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Topic: Causes of Mass shootings, suicides + - Many of them are on psychotropic drugs (Read 2490 times)

legendary
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Intelligent people get heavily harassed out of jealousy.  

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And the U.S people seem to be particularly good at being fuckups.

I think I see some correlation of what you are saying to what you seem to be against.

Also, you said that shootings are instigated... can you provide us with some details of what you are saying?  I mean if you think about random shooting that involve little kids like Sandy Hook, that wasn't instigated by the kids... so what are you trying to say? Try to provide some details to what you are saying.

I guarantee you it was.  Kids are often even worse than adults as they can get away with more.  What I'm explaining is a primal jealousy commoners feel toward anyone of much greater intelligence.
And let's be honest, America's are some real fuckups as far as the average people's of a region go.
Gotta agree with that, man.  Those 'Merican...They voted that Bamster in....
sr. member
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Intelligent people get heavily harassed out of jealousy.  

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And the U.S people seem to be particularly good at being fuckups.

I think I see some correlation of what you are saying to what you seem to be against.

Also, you said that shootings are instigated... can you provide us with some details of what you are saying?  I mean if you think about random shooting that involve little kids like Sandy Hook, that wasn't instigated by the kids... so what are you trying to say? Try to provide some details to what you are saying.

I guarantee you it was.  Kids are often even worse than adults as they can get away with more.  What I'm explaining is a primal jealousy commoners feel toward anyone of much greater intelligence.
And let's be honest, America's are some real fuckups as far as the average people's of a region go.
hero member
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Intelligent people get heavily harassed out of jealousy. 

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And the U.S people seem to be particularly good at being fuckups.

I think I see some correlation of what you are saying to what you seem to be against.

Also, you said that shootings are instigated... can you provide us with some details of what you are saying?  I mean if you think about random shooting that involve little kids like Sandy Hook, that wasn't instigated by the kids... so what are you trying to say? Try to provide some details to what you are saying.

We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook - NEW 2015 Documentary
legendary
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Intelligent people get heavily harassed out of jealousy. 

-snip-
And the U.S people seem to be particularly good at being fuckups.

I think I see some correlation of what you are saying to what you seem to be against.

Also, you said that shootings are instigated... can you provide us with some details of what you are saying?  I mean if you think about random shooting that involve little kids like Sandy Hook, that wasn't instigated by the kids... so what are you trying to say? Try to provide some details to what you are saying.
sr. member
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Intelligent people get heavily harassed out of jealousy.  This environment is akin to psychological torture.  The shootings are instigated, end of story.  And the U.S people seem to be particularly good at being fuckups.
legendary
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Antidepressants near top of list of drugs associated with violence https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mad-in-america/201101/psychiatric-drugs-and-violence-review-fda-data-finds-link


Yes, because what we need is you making more threads. Debate is always so much fun when one self involved douchebag is screaming over everyone else not allowing for a debate outside of his domain. You will notice I am not posting in this section at all any more. You can thank Wilikon's OCD over controlling every discussion here. Enjoy the echo chamber.
legendary
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....im going to agree.
as to answer your question from before, i think those rare, psychotic episodes exhibited by a small percentage of individuals on those drugs isnt really explainable easily. it could be a rare case side effect of the drug induced by a combination of many factors, or it could be that perhaps the individual stopped taking the medicine, assuming themselves cured, and had a harsh relapse. i think itd be safe to say these cases are rare enough to have them be the outlying extremes of side effects.

Still, we don't have an etiology.  Only hypotheses. Of course there may be several causes.
i dont think we might ever have a defined etiology for what might cause these psychotic episodes; compared to the number of people on the drugs and the people who experience these psychotic breakdowns, these cases are rare enough that they would have to be studied on a case by case basis, and im not sure those few would have much in common. take for example, their social environments; their social lives (awkwardness vs normality) could have played a role in their decisions, and that sort of thing isnt really easy to say the least to factor into a study. not that there are that many cases to study  from, the shooters that end up having these breakdowns sometimes end up dead.

Well that's just the thing... when I went through my "manic episode", I didn't even feel like anything was wrong with me or the way I was acting.  To me it just seemed like everyone else was acting weird, and being real dicks to me when they pointed me out all the time and tell me that I'm acting funny.  I even pushed away my family, girlfriend, all my other buddies during my episode.  So it's pretty hard to study these people (which would include me) when they are going through these manic episodes, because they don't realize that they are going in a downward spiral of craziness.  They wouldn't want to be studied, because they feel like everything has gotten better in their lives when things really haven't.  When a person is in a manic episode, you feel on top of the world and are all that and a bag of chips.
Regardless of what "you think" or "I think", there is the scientific method.

I'm not pushing a theory or a cause here.  But multivariant analysis might well reveal some causes.  As just one example, various "named" drugs have similar chemical effects.  Say psychotropic drugs fall into three categories of chemical effects.  We might find that sudden withdrawal from a drug of type A (of A, B, and C) was associated with psychotic violence.

Just saying....

I guess I would ask, without the scientific analysis, how would we be better than those who simply look at these events and shout "Control the GUNS!  Control the GUNS!"
legendary
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....im going to agree.
as to answer your question from before, i think those rare, psychotic episodes exhibited by a small percentage of individuals on those drugs isnt really explainable easily. it could be a rare case side effect of the drug induced by a combination of many factors, or it could be that perhaps the individual stopped taking the medicine, assuming themselves cured, and had a harsh relapse. i think itd be safe to say these cases are rare enough to have them be the outlying extremes of side effects.

