Topic: Casinos games are not made by the casino teams but... (Read 413 times)

The gambling had many team including the coding team which play huge role in the website.Mostly gambling sites keep their developer with them,because they know the extract movement of the gambling site.The gambling company will creat some contract with the coding developer and it exist till the website was survived in the market.Because the developer can bet on the point which give them maximum win,So the friends and relatives of the developers also in the monitor list of the owners.The gambling owner should build the trust among the gamblers,So they get more gamblers to their sites.

I believe ( I have never owned a casino and never managed a casino ) that all casinos have employees who are people who are experienced in coding, so when the casino pays a gambling provider, the casino employees who are responsible for the coding must be able to audit the games that are added to the casino, this ensures that the casinos do not make agreements with game provider companies that manipulate the games, because let's imagine the following case, a person builds an online casino, then makes an agreement with some gambling provider company, then how can that person be assured that the gambling provider is not causing

Anyone in particular exploit some glitches in some games? something like the gambling provider agreeing with someone for that person to go play at the casino where he recently made an agreement with the company, that person would know all the flaws in the game because the provider told him, so that person would always be making money and would share winnings from the gaming provider, because these kinds of things would be possible to happen, so casinos need to have employees capable of auditing the games provided by the gambling providers

casinos would not be naïve to simply take the word of gambling provider companies, at least I say that because if I were a casino owner I would not believe and would not trust 100% in gambling providers, I would have hired capable employees as well to audit everything that was added to the casino that came from other companies, this is the norm of operation of many companies. Of course, game providers also want to have a good reputation in the market and that's why they strive not to get involved in scandals and provide reliable things.

Well, I have seen some threads where there are some players who play and are looking for games that are original from the casinos, which are not given by what some of the game providers always give, but are looking for something different, something that others do not have, So these types of things are what they are looking for, I don't know if they will because they are bored of always looking for the same games and they can't do anything else, but as far as I'm concerned, I think that there is no game where the casinos are original. They are looking for more, when I started in 2017, my favorite platform was freebitco.in, and that was because I saw many opportunities to win and I think that is the only thing that really matters, for example I have always looked for some of the best casinos to play and have the opportunity to obtain bonuses with which you can access more wins, but for that moment I only saw freebitco.in, after I found stake.com and compared it with other casinos, I saw that the other casinos did not have many games with stake.com, but the other games were identical to those on stake.com, which seemed to me more of the same, then I discovered Primedice that it was craps, and it seemed innovative to me, because it was the same but different, so I liked it .

After that time I was only looking for casinos that were good, that I liked and that had good games, aside from not feeling that the casino had much of an advantage because it took very little to make me lose, so this type of thing is what normally one likes good. player was looking for, the casinos that have games are original and many look for them, but when they talk here about the advantage of possible manipulation, well, I can only say something, if it is a famous casino, that has a good reputation, you have to trust that they don't They manipulate to win, the advantage is the same for everything, and if they are original games, they do not Damage their entire reputation just for one game and for wanting to win a little more, that is why it is always recommended to look for almost reliable ones.

The accused is innocent until proven guilty.

Are there examples of evidence when the casino has manipulated the game engines?

When gamblers lose, they begin to look for the culprits of their failures, and here there are casino manipulators and unscrupulous developers of these games. Although the entire gambling industry is set up in such a way that the owners make money on the losses of the players, therefore, it makes sense to have a low RTP. I can’t say whether these indicators are rigidly fixed in games and whether developers, at the request of a particular casino, can give me the RTP indicators. Theoretically, what prevents them from agreeing and doing it. I don't think that the casino will have a separate specialist who will change these values to those that are convenient for the casino, and more likely, this can be done by the gambling developers themselves, say, for a separate surcharge.

They may be distributing the profits in such a way that they split the profits among the accounts that play during that time period. For example, there might be an algorithm that makes you win in the morning and lose in the evening. People are usually interested in gambling and slots in the evening when they have free time, and most people lose because they play at that time. In the morning, we can assume that not many people play, and most people who play at this time may be winning.
The gamblers who figure out how and according to what the algorithms win are the ones who end up winning, but of course it is not so simple to figure it out.
There is a saying in gambling. "The house never loses", meaning that the gambler never loses, and on top of that, he adds money to his bankroll.

