based game, it's a game of minds and guts.
A sport may not require physical activeness, just like Chess and Esports.
However, I never really considered poker as a sport though I've seen poker tournament, but poker is widely known to be a gambling activity.
Poker may only be considered as sport in the gambling industry.

It turns out that before (once) billiards was considered a game of chance? I wonder on what basis - I can not find a single element in this game that depends on luck and not on skill. Then darts or archery can be considered gambling.
As far as poker is concerned, this is a controversial decision. After all, if we put 2 professionals against each other, then the outcome of their confrontation will be determined by luck, since poker has a rather limited set of tricks and strategies.

I think it will be more appropriate to consider poker games as mind game or strategic game because it only needs the presence of mind and strategy but I don't think they should be considered sports because it doesn't need physical strength and agility. It's a luck-based game that doesn't require physical activity.

As for chess, without a doubt and definitely 99.99% accepted by the majority as a sport, such a position is absolutely reasonable and the reason is that everyone who has had the opportunity to play it from a competitive position or has the passion to follow it as an amateur understands it that way without Doubts.

With chess and perhaps in the face-to-face effect of the confrontation, it does not require a physical demonstration at the point of essence of win, then not determines by action or physical skill to overcome your opponent, but the rules and conditions of competition at the different levels of ability to play it in the confrontation of your rivals, add it similar to that competitive spirit that is sportsmanship.

 

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Now you cannot cover "sport" with a finger, in the aforementioned phrase cover the "sun," so, in a general opinion and I think to close ideas:

I believe that the term "compete" in its essence is gaining ground on its qualifying to define "sport," with dexterity and ability.

That opinion expressed previously by me has had transformations over time, for example it is worth remembering that the pistol duel was considered an Olympic sport.(e.g.)

That example only as a reference of how the impartiality and personal opinion of what we believe to accept as a sport is not always or should be correct, even a group or federation that approves or disqualifies does not imply being right.

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I am interested in your words, as for the changes that occur from each type of sport development, I think it has gone through the selection stage by involving elements of requirements that categorize it as part of sports.
chess, billiards, have met the requirements to associate it with the type of sport. I think today's sport does not only involve a lot of physical activity like most types of traditional sports.

I will give one example, chess, the reason why chess is considered a sport. Chess is a competitive game, chess requires physical fitness, chess requires skill, chess has rules and ethics.
from the points I mentioned, all of them meet the requirements to enter it in a sport. although I do agree that some casino games do not qualify to be part of the sport.

Even if the competitions widely regarded as sports have a mental component, no matter how small it may be, I agree that a sport is a competition that relies mostly on the physical aspect of the person competing.

Any other competition with a similar format to a sport but in which the mental component is the most prevalent is a game of skill and nothing more, and we should not use the word sport at all when we describe them, so esports are just a video game skill competition while chess falls into the category of a board game skill competition.

What you said made me think a little. Which Chess cannot be said to be a sport. And I just noticed it now although it's been a while since it's true that most sports have a physical component like the Olympic marathon, Boxing, and so on. But boxing, Football games, and Basketball can also be used as gambling methods through betting, right? Also, does a Billiard sport as well?

So if chess and poker and billiards aren't sports, it's a talent to speak of, right? where the battle happens by using their minds on how to defeat their opponents through the strategies that a player will make. It seems a bit more tiring compared to the physical sports that most people know.

They call sports something that have physical presence and say include some skills involved to beat you opponent like poker is categorised under this while slots are more of luck based and are termed as pure gambling because you just need to be lucky for winning the game with some multiplier while others don't.

Billiards mainly rely on skills though so it's not a surprise that it gets recognized while Poker, on the other hand, is the one that I didn't expect to be included, I know it's gaining popularity but it's nice to see a casino game eventually becomes a sport.

There's none in my country since the other casino games we have here doesn't require skills unlike poker.

For me, sport is the Olympic Games of the ancient Greeks. 

The sports disciplines of these competitions included running, various types of jumps, boxing, pankration, and chariot racing.  All these competitions required great physical effort. 

At the same time, many peoples of the world had complexes of physical exercises that had a military-applied orientation.... 

By the way, in addition to the Olympic (sports) games, the ancient Greeks also had separate competitions of musicians, thinkers, etc.  But it was no longer a sporting event! 

To some extent, this is now a political issue.  Powerful public-financial bureaucratic organizations seek to control as many human activities as possible (not only purely sports, but also e-sports, intellectual games, gambling, etc.) This is politics.

It might've been considered luck only if there were no other players or if rounds can last up to only so long but no, games could last to pretty lengthy times afaik, especially on a professional level. It's also brutal tbf, since even if we do consider that it isn't luck only, the fact stays that there will always be a factor of luck involved so you'd sometimes get hit on the ass without knowing. Other sports may be a grind but imo, but poker is also a grind. After all, it isn't a lottery game, it's a game where you play against other players and slowly take what's theirs for yours.