Still, we don't have an etiology.  Only hypotheses. Of course there may be several causes.
i dont think we might ever have a defined etiology for what might cause these psychotic episodes; compared to the number of people on the drugs and the people who experience these psychotic breakdowns, these cases are rare enough that they would have to be studied on a case by case basis, and im not sure those few would have much in common. take for example, their social environments; their social lives (awkwardness vs normality) could have played a role in their decisions, and that sort of thing isnt really easy to say the least to factor into a study. not that there are that many cases to study  from, the shooters that end up having these breakdowns sometimes end up dead.

Well that's just the thing... when I went through my "manic episode", I didn't even feel like anything was wrong with me or the way I was acting.  To me it just seemed like everyone else was acting weird, and being real dicks to me when they pointed me out all the time and tell me that I'm acting funny.  I even pushed away my family, girlfriend, all my other buddies during my episode.  So it's pretty hard to study these people (which would include me) when they are going through these manic episodes, because they don't realize that they are going in a downward spiral of craziness.  They wouldn't want to be studied, because they feel like everything has gotten better in their lives when things really haven't.  When a person is in a manic episode, you feel on top of the world and are all that and a bag of chips.
legendary
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....im going to agree.
as to answer your question from before, i think those rare, psychotic episodes exhibited by a small percentage of individuals on those drugs isnt really explainable easily. it could be a rare case side effect of the drug induced by a combination of many factors, or it could be that perhaps the individual stopped taking the medicine, assuming themselves cured, and had a harsh relapse. i think itd be safe to say these cases are rare enough to have them be the outlying extremes of side effects.

Still, we don't have an etiology.  Only hypotheses. Of course there may be several causes.
i dont think we might ever have a defined etiology for what might cause these psychotic episodes; compared to the number of people on the drugs and the people who experience these psychotic breakdowns, these cases are rare enough that they would have to be studied on a case by case basis, and im not sure those few would have much in common. take for example, their social environments; their social lives (awkwardness vs normality) could have played a role in their decisions, and that sort of thing isnt really easy to say the least to factor into a study. not that there are that many cases to study  from, the shooters that end up having these breakdowns sometimes end up dead.
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
....im going to agree.
as to answer your question from before, i think those rare, psychotic episodes exhibited by a small percentage of individuals on those drugs isnt really explainable easily. it could be a rare case side effect of the drug induced by a combination of many factors, or it could be that perhaps the individual stopped taking the medicine, assuming themselves cured, and had a harsh relapse. i think itd be safe to say these cases are rare enough to have them be the outlying extremes of side effects.

Still, we don't have an etiology.  Only hypotheses. Of course there may be several causes.
legendary
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Merit: 1043
:^)
When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more.  

i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I get that. I do think most people these days think anything a doctor prescribes is good for you. The media sure like to make vaccines out to be necessary and anyone who doesn't want one is an idiot or worse the parents are neglecting their children. They totally ignore that vaccines have side effects too and people do get sick after having them.

I'm sure the placebo effect helps them keep the delusion also.  

Not very many people understand the effects of psychotropic drugs on crazy people.  There are REASONS why mental hospitals were before the age of drugs, called "Lunatic asylums."  

Now, that is a very general comment.

Here and now the concern isn't over the highly beneficial aspects of psychotropic drugs used on crazy people in asylums, but the modern concepts that with such drugs, a fair segment of such people can be released into society.
As more and more drugs have been developed, the concept goes farther.  It goes into a realm where people with much less severe mental illnesses - people well into the normal range, as opposed to neurotic, depressed, psychotic, schizophrenic categories - are prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Now we find some unknown fraction of these treated categories seem to be subject to violent episodes.

It isn't known if these are the exact same people who, before the age of such drugs, were labeled "lunatics" or whether it is a new mix of people from various styles of illness.  In other words, are the episodes of violence a direct side effect of such drugs, or a reversion to the basic nature of the the deranged individual, when untreated, or some combination of such causes?

Is there work being done to figure this out?



Well, looking at autism in particular....

Naw, let's not, because it has zero relation to anything I said.  


You can ignore the whole post as much as you want to, but I think it's highly related. There are obvious issues dealing with the brain and how it functions in people that are being changed by our environment.

From the National Institute for Mental Health

"Scientists don't know the exact causes of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), but research suggests that both genes and environment play important roles.
...
Environmental factors

In medicine, "environment" refers to anything outside of the body....
Well, you've gone off the deep end with this rubber band logic.

im going to agree.
as to answer your question from before, i think those rare, psychotic episodes exhibited by a small percentage of individuals on those drugs isnt really explainable easily. it could be a rare case side effect of the drug induced by a combination of many factors, or it could be that perhaps the individual stopped taking the medicine, assuming themselves cured, and had a harsh relapse. i think itd be safe to say these cases are rare enough to have them be the outlying extremes of side effects.
legendary
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more.  

i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I get that. I do think most people these days think anything a doctor prescribes is good for you. The media sure like to make vaccines out to be necessary and anyone who doesn't want one is an idiot or worse the parents are neglecting their children. They totally ignore that vaccines have side effects too and people do get sick after having them.

I'm sure the placebo effect helps them keep the delusion also.  