Not only on just bad habits but rather the odds or simply the House edge would really be one of the main reason on why you do lose specially on slot gaming. This is why its always better on making yourself that fully wary

on what are the imposed risks on the time that you do play. Alterting out codes and fairness with those casino owners or team cant really be possible on a game which is really of those providers which is really completely separate. We know that there are games which is been solely been created by the team on which this is really a game that could really be altered out by the platform you are dealing with. In overall if you dont like on
experiencing that kind of risks and potential hassles then it would be always be good on sticking into those reputable places. Slot gaming? im not really that expecting that much on winning because its always been
against the gambler or player on which in the end of the day you would really be ending up on empty handed. 

Some are not obvious but some are, and already reported. Many have gone down but unfortunately a few have remained and they can always victimize the newbies who carelessly try new stuffs. You said the problem is in the software provider? So, this should be the one to be blamed alone and not the casino because maybe they don't know about the issue.

Not all are the same but some gamblers are also too cautious. They will carefully check all of the components of the casino before they play. Casino industry is quickly growing and that is the reason why many business-minded people are rushing but I still prefer the original website or the ones who are created from scratch.

Reputation also comes with the games that the casinos are offering to their peers, be it from a third-party provider or their own games. If they can't provide an experience or something that is worth their players' money, plus the games are basically just ripping everyone's wallets off, that casino will surely be on the black list of a lot of people. Their name will be stained with a lot of negative impressions and over time, they will lose money and lose their business with a lot of people.

What’s certain for me is that if the casino really intends to manipulate or cheat through their games, of course they all have the control and access to make it happen. What’s the use of owning their own casino platform if they can’t manipulate their own games? I believe there is nothing to argue with that. Just because of the fact that these games are already made by trusted and reputable providers, then they can’t be rigged if the casino really intends to do it. It’s like your money, your rules, same like it goes with casinos, it’s their own platform so they can manipulate everything that belong to their possession.

I don't understand technically how they set up profits, but you may be right based on personal experience or someone else's experience. To the extent that the algorithms are useful to developers trying to make money, then some gamblers can benefit. Providers only provide the best games possible to attract gamblers to play more often and spend a lot of money there, at least that's the most common way of how providers and casinos make money from gamblers.

Something can be right and something can be wrong. In the end some might say that game providers will never lose, but only gamblers lose in the long term because of their bad habits.

True. Most of these casinos outsource games instead of creating them since it doesn't take much time to do so, and for the most part, it's easier and cheaper than creating your full-fledged game especially if it's something that's complex like slots or poker.

Still, since they outsourced these games, it means that they are given the full capabilities to jack the odds and probabilities, kind of like arcade centers being given the keys to their machines for maintenance purposes. This ensures that not only can they do easy maintenance tasks on their own, but also allow the casino to play with the odds that they like the most. Of course this could be abused by some irreputable casinos out there but you'd never find this in more well-known ones.

I don't know much about it, but my opinion is that no site would put a loss-making game on their site to be played. I guess these games have algorithms that make money for certain people who play at certain times or within certain hours, while continuing to exploit other people. For example, if you enter the site at 2 o'clock in the afternoon, it pays a certain part of the players while the other part loses. We can say that it repeats this for 5-6 hours. In other words, even if the site does not adjust the earnings of the games, we can say that the game developer makes money to people within certain hours.

Most games that are created/developed by the casino usually use provably fair system so it wont be easy to be manipulated because smart gamblers will be able to catch it using the provably fair verifier.


In fact most crypto casinos in this forum started the business with their own original games, it will be long list if I have to mentioned them one by one.
If we are talking about the possible manipulation, provably fair games is better than those games from gaming providers because what you can do with games from 3rd party providers is just to trust them without any chance to verify your bets.
Most important thing is that reputation is not about the casino providing their own game or providing games from trusty providers.

To be honest, I don't have an answer to your question. what we say here is only based on assumptions and speculation, basically only the casino and game developers know whether there has been manipulation or not. however with the house edge setting in place, the casinos get their return. even so, it does not rule out the possibility that there is manipulation carried out by the developer or it could be, as you said, the team and casino members manipulated the game. it's just that, that simply means they have to have access to do the manipulation.

Frankly, I don't know if what I say is true or not. but as far as I know, usually every developer has designed in such a way how this game works, and how the casino benefits from the game. there is less possibility of manipulation, especially if we refer to casinos that have a trusted reputation. now that there are RTP and RNG making things that smell like manipulation by the casino are very unlikely to happen. although in fact, there is no guarantee for sure.