I am not a poker player I find it mentally challenging but all my friends who play poker think that it should be categorized as a mental sport because its mentally exhausting yes there are situations where you depend on luck but if you're against an individual its a battle between mental toughness that is why we have this poker face look you try to look not to look you are in a bad card and that's a tough task to make and mentally challenging so I treat it as a mental sport.

When we try to look at games that could future as sports, I think Cheers, Draft and Scrabble fits perfectly. Although, they are not traditional casino games but these games are hosted and they are relaxing as much as they are entertaining and cracks you up. It pushes your limit of anticipation and calculations on ways to guide yourself.
Only disadvantage and o suppose accounts for some of the reasons is not most suitable for casino games is the timing it takes to finish a round. They remain some cool and competitive games around that could exercise the brain.

I know Poker is well known as a very strong player. And the skill is gaining massive amount which is much more than other players. They play this game with great skill and their skills bring them victory. They did not acquire this skill in a day but it took them a whole year to gain experience. Playing this game of poker so well that it outlasts other fortunes.

I think because poker has different types of cards and can have a value from high to small so when playing poker it all depends on whether the calculation is appropriate or not and sometimes it is very difficult to guess the cards that are owned by the opponent because of the display cards that are issued. by the dealer only a few cards so it requires a very high brain power to think what cards the enemy has.

All skills in sports can be acquired over the years you don't become an expert in just a few years there's a level to it like chess where you have a rating and you compile it through years of playing and developing your skills and based on this article dedicated to poker


https://upswingpoker.com/is-poker-a-sport-or-a-game/

I'm not a poker player but if the experts in poker and the players and those involved in poker say that it is a sport then it is a sport they even have a tournament for it.

I think that is also true, poker is a game which is based on skill as well as luck and it is different from some games which are totally based on luck. We're not talking about a game against the system, poker is a game against the skill of other players and it's great to play in land-based casinos.

I don't know how poker can actually be interpreted as a mental sport, is it because the players are fighting each other's skills or what?

Yes, There are a lot of times that professional players like Phil Ivey won a pot with a bad hands because he was known for being so good on player that's why his opponents always assumed he always got a good hands but in reality, he is just good on prediction and mind reading which doesn't involved luck at all. He is losing sometimes and that might be the luck kicking but Phil Ivey can dominate any table anytime he wants because he has skills and not luck. He earned respect because of his skills and not by being lucky so definitely poker is not a luck based game at all because a professional poker player can beat a winning hand with a garbage hand by playing the opponents mind.

I can also say that poker is not based completely on luck.
As we have seen, these poker players have certain skills that they can win not just because of luck but with their skills.
But these skills are acquired throughout the years of playing this game.
This is why some of the top professional poker players are really doing good in this game and making this game as their source of living.

Yup, you cannot categorize Poker as completely as a Luck-Based games rather it is a combination of skill and luck as the cards that you'll be receiving is the real deciding factor whether you win or not.

Professional poker players are there as they are able to turn things the other way either they a bad card or a good card. However, they still lose once they encounter someone who has an incredible card which is purely based on luck.

Of course, with the calculation of sports betting research, this is indeed the right one for me who has minimal risk. The risk depends on us who will know which team will put a strategy in how that can make us sure to bet small or large amounts. there are many good sports teams that make a big win reference.?

Saying poker was completely "luck-based" seems not appropriate.

If everything here is just about luck, then there should be no such thing as "professional" poker players. Some poker players are called professional in the first place because they can able to think of various strategies to use in different situations regardless of how good or bad their card is. There are even bad cards that can turn the table and that's because of good skills.

Back to the topic, if these popular casino games like poker are now considered sports by some countries, then it means it's getting more appreciation. Aside from that, the fact that it was considered sports means it meets the criteria of becoming as a sport or becomes eligible to be considered by that.

Locally, Billiards is famous in our country. All thanks to Efren "Bata" Reyes who uplifts the world of billiards to many fans of the game.
You can see the game being played almost everywhere. From the garage of the house to the streets.
There was this one game too almost the same as billiards but it uses what we call "pitsa" which is sort of hockey ball-like. Flat and round.
You can also see that on the streets of Manila.
It's already considered a sport to us way back in the 80-90s but only for the players and not officially or because it was never in the Olympics.

Poker is a competitive game although there's not much physical thing that will happen in it. But the mental though, loads of it is needed if you want to win the game especially in the bluffing strategy, reading the deck, and predict the outcome.
Billiard on the other hand should have been considered a sport long time ago. There's some physical movements that was needed in it and then also a mountain of mental strategies to think about the next move or where you want the ball to go.
Billiards is like a sport here in my place already. Imagine standing up for a long time, that's exhausting.