Not very many people understand the effects of psychotropic drugs on crazy people.  There are REASONS why mental hospitals were before the age of drugs, called "Lunatic asylums."  

Now, that is a very general comment.

Here and now the concern isn't over the highly beneficial aspects of psychotropic drugs used on crazy people in asylums, but the modern concepts that with such drugs, a fair segment of such people can be released into society.
As more and more drugs have been developed, the concept goes farther.  It goes into a realm where people with much less severe mental illnesses - people well into the normal range, as opposed to neurotic, depressed, psychotic, schizophrenic categories - are prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Now we find some unknown fraction of these treated categories seem to be subject to violent episodes.

It isn't known if these are the exact same people who, before the age of such drugs, were labeled "lunatics" or whether it is a new mix of people from various styles of illness.  In other words, are the episodes of violence a direct side effect of such drugs, or a reversion to the basic nature of the the deranged individual, when untreated, or some combination of such causes?

Is there work being done to figure this out?



Well, looking at autism in particular....

Naw, let's not, because it has zero relation to anything I said.  


You can ignore the whole post as much as you want to, but I think it's highly related. There are obvious issues dealing with the brain and how it functions in people that are being changed by our environment.

From the National Institute for Mental Health

"Scientists don't know the exact causes of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), but research suggests that both genes and environment play important roles.
...
Environmental factors

In medicine, "environment" refers to anything outside of the body....
Well, you've gone off the deep end with this rubber band logic.
hero member
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more.  

i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I get that. I do think most people these days think anything a doctor prescribes is good for you. The media sure like to make vaccines out to be necessary and anyone who doesn't want one is an idiot or worse the parents are neglecting their children. They totally ignore that vaccines have side effects too and people do get sick after having them.

I'm sure the placebo effect helps them keep the delusion also.  

Not very many people understand the effects of psychotropic drugs on crazy people.  There are REASONS why mental hospitals were before the age of drugs, called "Lunatic asylums."  

Now, that is a very general comment.

Here and now the concern isn't over the highly beneficial aspects of psychotropic drugs used on crazy people in asylums, but the modern concepts that with such drugs, a fair segment of such people can be released into society.
As more and more drugs have been developed, the concept goes farther.  It goes into a realm where people with much less severe mental illnesses - people well into the normal range, as opposed to neurotic, depressed, psychotic, schizophrenic categories - are prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Now we find some unknown fraction of these treated categories seem to be subject to violent episodes.

It isn't known if these are the exact same people who, before the age of such drugs, were labeled "lunatics" or whether it is a new mix of people from various styles of illness.  In other words, are the episodes of violence a direct side effect of such drugs, or a reversion to the basic nature of the the deranged individual, when untreated, or some combination of such causes?

Is there work being done to figure this out?



Well, looking at autism in particular....

Naw, let's not, because it has zero relation to anything I said.  


You can ignore the whole post as much as you want to, but I think it's highly related. There are obvious issues dealing with the brain and how it functions in people that are being changed by our environment.

From the National Institute for Mental Health

"Scientists don't know the exact causes of autism spectrum disorder (ASD), but research suggests that both genes and environment play important roles.
...
Environmental factors

In medicine, "environment" refers to anything outside of the body that can affect health. This includes the air we breathe, the water we drink and bathe in, the food we eat, the medicines we take, and many other things that our bodies may come in contact with. Environment also includes our surroundings in the womb, when our mother's health directly affects our growth and earliest development.

Researchers are studying many environmental factors such as family medical conditions, parental age and other demographic factors, exposure to toxins, and complications during birth or pregnancy.

As with genes, it's likely that more than one environmental factor is involved in increasing risk for ASD. And, like genes, any one of these risk factors raises the risk by only a small amount. Most people who have been exposed to environmental risk factors do not develop ASD. The National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences is also conducting research in this area. More information is available on their website .

Scientists are studying how certain environmental factors may affect certain genes—turning them on or off, or increasing or decreasing their normal activity. This process is called epigenetics and is providing researchers with many new ways to study how disorders like ASD develop and possibly change over time."
legendary
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 

i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I get that. I do think most people these days think anything a doctor prescribes is good for you. The media sure like to make vaccines out to be necessary and anyone who doesn't want one is an idiot or worse the parents are neglecting their children. They totally ignore that vaccines have side effects too and people do get sick after having them.

I'm sure the placebo effect helps them keep the delusion also. 

Not very many people understand the effects of psychotropic drugs on crazy people.  There are REASONS why mental hospitals were before the age of drugs, called "Lunatic asylums." 

Now, that is a very general comment.

Here and now the concern isn't over the highly beneficial aspects of psychotropic drugs used on crazy people in asylums, but the modern concepts that with such drugs, a fair segment of such people can be released into society.
As more and more drugs have been developed, the concept goes farther.  It goes into a realm where people with much less severe mental illnesses - people well into the normal range, as opposed to neurotic, depressed, psychotic, schizophrenic categories - are prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Now we find some unknown fraction of these treated categories seem to be subject to violent episodes.

It isn't known if these are the exact same people who, before the age of such drugs, were labeled "lunatics" or whether it is a new mix of people from various styles of illness.  In other words, are the episodes of violence a direct side effect of such drugs, or a reversion to the basic nature of the the deranged individual, when untreated, or some combination of such causes?

Is there work being done to figure this out?



Well, looking at autism in particular....