Are you sure about this? Is there any source that confirms this or is it just your suggestions? In my opinion, if a casino has a different RTP in demo games and in games for money, then this is the most stupid because there will always be someone who will collect statistics and everyone will find out about such fraud (one way or another, this is fraud, although not too rude).

As long as the casino knows how to change the codes in the game, the casino can change the codes to have more advantages. And the developer will no longer know if the game code is changed because the casino will not report it to the developer. This can be difficult to track unless someone can log into the game to check the codes and find anything odd or suspicious about the game.

Everything can still happen, especially if the developers want to cheat the casino. But the developers must have considered it and would not commit such fraud because it could affect their reputation. Moreover, if the developer has made many games that many casinos use, the developer will not want to do this cheating.

I don't think that a software developer has any access to a game that they've sold to a casino, they might have some kind of agreement but since they get paid to give the source code of the game, they just do that and the game wouldn't be in their control at all. So if a game belongs to a certain developer being used by a casino and the casino is manipulating the results of that game, it is the casino that is doing it and not the game developer since they are not given access to the system.

However, there are casinos that develop their own original games just like Stake.com which has a bunch of original games that are developed by their own developers and aren't bought games from other developers. If a casino wants to do any manipulation, they can always do it in their own games.

The thing is you can't prove if the game is rigged or not.

When you suffer a lot of lose streaks, people will say it's possible and it's all about luck.

Any gambling provider will not show their source code because it will make other people can easily copy it and create their own gambling provider. Usually there's an independent casino consultant site that will report a rigged games, but you're still need to trust their words as you're not completely know the source code.

Yes, that's right, if every game is created by casinos then only big companies can launch online casinos, a casino will have to spend thousands of dollars on every game and they will have to hire a set of coders and developers and they will have to maintain these developers, so it's safe and cost-effective if they just a license from game providers, these game providers make it easy for casino to maintain their platform, all they have to do is to monitors their players, their games and their funds.

Both the game providers and casino owners should not cheat or manipulate or they will both lose their reputation and possibly their clients.

If you thought a little, you would understand that in order for someone to win in gambling, someone needs to lose, because. gambling is a zero-sum game. Moreover, there should be more losers than winners, otherwise it makes no sense for casino owners to work in this area, because. they will suffer losses. By understanding this simple truth, you can look at gambling, winning, losing, and the emotions of gambling in a completely different way.

It should be the devs. The logic behind each game should've been implemented beforehand, casinos (or even the management team of the game itself) should have in no way have access to the odds of the game engines. That would basically require the dev to make a UI that accepts inputs so that the odds have some sort of reference for what it should work with on each game.

And besides, games usually undergo some sort of strict testing, especially in casino games where provability is probably tested as well so that it is truly random. They probably have a certificate of sorts that are awarded to games that pass said tests, and usually, the code itself of the game remains untouched after that. If they do ever touch it again, they'd probably need to run it down the tests once more.

Yes, even though casino machines were created by developers other than the casino team itself, still the casino team has someone to set it up so that the machine works by giving a win to the casino, on the one hand I always think that the casino has never been beaten, it seems they can indeed control the winnings in the game that machine and control that, but how.

It's still in my nagging mind, but if it really proves to be fair how often do we find more gamblers losing and going broke than gamblers winning and getting rich, there aren't that many gamblers who are lucky to beat the casino and it seems almost impossible though some I've seen it on social media but he is a streamer and there may be partnerships to arrange winnings for the casinos as well. but whatever it is, just gamble for fun and not to make money, so when do you know you have to gamble and have to stop gambling. if that can be done means we are victorious. 

I don't understand your question though, just like traditional based casinos or land based casinos all of their games are from slot machine developers and other game developers and so they just have to work with their local gaming commission on how to setup the RTP and thats it.

So not sure where the manipulation will come or possible for the casino to do that.

There are no games from the casino developers themselves, they just have to get or buy the rights or softwares from the game developers themselves.

Those online casinos with a long standing reputation would not want to jeopardize their repute they have built for such years or decades by getting games from a random game builder that they have no connection with. The game builders and the casino must be in some form of incorporation working as cooperate partners.

 There's no way a casino will want to rig their games and the game builders won't have awareness about such manipulation. But those reputable casinos wouldn't risk manipulating their games because players or bettors will eventually find out and that can give a bad repute bringing down their business, this fear is what give players the confidence in using reputable casinos for their gaming or betting.