I seriously do not think "Poker" should be a Olympic Sport, because it simply is not practical. You cannot have a spectator sport for people to only cheer when the final result is shown.  

You also cannot have a crowd of people cheering for a player... and seeing what their cards are.. and what other people's cards are.... without someone screaming at the top of their voice.. what the other players hand is.  

If anyone wants to win the jackpot then they should only play gambling games because those are the only ways to earn big amounts.
With sports betting, the odds for the favorite teams are not something that can make you a millionaire and for the low-rank teams the odds may be good but the risk of losing the bet is more because the low-profile teams usually lose the match and you are at a risk if you are betting on them.

Unfortunately, sports are now not limited to physical activities but rather it also involves skill-based games such as games. In this scenario, chess, pool and card games can now be included on sports classification.

Also, if you think about it, there are massive games that is also considered as sports that doesn't require physical exertion such as E-sports. Various things have through times and we should be able to adjust along with it.

People try their luck on luck base game because they are trying to hit big jackpot if there's huge prize at stake. Also some are bored since they can't find good match up where they are familiar with that's why some other guys spend time just to have fun waiting for the schedule on the sports they want to bet. Gambling on sports might be profitable if you know which team are good to bet on but even though how good we are on the sports we are betting on still the game is rolling and anything can happen so there's still chance to lose upon betting specially if we didn't research if they have complete rooster on the game.

I am against such a classification.  In my opinion, even chess cannot be considered a sport. 

Sport is a competition in which participants win due to their physical qualities.  Inflated body, instant reaction, powerful muscles - these are the qualities of real athletes. 

And for example, the competition of rappers - musicians, chess players, poker players or the game of go - is not a sports competition. 

But now there are a lot of things in the world that are not based on logic.  This is sad.

I think that is correct and the chances are also lower to start a gambling addiction when you bet on sports or you play poker which truly involves much more skill than luck to win consistently but without forgetting that luck is also an important and determining factor.I think this week will be my last playing slots and that starting from the next one the amount of money I spend on slot machines I will start playing on sport betting because all the main events have started in August.

As for that entity acknowledging poker as a sport I completely agree with them because it takes a lot of skill to win in Texas Holdem so it can be considered a sport.

While most of the players prefer betting in sports that are played with skills and strategies, some still go with quick profiting trying to hit those jackpot prizes, and are also quick to lose their funds. That is why if we want to gamble more reasonably, gambling in sports would be the most profitable one since we got bigger chances to win especially if we know how the game is played well.

As many have already mentioned the philippines is a power in the game of pool and without a doubt they have the best player of the last 30 years(!?)

 The world champion Efren Reyes as someone already mentioned it (link).  Quite a character and good story as humble origins became a benchmark.

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Here they also exist some spaces,  sometimes are very improvised, anyway  I went once and did not repeat the experience.

But I still respect it and I consider that for a large part it is true entertainment and they have a good time, so as long as everything is for recreation and healthy fun, it's fine.

Now about if this is sports...no comment.  

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Trying to understand your point of view...why you mention illegal gambling, it's something else...there are illegal boxing fights there are countries where gambling in any way is illegal...if a group of people gather somewhere and promote betting on any sport is illegal.

 The issue here is, in any case, to ask yourself, would you play a poker tournament every Sunday for 6 months, which involves traveling, staying in hotels, being away from the family in a federative league in your country, as other sports do for the simple fact of being the number 1 or the famous phrase compete...  

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I commented in another post, there is no particular emphasis.

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Yes it is a pity but like poker, although less with pool game there is a tendency to relate it to gray situations.

 But fortunately for pool game you can always find very nice places to play even with a family atmosphere.

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The specific fact of a hand in poker is circumstantial, each situation that you add to the positive result of your game is what gives you the ability in the long term, in poker you lose playing well but if you understand that and apply it In each situation, always without errors, the cards you receive do not always determine your success, if not how you play your cards in every situation.

How do you consider Poker a skill based game and not a luck based game ?
Poker hands are completely luck based as you have no control over it. However, there is a little element of thinking and decision making, due to which some people consider it skill based.

Yes, the sport that the OP mentioned and is officially categorized as a skill based game, and the outcome of the match mainly depends on the player's skill, expertise, knowledge and understanding of the game.
and skill is the main factor in the outcome, not luck or chance. As is the case with poker, where there is more skill involved, a strong mentality, as well as a strategy to be last.

Maybe the skill of playing poker is almost the same as sports in general, so people include poker and billiards in the sport. But I also don't know why billiards and poker are included in sports games. Or maybe because media is used to play so that it is included in the sport. But whatever it is, we will follow what has been compiled by people who are competent in their fields and call it a sport.

That's the best comparison if its a sport there should be levels and categories you cannot fit newbies to higher level players because the results will be obvious and it's unfair but in a game like a poker even newbies have a chance to win against players who's been recognized to play for a long time, the result should be based on skill and little luck is present if it's all about luck then its gambling and cannot be considered as sport.