Naw, let's not, because it has zero relation to anything I said. 
hero member
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I was given anti depressants as a young teen. I was depressed but I had good reason. This was never discussed I was simply given pills. A few months later I was hallucinating paranoid and delusional. Diagnosis: schizophrenia and I was institutionalized and put on anti psychotic meds. I eventually (with great deal of struggle) got away from the psych industry and take no drugs and am fine now years later but I trust no doctor have no relationship with my parents and suffer PTSD

The system is f#%^ed

It's really sick right?

If you had counseling about the depression, you may have never needed to take any pills.

That's what's so wrong with this all, the doctors are just trying to treat symptoms, not the cause. Then the cause won't go away and the people will keep coming back and paying more money.
legendary
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Ad maiora!
I was given anti depressants as a young teen. I was depressed but I had good reason. This was never discussed I was simply given pills. A few months later I was hallucinating paranoid and delusional. Diagnosis: schizophrenia and I was institutionalized and put on anti psychotic meds. I eventually (with great deal of struggle) got away from the psych industry and take no drugs and am fine now years later but I trust no doctor have no relationship with my parents and suffer PTSD

The system is f#%^ed
hero member
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 

i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I get that. I do think most people these days think anything a doctor prescribes is good for you. The media sure like to make vaccines out to be necessary and anyone who doesn't want one is an idiot or worse the parents are neglecting their children. They totally ignore that vaccines have side effects too and people do get sick after having them.

I'm sure the placebo effect helps them keep the delusion also. 

Not very many people understand the effects of psychotropic drugs on crazy people.  There are REASONS why mental hospitals were before the age of drugs, called "Lunatic asylums." 

Now, that is a very general comment.

Here and now the concern isn't over the highly beneficial aspects of psychotropic drugs used on crazy people in asylums, but the modern concepts that with such drugs, a fair segment of such people can be released into society.
As more and more drugs have been developed, the concept goes farther.  It goes into a realm where people with much less severe mental illnesses - people well into the normal range, as opposed to neurotic, depressed, psychotic, schizophrenic categories - are prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Now we find some unknown fraction of these treated categories seem to be subject to violent episodes.

It isn't known if these are the exact same people who, before the age of such drugs, were labeled "lunatics" or whether it is a new mix of people from various styles of illness.  In other words, are the episodes of violence a direct side effect of such drugs, or a reversion to the basic nature of the the deranged individual, when untreated, or some combination of such causes?

Is there work being done to figure this out?



Well, looking at autism in particular, it is increasing dramatically over the past few decades:    

Half of All Children Will Be Autistic by 2025, Warns Senior Research Scientist at MIT

"At a conference last Thursday, in a special panel discussion about GMOs, she took the audience by surprise when she declared, “At today’s rate, by 2025, one in two children will be autistic.” She noted that the side effects of autism closely mimic those of glyphosate toxicity, and presented data showing a remarkably consistent correlation between the use of Roundup on crops (and the creation of Roundup-ready GMO crop seeds) with rising rates of autism. Children with autism have biomarkers indicative of excessive glyphosate, including zinc and iron deficiency, low serum sulfate, seizures, and mitochondrial disorder."

No, Half of All Children Won't Be Autistic By 2025, Despite What Your Facebook Friends May Tell You



I don't believe it's a natural disease. I believe it's caused by environmental influences in some way. The cause is up for debate, but I don't believe it's that people weren't diagnosing it in the past, I think people would have noticed autistic people if there were any around back then. So if it's a new disease, and increasing exponentially, I do believe something in the environment is causing it.

If that's the case, I strongly believe some other psychological problems are caused by the environment too.

So I don't believe the people taking these drugs today are the same ones being called lunatics in the past. Also, most people in the United States are on a prescription drug at some time in their life.

From the Center for Disease Control (CDC):

"Prescription drug use 

    Percent of persons using at least one prescription drug in the past 30 days: 48.7% (2009-2012)
    Percent of persons using three or more prescription drugs in the past 30 days: 21.8% (2009-2012)
    Percent of persons using five or more prescription drugs in the past 30 days: 10.7% (2009-2012)   

Physician office visits

    Number of drugs ordered or provided: 2.6 billion
    Percent of visits involving drug therapy: 75.1%
    Most frequently prescribed therapeutic classes:
        Analgesics
        Antihyperlipidemic agents
        Antidepressants   "



"52 Million people in the US, over the age of 12, have used prescription drugs non-medically in their lifetime." - link

The amount of people taking drugs which will affect their brains is much larger than the amount of lunatics percentage wise in the past. So, once again, I don't believe they're the same lunatic fringe population.
legendary
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 

i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I get that. I do think most people these days think anything a doctor prescribes is good for you. The media sure like to make vaccines out to be necessary and anyone who doesn't want one is an idiot or worse the parents are neglecting their children. They totally ignore that vaccines have side effects too and people do get sick after having them.

I'm sure the placebo effect helps them keep the delusion also. 

Not very many people understand the effects of psychotropic drugs on crazy people.  There are REASONS why mental hospitals were before the age of drugs, called "Lunatic asylums." 

Now, that is a very general comment.

Here and now the concern isn't over the highly beneficial aspects of psychotropic drugs used on crazy people in asylums, but the modern concepts that with such drugs, a fair segment of such people can be released into society.
As more and more drugs have been developed, the concept goes farther.  It goes into a realm where people with much less severe mental illnesses - people well into the normal range, as opposed to neurotic, depressed, psychotic, schizophrenic categories - are prescribed psychotropic drugs.