Yes they are the responsible ones but the casino owners still has the final say when it comes to whether they want the game to be rigged, I mean the developers don't have a stake in the casino if they rigged it without the knowledge of the casino so I believe that the only time it's going to happen that a developer rigs the game is when they've been asked by the owners themselves.

I think it really doesn't matter if a game is one that is built by a casino itself or if it is coming from a game provider for as long as they are licensed and compliant with legal policies. I think there is a regular fairness audit in casinos. Not to mention that many games are now provably fair, which means that you can verify yourself whether the game that you played is really fair or not.

But jurisdictions may actually matter as well. If a casino is licensed in a place where gambling regulations are not strictly implemented, then I think I'd rather trust a game provided by a certain company based in a country that has strict gambling law implementation.

The software providers could manipulate the games, but the games they create usually go through inspections and testing. I doubt casinos can cheat through the games made by the software providers, but I know they can adjust the RTP and payouts of certain games.

They're not wrong about casino games coming from casinos because it's true, and the casino you're promoting also released their own games.

What I tend to understand is that not all games we find in a casinos are from reputable developers. There are some that we don't even need play because the developer must have given the casino team a means to manipulate the game especially games that have bugs in it.

There are some casinos that want to make more money from there customers by manipulating the game in a way that the house have more opportunity of winning than the players. We might not understand how all these are done except if we are very intellectual and also a developer that have a broad knowledge about it. This is why scam casinos do have more Hegde than the player in winning.

Not certainly... Casino games are programed and I feel it's more like a one-off kinda stuff.. they developers program everything through a domain which communicates, interchange and relates with the casino's imbalance line between loses and gains - this might be checked regularly to enable the casino running into bankruptcy anytime soon.
But I've learnt that some games are automatically provided by the casinos themselves - I mean how's that even possible?? Except they've got an internally paid programmer, then things would get really weird for them.

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If we are talking about slot games then we know that it does have that different providers which means that the casino site or owner wont really be having that kind of chance on tweaking out those odds or chances of winning or losing internally, unless if they have given out some access then its possible but its unlikely considering that this is already too far outstretched in speaking about rights and in regarding partnerships.
For those games that they do solely been able to create like crash or dice games then its truly that they would really be that easily be rigged up if they wanted into on which this is really that normal that
they could really be able to make changes for them to be set that they are at advantage.

So its a wrong thinking that making out some generalization about those games been offered and possibilities on rigging it up. Some people do already knows this but pretty sure
that there are gamblers who do have that kind of impression on which they do generalize that the team behind those games been offered is made by them.

As much as possible reputable crypto casino wanted their games provably fair.  But there are shady casino that intentionally rig the game by asking the developer to tweak the game in favor of the casino.  I would say it is very possible for a casino to collaborate with their game provider to increase or decrease the odds on the slots but proving them would be hard.


It is known to gamblers that many casino games are from a third party game provider.  Reason why we see different casino providers to choose.  Although some casino asked these game provider to create a game exclusive for the casino only.

Many individuals have yet to fathom the true potency of money and its intricate mechanics. Would you be taken aback to uncover the concealed reality behind stock candlesticks, which are actually subject to manipulation?

This parallels the realm of gambling as well. A multitude of instances arise involving gambling and the shadowy presence of organized crime. Cases of match-fixing in sports abound, underscoring the susceptibility of games like slots or blackjack to manipulation.

Even Jake LaMotta opted for money from the gambling mafia over a legitimate championship. Recall that life seldom adheres to the simplicity of our assumptions. Casinos must maintain profitability to endure, and resorting to dishonesty becomes their avenue to financial gain.

Some casinos actually develop their own games. They invest money in developing games that are unique to their casino to give them an advantage over casinos.
If there is any kind of thing like manipulation, it is from casinos and not the game developers, Or developers will manipulate the games on the request from the casinos. Developers will not put in the market a manipulated game for casinos because not all casinos are criminals, some actually do their business fairly without any form of manipulation.

even though the games are developed by third-party developers, that doesn't mean that the casino platform managers let the developers do as they please. of course there are rules and requests that must be met by developers in developing the games requested by the casino platform. the developer must meet the criteria set by the casino platform, and the team from the casino platform will certainly verify whether the game that has been designed meets the standards or not or has holes and various other things before it is used by players. so if there is manipulation or other things, it is the responsibility of the casino platform because they designed the game.