In my country, billiards has become a favorite sporting facility for lovers of billiards, many facilities are provided by the owner, such as Score Girl, To have an attraction for visitors, basically the pool game arena is a sports facility, but lately billiards have been made like a hidden casino gambling.

If you ask about traditional sports in my country, there are many, but it is just a tradition, not worldwide, billiards is certainly one of the sports recognized by (KONI) and internationally, actually billiards in my country as a means of sports and tournaments, but many are misused as a means of gambling, not a few if caught being used as gambling Casinos will lead to trial.

Yes, this is true, but in chess there are often situations (they are called complications) that cannot be calculated (during a game with a limited time resource) and if a player chooses them, then with certain reservations this can be called gambling. And if, for example, a master plays against a grandmaster, then in such murky situations the master will gain an advantage in a certain number of cases. But of course, when compared to poker, all poker is such a murky situation 

Billiard should be considered sport, if table tennis is seen as sport, why billiard not considered as sport too, billard is sport has it fits the sport category than being a casino. That is why in many countries, billard is considered sport. But if billard is listed on any sport betting site, this does not change the rules and everything about it, even if it is in the category of sport or casino.

That's why I mentioned that you just gave me a trivia there. Thanks for that.

But still, I can't consider that question of yours as simple, at least here in our country, since, in the very beginning, we treat billiards here as a sport, not a casino game. We have lots of established billiard champions here already making it nonsense to think that billiards is considered casino games before.

About your last statement, is that the reason you want to emphasize why billiards is a casino game before? If yes, in what country?

I'm not a poker player and I love watching pool but I don't consider poker as a sports game, the pool can be considered a sport because it is played in sporting events like the SEA games in Asia.
You can have a certain skill in poker but its still a luck-based game, and I don't think that a game that is played using cards can be considered a sport, anything that involves a card are luck-based game and no way can be treated as sports.

I agree with you, I personally don't agree with classifying poker as a sport. however, there is no doubt that poker is not roulette or dice that is purely based on luck, playing skills play an important role in poker, poker requires seriousness or a complex intellectual game, which all depends on knowledge and experience.

The reason I say poker doesn't fall into the category of sports is, firstly, poker is played for money, and the only significant indicator of success is the amount of money won.
In poker, I can win a lot or lose a lot. and this is a sign of gambling, secondly, Poker is played in a casino, that is, where gambling is usually played.

If Poker is recognized as a game of skill, then it wouldn't be illegal for any entity to set up a poker game, and take a percentage of the players' winnings as a "fee or rake from the pot"? I have been learning/reading/researching about poker, and one of my research requires watching movies about Poker. Hahaha. One of those movies is "Molly's Game". She was taken by the FBI, because she was accused of running an "illegal gambling" room. She was told that if she did not take a fee/rake from the game, the FBI can't take her. WHY can't she or anyone fight the case by citing Poker is not a gambling game but a skill game?

Poker is considered a sport seems odd but if so then maybe Blackjack as well, playing this game will also make you think and you also need skills for this game. I only see Poker Sports League though, no blackjack. 

Only a few countries I guess consider poker to be sports but it would be fun to see them promote poker on Olympics or Fifa. Would it be acceptable for the organization?

When did billiard was classified as a casino game? Luck is not neccessary in billiards. The gambling part of it is what we called sportsbetting like what we do to other games like basketball or soccer.

Most games on a casino highy depends on luck and doesn't require some skill to win so they can't really be considered a sport unlike poker which involves some skill like bluffing that can make you win even if you have the bad card. And according to the link below, poker is currently the only form of gambling to be considered as a sport.

https://upswingpoker.com/is-poker-a-sport-or-a-game/

Personally, I don't agree in categorizing poker under sports. Of course, the game is not purely luck-based. There's an element of skill and mental prowess that is involved. But in a competition where the level of skill is the ultimate measure, poker is simply different. In a game of poker, luck is the ultimate measure. However excellent your bluffing skill may be, if the opponent has the best hand possible, he/she will call every raise that you'll make and you will lose. That's how a poker game goes.

Anyone who thinks that sport is just what makes people sweat a lot is wrong.

Any game of dice, cards, or the like that generates a "competition" between two or more people should be considered a sport and be given due respect and incentives just like any other.

The only problem I see with making these sports "official" is that they often fail to become a pleasurable challenge and are quickly taken over by those who think only about making money above all else.

Yeah Poker in my country is a sports, 2018 there was an official event also held to go international, but few were interested in being an athlete bcause basically people believe that games use a cards are gambling. Even though it is clearly legalized by the government as a sport and even the world, but people at my country often abuse the game with money.