Now we find some unknown fraction of these treated categories seem to be subject to violent episodes.

It isn't known if these are the exact same people who, before the age of such drugs, were labeled "lunatics" or whether it is a new mix of people from various styles of illness.  In other words, are the episodes of violence a direct side effect of such drugs, or a reversion to the basic nature of the the deranged individual, when untreated, or some combination of such causes?

Is there work being done to figure this out?

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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 

i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I get that. I do think most people these days think anything a doctor prescribes is good for you. The media sure like to make vaccines out to be necessary and anyone who doesn't want one is an idiot or worse the parents are neglecting their children. They totally ignore that vaccines have side effects too and people do get sick after having them.

I'm sure the placebo effect helps them keep the delusion also. 
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 
i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.

I know exactly what your saying, and how everyone should think for themselves and that kind of thing; but at the same time, getting a M.D. in psychology and knowing the ins and outs of neurology is possibly one of the hardest things to do in med school... So when I get these symptoms that are unwanted, I just simply stop taking it and wait for my next appointment. I don't necessarily blame the doctors themselves, but I think the pharmacologists that are making the drugs for drug companies should be to blame.  They put drugs out there to be prescribed when there hasn't been adequent testing on the drugs they make... they just simply put vague side effect labels on the medicine bottles that make consumers feel like it's not a big deal.
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When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 
i think its more an issue of people, as in the general population, being either too ignorant or simply uneducated enough to think for themselves and end up trusting the doctors that prescribe them the drugs, not the drugs themselves. think about it, would you trust your dealer that this new kush is dank as fuck if hes been your supplier for years now? hell I would. analogy aside, there is also the placebo effect, which is far stronger than people give it credit for, and i think it plays a big role in just how effective people perceive these drugs to be when given to them by their trusty doctors in white coats. however, they fail to realize that their doctors just give them drugs to treat the symptoms for several reasons; 1, its easier than treating the cause, and 2, it gets them paid.
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But the thing I never really quite understood, is how the FDA gets to approve these type of drugs if they pose a threat to people's mental health?  I think there would be at least one person in the field of psychology that would be doing a research project on the subject of Zoloft or something like that, and he would then find that the papers released by the FDA doesn't necessarily correlate to actual data with Zoloft... Or that it uses such vague side effect symptoms that it would get away with it.

I guess the main question is, is that if the drug companies would be paying the doctors and other people to start pushing the drugs... How is it possible for the FDA itself to be bought out as well?  Even psych medicine doesn't receive enough profit to pay off EVERYONE.

From the FDA website, they talk about weighing the risks and benefits.

How does FDA decide when a drug is not safe enough to stay on the market?

"A drug is removed from the market when its risks outweigh its benefits. A drug is usually taken off the market because of safety issues with the drug that cannot be corrected, such as when it is discovered that the drug can cause serious side effects that were not known at the time of approval. However, completely removing a unique product from the market could be very dangerous to people who depend on the drug. So, decisions to remove products from the market are made very carefully, especially if people would be in danger without the product."


I would think that the drug companies just hide the risks enough to get approved, but who knows. I personally, would think "suicidal thoughts" would be good enough to not get an anti-depressant approved.

Suicide & Antidepressants

"While antidepressants are designed to decrease the symptoms of depression, they occasionally have the opposite effect and can increase suicidal thoughts and actions.

Patients who take selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) such as Prozac (fluoxetine), Paxil (paroxetine) or Zoloft (sertraline) may experience side effects such as violent behavior, mania or aggression, which can all lead to suicide.

What begins as withdrawing from friends and activities and a loss of interest in work can escalate to harming oneself. In clinical trials and public use, there have been cases where antidepressant users have thought about, attempted or committed suicide."




slightly unrelated, but this cycle has more problems than just sapping away at consumers' pockets; keep in mind that as doctors just prescribe drugs for everything from a cough to a runny nose, over consumption of antibiotics as a whole contributes greatly to the birth of super-microbes that are resistant to antibiotics and other medicines.

This is true also.

Maybe a little slightly more unrelated, but they talk about how our allergies has gone up in the last few decades. I heard someone from Europe was shocked to hear that peanuts and peanut butter is actually banned from public schools due to allergy concerns.

When people are exposed to multiple allergens growing up they may be less likely to have an allergy later on in life. It is beneficial to not be kept in a bubble from diseases and things like that, it helps our immune system grow.   

When you're dependent on drugs or staying away from allergens their whole life, if they are somehow without the drugs or get in contact with allergens they may have adverse reactions because their bodies naturally aren't used to them. People are taking away from their natural immune systems. They served people well for years and years and years, but people just want to trust drugs more. 
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat.  

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
in short, those drugs are approved ultimately because there's money going into someone's  pocket somewhere. just look at the broken state of the american pharmaceutical industry, the companies are allowed to do whatever they want with their prices, even if that includes multiplying the cost of a life saving drug 30 fold. the entire political system revolves around money in the states, and that key flaw is driving the nation down.

Right, I believe the doctors are getting kickbacks for pushing drugs. They're worse than drug dealers, when more people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones. The doctors get money for pushing the drugs, and the drug companies get more money and they pay the doctors, and it's an endless circle that relies on one thing, people buying and actually taking the drugs.

I strongly believe if you can get off of drugs, and find a natural way to solve the problem, you'd be much better off.