No they are not. Developers are just the one who implements the code whatever the management told them to do so. I am a dev that's why I can say this, if the BD or PM told them to that manipulation so they can manipulate gamblers it is not the fault of devs. Devs are just employees and maybe they are not also allowed to play in that casino I think or maybe there is NDA of course.

Since the casinos have bought that through the third party provider, it's plausible that they can modify some of its codes or depending to the contract that they've signed with the developer if they're allowed to. If not, then that's good that they can't modify and manipulate the game itself. But it's also possible that they can and that's really depending if they've given the authority to do so or if they have an agreement that the developer can do any modification that they can based on the request of the casino that purchased the game. While it's true that the casinos are being blamed for manipulating it, then I guess it's the latter that I've said that everything can be done by them since the developers can just follow whatever they say.

To my knowledge those third party slots leave some tweaking options to casinos. Like RTP %. And yes, ultiimately people who develope those slots have responsibility, but you don't have to take their word for it. As they are being audited all the time, technical vulnerability analysis, done by ISS And ISMS doing Info sec.

To top of that, if they would get caught of being dishonest, years building trust would be gone over night. Building that level of trust from a scratch would be a mountain of work.

Here's some info about audits:
https://luisvilanova.es/iss-audit-and-isms-audit-in-betting-slots-in-virtual-casinos/?lang=en

It is entirely possible that the casinos who buy these games from the developers have full control of the games that are deployed in their platform. They have demo games that exist for a reason, and that is to lure people as much as possible by giving them increased win percentage on those in order to get the player deposit in the real thing. It would be foolish for the casinos to not have any type of control on their games and let the game developer do all of the tinkering on their own, because they won't get maximum profit on those games for sure.

but those top and reputable casinos are very careful in deploying any game from third party developers. because it can ruin what they have built for years. because at some point, one of these players will find the loophole or if the game is not provably fair. do remember, some of these players are diligently checking the casinos about their fairness and other features. this is why reputable ones are not fast in adding a new provider because they will also check themselves about what they are offering.

This argument of "too big to fail" is proven to be wrong throughout history. The trusted 3rd party still can be malicious if the safeguard isn't there or not correctly implemented (or many other reasons), the license and stuff are used to prevent such malicious action. Therefore, such suspicion is common, and that's why people invented provably fair mechanisms to erase such suspicion.

The bottom line is that the game provider can or cannot be malicious, even if the manipulation risk is low, it's not zero. People playing those games are basically ignoring the risk and choosing to trust the provider.

But of course, people who blame the system, because they are losing, aren't correct either since it's gambling... They must have a proof for such an accusation.

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There are two kinds of games based on who creates them, (1) in-house, and (2) 3rd party providers
For in-house games, the house/casino builds the game, so they should have the burden to be liable if any error, but for 3rd party games, the casino only hosts it as is with some parameter to tweak, like RTP (for some games) for example. I don't think it's viable for the casino to hack the provider's server and stuff, it's simply not their expertise. The most common MO for casino to cheat their customers is by denying withdrawal, as simple as that.

My personal opinion is that at least one casinos are a part of all online casinos. And they do not want to want to publish about that as they will lose customers. If they publish it then many gambling sites may not use their script. Also, many gambling sites has few own casinos which have been built by their team.

Yes, many reputable casinos source games from established developers. Its a bloody game of trust! But here's the kicker: responsibility and manipulation are two sides of the same cursed coin. Developers might craft the game, but who says casinos cant have a backdoor?

If you naively believe casinos are just passive storefronts, then I have a bridge to sell you. They're always after the bottom line - MONEY. Whether it’s an in-house or external developer, both parties have vested interests. If manipulation were to happen, it'd be a wretched dance between the two.

Those clueless souls who think online casinos craft all their games are delusional. But dont be too quick to separate casinos from developers. In this shady world, everyone's hands might just be dirty.

If the gamblers play for certain period of time,he can learn most of the tactics from the gambling site.But it's not the easy task to all the gamblers.The dedication is needed one by the gamblers on playing the same game many times.The dice is the game which allow us to learn more easily and the probability for the winning is more and more compared to the other games.The pattern of the dice should be find by the gamblers using the dice of past series of game.The gambling software was made by the developer and he is human and can be manipulated based on the knowledge.