They considered it as sports betting that can be played in casino halls because it did not occupy a large space and there are many players who bet with each other and bettors that will bet on their favorite player and it's considered legal, here in our country pool is so popular because the greatest pool player of all time happens to be our countryman, the pool is not only played in casinos here, you can find it on malls on every gaming and recreational establishment, it's considered as a gambling, sports, and recreational events. 

the greatest Pool player of all time

In the Philippines, cock fighting has been consistently practiced by by gamblers to the point that it gets televised regularly. Though the game itself is much more of a gamble than a sport, most people view it as such. In addition, the barrier of entrance to participate in betting is easier and regulated by the government itself, which makes it truly a "sport-game" compared to most card gambling games.

Basketball is a sport which is considered the heart of Filipino games. Many of our countrymen play and see the sport as the "main sport" that everybody uses. You would see tons of courts in the streets which are consistently being used by many. As the case may be, betting in official games have been a consistent practice done by many.

Poker is categorized mental sport because the strategy relies on the psychological approach to how they can bluff and defeat their opponent, how they can decide about standing, hitting, etc. to beat their opponent.  Since in poker, the strategy uses the mind more than physical exertion that is why it is called a mental game and not due to fixed rules or whatsoever.

Pool is a sport, that's not new to me. Bowling is also a sport, so is golf, so why not pool. It requires skill and precision, just like golf, bowling, and many other sports, like shooting or archery.
As far as poker goes, it requires a lot more luck than what is traditionally considered a sport, but I can understand that people are considering it a sport, because you can simply be good at it.
Every activity that you can compete in and where skill level rises with time and knowledge of the game can be considered a sport.

I fully agree that Poker is mental game that counts as sports. What about chess? It's also a game that requires you think a lot and anticipate moves of your opponent. The only difference is that there is no betting whereas poker relies a lot on betting money. In my opinion the betting aspect in poker has no real influence if it is a sport or not. What makes poker a mental sport is that it has fixed rules and a fixed deck of cards you play with. So whatever two cards you are being dealt there is a winning probability that you need to calculate. Playing poker for a longer period of time requires a lot of concentration and is exhausting. In my country there are no other casino games considered a sport. This is probably the case due poker being different from all the other casinos games. In almost all the games you play against the house, whereas in poker you play against other people. And in all the casino games the house has an advantage over the player, which would make it difficult to have sport made out of it, most of the time the casino would be winning.

...! without depth is a simple and open question, on the other hand billiards is a game where you bet, a casino organizes an event or simply players put money on the table, what do you call the spaces that have billiard tables?

Billard Casino, Bergisch Gladbach, Germany.
Address: Overather Str. 56, 51429 Bergisch Gladbach, Germany

If you don't know casinos that have pool tables, give it a GS. 

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I think that is the point of the question, not everyone can play with a chess master, they need to be ranked, that is why there are federations that give you a ranking and that would allow you to access events according to your level, that simple organization and order is the beginning of at least playing for the simple fact of being number one.

Competing to win is what leads to the beginning of many activities that require preparation of the mind, body and then a federation or organization supervises you.

I am neither against nor in favor of calling anything that is organized and that has certain parameters to define it as a sport, but doing it for the simple fact of competing and showing that you are the best, then makes you be in a healthy activity and if that makes it possible to organize federations and world championships, that's fine.

Sports deserve or required both physical band metal health standard. The thing i understand that game is that you most be at least %80 sounds in fit people you can buoyantly pertake or competite into it, because it' required calculation and activeness to support the move. Most of the support game are what that energy is needed to be use to actualized it, perfectly. I believe that many people who is into support know exactly what I am lamenting on, because whoever that is full of fitness can make good calculation.

How can it be considered as a sport when luck is the only thing that you need? But for some card games like poker for example, I think it's possible to consider them as a sport and like a typical sport, there are also big tournaments for poker but we don't see one for dice, crash, keno and other casino games.

Those games are only good for local use to provide the people an entertainment but they can get some incentives if they get lucky. Here in gambling we also have sports betting. This involves money but the game or a match where people places their bets are still called as a sports. It's also possible to gamble without a real money involved.

Poker won't be considered as a sport by a reputable organization. To determine whether or not a game can be competitive is easy.
If I play 100 chess matches with a grand master, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 pool matches with a pro pool player, it would be guaranteed 100 loss.
If I play 100 poker rounds with a pro poker player, the result will be unknown... it depends on how many I draw great cards.

Determining whether a sport is gambling or not depends on the percentage of luck and skill in determining the result. Obviously, there is an element of luck in football, boxing and chess, but it is negligible compared to the percentage of skill that affects the final result.
But why do you call poker a game of luck? Knowing how to count the probabilities of cards and trying to understand your opponents is a natural skill and in poker the pros are much stronger than the amateurs, which means that skill is the determining factor.