It's in the doctors/drug companies best interest for you to not have your problem solved, but to rather keep coming back and buying more.
slightly unrelated, but this cycle has more problems than just sapping away at consumers' pockets; keep in mind that as doctors just prescribe drugs for everything from a cough to a runny nose, over consumption of antibiotics as a whole contributes greatly to the birth of super-microbes that are resistant to antibiotics and other medicines.
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Right, I believe the doctors are getting kickbacks for pushing drugs. They're worse than drug dealers, when more people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones. The doctors get money for pushing the drugs, and the drug companies get more money and they pay the doctors, and it's an endless circle that relies on one thing, people buying and actually taking the drugs.

I strongly believe if you can get off of drugs, and find a natural way to solve the problem, you'd be much better off.

It's in the doctors/drug companies best interest for you to not have your problem solved, but to rather keep coming back and buying more.

But the thing I never really quite understood, is how the FDA gets to approve these type of drugs if they pose a threat to people's mental health?  I think there would be at least one person in the field of psychology that would be doing a research project on the subject of Zoloft or something like that, and he would then find that the papers released by the FDA doesn't necessarily correlate to actual data with Zoloft... Or that it uses such vague side effect symptoms that it would get away with it.

I guess the main question is, is that if the drug companies would be paying the doctors and other people to start pushing the drugs... How is it possible for the FDA itself to be bought out as well?  Even psych medicine doesn't receive enough profit to pay off EVERYONE.
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat.  

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
in short, those drugs are approved ultimately because there's money going into someone's  pocket somewhere. just look at the broken state of the american pharmaceutical industry, the companies are allowed to do whatever they want with their prices, even if that includes multiplying the cost of a life saving drug 30 fold. the entire political system revolves around money in the states, and that key flaw is driving the nation down.

Right, I believe the doctors are getting kickbacks for pushing drugs. They're worse than drug dealers, when more people die from prescription drugs than illegal ones. The doctors get money for pushing the drugs, and the drug companies get more money and they pay the doctors, and it's an endless circle that relies on one thing, people buying and actually taking the drugs.

I strongly believe if you can get off of drugs, and find a natural way to solve the problem, you'd be much better off.

It's in the doctors/drug companies best interest for you to not have your problem solved, but to rather keep coming back and buying more.
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See my thread:
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/subconscious-mind-and-why-politicians-tend-to-be-dumb-1205372

For a little dose of reality.  Sometimes shootings are the proper response.

Why are you such a violent anarchist? It seems like you want as much violence as possible, for whatever reason.  Shootings are never a proper response; because violence will be responded with more violence... you can't fight fire with fire.  In your thread you make it seem that drugs in general open the conscious mind.. whether you believe that, we are talking about pharmaceutical drugs and not psychoactive drugs like LSD or something like that what it seems you may be pointing too.

But seriously, what's with your admiration for violence all the time?
he is very, very edgy.
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See my thread:
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/subconscious-mind-and-why-politicians-tend-to-be-dumb-1205372

For a little dose of reality.  Sometimes shootings are the proper response.

Why are you such a violent anarchist? It seems like you want as much violence as possible, for whatever reason.  Shootings are never a proper response; because violence will be responded with more violence... you can't fight fire with fire.  In your thread you make it seem that drugs in general open the conscious mind.. whether you believe that, we are talking about pharmaceutical drugs and not psychoactive drugs like LSD or something like that what it seems you may be pointing too.

But seriously, what's with your admiration for violence all the time?
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See my thread:
 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/subconscious-mind-and-why-politicians-tend-to-be-dumb-1205372

For a little dose of reality.  Sometimes shootings are the proper response.
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat.  

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
in short, those drugs are approved ultimately because there's money going into someone's  pocket somewhere. just look at the broken state of the american pharmaceutical industry, the companies are allowed to do whatever they want with their prices, even if that includes multiplying the cost of a life saving drug 30 fold. the entire political system revolves around money in the states, and that key flaw is driving the nation down.
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat. 

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.

It's just crazy that the FDA approves these drugs when they can't necessarily say that any drug will totally help out a person going through a mental disorder.  I primarily smoked marijuana, which calmed me down and made me feel alright throughout the day, which obviously isn't FDA approved and not legal... that's why I had to stop, because I had to be approved for a background check for my job.

But it just so happened, when I stopped "prescribing myself" my daily doses of pot, my anxiety disorder came back.  So to help combat this, doctors prescribed my Zoloft, which made me feel literally insane; then they prescribed me a whole batch of combination of drugs which made me feel like a zombie... So I just quit taking all of them, and am about to go see the doctor again.  I'm just going to tell them that I've managed my anxiety through mind over matter techniques and to not make me start taking some other drug that's like the other ones I've taken.
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat. 

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.

Sorry you went through that.

One of the things they mention in the video about the military is the doctors don't even know how the pills are going to affect you. Everyone reacts differently, and all those horrible side effects they list happen to people or else they wouldn't be listed. I still find it totally bizarre that drugs for depression can cause suicide.

These are drugs that change your brain, that's why the word "psycho" is in the full word. They are literally playing around with people's brains and hoping for the best. You have to imagine some will go wrong, and sadly that means many people have died due to them and that's just the suicides. I believe people have died to them because of the mass shootings but it's a fact that people die because of these drugs, just how many is what's up for debate.
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I believe there is a huge relation to psychotropic drugs and mass shootings, and reason being is because I was put on many of them and hated myself on them so I kept not taking them and had to wait for the next doctors appointment so he could sign me up for me to jam another pill down my throat. 