That's right, math works better than any fraud  If you play in large online casinos, then the chance of suffering from manipulation is almost zero - casinos that already have a large flow of customers themselves check as carefully as possible so that there are no mistakes that could harm customers. Because if there is some kind of scandal, they will lose their reputation and some of the customers will leave - they will lose the flow of money that comes to the casino without any fraud.

There is no manipulation or related thing about that, period.

These game software providers are also taking care of their business. Issues about manipulation will just create a bad image for these providers. If there will be an issue of cheating or manipulation against them, how will they be able to attract more online casinos to hire their service? Their games are fair and square and they are distributing these games with the same system throughout different online casinos.

Don't blame big losses that there's manipulation or cheating happening in the game. If you are in bad luck, then just accept it. Take a break and calm the situation before going back to playing again. Gambling is a game of chance. Don't expect that you will always win here and don't think that game providers are cheating the whole game.

It depends on the casino and the games themselves, for example. There are casinos which indeed use games which are developed by teams which are not directly hired by the casino, but rather is the casino that buys the rights to use the software.

On the other hand, there are also games which are developed by the casino themselves, using a uniform visual style and those games are also advertised by the casino team, so people can try them. If you have played on Stake, then you should have noticed that they have their own original casino games, which have the same style and graphic design among themselves and since it is  developed by stake they provide ways so gamblers can verify the result they get, through the provably fair model.  

I hope my answer was helpful, OP.

There are casinos that consult the 3rd party game developer when they see the user earned from one game and wanted to withdraw instantly. The casino still sees the game developer as responsible for finding out whether the user had cheated his way to make a fortune.

In case the 3rd party game developer says the users did cheat, the casino will more likely not allow the funds to be withdrawn but allow the user to only withdraw what he had deposited. I think this situation already happened.

You remind me of one of the sources I've read, with the title: TOP 10 ONLINE CASINO GAME DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES

If it is related to your question, it is clear that it is valid, for example:

If you look at the quote above, of course there is no doubt that software and companies have a role in slot games, poker etc.

This statement can be strengthened again by the statement below, which has been done by the MICROGAMING company.

You can see more and more companies providing various games to existing online casinos, in the source above top 10.

If you've been a long-time player of casinos, you know that casinos are paying third-party game providers for their games
and these are the top Online casino developers

https://www.softswiss.com/knowledge-base/choosing-optimal-mix-game-vendors-online-casino/

So casinos' job is to pay their winners and promote their platform and see to it that the game provider is not manipulating their games so players will stay and will trust their platform.
The casinos should pick the most popular and reputable game provider so their players will not look for other platform anymore.

Original games typically probably fair which means you can verify the authenticity of the results using the hash seed. But same with the 3rd party providers, It's all about trust since whether the original games is probably fair or not, other games on the casino even from trusted provider is still not verifiable if the result is fair.


It's possible that some games is rigged since slot game software is not an open source and there's some slot provider that was found out cheating before and removed by casino. It's all about trust on gambling industry. It's up to you whether you will believed or not.

There is no perfect system anywhere. Although I have not experienced this issue I cannot dispute that casino manipulation exists. Any form of manipulation will be redesigned for the profit of the casino. So it will be correct to state that these casinos can be manipulated by the casino if they are built in-house. But the casino can also partner with a third-party developer to manipulate the system. The gambling firm can connive with the third developer to cheat gamblers because of greed. But one thing is sure, the casino and the software providers will soon run out of business. They can't hide their shady deals forever because other experienced players in the industry would dictate and unveil this fraud. That's why it is better to always use a trusted and tested casino

It depends on what kind of software agreement they are having, like an agreement under which the casino can touch the code or manipulate it, or an agreement under which only the game is set up and they have only the admin dashboard. I don't have experience in operating casinos, but mostly those owners want to have full control, so developers are out of it, as those developers really develop it to be foolproof and bug-free. Though there are still in-house games that are developed by them, I am not sure if they are 100% developed by them because it will take time, so I am sure that they also purchase it or some modules of it to make it done. But developers are out of it, and it is also really possible if they want to manipulate it. No one knows.

I do not see the point of manipulation for the casino (of course if the casino was not created for the purpose of stealing users' money), because the revenue is embedded in the algorithms for each individual game and by and large the owner of the casino should be engaged in attracting users to increase earnings. Quite a working scheme without the need for fraud, because if fraud is proven, the casino will clearly lose all users.