I'm trying to find out what casino games are actually considered sports. Maybe OP can give us a list and check if our countries are having that kind of game. I too began to make my mind twist as for me, what I have known casinos games are the usual casinos games we are seeing like, slots, roulettes, dice, etc. Except for poker which maybe I will be believed it's just begun to become a usual sport in the late generation.

I like to know more and I hope OP can give us other casino games that were treated now as sports in some countries.

I wasn't aware either though billiards is a famous sport in our country as well. It's actually a famous pastime for people in our community and they enjoy betting on it but I didn't know as well that it's a casino game. Sports are actually considered as physical games in our country. Those that require skills and strength like boxing and basketball. There are added digital sports but they're only familiar to those who are into digital sports.

Just for clarification for the OP's question regarding "What casino games are sports in your country?" , does it mean those games/sports that were being played exactly in the casino but began to consider it as sports and already included in sports events?

I'm not aware that billiards before are mostly played in a casino hall. Even if does, I think that was already a usual sport before. Our country is known for having good billiards players since the classic year that's why I was surprised that billiards is actually a casino game, maybe in some countries.

You just give me a trivia there, OP.

And it creates some questions about why Billiard and poker are included in sports games as it was not known to be like that.
I have no argument as the criteria fit them and make them be called sports games as we know that Billiard is also like any sports games that require skills and possibly the basis for this. But talking about Poker, that is something different as I considered this gambling like any of these card games.

Games that don't just rely on luck alone, I think it's also appropriate to say it's a sporting match, domino and poker can be said as sports because it takes skill and mentality to read the situation that's going on, this is like playing chess even though we all know how to play it, but it takes a mind-blowing strategy to win it.

I think it's obvious that sports and gambling are different. Sport is an activity that does not involve money; no one else spends money to choose who wins. But gambling is an activity that uses money and can choose anything to bet on, other than using sports to bet and choose who will be the winner. But sports and gambling are both entertaining activities for people who can enjoy them.

Well, I agree since poker is a mind game, not a luck based one. As long as they could compete with it, I believe we can call it a sport. Also, there's nothing wrong calling it a sport, because when they are playing poker as a sport, they are using the casino money but the profit they would earn each battle won't be credited to them. I believe the price depends on what place they would get in the competition (if I'm not mistaken).

I consider casino and gambling mental and emotional sports. It keeps you going, giving you a reason to continue playing. It feels like a never ending roll coaster.

Overall I think what make an activity whether sports or just a game played in casino to be gambling is what is attached to it and that is money known as the price tag for proving right or wrong in that activity. For a time I wanted to consider games exerted with strength to be sports alone but if we look deeply, there is bet placed on games to make them gambling. So if there is a price placed on any activity including eating, dancing, clapping and all other things placed against the other in monetary terms, I think the act itself qualifies as bet and that is same as gambling.

There’s a thin line separating between sports and gambling which is money involved. Technically gambling can be considered as sports if it didn’t involved money because it’s for entertainment and competing to other players but since players is risking money in able to get entertained, Gambling can’t be considered as sports for that particular reason.

There's nothing wrong with poker being considered a sport.
Nowadays even playing video games like CS:GO and FIFA is considered a sport. There are big CS:GO and FIFA gaming tournaments and those gamers are being treated like sports athletes. This seems way more ridiculous than calling poker a sport.
There aren't any traditional gambling games in my country, that can be considered an actual sport.
AFAIK, billiard isn't as popular as snooker. For some reason, snooker is really popular in the UK and worldwide, while I don't see any big billiard tournaments being hosted anywhere. I remember that some billiard players where betting money on a game of billiard back in the 90s, but I don't that this has the level of popularity nowadays.

Billiard or pool is a sport, not considered as gambling.
It's similar like how people say chess isn't a sport, but a game since there's no relation with physic, in the end it should be a sport.

The reason why billiard or pool isn't a gambling is you can play without betting your money, you can make a fun, freestyle, and show your skills on the table. I'm really satisfied when see a trick shot from the legend Efren Reyes.

I think sports games like boxing, football, etc are not directly linked with gambling games. There are sports on which gamblers bet on the matches. Chess is also not a gambling game, you can only bet on chess matches.

The casino games like dice, slots, or even lottery are not skill based games, they are just luck based games where you win because of your good luck and nothing else. Some people consider poker as a skill based game which i disagree.

Why is Billiards (or pool, or whatever you call it) considered a gambling game...? Pretty sure it's a separate sport altogether, I do know there are different types of pool games but they aren't really connected to gambling afaik. I mean if you compare it to card games like poker, then yea it's pretty far from being considered as a gambling game imo. Not to mention that billiards is a pure game that requires skill, unlike poker where luck is still in play.

On the topic though, poker would be the most general answer here imo, it's a well-known card gambling game after all. Other than that I don't think there's any other that comes close. The others are just different renditions of poker, or are purely luck based which is probably why they aren't considered sports.