I was classified "bipolar" but I knew that wasn't true... I just delved into a lot of psychoactive drugs when I was younger and it made me a little crazy.  I think if I hadn't seeked help, I would've probably done something bad to the extent of what these other guys did.
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.

If that was the case, then why do we have more shootings today than in the past?

More weapons, weaker and more selfish society and luck of good control and care about such people.

Well I do agree we have a much more selfish society these days. People aren't usually taught morals anymore either. But I honestly don't think it has anything to do with more weapons. As they had plenty of weapons in the past and people didn't use them for no good reason nearly as much back then.
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.

If that was the case, then why do we have more shootings today than in the past?

More weapons, weaker and more selfish society and luck of good control and care about such people.
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.

If that was the case, then why do we have more shootings today than in the past?
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I don't think that main cause of shootings and suicides are psychotropic drugs.
In my opinion, most of this people felt unaccepted, rejected by their communities, isolated etc.
Over time they developed feelings of resentment, hatred, anger and some of them become so resentful that they wanted to revenge everyone or kill themselves because they felt they are not worthy to live more.
It's very bad that nobody could help them in time.
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Yet another psych drug shooter: Oregon gunman Christopher Mercer was taking five types of medication, likely vaccine-damaged with autism spectrum disorder

"(NaturalNews) New information is now emerging about Christopher Mercer, the now-deceased shooter who recently killed and injured numerous victims at the Oregon community college (Umpqua Community College). While the mainstream media follows the predictable script of blaming guns for the violence, we now know that Mercer was almost certainly damaged by vaccines and medications, altering his mind and leading to the violent behavior that we see so often when psychiatric medications are involved.

We now know that Harper was possibly vaccine-damaged because he suffered from Asperger's syndrome, an autism spectrum disorder. As printed in The New York Times:

[Mercer's mother] opened up about her difficulties raising a son who used to bang his head against the wall, and said that both she and her son struggled with Asperger’s syndrome, an autism spectrum disorder...

In addition to talking about guns, Ms. Harper, 64, was a prolific commenter in online forums dealing with medical issues, frequently answering questions from strangers with a tone of empathy and concern. She expressed having expertise in autism, saying that both she and her son — whom she never identified by name — had Asperger’s syndrome.

Vaccines cause autism in young black men, admitted top CDC scientist
While the entire state-controlled media continue to deny any link between vaccines and autism, a top CDC scientist admitted last year to taking part in a massive science fraud cover-up to destroy evidence in the CDC's possession that linked vaccines to autism in African-American boys.

Christopher Mercer's mother is black and his father is white, making him a mixed race person with susceptibility to precisely the kind of autism risk described by CDC scientist Dr. William Thompson. Most people don't fully realize this because some in the media have gone to extraordinary lengths to try to paint Mercer as "white," even altering photographs of him to change his skin tone to a more whitish hue..."
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Would it be the drugs rhey are on or wouod it be the kids are already messed up.

I know Chantix or whatever its called I was on for a while.  Some of the side effects were change in mood or behavior,  thoughts of suicide, and homicidal tendancies.

So I am sure that if they were all on meds that it may have been a cause or a push or some sort of help to what they did.  I once took ridallin and ill tell ya love it.   Focus and motivated all in one.  Had all my work done in 4 hours instead of 8.  Spent all the rest of the day trying to find something to do.

People obviously go to doctors or psychiatrists because they have issues, but I think people are depending on drugs too much. If you watch the documentary in the first post, it seems that the military is really prescribing way too much for sure. The psychiatrists should be doing checkups to see if there are any psychical causes of the illness first (they don't) before prescribing meds.

People should probably try to eat healthier, and try holistic treatments first, and have counseling sessions if they're having psychological issues, and then if those don't work see about medicating. There just seems to be a jump to prescriptions that happens too quickly these days.
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Would it be the drugs rhey are on or wouod it be the kids are already messed up.

I know Chantix or whatever its called I was on for a while.  Some of the side effects were change in mood or behavior,  thoughts of suicide, and homicidal tendancies.

So I am sure thatbif theybwere all on meds that it may have been a cause or a push or some sort of help to what they did.  I once took ridallin and ill tell ya love it.   Focus and motivated all in one.  Had all my work done in 4 hours instead of 8.  Spent all the rest of the day trying to find something to do.
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I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.

The government is trying to control the population, scaring them saying there's too many shootings so we need to ban guns, so they can control us more when people give them up. However, I think it's sad, that most people are blaming the wrong thing, (the guns) instead of looking at curing the problem in this country.
But if religion is passe as the opiate of the people, what the hell is your problem with opiate being the opiate of the people?

Plus guns make a loud bang.  And those black rifles are scary.  Because they're black.

What's wrong with psychotropic drugs? I thought all the killings listed in the first post was a good start....
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I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.

The government is trying to control the population, scaring them saying there's too many shootings so we need to ban guns, so they can control us more when people give them up. However, I think it's sad, that most people are blaming the wrong thing, (the guns) instead of looking at curing the problem in this country.
But if religion is passe as the opiate of the people, what the hell is your problem with opiate being the opiate of the people?

Plus guns make a loud bang.  And those black rifles are scary.  Because they're black.
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I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.