If the casino teams know how to code, there's a chance if they manipulated the games. There's also a chance the developer has a personal agreement with the casino teams to create a game that can be manipulated.

If you want to be safe, don't gamble on in-built games, just choose to gamble on games that created by trusted gambling providers e.g. Pragmatic Play, Play'n GO, etc.

I think that casino games are not made by the casino team they have owners and developers who manage the casinos. Casino managers, also referred to as managers or gaming managers, hold an important position in casinos. They are in charge of managing the day to day management of the gaming area and overseeing the operation of the casino teams cannot manage properly because most teams cheat. A lot of money is needed to make casino sites attractive by signing developer contracts with casino owners to launch casinos. The games often require a certain level of skill and strategy, which makes them popular among seasoned gamblers.

But even where we know that gambling is luck based we should also know where we are throwing our money to. At least with the assurance that the house edge will not be above 50% against us.

I think Op has brought a sensible topic. If there is a way that casinos can disclose games programmed by their team and outsourced games or third party games that will be nice because I will feel playing through a third party interphase could give me a more guarantee of provably fair.

And probably fair? When you play provably fair games in crypto casinos you can verify your bets. It's on the casino to set up the house edge, it's where they make money. The house edge can and is different for different games and in different casinos.

We can't check the fairness of third-party games, it's on us to trust them or not. As a person who likes to play slots and some other third-party games, I know how unpredictable these games can be. The long-losing streaks are pretty much normal, we rely on pure luck, and there are no guarantees that we will land on a bonus round with some greater payout.

What should be the normal procedure is for the developers to make a new provisioned for the casinos base on the criterials they want and give the developers to work on, there will be implementation of changes to this games, then they will also have to run a test on them to see the way they perform before the accepting the from the developers, you cannot just accept any offer they have without you presenting your taste for them to work on.


It's true, but there's always a need for remodification of any game of your choice if you so wish the developers should work on that for your taste and target.

I agree with your statement, casinos that manipulate games will be easily identified because gamblers are experienced using various gambling platforms, casino teams will not damage their reputation because casino owners have paid high prices for gambling games from software developers. But I am not of the opinion that all gambling is safe because some report gambling platforms have manipulated code that folds developers to change ruining fair and honest games.

We don't know about the profiles of gambling developers because they are paid according to the order of the casino owners, so the casino owners are to blame if they manipulate the games. However, gamblers must be selective in choosing safe and fair gambling, especially for the top list of trusted casino platforms that have been suggested by the gambling community.

If that's the case, you should never play dice because most dice games are developed by the people who are behind the whole site. In many cases you never know the names of people who actually developed the casino and the games in there.
It's common for visualized games like slots to be made by companies that only do that, but simple math-based games aren't usually outsourced and if they are it's just 1 person that writes the code and you don't even know who that is.

Should you be concerned? I don't think so. You don't know who stands behind developing phone apps that you use, and most altcoin teams are just made up names and stock photos.

For me I trust that the providers use their own servers and they link them to the casino where they set the house edge from what the casino asks them to be.Some of these providers offers adjustable RTP meaning is not a fixed house edge but a volatile one and it depends then from the casino which RTP they throw in in their site.This is what the casino can manipulate and for this we have no control over,we only play in trusted and reputable casinos who most likely they don't need to change the RTP as they are huge and they make profit also with lower RTP-s.

Casino owner or verified developers who ever is responsible for the game development does not guarantee how transparent the game will appear to be, when a Casino sign a contract with a game developer, the necessary tools for integration and they can also have the access to make what ever changes they want, the game design is that of the developers which they have paid for, why the Casino belongs to different individuals so they will design how they want things to be.

It's left with the casino owner to either be fair enough and leave things the way it was initially developed or they manipulate it to be in their favour, which I believe they will definitely do as their main objective for running a casino is to make profit. Casinos are designed to be in favour of the owners and not that of the gamblers.

Any game that is manipulated by will be done by the casino and the software dev because it is impossible for casino to operate without their software dev,in case there is an urgent maintenance of the software. A casino with good reputation wouldn't think of cheating their customers because they are making profit already for the customers that are losing. We all know that a gambler loss more than he wins to the casino. It is only a scam casino that wouldn't be provably fair with their customers because they don't plan to run for long term.

forget about manipulation mate because that does not exist in respected and legit casino because their players will surely sue them and will bring them to losing trust.
that only happens in scam casinos and in which they only focus in short period of operation.
because if you are a long generating casino why ruin your site with this kinda move?
yeah this maybe from game provider but being a casino owner you will never let this to happen commonly .