AFAIK, when I was still young, billiards or pool is already a sport and I used to look at those players placing bets on each round and that's why basically it's a good gambling game. Also, there's this sport originated in India that I've known when I grew up but haven't played that but it's like a close game to billiard/pool. However, I don't know if players that play that game used to have bets, maybe there is also betting on it. We've got Indian friends in the forum and I think they can testify and explain how it works.

Most of the games involved with animals are of the same. The person gives command and it is the animal that does it. If I'm not wrong horse race is considered as gambling, because of money involvement. Events associated with horse such as horse riding, Dressage, Show Jumping, Polo, Horsemanship, etc seems to be under the sports category.

Horse Racing. I'm not really interested, I have never tried this online but I see it present in Bitcoin bookie. People bet all the time offline with horse racing but we also know they consider it sports. Horses are the ones who run so the contribution of the jockeys is just to give the command and lead where the horses go.

anything game using cards is always associated with gambling so its interesting Brazil they see it differently. but billiard is always a sport here. we play this games in a usual pub in town.

Jai alai is considered sports but is often associated as gambling.

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I think that is the point in question, the competitive nature, you have said it well, study the game, do physical activities, have a healthy mind, sit down to play for hours and do it for the simplicity of being designated the best or the number one of your country or maybe in an eventual world championship, that is does it with sports characteristics.

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Billiards is a betting game, if you have not done it, I have bet, on 8-ball and 9-ball, two variants that I like a lot, and believe me the variance exists, but without a doubt it is a game that skill counts and a lot, it is also a game of a lot of strategy.


It is not the point in question, I think you are dispersed in the idea, it is not a question that you bet on who wins, that is another thing or topic.

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I understand you but it is about sportsmanship and basically we would not be competing for money.

And beware, it seems that I am promoting casino games to be a sport, not at all, that is what the debate is about, I am in the same position as you, perhaps, but if you look at it from the point of view of the field of competition simple and the fact of being number 1, is the simplicity of amateur sports.

Perhaps we will have some non-traditional version xgames-casinos   , as happened by chance with these so-called x-games.

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It is the heart of the matter, depending on the culture and the country in its adoption this also influences, if more people practice it I suppose that this leads to having positions in positive reference depending on the game in question.

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I don't know who says that, nobody is comparing them...
...the only thing here is that Poker and the game of billiards are organized in sports federations, and even billiards has Olympic intentions to Paris 2024, whether or not you consider it a physical exercise, in the development of the game itself, It is not conclusive to say that it is not a sport, look at the sources or the information provided.

There are many things today that for the simple fact of putting on a flannel and a bib with the number 10 already feels like a sport, there are many examples, take a look at video games or Drone competitions.

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That's right, we are at a point where, as there is an audience for everything and entertainment is the one that commands any thing or event that is organized, seeks to "entangle" or dispose of that fine line as you say.

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I hope that the technique of throwing the dice does not reach the extremes of the situation of cataloging a sport... as I said that is the debate, I asked first...  

In any case, some Casinos their special halls where they bet, therefore many qualify e.g. Backgammon is one, and in fact there are world circuits, etc. In several countries it emerges as a mental sport or alternative sports.

This puzzled me honestly. If my understanding is correct, you are saying that poker and billiards are considered casino games but now their status is now elevated into real sports? Billiards is a known sport since the very beginning, I don't know that it was a casino game.

Casino games that are sports in our country? I found that question difficult to answer. Casino games for me are the usual casino games.

I'm slowly getting interested to start my own homework too regarding these games.

I don't mind that technicality but for me, when we say "casino games" these are mostly luck-based.

What you have pointed out are strategy-based games and these are really sports and not "considered" as sports. It does even have its own big competition throughout its history. Billiard, as one of the examples you refer to, is also part of an international sports event.


Since you have already done some research, can you name more casino games that are considered sports?

There is definitely a fine line separating gambling from so called games of skill. Some say fantasy sports should be categorized games of skill rather than gambling. In the USA some states have outright banned fantasy sports platforms like fanduel and draftkings which some view as a controversial policy.

Participants in fantasy sports compete against each other. Rather than sports outcomes. Which could designate it a game of skill rather than gambling.

I think a debate might also be had on whether investments like stocks and bonds might be considered gambling considering the potential for unexpected events, bubbles and market collapse.

Risk and reward have always been strongly correlated. We have come to dislike risk and consider it an unfortunate circumstance. But the greater rewards are available through it which tends to complicate matters.

I greatly agree that skill-based gambling games such as poker should be considered sports.  The only thing that makes people hesitant to think of poker as a sport is the physical activity since most believe that sports thing should have great physical activities.


But the thing is the definition of sports is more on physical activities.

Both game involves physical exertion and skill and is competing with one another.  So basically it is the right call to acknowledge Poker as a sport.