The government is trying to control the population, scaring them saying there's too many shootings so we need to ban guns, so they can control us more when people give them up. However, I think it's sad, that most people are blaming the wrong thing, (the guns) instead of looking at curing the problem in this country.
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I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally. ...
Because it is about control.
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Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

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Well, yes.

Reminds me of the line from Seinfeld: "I'm a holistic healer. It's a calling, it's a gift. You see, it's in the best interest of the medical profession that you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer."

Just face up to it and say it.  You are fighting the pharmaceutical industries, the insurance companies that skim off the top, the politicians of both parties who are paid off and influenced by the lobbyists, and other financially interested business segments.



I can't fight them personally. But it seems to me that when most of these killings show up, they're on these psychotropic drugs, it's worth looking into prescribing less drugs and seeing if the rage in our population dies down rather than taking the guns of people who pass background checks and do things legally.

People ask why it's getting worse? We're prescribing more and more as a country. Every single one has a side effect of some sort, and then people get prescribed more to counter the side effects which can lead to interaction problems (not to mention the problem of not knowing which medicine is causing the new problems).

The doctors get benefits from the drug companies, and make more by prescribing more. This is not in the best interest of the population.

Death from Prescription Drugs: The New Epidemic Sweeping Across America - From 2011

"Death by medicine is a 21st-century epidemic, and America's "war on drugs" is clearly directed at the wrong enemy!

    Prescription drugs are now killing far more people than illegal drugs, and while most major causes of preventable deaths are declining, those from prescription drug use are increasing, an analysis of recently released data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) by the Los Angeles Times revealed.

    The Times analysis of 2009 death statistics, the most recent available, showed:

        For the first time ever in the US, more people were killed by drugs than motor vehicle accidents
        37,485 people died from drugs, a rate fueled by overdoses on prescription pain and anxiety medications, versus 36,284 from traffic accidents
        Drug fatalities more than doubled among teens and young adults between 2000 and 2008, and more than tripled among people aged 50 to 69

    Again, these drug-induced fatalities are not being driven by illegal street drugs; the analysis found that the most commonly abused prescription drugs like OxyContin, Vicodin, Xanax and Soma now cause more deaths than heroin and cocaine combined..........(continued on page)"
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Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

 Cool


Well, yes.

Reminds me of the line from Seinfeld: "I'm a holistic healer. It's a calling, it's a gift. You see, it's in the best interest of the medical profession that you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer."

Just face up to it and say it.  You are fighting the pharmaceutical industries, the insurance companies that skim off the top, the politicians of both parties who are paid off and influenced by the lobbyists, and other financially interested business segments.

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Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

 Cool


Well, yes.

Reminds me of the line from Seinfeld: "I'm a holistic healer. It's a calling, it's a gift. You see, it's in the best interest of the medical profession that you remain sick. You see, that insures good business. You're not a patient. You're a customer."
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minds.com/Wilikon

Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.

Don't you mean "the client"?

 Cool


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Yeah, great thread. It's pretty sick that people want to ban guns, but not anti-psychotropic drugs....

Our holistic doctors are dying like crazy, people are blaming vaccines for multiple side effects, even if people don't believe the conspiracy theories about it, the side effects are quit public. Pushing these things on people without really discussing the consequences leads people to start thinking that the doctors are really in it for the money. If they're in it for the money, they're not in it for the patient.
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Watching that video now, thanks.

Also watch this if you can, I have seen it earlier American Addict unveils how America has gone from the land of the free to the land of the addicted

Check the schedule page to see if its available in your time zone.

Edit to add

I have seen that docu the Hidden Enemy, last year or so.
I would hazard a guess it is still going on, even from those days of Vietnam, the soldiers were allowed to get high.

It looks like American Addict is on in about 20 minutes from now. I'll check it out.

Edit: It said it was on, but they played news instead.
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Soon, I have to go away.
Watching that video now, thanks.

Also watch this if you can, I have seen it earlier American Addict unveils how America has gone from the land of the free to the land of the addicted

Check the schedule page to see if its available in your time zone.

Edit to add

I have seen that docu the Hidden Enemy, last year or so.
I would hazard a guess it is still going on, even from those days of Vietnam, the soldiers were allowed to get high.
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I was just watching this documentary: Psychiatry in the Military: The Hidden Enemy—Full Documentary, and was just frustrated that people just take drugs without really thinking about what's in them and the side effects. Because side effects do kill from time to time.

Why is it whenever someone goes on a shooting rampage people want to ban guns instead of look into the actual causes of the shooting? It's the same for medical practitioners giving meds to get rid of the symptoms but not looking to cure the cause.

Every Mass Shooting Shares One Thing In Common & It’s NOT Weapons

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On to the list of mass shooters and the stark link to psychotropic drugs.

    Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

    Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

    Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

    Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

    Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

    Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

    Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

    Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

    A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

    Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

    A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

    Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

    TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

    Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

    James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

    Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

    Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

    Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

    Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

    Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic’s file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

    Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

    Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

    Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

    Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

    Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family’s Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

    Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara’s parents said “…. the damn doctor wouldn’t take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil…”)

    Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
    (Gareth’s father could not accept his son’s death and killed himself.)

    Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family’s detached garage.

    Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

    Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

    Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

    A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

    Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

    Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

    Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

    Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.

    Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

    Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his New York high school.

Missing from list… 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds….

    What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21…… killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az
    What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24….. killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado
    What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or
    What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
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