One person don't build a company I believe, it's always a group of people and when it comes to casino, they make sure that the person that design and build their game is part of the company because they don't just build and start running the casino, they upgrade and continue to upgrade and also patch up when there is complaints from players and bettors, having a developer been part of the team is more secure and efficient than having someone from outside to do a casino games.

I'm not sure about your source but I haven't seen a company who give a part time job of Casino to an outsider, it's always within them because that is risky thing to do, they can give room for bug and later penetrate into the platform and later play to manipulate winnings but when a software engineer is part of the team, they will likely not comparised their own company because the fall of the company marks the fall of their own business they invest in and most often than not, software engineers are founders of casinos.

I don't think there would be some manipulation going on after they got it from the software developer, because everything that's programmed in there were intact just like how they do business with the other casinos. If I were to be a software developer I don't want my brand to be known as a fraud due to an unfair games that I have developed. Therefore, I don't think the developers are to be responsible with casino manipulations or fraud, because the developers gets nothing in return if they do it, not unless if they're paid to deliberately design their game in favor with the certain casino most of the time, but then again it is the casino that wanted it and initiated it in the first place. So, everything will be the casino's responsibility.

You think you’ve cracked the code? Most reputable online casinos outsource their games from seasoned developers! It's Business 101. Why? Because casinos focus on making money, not building games

Now, about your question on game manipulation. Isn’t it obvious? Yes, the developers primarily handle the game mechanics. But let me spell it out for you: if a casino wanted to cheat, they’d be doing it in cahoots with the developers or by tampering with the integration of the game. These casinos aren't run by choirboys

And for your last point: people are ignorant. Games in online casinos largely come from software providers. It's high time folks like you educated themselves instead of peddling misinformation. So, do your homework before you try to be the wise guy in the room

Yes. The games offered on casino platforms are often provided by third-party software providers rather than being developed by the casinos themselves. However, it depends on which games we are talking about. Many casino platforms also offer so-called "In-house" games, which are developed by their own development teams.


Just because a game was developed by someone else doesn't mean it can't be manipulated by the casino platform. It's all just software code, after all, right? Besides, there have been proven cases of casino platforms using pirated versions of games from well-known providers.

If there's cases that casino games are being manipulated for sure they will get busted by their player and they will not stay on industry for more longer times.

The software provider is liable to any manipulation so if there's some issue like this exist then it should be blame to the provider and to casino owners since both of them knows what's happening to the system they offer to their gamblers.

Also people actually don't care much about who own things since many are aware that most of online casino use third party softwares to launched their business more faster than generating their own games.

On one casino site there are quite a lot of types of bets and registered games that are offered to all gamblers and of the many choices of games or bets available, almost the majority are games made by the provider so when a problem occurs we might blame the casino but actually it's not the casino's fault and the team will also fix the game together with the provider used.
After all, well-known casinos will not carry out acts of manipulation because honestly and fairly they can get a lot of profit because well-known casinos already have very large customers, providers also provide profit money to casinos so why do we still think that well-known casinos do manipulation.
Actually there are games that are original to the casino, but there are only a few choices, not many, and even then I think they are better than the games provided by the provider.

We will never know whether the games created by casinos are easy to manipulate, but for some games, we can verify whether the casino is cheating or honest. The developer is not responsible for the manipulation carried out by the casino because it is beyond the developer's responsibility, especially if the game is added to a particular casino. But the developer can take precautions by warning the casino not to cheat or the casino can terminate their cooperation.

And if the games are from a software provider, they shouldn't be cheating their clients because this is about the software provider's reputation. If the software provider cheats, they will not be able to grow their business any bigger because many casinos already know they are going to cheat their clients. And the casino also won't want to use the software from that provider because it's equivalent to damaging the casino's reputation.

I always consider games from one casino to be easily manipulated if the casino is the one that builds the game, when it comes to reputable online casinos, they always offer favourite games from trusty developers, this mean they don't build those games themselves.

The question I have in mind is, aren't the developers the ones that should be responsible for any manipulation in the games or it's still possible for the casino team and members to manipulate the game engines?

Some people still think that games on online casinos are from the casino teams themselves but those games are from software providers, is this valid or not.