Agree with this which where things been involved with skills and knowledge then this is something cant be considered to be a sport and wont be totally be classified as gambling or something
it could changed up.It is really just that certain sports ending up on being attached with gambling due to betting but in overall it is a different story honestly.
I dont see for those casino games to be called as sports yet we know that there's no skill been involved on this one.So its just really that normal
to make out those words basing up on what we had observed or simply via seeing on whats happening with our very own eyes.

I always think that skill-based gambling games are to be considered sports.  Since poker involves more than 1 person, they are competing against each other, thru various means and even use psychological strategies to bluff their opponent.


Poker and chess do involve physical activities but they are too minimal.  We cannot move a piece or check our card if we don't move our fingers or hands and moving any parts of our body is a physical activity.  They also have competitive aspects since players are competing to win.

In my opinion, a sports doesn't need to involve physical. Well, most of the sports are physical sports and if there's a physical sports then why there won't be a mental sports like chess and other mental sports though mental sports do require some physical which is to move a chess piece but I know it is nothing compared to basketball and other sports that you have to be active all the time.

It's a bit confusing how you conflate a more active sport, like billiards where you at least have to get up, be a bit flexible and navigate around the table with poker which is purely a card game. It would be better to compare it against something like chess. Poker is definitely a game for geniuses at the highest levels but it does already have many large scale tournaments and offerings for all sorts of players. You could throw "esports" out there as a better and more similar example, which takes dexterity and plenty of practice to become the best - but for most games it is not really strenuous physical exercise and they should both be acknowledged for different kind of effort.

I didn't know that they considered it as sports in some countries. Billiards is common but how did that became a casino game? I don't think it can be with that. As for your question though, I don't think it's quite common with my country to consider casino games as sports though.

I like the idea on making some casino games into a olympic type thing or something.

Sports is something where we need to utilize our skills. Poker requires skills without any doubt and its same with billiards. Any other card games also require mental skill and strong observation power. So these can be considered as sports for sure.

However, slots or Plinko or coin flip games are purely luck based. People usually play them for leisure. These can't be considered to have a sports tag. In my country, both Cricket and football are very famous sports in gambling circuit.

chess isn't really a gambling game but I grew up seeing people bet on it. it is also considered a sport in my country.

seeing poker recognised as a sport immediately reminded me of chess. also, It's kind of funny how the United Kingdom recognize poker as a sport(specifically "mind/mental sport") but does not recognize chess as a sport despite chess being more of a mental sport than poker, I wonder what are their reason for not recognising chess as a sport.

I think some games like Billiards should be considered sports, but I do not see any reason that games like Blackjack should be considered sports, no energy is required in such competition. Although if tournaments like the Olympics want to include some casinos as sports games, there would be more people in the competition, this will redefine what sports are actually about. In my opinion, games like the Blackjack category should not be considered sports games.

Billiards isn't a gambling game. It's a game where the most skilled ones win. If it were a gambling game we would see a larger variety of players on top positions, since they would rely on luck, instead of skills.

Just because people gamble on billiards' results, it doesn't mean it can't be considered a sport. Billiards is a sport people bet just like soccer, basketball, tennis, boxing and so on.

Regards poker, I believe it was a maneuver to legalize the activity in Brazil, while not legalizing another gambling categories of games, and consequently casinos.

Skill-based casino games can probably count as sports, although it is obvious that other games such as dice, slots, and roulettes would not qualify. When we mention sports, basketball, boxing, and the likes come into play. Chess is considered a sport, although it does not involve lots of physicalities in order to be considered one, just two people using their minds to better the other. In poker or other card games, that is also the case, although luck and randomness play key roles in the success of the players in the game.

If we consider sports traditionally as anything that offers some sort of platform for competition between two parties say individual or team, we can refer and consider some of our local casino games like blackjack, Baccarat as sports although not having full recognition yet by the the appropriate sports body. In my country, people play these competitively and you can sometimes see two persons who walk into a casino to play these games with both of them having the intention to prove that they are better at the game, this competitive nature is the same for all sports.

It is my opinion that as things change and more interest are represented on the Olympic stage, there will be vacancy for the inclusion of more casino games like blackjack and baccarat as a sport between countries to compete for a medal, it is very possible.

I just wrote and it reminded me...because sometimes we play it and forget, but poker is considered by some a mental sport, in fact countries like Brazil consider it that way, we also have the game of pool, considered a sport and it is in better organization because world championships are held even with teennagers.

https://twg2022.com/international-federation-news/bringing-billiards-to-the-olympic-games-2024/

For now these are the ones that have official status considered sports.

• Poker.
• Billiards. Pool. Cue sports

Sources:
https://matchpokerfed.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Match_Poker

Poker Recognized as a Skill Game by IMSA
https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker-recognized-as-a-skill-game-by-imsa-10821/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports

https://wcbs.sport

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So, you think that other traditional games where you bet have that status.
What casino games are sports in your country?